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Prometheus Alien Prequel
« on: December 25, 2011, 05:07:28 AM »
Prometheus
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Ridley Scott, director of "Alien" and "Blade Runner," returns to the genre he helped define. With PROMETHEUS, he creates a groundbreaking mythology, in which a team of explorers discover a clue to the origins of mankind on Earth, leading them on a thrilling journey to the darkest corners of the universe. There, they must fight a terrifying battle to save the future of the human race.



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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 07:02:01 AM »
Classic...I love that they admit they are building new mythologies.

They went into space to "find our origin".  Pretty familiar myth there...humans are not a part of this planet, we are a disease.

Looks very cool, though...I will be seeing it on the big screen.

BTW...Prometheus is the God taking a bath at Rockefeller Center...a sun god.
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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 03:18:32 PM »
Classic...I love that they admit they are building new mythologies.

They went into space to "find our origin".  Pretty familiar myth there...humans are not a part of this planet, we are a disease.

Looks very cool, though...I will be seeing it on the big screen.

BTW...Prometheus is the God taking a bath at Rockefeller Center...a sun god.

Yes, Prometheus is also a version of Lucifer.

Prometheus
By Armin Zebrowski Prometheus by Baburen

    Prometheus: Yes, I caused mortals to cease foreseeing their doom.
    Chorus: Of what sort was the cure that you found for this affliction?
    Prometheus: I caused blind hopes to dwell within their breasts.
    Chorus: A great benefit was this you gave to mortals.
    Prometheus: In addition, I gave them fire.
    Chorus: What! Do creatures of a day now have flame-eyed fire?
    Prometheus: Yes, and from it they shall learn many arts.
        — Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound

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After the coming into being of the world, the stories tell us, everything had found its place. But one creature, capable of lofty thought, was still missing. When Kronos ruled Olympus, the deathless gods decided to fashion a golden race of mortal men. Knowing of the divine seed that slumbered in the Earth, only recently separated from the heavenly aether, Prometheus mixed clay and running water. He shaped this into likenesses of the all-controlling gods, including also qualities taken from all the animals. This is how the first humans came into existence. In the course of ages, after Zeus had banished the ancient gods to Tartarus, humans populated the Earth, but lumbered witless as if in a dream. They did not know how to see, hear, or understand, or how to create things with their hands. Prometheus’s empathy led him to steal for them the forbidden divine fire hidden by Zeus, which allowed him to teach them skills and sciences that used all their potentials.

Angered by the theft, Zeus plotted revenge on both humanity and its benefactor. He had Hephaestus, smith of the gods, create a beautiful virgin, Pandora, who was furnished with disastrous gifts by Athena, Aphrodite, and other gods. When a box she was carrying was opened on Earth, all evils and diseases escaped from it and spread among mankind. One single good thing, Hope, had not escaped when she clapped the lid closed. Meanwhile Prometheus was dragged to earth’s remotest wilderness and bound to a rock over a terrifying abyss with chains that could not be undone. Every day an eagle came and ate from his liver, which would regenerate each night. He endured this torment for centuries until the hero Hercules set him free.

This myth calls to mind stories of divine fire brought to mankind in many other traditions. According to H. P. Blavatsky:

    The allegory of the fire of Prometheus is another version of the rebellion of the proud Lucifer [“light-bringer”], who was hurled down to the bottomless pit, or simply unto our Earth, to live as man. The Hindu Lucifer, the Mahasura, is also said to have become envious of the Creator’s resplendent light, and, at the head of inferior Asuras (not gods, but spirits), to have rebelled against Brahma; for which Siva hurled him down to Patala. But, as philosophy goes hand in hand with allegorical fiction in Hindu myths, the devil is made to repent, and is afforded the oppor­tunity to progress . . .” — The Secret Doctrine 2:237n

Also in Hinduism are the Manasaputras or “sons of mind,” who brought mankind the fire of thought. In the Nordic Edda the name of the god Loki — a blood brother of Odin — comes from the old word liuhan, “to illuminate.”

