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« on: January 24, 2012, 08:00:52 AM »

Thoughts?



http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-paul-made-south-was-right-civil-war-speech-with-confederate-flag/

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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2012, 09:06:43 AM »


My thoughts are that the idiot that wrote the tripe in the blog obviously either didn't even listen to what Dr. Paul said, or is merely attempting to peddle bullshit to people.

Dr. Paul is right.  The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about state's rights and liberty.  It was indeed a war of northern aggression... against liberty.

These commie douchebags want to reduce the discussion to slavery because that's the only aspect that gives them ammunition against him.  One would hope that most people are smarter than that.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2012, 09:29:42 AM »

in more honest terms, it was seemingly about the liberty of white/caucasians, which the south was rightfully defending, versus the liberty of the blacks/negroids, which was championed by the northerners. And each side saw their own struggle for liberty as more important than the other's. Why is there some kind of weird consensus about the use of the word liberty in this context as if only one group of ppl is more deserving of it than another as a natural, god-given, inalienable right??
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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2012, 09:36:05 AM »

Of all the people who wax hysterical whenever it's suggested that slavery -- although perhaps a secondary cause of the Civil War -- was nevertheless not the primary cause, how many have actually read Abraham Lincoln's first inaugural address?

       http://historicaltextarchive.com/sections.php?action=read&artid=580

If my hunch is correct, none of them have.

Fast forward to 2:15 of the following clip and learn about what the compulsory school system refuses to teach regarding the Civil War:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EltFWWSf5x4 (The Money Masters - part 8 of 22)
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 10:07:08 AM »

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly,
 to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists.

I believe I have no lawful right to do so,
 and I have no inclination to do so."


Guess Who said that . . . .
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2012, 10:31:26 AM »

Reading Br. Lincoln's speech, you can get a glimpse of what the mindset was at that time. I mean, how disgusting! That's exactly the mindset that our NWO masters have regarding the rest of humanity. They talked abt ppl's lives and labor like they're cattle, not giving the least consideration to their emotions and humanity. Plus when know about the slavery manuals, its sheer scale, the inhuman treatment..this is like, dare i say it, worse than Israelis' view and treatment of palestinian arabs, i.e. institutionalized barbarism against ppl of another race. Sure, the Israelis are nice to their own kind, as are nwo types we're supposedly against, but somehow we have to orwellize our thinking process in order to see things 'properly' and be biased in favor of a particular ppl's fight for liberty, while these very ppl are inflicting worse treatments to another group of ppl? How are we supposed to favor the cause of the whites and side with the 'south', unless we wear our orwellian tin foil doublethink hats??
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2012, 10:41:54 AM »

Reading Br. Lincoln's speech, you can get a glimpse of what the mindset was at that time. I mean, how disgusting! That's exactly the mindset that our NWO masters have regarding the rest of humanity. They talked abt ppl's lives and labor like they're cattle, not giving the least consideration to their emotions and humanity. Plus when know about the slavery manuals, its sheer scale, the inhuman treatment..this is like, dare i say it, worse than Israelis' view and treatment of palestinian arabs, i.e. institutionalized barbarism against ppl of another race. Sure, the Israelis are nice to their own kind, as are nwo types we're supposedly against, but somehow we have to orwellize our thinking process in order to see things 'properly' and be biased in favor of a particular ppl's fight for liberty, while these very ppl are inflicting worse treatments to another group of ppl? How are we supposed to favor the cause of the whites and side with the 'south', unless we wear our orwellian tin foil doublethink hats??

What you fail to grasp, is that even if the south had abolished slavery, they, the money masters, would still have wanted the civil war.

And, if your still gonna obsess about the abolition of slavery as the single issue, consider that the British Abolished Slavery in about 1833 . . .
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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2012, 10:56:13 AM »

..and i'm pretty sure that the 'states' rights' the south wanted was so they could go crazy and boost the cattle slave trade, so they can create more weath in a free market, and live freely with 'unsuppressed' foreign slave trade and re-inducting those who dared to run away and reclaim their freedom and humanity, so that they can enjoy their private property rights fully with  all the slave labor they want.. One must be the definition of hypocrisy to support any group of ppl who think so high of themselves and so low of others. Maybe what the south really deserved was a taste of their own medicine more than any other pursuits, including liberty, as an expiation of their sins.
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 10:58:46 AM »

How are we supposed to favor the cause of the whites and side with the 'south', unless we wear our orwellian tin foil doublethink hats??

I think you're confusing two different issues.

As I understand it, Ron Paul is being demonized for saying that slavery was not the primary cause of the Civil War. On that particular question, Dr. Paul is right and his reactionary critics are wrong.

As to the question of whether slavery itself was right or wrong, here again, Ron Paul makes it clear in the above speech that he's on the side of abolitionist Lysander Spooner -- and hence not on the side of the Southern plantation owners whom Spooner rightly despised.

For those unfamiliar with Lysander Spooner, you may find the following excerpt of interest:

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http://lysanderspooner.org/node/59

In process of time, the robber, or slaveholding, class -- who had seized all the lands, and held all the means of creating wealth -- began to discover that the easiest mode of managing their slaves, and making them profitable, was not for each slaveholder to hold his specified number of slaves, as he had done before, and as he would hold so many cattle, but to give them so much liberty as would throw upon themselves (the slaves) the responsibility of their own subsistence, and yet compel them to sell their labor to the land-holding class -- their former owners -- for just what the latter might choose to give them.

Of course, these liberated slaves, as some have erroneously called them, having no lands, or other property, and no means of obtaining an independent subsistence, had no alternative -- to save themselves from starvation -- but to sell their labor to the landholders, in exchange only for the coarsest necessaries of life; not always for so much even as that.

These liberated slaves, as they were called, were now scarcely less slaves than they were before. Their means of subsistence were perhaps even more precarious than when each had his own owner, who had an interest to preserve his life. They were liable, at the caprice or interest of the landholders, to be thrown out of home, employment, and the opportunity of even earning a subsistence by their labor. They were, therefore, in large numbers, driven to the necessity of begging, stealing, or starving; and became, of course, dangerous to the property and quiet of their late masters.

The consequence was, that these late owners found it necessary, for their own safety and the safety of their property, to organize themselves more perfectly as a government and make laws for keeping these dangerous people in subjection; that is, laws fixing the prices at which they should be compelled to labor, and also prescribing fearful punishments, even death itself, for such thefts and tresspasses as they were driven to commit, as their only means of saving themselves from starvation.

These laws have continued in force for hundreds, and, in some countries, for thousands of years; and are in force today, in greater or less severity, in nearly all the countries on the globe.

