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« on: December 28, 2011, 05:14:36 PM » |
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Just came across this interview on the youtubes by David Williams who's making that whole "the constitution wasn't really for we the people" claim and while I always take these kinda claims with a grain of salt he is going over his reasonsings and I was wondering what are some of the ways to counter his claims. JT, if ya don't mind popping on, I'd like to see you drop some of your wisdom on this matter if you can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiSQaFvzFSA&feature=watch_response_rev |
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You know what the funny and maybe just a little sad thing here is? Before their domestication by the Romans sheep were regarded as one of the more aggressive and free spirited creatures on this planet, sound familiar anyone?
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2011, 05:55:38 PM » |
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you cant counter them as they are accurate. the constitution only applies to the persons whom signed their name to it, its a contract.
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Ryujin
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2011, 06:50:10 PM » |
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Then why is the media so hell bent on trying to destroy it? Or even better, why not just go that route and just use that reasoning to undermind it?
I don't know, just given how hard they want the constitution dead and all the disinfo out there it just seems like this kinda of stuff just works towards their favor. Now don't get me wrong, in the end I'll fallow the facts even if they take me places that I don't want to go since the truth is what matters but like I said... all this "the constitution is just a piece of paper stuff" just seems a bit convenient.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2011, 06:52:44 PM » |
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the simple fact that they circumvent the constitution so easily demonstrates how irrelevant it is
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2011, 07:06:55 PM » |
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There is other stuff on this subject here in these forums, but it is interesting that (I think) they are comparing the founders (businessmen and lawyers) to today's sovereign citizen or freeman on the land movements, and that they simply declared their own freedom and not that of "America" (i.e., you and me and everyone else, but just themselves). But I'm only on part 3/13 so who knows what's to come... Man this world is confusing!  I hope the experts chime in. |
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"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2011, 07:08:43 PM » |
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you cant counter them as they are accurate. the constitution only applies to the persons whom signed their name to it, its a contract.
a contract? a contract between whom? well, no reason to keep you in suspense... the constitution is one of the founding documents which creates a limited federal agency for the states. the second that agency no longer is in the interest of the states, it is a rougue agency and that is the main point of the 10t amendment. it is not a contract, it is a constitution to define the extremely limited role of a states' agency on behalf of the states. the idea that the constitution is a 'contract' between the states and a so called 'federal government' which did not exist is pure absurdity. It is merely a definition of a states' agency used to protect the states via a common defense and the protection of the rights of man...mainly the bill of rights. and this defining role applies to all on the land and is also a blueprint which others could choose to follow if they be so inclined. We were set up to lead by example, not by conquest. Of course the vile snakes of the Gothe-Orange-Nassau-Windsor-Rothschild incestuous cla has been working since its inception to sabotage our fledgeling republic. |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2011, 07:09:58 PM » |
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the simple fact that they circumvent the constitution so easily demonstrates how irrelevant it is
easy? are you fricking kidding? the only reason we are not born into a gooey cybernetic matrix pod from hell is because they fear the constitution as well as its encompassing founding documents which are a part of each other. it is the largest thorn in the side of the New World Order and now many are waking up to this fact. |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 07:34:36 PM » |
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How can something be irrelevant if people are circumventing it? Why wouldn't they just get rid of it if it were so irrelevant. Did I actually just read that?
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This country did not achieve greatness with the mindset of "safety first" but rather "live free or die".
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The problem is the virus called the Illuminati. ~EvadingGrid
The answer to 1984 is 1776.
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Ryujin
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 07:36:59 PM » |
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@Freeski: You know, I was thinking the same thing. IF this whole thing is infact true then maybe we all just need to follow their lead and just sign our own decelerations then.
@Dig: Thanks for chiming in with that info.
@maim: I'm with Sane... Dig on this one, I mean how do in sound reason call slowly nipping away at something for decades simple? If it was that simple why don't they just go, "Ha-ha the constitution has no power nawh-nawh-nah-nawh-nawh!" and be done with it? Also that's like saying that land rights are irrelevant do to how easy it is for me to hop a fence and tresspace on someones property.