What then is the inner significance behind these particular stories? Long ago the early human race had undergone a certain amount of evolution but “thinkers” had not yet been born: nature had succeeded in developing a suitable body but the soul-giving principle, the fire of self-conscious thought, had not yet been awakened. Adam and Eve, to a certain extent, existed in paradise without self-awareness. Like Lucifer, Prometheus is an allegorical representation of the incarnation of our higher self, the awakening of the active, self-reflective capacity for thought. This subject is therefore of the highest significance for human evolution. As Blavatsky wrote:

    It is owing to this rebellion of intellectual life against the morbid inactivity of pure spirit, that we are what we are — self-conscious, thinking men, with the capabilities and attributes of Gods in us, for good as much as for evil. Hence the rebels are our saviours. . . . It is only by the attractive force of the contrasts that the two opposites — Spirit and Matter — can be cemented on Earth, and, smelted in the fire of self-conscious experience and suffering, find themselves wedded in Eternity. — The Secret Doctrine 2:103

By the gods allying themselves with us for this period of development, it became possible for us to attain knowledge and wisdom. But why was Prometheus harshly punished? Other legends suggest a motive; for instance Genesis reports:

    And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life. — 3:22-4

As with Pandora’s box, all evil in this world arose from the joining of the spiritual with the human world. Many commentators see in this a question of guilt, but this misses the crux of the matter: Adam and Eve are driven out of paradise because, with the power of thought, there is no longer any paradise for them. The human being, equipped with the divine capacity for self-reflective thought, can use this newly-won strength to create or destroy, to accomplish wonderful things or great crimes. One day we will ascend again and establish a human race worthy of the gods, but there is still a long way to go in overcoming “I am I” (egoic awareness) to reach “I am” (universal consciousness).

This evolutionary process is also clearly reflected in symbolism. Spirit, represented by a vertical line, is linked with the material world, represented by a horizontal line. Together these give rise to the cross, the son or third logos. If this logos becomes active, as with the awakening capacity for thought through the incarnation of the higher self, then this cross begins to turn. The turning of the cross produces the swastika, a symbol found in many religions. Quite a number of terracotta discs were found under the ruins of ancient Troy that contained this symbol in two forms:  Svastika1 and Svastika2. Again, Pramantha, the Vedic divine carpenter, unites himself with Arani, nature or Maya (illusion). They produce the divine boy Agni, god of fire. In the Bible too, Joseph is a carpenter, a master builder, and Mary is very reminiscent of Maya. Their child is mankind, with the fire of self-aware thought bestowed by the Holy Spirit. The son of the creator nailed to the cross — is he not a symbol of this process that speaks the same clear language as the legend of Prometheus, spirit chained to the cross of matter? As Blavatsky says, “the Crucified Titan is the personified symbol of the collective Logos, the ‘Host’, and of the ‘Lords of Wisdom’ or the heavenly man, who incarnated in Humanity” (The Secret Doctrine 2:413).

We are also told that the suffering of Prometheus — the “one who foresees” — will end. He who has sacrificed himself for mankind is redeemed out of pity by the demigod Hercules, a son of Zeus, despite the fact that he may not take off the indestructible chains (karma). Still, the vulture — our base nature — will no longer come to eat the Titan’s liver. Human mental development, accelerated by the incarnation of the higher self, became unbalanced, with physical and moral development unable to keep pace. Once we regain our inner equilibrium, we will recognize our true destiny and nature, release the god chained within us, and as mankind conquer the darkness of ignorance.

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Prometheus, by Paul Manship (1934); companion piece to Atlas. Located in New York City, the 18 foot high, 8 ton statue of Prometheus overlooks the sunken plaza of Rockefeller Center.


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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 12:32:18 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Entertainment

This is the production company that produces Ancient Aliens for the Hearst Channel.

He also is connected to Foxstar, a company connected to the Aliens franchise...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0342036/

Pretty tangled web...
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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 04:17:40 PM »


Prometheus Trailer 2

http://youtu.be/nmJOO6D5RvA


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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 11:15:03 AM »
I can't wait to see this movie.

That trailer seems to give a lot away.  That's the crashed alien ship where Ripley's original crew found the first eggs.

The distress signal is from the human ship, though.

It would also seem that the aliens have been genetically altered by contact with humans.

I'm guessing that the story is this...