The purpose and effect of these laws have been to maintain, in the hands of the robber, or slave holding class, a monopoly of all lands, and, as far as possible, of all other means of creating wealth; and thus to keep the great body of laborers in such a state of poverty and dependence, as would compel them to sell their labor to their tyrants for the lowest prices at which life could be sustained.

The result of all this is, that the little wealth there is in the world is all in the hands of a few -- that is, in the hands of the law-making, slave-holding class; who are now as much slaveholders in spirit as they ever were, but who accomplish their purposes by means of the laws they make for keeping the laborers in subjection and dependence, instead of each one's owning his individual slaves as so many chattels.

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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2012, 11:15:45 AM »

Proof: Corwin Amendment.
http://www.house.gov/house/Amendnotrat.shtml

The following amendment to the Constitution relating to slavery was proposed by the 2d session of the Thirty-sixth Congress on March 2, 1861, when it passed the Senate, having previously passed the House on February 28, 1861. It is interesting to note in this connection that this is the only proposed (and not ratified) amendment to the Constitution to have been signed by the President. The President's signature is considered unnecessary because of the constitutional provision that on the concurrence of two-thirds of both Houses of Congress the proposal shall be submitted to the States for ratification.

Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the following article be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which, when ratified by three-fourths of said Legislatures, shall be valid, to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution, viz:

"Article Thirteen" -(Corwin Amendment)

"No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State."




On March 16, 1861 Abraham Lincoln sent letters to all Governors, even to the Governors in the seceded States, in urging passage of the Corwin Amendment. There is no way it could have been about slavery when the federal government & two Presidents were actively attempting to institutionalize slavery by Constitutional Amendment.

It really is that simple.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2012, 11:32:53 AM »

what if we, today, as part of trying to totally disentangle our minds from the wicked and conflicting ideas upheld by those in the past, and as part of an impartial, revisionist effort, decide to make slavery the central issue, regardless of whether it was to the north or not? Otherwise, we will be forced to doubkethink each time we visit this demonic era of history. (oh yes, Alex Color Blind Jones can use this language to describe his ordeal with the nwo., surely it can be used to desctibe worse plights, only the ones on the receiving end of this diabolical enslavement and dehumanization process are negroes )
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2012, 11:58:53 AM »

what if we, today, as part of trying to totally disentangle our minds from the wicked and conflicting ideas upheld by those in the past, and as part of an impartial, revisionist effort, decide to make slavery the central issue, regardless of whether it was to the north or not? Otherwise, we will be forced to doubkethink each time we visit this demonic era of history.

Are saying Ron Paul is wrong for acknowledging that slavery was not the primary cause of the Civil War?

Are you saying he's wrong for siding with abolitionist Lysander Spooner on the question of whether slavery itself was right or wrong?

If the answer to both questions is "no," then what exactly are you complaining about?

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(oh yes, Alex Color Blind Jones can use this language to describe his ordeal with the nwo., surely it can be used to desctibe worse plights, only the ones on the receiving end of this diabolical enslavement and dehumanization process are negroes)

Oh gee, you're right, only someone who's not "color blind" would say the following:

    "You go back hundreds of years to sharecroppers. Economically, many historians wrote that...they were worse off than black slaves here in the U.S. Because the slave was supposedly property, you wanted to keep them alive. Sharecroppers died of malnutrition many times in bad years. And they had to sign a contract to buy their clothes, their sugar, their flour -- everything -- from the company store. You've heard the song, 'I owe my soul to the company store.' When the blacks got supposedly 'free' after the Civil War, many of them just became the lowest rung of the sharecroppers. Most Americans have ancestors who came over here as white slaves. Oh, it was only a seven-year indentured servitude, but you generally never got off of the plantation. But, oh, don't worry, poor whites still enjoyed looking down on blacks. It's all about a snobbery: 'Oh, at least I get to look down on somebody.' And that's why only around 2% of whites in the colonies -- then later in the North and the South -- actually owned slaves, but over 90% (in surveys that were done at the time) of poor whites supported it early on...because they got to look down on somebody. And it wouldn't even matter if the black slave going and picking something up in town for the master was even healthier and had a little bit more fat on their belly than the sharecropper wearing rags, he could still order the black around. And, again, this is all what you see at the country clubs, and what you see in cliques in schools -- humans love tribal hierarchies. And the TSA and the government system and the corporate system gives them all these little power-tripping hierarchies to feed on people and to perch on top of them and control them."



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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2012, 12:57:57 PM »

the problem with aj is that he does have his moments of lucidity as ur last post proves, but his coverage of these evil men who did do good work for the benefit of their own kind, is biased to the point of raising them to the status of little demigods. Any person with a high IQ could write up some contractual document that is fair to both parties. With great foresight and acuity and years of experience in dealing with other tyrannical systems, there is bound to be minds that think of ways to frame a better, fairer system of government for their own kind to the exclusion of others. This clear, unmistakable, premeditated wickedness has to be exposed for what it is, a criminal enterprise enshrined in a document that was respecting only of the rights of the perpetrators of this massive, multi-generational genocidal enterprise. I think most whites today, finding themselves on the road to that same plight, and because of the oppressed ppl having rebelled and reclaimed their dignity, are not as deeply racist, or even truly color blind, as those criminals that dehumanized so many millions, while at the same time writing and reflecting abt every little detail as to how to secure the best deals of free existence to be used as a special social contract among the criminal group (criminals..terms used by aj to describe his oppressors and would-be slave masters)
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2012, 01:15:59 PM »


the problem with aj is that he does have his moments of lucidity as ur last post proves, but his coverage of these evil men who did do good work for the benefit of their own kind, is biased to the point of raising them to the status of little demigods. Any person with a high IQ could write up some contractual document that is fair to both parties. With great foresight and acuity and years of experience in dealing with other tyrannical systems, there is bound to be minds that think of ways to frame a better, fairer system of government for their own kind to the exclusion of others. This clear, unmistakable, premeditated wickedness has to be exposed for what it is, a criminal enterprise enshrined in a document that was respecting only of the rights of the perpetrators of this massive, multi-generational genocidal enterprise. I think most whites today, finding themselves on the road to that same plight, and because of the oppressed ppl having rebelled and reclaimed their dignity, are not as deeply racist, or even truly color blind, as those criminals that dehumanized so many millions, while at the same time writing and reflecting abt every little detail as to how to secure the best deals of free existence to be used as a special social contract among the criminal group (criminals..terms used by aj to describe his oppressors and would-be slave masters)


So, basically since the Framers only took us 170degrees of what the history of mankind considered "normal" and "righteous" beforehand makes the entire experiment that is America a greedy white man playground.

Sure, that makes sense.  I'd say they gained a lot of ground in a very short amount of time (relatively speaking).  The fact that the People couldn't take it that last 10degrees and instead allowed others to regress this beacon of liberty to a more "traditional" plantation (albeit on a larger scale) is obviously the Constitution's fault.
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2012, 01:25:05 PM »

the problem with aj is that he does have his moments of lucidity as ur last post proves, but his coverage of these evil men who did do good work for the benefit of their own kind, is biased to the point of raising them to the status of little demigods.