Now I go to say that "debates" like this are a good thing, after all it doesn't hurt to really examine things you believe in just to make sure and also not to meantion it also helps build up a a nice refrace sheet for others who are trying to debate this elsewhere
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 07:42:11 PM » |
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easy? are you fricking kidding?
the only reason we are not born into a gooey cybernetic matrix pod from hell is because they fear the constitution as well as its encompassing founding documents which are a part of each other.
it is the largest thorn in the side of the New World Order and now many are waking up to this fact.
Good argument. I can't think of a bigger thorn, except maybe Ron Paul. |
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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 01:44:08 AM » |
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While a bit small I think this pic clearly debunks his the "people" in we the people is capitalized claim: http://www.thepostemail.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/U.S.-Constitution.jpgNope, it seems to be in normal case to me. |
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 01:59:53 AM » |
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Highest of artistry, the unseen geometry which converges in those three fateful words,
"We the People" --
Like Mary, receiving word of help from Heaven,
Like Prometheus running forth from the mountaintop with his flaming branch,
Blessed be the mouth who first breathed life into thy body, O Constitution!
Blessed be the hand that bound so much meaning into so few words,
that over vast expanses of hardship and the implacable fastnesses of the Void,
a Light can be seen,
like the stars of Heaven,
those most beautiful words shine against the darkness and despair of ignorance and tyranny --
like the book of John, your words are like honey to the tongue,
but the knowledge of the wrath of the enemy makes the stomach bitter.
How staunchly then, must I defend my precious Constitution;
like a lighthouse alone on the barren shore, I must hold that Light aloft,
even weathering the storms of disbelief which shake the foundations of the world,
so that in another age our progeny might say,
"Our forefathers bought our freedom with their blood"
instead of having been sold into slavery beneath the torch of our common watch.
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2012, 11:19:50 PM » |
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Sixteenth American Jurisprudence
Second Edition, Section 256.
Read it, memorize it, spread it. It sums up the why, of why most of the Federal laws are null and void.
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Freedom and Liberty, or slavery and death, your choice, choose wisely.
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JT Coyoté
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« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 12:40:55 AM » |
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Just came across this interview on the youtubes by David Williams who's making that whole "the constitution wasn't really for we the people" claim and while I always take these kinda claims with a grain of salt he is going over his reasonsings and I was wondering what are some of the ways to counter his claims. JT, if ya don't mind popping on, I'd like to see you drop some of your wisdom on this matter if you can. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiSQaFvzFSA&feature=watch_response_revBetter late than never... I hope the following helps, Ryujin... Sixteenth American Jurisprudence
Second Edition, Section 256.
Read it, memorize it, spread it. It sums up the why, of why most of the Federal laws are null and void.
Yes. And this is exactly why the feds are scared to death of a super majority of state born 10th Amendment prerogatives sweeping the land to scrutinize and nullify any and all federal law, back to itself, the 10th Amendment... which will be upheld as the salvation of the republic in its cleansing; by the 9th Amendment rights of individual sovereignty in all cases, inalienably held by the People as the essential power and aegis underlying it... come together people. This possibility as people wake up to it, makes the globies blue blood run cold. Oldyoti "No man in the wrong can
stand up against a man in the
right that keeps on a comin'."
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Ryujin
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2012, 08:32:17 AM » |
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@Direwolf and JT: Thanks, good stuff. I'm just getting sick of all this, "The Constitution isn't for you and the founding fathers were evil bullshit." I mean if this was the case then you'd think that a) they would just come out in the dinowhore media and say that the Constitution was a big HOAX and ha-ha on you and b) why create a document that acts as a torch for liberty in the mind of men in the first place? Just for the LAWLZ?
So yeah... to all you anti-Constitution heads, put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
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