The number of the beast

[UKgaz1969]

I may be paranoid but i am seeing 666 in signs, in our local shopping centre there is a 666 as clear as day in the main sign as you enter.

Is this a joke or something more sinister?

[Kilika]

Just the world, that's all. Seeing the world is run by satan, it's to be expected you'd see that number in the world, along with all the evil that goes with it. And it's no joke in my personal opinion and beliefs. But it depends on what you believe.

[America2]

Just the world, that's all. Seeing the world is run by satan, it's to be expected you'd see that number in the world, along with all the evil that goes with it. And it's no joke in my personal opinion and beliefs. But it depends on what you believe.

Yeah, it's come to a point now where the world has made one big joke out of 666. No, I'm not saying as Christians we should run around in fear and bite our nails, but nonetheless, when the Rev 13 beast/false prophet make their appearance and flash their 666 numerology, the world will fall for it hook, line, and sinker b/c they were conditioned to do so for a long time.

[Rtruth]

I wouldn't let your mind play tricks on you. Fear can easily get the best of people. The mark will be on your right hand or in your forehead. What does that mean anyway? No one really knows yet. They say that's the microchip implant. and they say if you take it then your soul can never go to heaven. But why is the micro chip either on your right hand but if the person has no right hand then it's "inside"...."in your forehead"? It doesn't say on and on, or in and in. It say's specifically "on and in". Which is a bit of a mystery as to what that could be.

[America2]

I wouldn't let your mind play tricks on you. Fear can easily get the best of people. The mark will be on your right hand or in your forehead. What does that mean anyway? No one really knows yet. They say that's the microchip implant. and they say if you take it then your soul can never go to heaven. But why is the micro chip either on your right hand but if the person has no right hand then it's "inside"...."in your forehead"? It doesn't say on and on, or in and in. It say's specifically "on and in". Which is a bit of a mystery as to what that could be.

Nope, it's "in"...

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I can't seem to find the pic now, but it's the one that's white and a bit black, and there's 3 squares at 3 of the corners(I think) - I'm seeing this image everywhere I go. Stores, products, college campuses, even the new T-NIV bible(which is gender neutral concerning God) has it on the back of it. The name escapes of(the name of this image I'm seeing everywhere). Interesting that it has 3 little squares in it - just think about it for a sec...a square is a CUBE as well, right? There's SIX sides to a cube, right? So 3 cubes has 6, 6, and 6 sides to them respectively, right?

Again, name escapes me what they call this image, but if someone recalls, please post this image here. Thanks!

[global_fiefdom]

something like these? Nokia:



666 CrAp Circles:



Tesseract!? Hexagram/cube, SAME THING @.@*





STONEHENGE:

[America2]

No, not those.

I tell you what, give me 15-20 minutes and I'll see if I can find it. Like I said, it's on the back of the new gender-neutral T-NIV bible, and I'm seeing it everywhere(from shopping centers to tv to books to college campuses, etc).

[America2]

Go to this link, and go to the 11:50 mark in the video in it...

http://www.kingjamesvideoministries.com/apps/videos/videos/show/13349410-2011-niv-and-the-mark-of-the-beast

I don't know the name of this particular symbol(otherwise would be able to search it on yahoo), however, this particular one I'm seeing it all over the place, like I mentioned above. Even college campuses(at least the one right next door to me) are promoting it.

Also, keep in mind that a square is exactly like a cube.

[global_fiefdom]

Oh, that thing is a cell phone technology, "follow us" maybe(?)  QR COdes, that apparently lets companies send you information to your text inbox, email, etc.

A QR code (abbreviated from Quick Response code) is a type of matrix barcode (or two-dimensional code) first designed for the automotive industry. More recently, the system has become popular outside of the industry due to its fast readability and comparatively large storage capacity. The code consists of black modules arranged in a square pattern on a white background. The information encoded can be made up of any kind of data (e.g., binary, alphanumeric, or Kanji symbols).[1]
 
Created by Toyota subsidiary Denso Wave in 1994 [2] to track vehicles during the manufacturing process, the QR code is one of the most popular types of two-dimensional barcodes. It was designed to allow its contents to be decoded at high speed.[3]
 
The technology has seen frequent use in Japan; the United Kingdom is the seventh-largest consumer of QR codes in the world.[4]

ZXing ("Zebra Crossing")¶

ZXing (pronounced "zebra crossing") is an open-source, multi-format 1D/2D barcode image processing library implemented in Java, with ports to other languages. Our focus is on using the built-in camera on mobile phones to scan and decode barcodes on the device, without communicating with a server.

I think you can scan the thing for info as well...

Not the sort of thing I would ever in my life expect to see on a Bible, ...



Not far from RFID, in fact it's a facet of RFID.

There is a local business near my place where one can obtain stacks of "cell phone ads" with the sort of digital code you linked, they are on everything from Domino's pizza to the art school spam I get in the mail to the NIV you linked above.