No, the "problem" is that your priorities are so ridiculously out of wack that you'd rather spend all day long hurling veiled accusations of "racism" against anyone who praises instead of demonizes the Founding Fathers than assist Alex in spreading the word about the literal war being waged by the ruling class against all of us.

Do you realize or even care that, in doing so, you're actually helping the very plutocrats you profess to oppose?

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"Fairly simple thing; happens to work.

"You know, anything different, that’s what they’re gonna talk about: race, religion, ethic and national backgrounds, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality -- anything they can do [to] keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank."


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Oh, of course not, but because they're "white," they're still "racist," nonetheless.

You're so busy waxing self-righteous about how non-racist you are, you don't even realize when you're making racist statements yourself.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2012, 01:47:27 PM »

"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly,
 to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists.

I believe I have no lawful right to do so,
 and I have no inclination to do so."


Guess Who said that . . . .


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The political left in America has apparently decided that American history must be rewritten so that it can be used in the political campaign for reparations for slavery. Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr., of Chicago inserted language in a Department of Interior appropriations bill for 2000 that instructed the National Park Service to propagandize about slavery as the sole cause of the war at all Civil War park sites. The Marxist historian Eric Foner has joined forces with Jackson and will assist the National Park Service in its efforts at rewriting history so that it better serves the political agenda of the far left. Congressman Jackson has candidly described this whole effort as "a down payment on reparations." (Foner ought to be quite familiar with the "art" of rewriting politically-correct history. He was the chairman of the committee at Columbia University that awarded the "prestigious" Bancroft Prize in history to Emory University's Michael A. Bellesiles, author of the anti-Second Amendment book, "Arming America," that turned out to be fraudulent. Bellesiles was forced to resign from Emory and his publisher has ceased publishing the book.)

In order to accommodate the political agenda of the far left, the National Park Service will be required in effect to teach visitors to the national parks that Abraham Lincoln was a liar. Neither Lincoln nor the US Congress at the time ever said that slavery was a cause — let alone the sole cause — of their invasion of the Southern states in 1861. Both Lincoln and the Congress made it perfectly clear to the whole world that they would do all they could to protect Southern slavery as long as the secession movement could be defeated.

On March 2, 1861, the U.S. Senate passed a proposed Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution (which passed the House of Representatives on February 28) that would have prohibited the federal government from ever interfering with slavery in the Southern states. (See U.S. House of Representatives, 106th Congress, 2nd Session, The Constitution of the United States of America: Unratified Amendments, Document No. 106-214, presented by Congressman Henry Hyde (Washington, D.C. U.S. Government Printing Office, January 31, 2000). The proposed amendment read as follows:

ARTICLE THIRTEEN

No amendment shall be made to the Constitution which will authorize or give to Congress the power to abolish or interfere, within any State, with the domestic institutions thereof, including that of persons held to labor or service by the laws of said State.

Two days later, in his First Inaugural Address, Abraham Lincoln promised to support the amendment even though he believed that the Constitution already prohibited the federal government from interfering with Southern slavery. As he stated:

I understand a proposed amendment to the Constitution . . . has passed Congress, to the effect that the Federal Government shall never interfere with the domestic institutions of the States, including that of persons held to service. To avoid misconstruction of what I have said, I depart from my purpose, not to speak of particular amendments, so far as to say that, holding such a provision to now be implied constitutional law, I have no objection to its being made express and irrevocable (emphasis added).

This of course was consistent with one of the opening statements of the First Inaugural, where Lincoln quoted himself as saying: "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."

That's what Lincoln said his invasion of the Southern states was not about. In an August 22, 1862, letter to New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley he explained to the world what the war was about:

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union.

Of course, many Americans at the time, North and South, believed that a military invasion of the Southern states would destroy the union by destroying its voluntary nature. To Lincoln, "saving the Union" meant destroying the secession movement and with it the Jeffersonian political tradition of states' rights as a check on the tyrannical proclivities of the central government. His war might have "saved" the union geographically, but it destroyed it philosophically as the country became a consolidated empire as opposed to a constitutional republic of sovereign states.

On July 22, 1861, the US Congress issued a "Joint Resolution on the War" that echoed Lincoln's reasons for the invasion of the Southern states:

Resolved: . . . That this war is not being prosecuted upon our part in any spirit of oppression, nor for any purpose of conquest or subjugation, nor purpose of overthrowing or interfering with the rights or established institutions of those states, but to defend and maintain the supremacy of the Constitution and all laws made in pursuance thereof and to preserve the Union, with all the dignity, equality and rights of the several states unimpaired; and that as soon as these objects are accomplished the war ought to cease.

By "the established institutions of those states" the Congress was referring to slavery. As with Lincoln, destroying the secession movement took precedence over doing anything about slavery.

On March 2, 1861 — the same day the "first Thirteenth Amendment" passed the U.S. Senate — another constitutional amendment was proposed that would have outlawed secession (See H. Newcomb Morse, "The Foundations and Meaning of Secession," Stetson Law Review, vol. 15, 1986, pp. 419—36). This is very telling, for it proves that Congress believed that secession was in fact constitutional under the Tenth Amendment. It would not have proposed an amendment outlawing secession if the Constitution already prohibited it.

Nor would the Republican Party, which enjoyed a political monopoly after the war, have insisted that the Southern states rewrite their state constitutions to outlaw secession as a condition of being readmitted to the Union. If secession was really unconstitutional there would have been no need to do so.

These facts will never be presented by the National Park Service or by the Lincoln cultists at the Claremont Institute, the Declaration Foundation, and elsewhere. This latter group consists of people who have spent their careers spreading lies about Lincoln and his war in order to support the political agenda of the Republican Party. They are not about to let the truth stand in their way and are hard at work producing "educational" materials that are filled with false but politically correct history.

For a very different discussion of Lincoln and his legacy that is based on fact rather than fantasy, attend the LewRockwell.com "Lincoln Reconsidered" conference at the John Marshall Hotel in Richmond, Virginia on March 22.

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Spot on, as they say!  Wink
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 04:01:16 PM »

If the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, why did slavery hold such a prominent place in the Confederate Constitution?   http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

“(3) No slave or other person held to service or labor in any State or Territory of the Confederate States, under the laws thereof, escaping or lawfully carried into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor; but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such slave belongs,. or to whom such service or labor may be due.
(3) The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several Sates; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate State”.
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The Georgia Declaration of Secession also mentions slavery as a cause.
http://www.civil-war.net/pages/georgia_declaration.asp

“The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees in its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers.
 