Ancient aliens, traveling through the universe, left signs on planets likely to have life...

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Those wanderers must have looked on Earth, circling safely in the narrow zone between fire and
ice, and must have guessed that it was the favorite of the Sun’s children. Here, in the distant future,
would be intelligence
; but there were countless stars before -them still, and they might never come
this way again.

So they left a sentinel, one of millions they have scattered throughout the Universe, watching over
all worlds with the promise of life.
It was a beacon that down the ages has been patiently signaling
the fact that no one had discovered it.

Perhaps you understand now why that crystal pyramid was set upon the Moon instead of on the
Earth. Its builders were not concerned with races still struggling up from savagery. They would be
interested in our civilization only if we proved our fitness to survive -by crossing space and so
escaping from the Earth, our cradle. That is the challenge that all intelligent races must meet,
sooner or later. It is a double challenge, for it depends in turn upon the conquest of atomic energy
and the last choice between life and death.

Once we had passed that crisis, it was only a matter of time before we found the pyramid and
forced it open. Now its signals have ceased, and those whose duty it is will be turning their minds
upon Earth. Perhaps they wish to help our infant civilization. But they must be very, very old, and
the old are often insanely jealous of the young
.


Arthur C Clarke, The Sentinel


As the first dominant race in the universe, they wanted to insure that younger lifeforms would never conquer them, so they set this trap.  They didn't design us, but they are smart enough to use genetics to create the creature that can destroy us.  One that can thrive on our planet, because it shares DNA with us.  Alien sequels have alluded to the ability of the aliens to morph...they are a little different in each film.  I'm guessing that the Prometheus crew, barely stops the ship carrying the eggs, but then their signal draws in the Nostromo which picks up an alien already designed to kill humans and live in their real or simulated(spaceship) biosphere.

So, this story, featuring the name of Prometheus, is about a technological elite, who wants to destroy humans...sounds familiar.  I could be wrong, though.  That's why I can't wait to see it.  Plus, Ridley Scott makes really engaging action movies.
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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2012, 02:06:35 PM »
Did Alex just say that he and Aaron have seen this film and are going to do a report on it?

They are discussing Hunger Games, and I'm pretty sure he said something about Prometheus.

Can't wait to hear that...
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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 08:13:16 AM »
Secrets of Prometheus Film Leaked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enzaao300M0

Sounds a lot like what I expect...still can't wait to see it!
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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 09:35:03 AM »
"Alien is a 1979 science fiction horror film directed by Ridley Scott....Dan O'Bannon wrote the screenplay from a story by him and Ronald Shusett." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film)

Dan O'Bannon also co-wrote the screenplay for Dark Star, which -- despite its obvious low-budget appearance -- contains what in my view is an absolutely brilliant scene in which one of the astronauts (Lt. Doolittle, played by Brian Narelle) gets into a philosophical debate with "Bomb" (an artificial intelligence-driven bomb drop mechanism) about the nature of existence:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlEkEvdoK5Y

And who did O'Bannon co-write the latter film with? John Carpenter -- the writer and director of They Live.

An eyebrow-raising multipoint connection between what would otherwise appear to be unrelated works, is it not?
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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2012, 01:59:56 PM »
Carpenter has another movie that might be appropriate to mention in that relationship...The Prince of Darkness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Darkness_(film)

Which shared the same producer as They Live...Larry Franco.

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0324578/

Carpenter got the idea for Prince of Darkness while doing research at a physics laboratory.  He decided it would be interesting to toy with combining science and traditional religious stories...in this case, the Prince of Darkness is a being made up of anti-matter.  His presence in our reality would literally be "apocalyptic".  Carpenter lists this movie as the "second installment" of his "Apocalyptic Trilogy" which includes The Thing and In The Mouth of Madness.
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2012, 02:06:42 PM »
Carpenter has another movie that might be appropriate to mention in that relationship...The Prince of Darkness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Darkness_(film)

Which shared the same producer as They Live...Larry Franco.

http://www.imdb.com/company/co0324578/

Carpenter got the idea for Prince of Darkness while doing research at a physics laboratory.  He decided it would be interesting to toy with combining science and traditional religious stories...in this case, the Prince of Darkness is a being made up of anti-matter.  His presence in our reality would literally be "apocalyptic".  Carpenter lists this movie as the "second installment" of his "Apocalyptic Trilogy" which includes The Thing and In The Mouth of Madness.