O M G.

Well before I overreact, lol, here is a screenie.

"X-ing", or "Un-Naming"

Space and time hold little meaning within the Time Quartet series. In several instances, we find Meg and other characters frustrated with their new friends and confused about these concepts. However, according to the mythical creatures that are introduced, these concepts are limiting and unimportant. This is the key concept to understanding why Charles' sickness could be so important. His sickness, the ailment of his mitochondria is just as important as the fate of a planet elsewhere in the universe because each part of creation, great or small, is important.
 
Like all of L'Engle's books, the power of love is again a force to be reckoned with as it helps save several characters—not just Charles Wallace but also Meg and a farandola named Sporos. Meg learns to see beyond superficial impressions, and appreciate and embrace inner beauty and strength. Much of the communication between characters in this book involves a process called kything. This process is similar to telepathy and empathic abilities combined. Meg also learns that she is a Namer. Namers work in the universe to love and name parts of Creation, and help them to be themselves. This is the exact opposite of what Echthroi do in their Xing or un-naming.  [/b][/color]

[global_fiefdom]

Looks like it's pretty much straight DARPA stuff LOL

 



Don't stick this on me!!!! (in, around, projected, etc!!!)

 




Yes we KAIZEN? F*CK! lol

QR MALWARE

Ususally it is benign, but sometimes it can be used for malicious purposes like getting malware on your phone.  Sometimes these pieces of malware can even be disguised as legitimate pieces of software.  Later when they are discovered to be malicious, Google flips the kill bit on them, and they are hopefully automatically wiped from your phone.

[America2]

Thank you for all the info! Very interesting...I didn't know most of what you posted until reading it now.

FYI, the T-NIV(posted in the link above) comes from Rupert Murdoch's Zonderfan. Rupert Murdoch? Surprise, surprise! It was Murdoch's Zonderfan's NIV that came out either in '78 or '88, but the T-NIV just ups the abominations another few notches.

[One Revelator]

I wouldn't let your mind play tricks on you. Fear can easily get the best of people. The mark will be on your right hand or in your forehead. What does that mean anyway? No one really knows yet. They say that's the microchip implant. and they say if you take it then your soul can never go to heaven. But why is the micro chip either on your right hand but if the person has no right hand then it's "inside"...."in your forehead"? It doesn't say on and on, or in and in. It say's specifically "on and in". Which is a bit of a mystery as to what that could be.

Invisible RFID Ink Tattoos For Cattle, People

Somark Innovations announced bio-compatible RFID ink, which can be used to tattoo cattle and laboratory rats and can be read through animal hair. This is a passive RFID technology that contains no metals; the tattoos themselves can be colored or invisible.

The Somark ID System creates a "bio-compatible ink tattoo with chipless RFID functionality." The RFID ink tattoo does not require line of sight to be read, as is the case with other RFID devices (making them better than a barcode for some applications).

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Somark Innovations co-founder Mark Pydynowski noted that the RFID ink is fully biocompatible and was safe for use in humans. He noted that RFID ink tattoos could be used to track and rescue soldiers. He remarked "It could help identify friends or foes, prevent friendly fire, and help save soldiers' lives." Readers should note that VeriChip tags for patients are FDA approved and VeriChip tags have been proposed for immigrants.

I can't tell you how much I appreciate this new technology. I don't know about you, but it's really annoying when your ear tag falls off, and you have to go back to Homeland Security to get another one. Colored RFID tattoos can be done attractively, as well; ear tags are frankly kind of dorky-looking. Even better, now we can all be tagged invisibly, which should take care of all the liberal belly-aching about having a permanent national ID number for everyone. (This paragraph brought to you by the Technovelgy Tinfoil Hat division.)

This technology reminds me of Jack Vance's spray-on conductive wire; it also makes you think about the other possibilities that having an ink that can be used to create a functioning circuit. You don't need to tattoo it; you could print it onto flexible surfaces, like the sleeve watch from the 1981 novel Dream Park.

Maybe now they can get that Dattoos skin circuit idea off the ground. Story Invisible RFID Ink Safe For Cattle And People (no word yet on how safe it is for democratic traditions) via VCTB.

http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/Science-Fiction-News.asp?NewsNum=906

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=119813.35
It's arrived. This is how they will try to chip us.

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The Incredible Shrunken Kids
Emily Sohn
June 9, 2004

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Eventually, nanotech could touch every part of our lives. There might be molecular motors and nanorobots that can build other nanomachines. In medicine, nanodevices could go inside the body to deliver drugs exactly where they need to go, monitor vital signs, or perform delicate operations. A nanoscale coating on glass could help turn the sun's energy into electricity. Nanotech could also help
make light bulbs more efficient.

Already, a company called Nano-Tex makes fabrics with different kinds of "molecular hooks" that can repel stains, eliminate wrinkles, or shed water. In the future, nanotech-enhanced clothes could respond to the weather to warm you up or cool you down.