With these principles on their banners and these utterances on their lips the majority of the people of the North demand that we shall receive them as our rulers.
 
The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.”.

As does the Texas Declaration of Secession
http://www.civil-war.net/pages/texas_declaration.asp

“In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color - a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States”.

And also the South Carolina Declaration of Secession
http://www.civil-war.net/pages/southcarolina_declaration.asp

“The ends for which the Constitution was framed are declared by itself to be "to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity."
These ends it endeavored to accomplish by a Federal Government, in which each State was recognized as an equal, and had separate control over its own institutions. The right of property in slaves was recognized by giving to free persons distinct political rights, by giving them the right to represent, and burthening them with direct taxes for three-fifths of their slaves; by authorizing the importation of slaves for twenty years; and by stipulating for the rendition of fugitives from labor.”.

The only State’s Right the South was willing to fight for was the right to remain a slave holding-state.   This is clear from the Confederate Constitution and the secession documents of the states that joined the Confederacy.
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2012, 04:29:51 PM »

If the Civil War wasn’t about slavery, why did slavery hold such a prominent place in the Confederate Constitution?   http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp

This is precisely what makes this a false "all-or-nothing" debate.

Intellectual gatekeepers from the foundation-funded "Left" have managed to convince millions of people that the only alternative to believing that the Civil War had everything to do with slavery is to believe it had nothing to do with slavery.

In reality, slavery was neither the sole causative factor NOR a non-causative factor.

As is explained in the clip from The Money Masters I posted earlier (and which few if any bothered to watch), slavery was "a" cause, but not the "primary" cause.

Those who insist otherwise are in either blissful ignorance of, or willful denial about, what Lincoln himself had to say on the matter in his first inaugural address.
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OMG OMG OMG!! This is sooooo disgustingly, blatantly evil. By evil, evil men, and in southern states, entirely evil, depraved, immoral, amoral, abjectly vile people. DON'T ever count on the liked of RP or AJ to publish these dark ideological perversions of their demigods. No no no. Let's keep this buried in the archives, and let's lie by omission and create a false reality in ppl's as to who these ppl really were.. Omg, this is such a disgrace that such manipulation of history in favor of certain factions of the criminal elite passes off as truth activism. Meanwhile, other criminals with the exact same mindset, only that it includes whites as part of their genocidal enterprise, which makes it instantly so evil, that all their quotes abt how they consider 'us' as slaves are dug out of archives and made public. Why? Isn't it time to call out the whole gang of racial supremacists and put them in their right place in history? Should we sing the praises of s.o., regardless of what time in history they lived, and regardless of how many lives they have affected positively, at the expense of so many other human lives, by committing such massive, unspeakably horrible crimes against humanity? Well, the liked of Genghis Khan don't deserve such a bad name after all, because they have surely benefited a lot of their own..and to hear aj making lame excuses like 'they weren't perfect, buy they are among the best in history'. This is kookoo level of whitewashing, from the perspective of millions of enslaved dehumanized humans.
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2012, 05:05:34 PM »

The North didn't enter the war over slavery, but it was slavery that caused the South to start the war.
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2012, 05:13:44 PM »

OMG OMG OMG!! This is sooooo disgustingly, blatantly evil. By evil, evil men, and in southern states, entirely evil, depraved, immoral, amoral, abjectly vile people. DON'T ever count on the liked of RP or AJ to publish these dark ideological perversions of their demigods. No no no. Let's keep this buried in the archives, and let's lie by omission and create a false reality in ppl's as to who these ppl really were.. Omg, this is such a disgrace that such manipulation of history in favor of certain factions of the criminal elite passes off as truth activism. Meanwhile, other criminals with the exact same mindset, only that it includes whites as part of their genocidal enterprise, which makes it instantly so evil, that all their quotes abt how they consider 'us' as slaves are dug out of archives and made public. Why? Isn't it time to call out the whole gang of racial supremacists and put them in their right place in history? Should we sing the praises of s.o., regardless of what time in history they lived, and regardless of how many lives they have affected positively, at the expense of so many other human lives, by committing such massive, unspeakably horrible crimes against humanity? Well, the liked of Genghis Khan don't deserve such a bad name after all, because they have surely benefited a lot of their own..and to hear aj making lame excuses like 'they weren't perfect, buy they are among the best in history'. This is kookoo level of whitewashing, from the perspective of millions of enslaved dehumanized humans.

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I'm curious, it being an element of my nature.  If slavery wasn't the primary cause of the war, what was?
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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2012, 05:17:19 PM »

I realize that most of the individuals who frequent this forum are either "conservatives" or Austrian School "libertarians" who, as such, don't have to be told that there are certain "liberals" and "progressives" who don't necessarily have their best interests in mind.

Nevertheless, I assume at least some of the many hundreds of "guests" here are left-leaning independents and relative newcomers to the world of politics. It is primarily to them that I address the following.

If Ralph Nader is a classic example of a true and sincere liberal who, as such, is genuinely concerned with eliminating poverty, Barack Obama is a classic example of both (a) a smug, manipulative, insincere “limousine liberal” and (b) a foundation-funded “poverty pimp” whose only real concern is with protecting the vested interests of the ruling-class oligarchs pulling his strings, while fooling his gullible followers with carefully crafted, euphemism-laced rhetoric into believing all the while that he’s serving their interests.

With particular regard to elite “foundations,” it seems that most people are woefully unaware of the alarming extent to which these supposedly “benevolent” institutions have shaped the horribly and increasingly dysfunctional social and political realities that have grown up around us in recent decades.

It is thus my hope that the following excerpts from Chapter 2 of Webster Tarpley’s book, Barack H. Obama: The Unauthorized Biography, will help spark a dramatic reduction in this acute lack of mass awareness.

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OBAMA’S WORLD: THE FOUNDATIONS

We have already seen Obama in his role as a community organizer for the Gamaliel foundation. We must stress that Obama’s role as a foundation operative begins here, but certainly does not end when he goes off to law school. No indeed: the vocation of being a foundation operative constitutes Obama’s family business. His mother was a Ford Foundation operative, and most of the jobs Obama has ever held were with foundations. When it came time for Obama to start going to church, he unfailingly chose a congregation where Ford Foundation race theory is projected onto the plane of heaven and eternity in the form of the provocateur religion of Black liberation theology.

Before we go any further with Obama's own story, it will be useful to offer an overview of the strategic orientation of US foundation operations during this timeframe. Foundations represent an extremely important part of the social control mechanisms which prevail today in the United States.