That movie still gives me the kreeps.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 08:41:42 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 09:22:44 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb7gspHxZiI

The last time I was this eager to see an upcoming film was seven years ago -- back when "Revenge of the Sith" was mere weeks away from finally being released.

Speaking of which...

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdJDAPDltMM

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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2012, 04:40:50 AM »

Oh man! I can't wait!!!

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2012, 04:45:36 AM »


Secrets of Prometheus Film Leaked
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rynq-DJ71VI

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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2012, 09:19:22 AM »
Finally saw this movie...loved it.  Really great sic-fi from a master of cinema.

A lot of different messages, not all of which were pro New Age.

I think that I need to see it again to decide what I think it is really about...

One thing for sure...it solidifies "Ancient Alien" theories in the public subconscious.

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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2012, 09:48:45 AM »
Finally saw this movie...loved it.  Really great sic-fi from a master of cinema.

I have yet to see it. How much of it would you say connects directly with the first Alien film? A lot? Some? Very little?
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2012, 12:32:22 PM »
I have yet to see it. How much of it would you say connects directly with the first Alien film? A lot? Some? Very little?

A Lot!!!  :o

I went home and immediately put in the first film.  Prometheus made me want to revisit the first two films.  First of all to see if LV-426 is the planet Prometheus lands on...  

Prometheus is an interesting view of the origins of the "Company" dominated future we see in Ripley's time.  The hibernation chambers are similar to the ones in the original.  Ridley Scott overlooks no detail...that I noticed.  I definitely want to see it again at home.

If you love the originals, you should definitely go see this...you won't be sorry.  But, you will have more questions at the end than you had at the beginning...there's definitely going to be another installment.  We learn almost nothing about our "creators"...except who they are, and what they look like.

I think it might be a really cool experience in IMAX 3D...there are some cool scenes and effects.  The story is excellent, and there was only one thing I found ...let's say "cheesy".  Go see it, and I'll bet you can pick it out.  

And, I think that Ridley Scott may have paid some tribute to Kubrick/Clarke...especially when we first meet David aboard Prometheus.  I thought the inside of the ship resembled Discovery far more than the Nostromo or the Sulaco.  And, David reminds me of HAL quite a bit.  That's all I'm going to say...Go see it!!

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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2012, 03:11:33 AM »
"Alien is a 1979 science fiction horror film directed by Ridley Scott....Dan O'Bannon wrote the screenplay from a story by him and Ronald Shusett." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film)

Dan O'Bannon also co-wrote the screenplay for Dark Star, which -- despite its obvious low-budget appearance -- contains what in my view is an absolutely brilliant scene in which one of the astronauts (Lt. Doolittle, played by Brian Narelle) gets into a philosophical debate with "Bomb" (an artificial intelligence-driven bomb drop mechanism) about the nature of existence:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlEkEvdoK5Y

And who did O'Bannon co-write the latter film with? John Carpenter -- the writer and director of They Live.

An eyebrow-raising multipoint connection between what would otherwise appear to be unrelated works, is it not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HBvS6ucGso (Bill Frug's Diary)

No matter how many times I watch the above, I laugh every time.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2014, 07:22:28 PM »
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Ancient and occultic views reflected in dark themes of Prometheus

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In this special report, Alex Jones examines the underlying themes in Ridley Scott’s Prometheus. The sequel is scheduled for release in 2016.

“The secret is that the elite believe they are attaining godhood and are destined for the stars,” we wrote in March, 2012. “Their ancient and occultic views are reflected in the dark themes of Prometheus, the very name of which hints at the quest for eternity and power among a group who think a divine right bestowed by a higher intelligence gives credence to their meddling with the affairs of common man.”
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Re: Prometheus Alien Prequel
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2014, 08:35:34 PM »
I can't wait till the second film comes out.. march 2016 is too far away!  I'm a huge Ridley Scott fan.  I wish he would make a prequel to the movie "Legend" that he did back in the 80s.

The question is are we still going to be here march 2016..
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