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« on: January 06, 2012, 11:59:00 AM »



the Minor vs Happersett case in which the Supreme Court defined a NBC as one who has 2 parents which were citizens at the time of the subject’s birth. We also cited 3 other cases in which the Supreme Court, previous to the Minor case, said the same thing.

Since Romney’s father, at the time of his birth, was not a U.S. citizen, nor did he ever become one, according to the U.S. Supreme Court in 1875…Romney is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.


Mitt Romney's family in Mexico reveals candidate's heritage south of border

Heading into the New Hampshire primary, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has a strong lead in the polls as he continues his effort to become the Republican nominee challenging President Obama in the fall. That would mean, of course, that the 64-year-old Romney would be closer to The White House than any Mormon ever has been.

If Romney secures the nomination, he would also be the first presidential nominee whose father was born in Mexico.

It's a little known fact that there's a whole branch of Mitt Romney’s family living south of the border, including his second cousin Leighton Romney, and about 40 other relatives descended from religious pioneers who first traveled to Mexico 125 years ago. These days, the Romneys of Mexico enjoy pleasant and productive lives in two remaining settlements: Colonia Juarez and Colonia Dublan, just 175 miles south of the border.

Romney's great grandfather, Miles Park Romney, led that first expedition to escape not persecution but prosecution for polygamy, or what Mormons called ‘plural marriage.’ After polygamy ended, the family remained in Mexico. Mitt Romney's father, George, was born in Colonia Dublan, one of the colonies in northern Mexico that the Romneys settled in after their arrival. His mother, Lenore LaFount Romney, was born in Utah.

When Romney’s father was five years old, the Mexican Revolution broke out and his parents moved back to the United States to avoid the violence. Mitt Romney was eventually born in Michigan. But the other branch of the family – leading down to Romney's cousins Leighton, Mike and Meredith – stayed behind in Mexico, their numbers growing. The Romneys chose to remain in Mexico because they established good lives for themselves and their families there. Most of them are now dual-citizens.

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/06/10005266-mitt-romneys-family-in-mexico-reveals-candidates-heritage-south-of-border?threadId=3313381&commentId=61324271#c61324271
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 12:12:05 PM »



OK ,, lets see

any politician with enough money can ignore the Constitutions  Natural Born Citizen qualifications and become president.

first it was obama and Now  Mitt Romney is going for it ,,
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 12:32:28 PM »

His father considered a run.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Romney
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 01:02:35 PM »

The 14th Amendment states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".   Under this Amendment, Mitt is a US Citizen.

The ruling in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) concerned the voting rights of women.  Any natural born citizen language was dicta and not the ruling.  This case was overturned by the 19th Amendment.

Any way, it was all cleared up by UNITED STATES V. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U. S. 649 (1898) "A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution".   I don't like Mitt; I think he's a Wall Street guy.  But he is a US Citizen.

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 02:18:07 PM »

The 14th Amendment states "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws".   Under this Amendment, Mitt is a US Citizen.

The ruling in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT, 88 U.S. 162 (1874) concerned the voting rights of women.  Any natural born citizen language was dicta and not the ruling.  This case was overturned by the 19th Amendment.

Any way, it was all cleared up by UNITED STATES V. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U. S. 649 (1898) "A child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution".   I don't like Mitt; I think he's a Wall Street guy.  But he is a US Citizen.



I got my info here.

Back in 1875, the United States Supreme Court, in Minor v, Happersett, ruled that:

Natural Born Citizen” was defined as children born of two U.S. citizens – regardless of the location of the birth. It found: “The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also.”

http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/?p=3016
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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 02:34:51 PM »

According to UNITED STATES V. WONG KIM ARK, 169 U. S. 649 (1898) & the 14th Amendment, children born in the US to non-citzen parents are citizens of the US by birth, with few exceptions like parents with diplomatic immunity.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 04:21:15 PM »

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Mitt Romney's family in Mexico...

Ahhh I see! NOW certain things make more sense! There's your nomination right there.
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2012, 05:34:57 AM »

Congressional record link. http://www.scribd.com/doc/20829167/Natural-Born-Citizen-Congressional-Record-6-14-1967-p-15875-80

Congressional Record (House) June 14, 1967


"I find no proper legal or historical basis on which to conclude that a person born outside of the United States could ever be eligible to occupy the Office of the President of the United States. In other words, In my opinion, Mr. George Romney of Michigan Is Ineligible to become President of the United States because he was born In Mexico and is, therefore, not a natural-born citizen as required by the United States Constitution."


Thus, we have the same situation as with Obama/Soetoro: A father born in a foreign country who never became a U.S. citizen. Several people have been doing some serious research on this:

The real legal question is this: Romney's father was born in Mexico. Under their Constitution, he was a Mexican citizen.


Mexican Constitution - Chapter II


Article 30. Mexican nationality is acquired by birth or by naturalization:
A. Mexicans by birth are:
I. Those born in the territory of the Republic, regardless of the nationality of their parents:
II. Those born in a foreign country of Mexican parents; of a Mexican father and a foreign mother; or of a Mexican mother and an unknown father;

Was that still his status when Mitt was born?


more at link.

http://www.rense.com/general95/rom_dev.htm
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