The foundations are all the more effective in their chosen work of social control, engineering and political manipulation because many people are simply unaware of the immense scale of their operations, even though every broadcast on public television or National Public Radio is always accompanied by a litany of the foundations which have financed that program. One way to understand the pervasive influence of foundations is to say that they are as omnipresent in this country today as the CIA and the FBI were during the Cold War. This is partly because many intelligence community operations of the 1950s, 60s, and 70s have morphed into foundations under the auspices of President Reagan’s Executive Order 12333, which privatized many of the existing spook activities. Many naïve people still think of foundations as being humanitarian or charitable institutions concerned with education, health, and the improvement of the human condition. Nothing could be further from the truth. Like Henry Ford himself, the Pew family and many other oligarchical clans whose family fortunes have been transformed into foundations harbored fascist sympathies during the 1920s and 1930s. Today, they are overwhelmingly multicultural, politically correct, Malthusian, and neo-Luddite in their ideology. They hate science and technology because these are seen as avenues of upward social mobility for the lower orders, and as a threat to continued financier domination. Perhaps more than any other agency, the foundations have engaged in the strangulation and perversion of the American spirit over these past four decades in particular.

The late Christopher Lasch, in his classic study The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy (New York: Norton, 1995), notes the important role of class prejudice in forming elite attitudes in this country today. He describes how well-to-do liberals, when confronted with resistance to their ideas of social engineering, “betray the venomous hatred that lies not far beneath the smiling face of upper-middle-class benevolence,” and turn on those who “just don’t get it” (Lasch, 28). The result is an academic culture which appears to be contemptuous of the human potential of vast strata of the American population. This is the kind of mentality which we can see in Obama's infamous San Francisco “Bittergate” rant. This is a condensed version of the elitist and left authoritarian mental world of the pro-oligarchical foundation bureaucrats. In order to understand Obama's mentality and the decisions he might make as the head of the future regime, we are therefore obliged to review some critical points about the recent historical record of the Ford Foundation and its satellites.

Most discussions of Obama's career as what he calls a “community organizer” are crippled by a total lack of historical background on the Ford Foundation and its satellites, and further by any comprehension of the goals of foundation-funded social engineering. Because Obama is so totally a product of the Ford Foundation and the foundation world of which it is the center, we will have to repeat several times in this volume that the main purpose of these foundations by the latter half of the 20th century was to exercise social control, so as to perpetuate the uncontested political domination of Wall Street financial interests over the legitimate aspirations of the various ethnic groups, economic strata, and other components of the American population.

The watchword of the Ford Foundation is Divide and Conquer. The goal of its projects is always to play one group in the population against some other group so as to create conflict, strife, and division, so that the Wall Street interests can emerge unscathed and triumph. The individual foundation grant officers involved in this process may well be motivated by some hallucination of Marxism, multiculturalism, or political correctness, but it is not these values which the foundations finally serve: their goal is to disrupt and abort the emergence of anything approaching a politically conscious united front of the American people capable of demanding radical economic reforms, and especially to ward off a revival of the New Deal, new political formations based on economic populism, a Marshall Plan for the cities, including the urban ethnic minority populations, and so forth.

POVERTY PIMPS FOR THE FOUNDATIONS

When Obama says that he was a community organizer, it would be far more accurate to say that he was a poverty pimp for the Ford Foundation network, a paid race-monger whose job it was to organize politically naïve and desperate groups on the south side of Chicago into corporatist, dead-end, fragmented, parochial projects from which they would derive little or no benefit, and the goal of which was simply to use up enough of their lives in futility until they dropped out altogether in despair. The only exception to this was the use of these community control or local control or community action advocacy groups as political pawns against certain state and local political factions, or as battering rams against other groups of working people, above all trade unions made up of municipal employees, especially teachers. This is where Obama learned to support “merit pay” as a weapon against teachers unions.

In order to understand the foundation world, it is necessary to recall that these foundations generally represent the family fortunes of industrialists and businessmen of the 19th and early 20th centuries -- the robber barons -- which have been placed into tax-free status as charitable trusts, all the while perpetuating the urge for power of their founders. The foundations represent family fortunes or fondi which have attained a kind of oligarchical immortality by transcending the mere biological existence of the individuals and families who created them, and becoming permanent institutions destined to endure indefinitely.

These foundations once upon a time had to maintain some credibility by funding hospitals, universities, libraries, scientific research, and other projects which often had genuine social utility. Shortly after the Second World War, there began a trend towards social engineering and social action on the part of the foundations. The leader in this was the Ford Foundation, which, because it was the largest and wealthiest of the US foundations, quickly became the flagship and opinion leader for the other foundations. Foundation officers represent the very essence of the financier oligarch mentality, and one result of this is that they generally all do the same thing at the same time in their respective fields of specialization. Because of this, control over the Ford Foundation represents a social control mechanism of great strength, which has been a decisive force in shaping the decline of US society and national life, especially over the last 40 years.

Dean Rusk had served Averill Harriman and Dean Acheson during the Truman administration, and then became president of the Rockefeller Foundation in the late 1950s; he ‘once described Ford’s influence on other foundations: What the “fat boy in the canoe does,” he said, “makes a difference to everybody else.” And Ford’s influence was never stronger than after it adopted the cause of social change. Waldemar Nielsen’s monumental studies of foundations, published in 1972 and 1985, only strengthened the Ford effect, for Nielsen celebrated activist philanthropy and berated those foundations that had not yet converted to the cause. “As a result,” recalls Richard Larry, president of the Sarah Scaife Foundation, “a number of foundations said: ‘If this is what the foundation world is doing and what the experts say is important, we should move in that direction, too.’” The Rockefeller Brothers Fund, for example, funded the National Welfare Rights Organization--at the same that the organization was demonstrating against Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York. The Carnegie Corporation pumped nearly $20 million into various left-wing advocacy groups during the 1970s.’ (Heather Mac Donald, “The Billions of Dollars That Made Things Worse,” City Journal, Autumn 1996)

AGGRESSIVE FOUNDATION ACTIVISM OF THE LATE 1960s

In the second half of the 1960s, the social ferment generated by defeat in Vietnam, the student movement, the antiwar movement, the civil rights movement, and the gathering economic decline of the country spurred the foundations into action. With unerring oligarchical class instinct, they could see the grave danger that might be represented for financier domination by the possible fusion in a united front of the civil rights movement, the antiwar movement, the labor movement, and the student movement. Their answer to this was to promote and fund organization forms that were so narrow, so fragmented, and so parochial, that they prevented the necessary cooperation among these movements, thus blocking them from attaining most of their principal goals….

Right-wing commentators…are generally incapable of analyzing the real motivations for what the foundations do; they usually attribute the catastrophic results of foundation social engineering to some misguided instincts to do good. Nothing could be further from the truth: the goal of the foundations is to maintain the brutal regime of finance capital, and this presupposes that there be no national coalition capable of expressing a national interest in contradiction to the dictates of the Wall Street financiers. The rightwingers are therefore forced to make up fantastic stories of how Marxists have crept in to the temples of finance capital by the dark of the moon, so as to advance their work of revolution. In reality incendiary race baiting and pseudo-revolutionary and hyper-revolutionary rhetoric are most often the stock in trade of the foundation-funded political operative, who gets paid good money to inflame the mutual animosities and resentments of groups that ought to be uniting against Wall Street, rather than squabbling with each other for some petty and futile local concession. Barack Hussein Obama is precisely one of these foundation-funded political operatives or poverty pimps….

FORD FOUNDATION COMMUNITY ACTION AND THE 1960s GHETTO RIOTS

The beginnings of the local control-community control-poverty pimp apparatus of domestic social engineering and counterinsurgency goes back to the Ford Foundation’s Gray Areas Project of the 1960s, which was spearheaded by an obscure and highly influential Ford Foundation operative named Paul Ylvisaker. ‘The first such “action-oriented” program, the Gray Areas Project, was a turning point in foundation history--because it was a prime mover of the ill-starred War on Poverty--a turning point in American history as well. Its creator, Paul Ylvisaker, an energetic social theorist from Harvard and subsequent icon for the liberal foundation community, had concluded that the problems of newly migrated urban blacks and Puerto Ricans could not be solved by the “old and fixed ways of doing things.” Because existing private and public institutions were unresponsive, he argued, the new poverty populations needed a totally new institution--the “community action agency”--to coordinate legal, health, and welfare services and to give voice to the poor. According to Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Ford  “proposed nothing less than institutional change in the operation and control of American cities….[Ford] invented a new level of American government: the inner-city community action agency.” Ylvisaker proceeded to establish such agencies in Boston, New Haven, Philadelphia, and Oakland.’ (Heather Mac Donald)

The initial phase of Ford Foundation intervention into the black inner-city ghetto under the rubric of the Gray Areas strategy helped to fuel the Watts, Detroit, and Newark riots of 1965-1967. The community action projects that were begun in these years did not deliver what they promised, but did set the stage for the futile and self-defeating violence of “Burn, baby burn,” which was considered fashionable in the radical chic salons of the day. “Unfortunately, because it was so intent on persuading the federal government to adopt the program, Ford ignored reports that the community action agencies were failures,” according to historian Alice O’Connor.

Reincarnated as federal Community Action Program (CAPs), Ford’s urban cadres soon began tearing up cities. Militancy became the mark of merit for federal funders, according to Senator Moynihan. In Newark, the director of the local CAP urged blacks to arm themselves before the 1967 riots; leaflets calling for a demonstration were run off on the CAP’s mimeograph machine. The federal government funneled community action money to Chicago gangs--posing as neighborhood organizers--who then continued to terrorize their neighbors. The Syracuse, New York CAP published a remedial reading manual that declared: “No ends are accomplished without the use of force....Squeamishness about force is the mark not of idealistic, but moonstruck morals.” Syracuse CAP employees applied $7 million of their $8 million federal grant to their own salaries’ (Heather Mac Donald)

McGeorge Bundy should have been arrested for  inciting to riot, since that is exactly what he was doing. The political benefits of the resulting backlash would of course be harvested by demagogues like Nixon and Agnew….

MCGEORGE BUNDY: FROM VIETNAM STRATEGIC HAMLETS TO COMMUNITY CONTROL

In order to fragment, divide, and frustrate the ongoing political upsurge, the organizational forms which the Ford Foundation was using its fabulous wealth to create had to be as narrow, fragmented, apolitical, exclusive, and petty as possible. “Community Action Programs were a calculated means of keeping control. To deliver a particular point of view, foot soldiers got busy. Militants and Black Power were a joke! The Ford Foundation, through its president, McGeorge Bundy, was one step ahead and positioned to penetrate the movement. In promising to help achieve full domestic equality, they played a vanguard role and become the most important organization manipulating the militant black movement.” (Pulling No Punches, October 28, 2007)

McGeorge Bundy was a Skull and Bones graduate of Yale, a protégé of Dean Acheson, and the director of the National Security Council under President Kennedy....Bundy had left government in 1966, and would stay on as boss of the Ford Foundation until 1979. For much of this time, Bundy was considered to be the informal spokesman for the US Eastern Anglophile banking establishment, otherwise known as the financier oligarchy or ruling class. Accurate accounts of Bundy’s activities are very hard to come by, because no foundation has been willing to pay for an in-depth analysis of how foundation-funded social engineering is destroying this country.

Bundy was, in short, a butcher, but he was also a sophisticated ruling-class political operative. Bundy was a slightly younger colleague of the generation of self-styled “wise men” who had reorganized the Anglo-American world empire in the wake of World War II. Bundy was a dyed-in-the-wool, hereditary, silver-spoon oligarch, who was conscious of representing one of the most powerful and aggressive centers of imperialist social engineering. ‘David Halberstam was correct to quote one of McGeorge Bundy’s colleagues as stating that Bundy “…is a very special type, an elitist, part of a certain breed of men whose continuity is to themselves, a line to each other and not the country.”’ (Vincent J. Salandria, “The Promotion of Domestic Discord, an address at the conference of the New England Branch of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom, October 23, 1971)

Bundy was determined to ram through the Ford Foundation counterinsurgency strategy, whatever the cost to New York City and its people: as one student of these events observes, “McGeorge Bundy was not a man given to self-doubt. (He once cut off discussion at a foundation meeting to a group of program officers: “Look, I’m settled about this. Let’s not talk about it any more. I may be wrong, but I’m not in doubt.”) And if he had second thoughts about the path down which he was taking the foundation, he did not express them at the time. Indeed, his speeches and writings in that period showed a confident determination to continue working with black militants.’ (“McGeorge Bundy: How the Establishment’s Man Tackled America’s Problem with Race,” Tamar Jacoby)

GONZALEZ: FORD FOUNDATION “REVERSE RACISM” AMONG LATINOS

Bundy started by revamping the grant priorities inside the Ford Foundation to focus on black oppression, as well as the parallel problems of other ethnic minorities. It is important to note that racial oppression was never defined by the Ford Foundation in broad-based economic terms, such as the need for modern housing, new urban mass transit, top-flight medical care, high-tech jobs with union wages, a quality college education for all ghetto youth, and other reforms which would have necessitated a domestic Marshall Plan costing hundreds of billions of dollars. This was something which the oligarchs had no intention of paying for. Rather, the Ford Foundation claimed that the oppression of the black community was a matter of white racist attitudes, as reflected in institutional arrangements which prevented black self-determination, community control, and self-esteem. In this case, the oligarchs could claim that white blue-collar workers were the real culprits, since they were the ones who came into the most intensive daily contact with oppressed blacks. “Bundy reallocated Ford’s resources from education to minority rights, which in 1960 had accounted for 2.5 percent of Ford’s giving but by 1970 would soar to 40 percent.” The same methods were also applied to Hispanics and Latinos in programs that were the precursors of the lunatic provocateur propaganda of groups like Atzlan, which makes the absurd demand that many American states be restored to Mexico....

    Under Bundy’s leadership, Ford created a host of new advocacy groups, such as the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (a prime mover behind bilingual education) and the Native American Rights Fund, that still wreak havoc on public policy today. Ford’s support for a radical Hispanic youth group in San Antonio led even liberal congressman Henry B. Gonzalez to charge that Ford had fostered the “emergence of reverse racism in Texas.” (Heather Mac Donald)

Congressman Gonzalez, a real fighter who later pioneered in the effort to impeach George Bush the elder,

    complained that the Ford Foundation had promoted racism among his people, Mexican Americans. He related how the Ford Foundation made a grant of $636,000 to the Southwest Council for LaRaza. He said: The Foundation wanted to create new leadership, and in fact the new leaders it has created daily proclaim that existing leadership is no good … … the president of MAYO, … likes to threaten to “kill” what he terms ‘gringos’ if all else fails … … I must come to the sad conclusion that, rather than fostering brotherhood, the foundation has supported the spewings of hate, and rather than creating a new political unit, it has destroyed what little there was …’ (Salandria)

We will see later on that the methods of the Ford Foundation in regard to the subversion and manipulation of the American Indian movement for financier and provocation purposes are virtually identical to the approach employed towards black and Hispanic target populations.

THE FORD FOUNDATION VS. MARTIN LUTHER KING

Martin Luther King was perceived by the Ford Foundation as a very serious threat, because of the inclusive united-front methods by which he proposed to merge the struggles of the black community with those of labor and the antiwar movement. The oligarchical class instinct of the Ford Foundation therefore dictated that ultra-radical racist provocateurs be thrown into the fray who would condemn Dr. King as a collaborationist Uncle Tom who was out of touch with younger firebrand radicals. The general heading for these Ford Foundation provocateurs was the Black Power movement or the pork chop cultural nationalists, who were always notoriously eager for their foundation checks.

    In a sense, in this, Ford was only following up on its own early initiative: the foundation’s Gray Areas program, working in six inner cities in the early 1960s, had pioneered the idea of helping the ghetto help itself. But in 1964 the War on Poverty had taken the notion one step further, urging “maximum feasible participation” by the poor as a virtue in itself – calling on ghetto people not just to help run local services but teaching them to organize politically so that they could bargain with the government. As the idea gained credence, the emphasis of many anti-poverty programs shifted away from health care and education and job-training to teaching “leadership” and in effect telling “Whitey” off. Some people at the foundation were troubled by this new development. But they were largely unable to resist the growing pressure for any and all kinds of participatory programs. And it wasn’t long before Ford found itself paying for street gangs and avowed Black Power leaders. (Tamar Jacoby)

And again, the decision to fund the most incendiary lunatic agitators was a very conscious one, since their outrageous statements could be used to fuel the backlash of the white middle class against the militants for their demands.

FORD’S MCKISSICK, ANTI-MARTIN LUTHER KING

Thanks to the sheer power of its multi-billion-dollar endowment, the Ford Foundation was able to create a new fad for shameless, race-baiting provocateurs on the national scene. H. Rap Brown became infamous for his favorite slogan that “violence is as American as cherry pie.” Rap also issued ominous threats, including his classic “If America don’t come around, we’re gonna burn it down.” This was the age of “burn, baby, burn,” while reactionary Republican strategists around Nixon and others thanked heaven for their extraordinary good fortune.

A good example of the Ford Foundation sponsorship for the most extreme black power militants as a countergang to Martin Luther King was the grant allocation in Cleveland, Ohio:

    Among the most controversial of these grants went to the Cleveland chapter of CORE (Congress of Racial Equality). Like even the most moderate civil-rights organizations, CORE had been drifting leftward through the 1960s. Its integrationist national director James Farmer had been replaced in 1966 by the younger and angrier Floyd McKissick, who along with Carmichael was among the first proponents of Black Power. Outflanked on the left by SNCC (Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee) and even tougher ghetto leaders advocating violence and a separate black nation, McKissick felt under strong pressure to prove his militancy. He began to talk of “revolution” and to forge links with black Muslims; he explicitly repudiated the phrase “civil rights,” replacing its appeal to morality with bristling talk of race-based “power.” Before long, his escalating racial rhetoric had driven most white members out of CORE. By 1967, SNCC had actually expelled whites, and in July CORE deleted the word “multiracial” from its constitution. With this, it dropped all pretense that it was pursuing integration or the hope of progress based on racial harmony.

    None of this apparently bothered the Ford Foundation, which announced two weeks later – even as the Newark ghetto erupted into riots – that it was giving $175,000 to CORE’S Cleveland chapter. Bundy explained at a press conference that his board had considered the grant “with particular care.” (In fact among some 16 trustees, only Henry Ford himself had expressed any doubts.) What’s more, said Bundy, “neither Mr. McKissick nor I suppose that this grant requires the two of us – or our organizations – to agree on all public questions.” The foundation had chosen Cleveland because it had been particularly hard hit by riots the past summer; Ford’s theory was that CORE might channel the ghetto’s grievances in a more constructive way, averting further violence in the streets. The money was earmarked for voter registration and the training of community workers who were them to help other blacks articulate their needs.’ (Tamar Jacoby, “McGeorge Bundy: How the Establishment’s Man Tackled America’s Problem with Race”)

Bundy the patrician had made McKissick the minority plebeian into his mercenary as part of an incipient war on the part of the financiers against the majority of the American people in the form of the white middle class and lower middle class.

Rational spokesmen for the black community were horrified by the kinds of reckless and irresponsible agitation which the Ford Foundation was creating: ‘In Cleveland, ‘A black city councilman who opposed the program said the youths were being taught “race hatred” and that they had been heard telling younger children that “we are going to get guns and take over.” Yet Ford continued to defend the grant: “I see it,” said a foundation consultant, “as a flowering of what Black Power could be.” In August 1968, the program was renewed, with explicit instructions to include local gang leaders.’ (Tamar Jacoby) The Ford Foundation was not making mistakes; it was rather acting with diabolical effectiveness to pursue its oligarchical class agenda.


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1980s COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS AND COLLABORATIVES: OBAMA’S BACKGROUND

By the time Barack Hussein Obama arrived on the foundations scene in the mid-1980s, the original community action/community control/local control counterinsurgency strategy of the foundation community had somewhat evolved into community development corporations. These CDCs were first of all a reflection of the fact that economic conditions had become much more desperate as a result of rampant economic misrule under the Reagan regime. The trade union movement in its traditional form had now been largely broken. The CDCs were basically apolitical, in that they presuppose  that any attempt to change the policies of the government in Washington was hopeless, and that the most that could be attempted was to make the slide into de-industrialization and poverty a little more comfortable. The CDCs were also corporatist in the strict sense borrowed from the Mussolini fascist corporate state: as an organization form, they brought together workers, bankers, foundation bureaucrats, and government officials in an attempt to cajole corporate interests into creating a few jobs in poverty-stricken and blighted neighborhoods. Alternatively, they sought minor reform such as measures to reduce asbestos or lead poisoning in schools and public buildings.

This is precisely the strategy which Barack Hussein Obama was implementing for the Gamaliel foundation, a satellite of the Ford Foundation, in the Altgeld neighborhood on the south side of Chicago. Obama was therefore a second-generation poverty pimp carrying out an overtly corporatist political plan designed to maintain the control of bankers and financiers over the city of Chicago in just the same way that McGeorge Bundy had done this in New York.


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”I WAS A POVERTY PIMP FOR THE FOUNDATIONS”

The role of poverty pimp within the framework of foundation-funded strategies for mass political and social manipulation, with a view to keeping the American people in a state of apathy, fragmentation, passivity, and oppression, is a very exact characterization of what Obama did during his years as a “community organizer.” To talk about poverty pimps is of course politically incorrect in the extreme, but it is the only way to convey the social reality of what we are dealing with in the case of Obama. For further background, we read in Wikipedia:

    Poverty pimp or "professional poverty pimp" is a sarcastic label used to convey the opinion that an individual or group is benefiting unduly by acting as an intermediary on behalf of the poor, the disadvantaged or some other "victimized" groups. Those who use this appellation suggest that those so labeled profit unduly from the misfortune of others, and therefore do not really wish the societal problems that they appear to work on to be eliminated permanently, as it is not in their own interest for this to happen. The most frequent targets of this accusation are those receiving government funding or that solicit private charity to work on issues on behalf of various disadvantaged individuals or groups, but who never seem to be able to show any amelioration of the problems experienced by their target population.

This self-serving cynicism, in feeding off the plight of a group of desperate dupes who are turned into a salable political commodity, is the essence of Obama's career.



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Bottom line: just as anti-war/anti-police state/anti-debt-money “conservatives” must not allow themselves to become the unwitting dupes of yet another pro-war/pro-police state/pro-debt-money “neocon,” anti-war/anti-police state/anti-debt-money “progressives” must not allow themselves to become the unwitting dupes of yet another pro-war/pro-police state/pro-debt-money “liberal” or "progressive" (whether from the corporate world or foundation world).

Because to support either one is to support the same overall agenda.
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2012, 05:18:52 PM »

To all you self-righteous, insult-spewing, race-obsessed “liberals” out there who shamelessly wrap in the flag of “anti-racism” virtually each and every corporate fascist economic policy, Bush-style police state policy and imperialist foreign policy the Democrat-controlled Congress and White House propose, perpetuate or expand, I have a few questions for you:

If you’re as concerned with exposing and eliminating “racism” as you would have everyone believe, why do neither you nor the General Electric-financed Thought Police at MSNBC speak a word of protest against Obama's continuation of the racist drug war?

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iifGYnffrBI
       http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race/
       http://www.fff.org/comment/com0303e.asp
       http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/11.htm

Why no word of protest against Obama's continuation and -- in the case of Afghanistan and Pakistan -- expansion of Bush’s terroristic war on “brown people”?

Why no word of protest against Obama's plan to impose IMF-style austerity measures on behalf of his Wall Street cronies, particularly in view of the fact that these measures will fall harder on poor black communities than on any other sector of society?

Why no word of protest against the anti-labor/pro-land speculation tax system that also falls hardest on poor black communities?

       http://savingcommunities.org/issues/race.html

Why no word of protest against how neither Obama nor Democratic Congressional “leaders” have done anything (legislatively, not rhetorically!) to reverse the NAFTA-induced offshoring of countless millions of jobs -- yet another engineered trend that, as any black person from Detroit will readily attest, falls harder on poor, inner-city blacks than anyone else?

Why do you ignore the racist origins of your beloved victim disarmament "gun control" laws?

       http://www.constitution.org/cmt/cramer/racist_roots.htm
       http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_wtr8512.html

Why do you ignore the California origins of Nazi eugenics?

Why do you ignore the eery obsession that many of today’s limousine liberals continue to have with eugenics?

And last but certainly not least, why do you ignore the shameful, decades-old tradition among aristocrat-funded “foundations” -- particularly the Ford Foundation -- of employing the divide-and-rule/anti-MLK tactic of fomenting racial hatred within and between the lower and middle classes; and how this historical fact sheds a particularly unflattering light on all the racial provocateuring and hatemongering being engaged in by La Raza -- a hispanic supremecy group which is financed not only by the Ford Foundation, but by overprivileged corporations such as slave goods-selling Wal-Mart and toxic derivatives-peddling Citigroup?

Could it be that the real racists are you, and that your mindless accusations of racism against anyone who dares criticize God’s Obama's corporate fascist economic policies, Bush-style police state policies and terroristic foreign policies are thus nothing more than Freudian projection on your part?

Or is that yet another question you have neither the courage nor intellectual honesty to answer?
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2012, 06:27:51 PM »

The Rothschilds and their cousins the Erlangers made millions off the war, with the young Baron d'Erlanger himself stealing $15,000,000 in 1865 dollars from British aristrocrats in a scam related to the war.

When the Brits asked for US government help to recover the money after the war, they were laughed at by the US authorities because the money had been loaned to the South.

Baron d'Erlanger married the daughter of the South's Slidell, who negotiated the loans, while Slidell's sister was married to the Rothschild agent to the north.

I mention this to point out that the civil war, like most wars, including Afghanistan and Iraq, was also a war for profit.

It was not a war to free the slaves as so many of us were taught in school.
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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2012, 01:24:24 AM »

Erlanger? They also are into health systems and hospitals...

Baroness Erlanger Hospital - Chattanooga, TN
http://www.erlanger.org/body.cfm?id=33
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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2012, 03:24:34 AM »

The Rothschilds profiteered off the war, but the South didn't secede because of the Rothschilds.  They seceded because of slavery.  See my earlier post with excerpts from the Confederate Constitution & state secession documents.
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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2012, 06:14:24 AM »



+1000000 Geo. Excellent post, nails the problem.
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2012, 02:42:46 AM »

Erlanger? They also are into health systems and hospitals...

Baroness Erlanger Hospital - Chattanooga, TN
http://www.erlanger.org/body.cfm?id=33

Baron Erlanger also funded railways and new towns.  The hospital in Chattanooga was his wife's pet project.

The Erlangers were part of the Rothschild family, something which the Rothschild "official" historian fails to mention.
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