The U.S. Navy is using nanotech coatings on their submarines to keep sea creatures off and reduce corrosion. Other nanomaterials could lead to lightweight airplanes and other types of equipment.

http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20040609/Feature1.asp

So, RFID ink & nanotech that alters your DNA structure.  All you have to do is agree to accept it to continue life as "normal".  No longer human? Explains the death of freewill through an altered central nervous system. These articles are several years old now....

[Rtruth]

Nope, it's "in"...

Rev 13:16  And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I can't seem to find the pic now, but it's the one that's white and a bit black, and there's 3 squares at 3 of the corners(I think) - I'm seeing this image everywhere I go. Stores, products, college campuses, even the new T-NIV bible(which is gender neutral concerning God) has it on the back of it. The name escapes of(the name of this image I'm seeing everywhere). Interesting that it has 3 little squares in it - just think about it for a sec...a square is a CUBE as well, right? There's SIX sides to a cube, right? So 3 cubes has 6, 6, and 6 sides to them respectively, right?

Again, name escapes me what they call this image, but if someone recalls, please post this image here. Thanks!

Maybe your right. In the NIV it says on and on. IN the kjv it says in and in. Ahhh, I should stop reading the NIV, I heard it's got a lot of new age crap in it.

[Dok]

Maybe your right. In the NIV it says on and on. IN the kjv it says in and in. Ahhh, I should stop reading the NIV, I heard it's got a lot of new age crap in it.

yes it does. the NIV is a counterfit Bible put out to deceive people. +

Amo 8:11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: 
Amo 8:12   And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it]. 

Kind of hard to believe this in a world of Bibles isnt it? NIV, NASB, NKJV The Message, bibles are all over the place and only 1 is singled out to NOT be used and is becoming very hard to find, so much so that their are now counterfits that claim to be the original, and that is the KJB. Find one, find a real one, and hold on to it. For it is the very words of God.

[sentinelscout]

There are many people out there that believe that the number of the beast is actually 616.

There is evidence that the number 666 was actually a miss-translation done many many years ago.


That being said, I still think that the number might be 666.

BUT i believe that the number is not really a number of a man, but the number OF MAN, and that the number represents OIL 666 CARBON BASED FUELS *Carbon * 6 electrons 6 Protons.

I believe revalations is based on the fact that oil is depleting, and since oil is the primary fuel (source of energy) we use in our society to feed ourselves / keep ourselves warm.... that our dependence on this fuel is the primary source of  our suffering, and that revelations predicts the events we are facing now (oil running out slowly).

Watch this video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WBiTnBwSWc&feature=player_embedded

It explains in simple terms why the economy is crashing and why monetary policy is failing.

The exponential system of lending money into existance only works so long as there is exponential growth in the economy (stuff being produced/jobs getting done).

Since fuel is getting tighter, jobs are getting tighter, so money is getting tighter, thus more and more people are jobless, homeless, broke, hungry, and dieing.

People are attacking this as a problem, they think simply throwing more imaginary money at the predicament is going to change the outcome.

The outcome is inevitable.
If we continue to depend on oil as our primary source of fuel, more than half the population will either adapt and use some alternative fuel, or simply die of starvation.

80% of the worlds population only exists today because oil makes it cheap and affordable to grow and transport food.

Energy = People, if we have 100 energy we have 100 people, if we have 70 energy and 100 people, either those 100 people all lose weight / dont expend that much energy, or 30 people will run out of energy (money) and starve.


Its just the laws of physics essentially playing out in our economy.

Its easier to imagine people as bacteria (im not trying to dehumanize people, its just the easiest way to look at the predicament), if you shove bacteria in a jar with a source of food, they will grow and grow and grow in numbers until the food supply is in high demand and short supply, at which point the bacteria will fight over whatever is left.
When food is abundant, bacteria multiply quickly, when food is scarce they multiply slowly.

The faster you multiply the faster you burn through your food, when the food runs out, everyone dies.


Its not even a problem of "not enough room" people say "the world is huge we can fit people everywhere, and that is true we have the physical volume of space to fit people, but that volume of space does not have enough viable FUEL to SUSTAIN us anymore atleast not with conventional oil based fuels.


Oil is great, if there was tons and tons of the stuff I would say GO FOR IT DRILL TILL WE RUN OUT OF STEEL TO MAKE DRILLS... BUT it seems that oil is approaching the point where it is no longer cost effective to gather, (its starting to take more energy to produce than it gives back) ... its losing its cost effectiveness.


We need to make a switch to natural gas and coal (shift more of our energy production to these fuel sources).

It will happen whether we want it to or not, the switch will be made we wont have a choice in the matter.

Its like we live in a balloon, the balloon is only 1/4th filled with food, the rest is air, there is room inside the balloon to grow, but the fuel to grow isn't there.

Todays logistics just don't work or make sense, think about it.... look at us we are driving food and water around the globe on giant ships burning oil instead of just growing locally, its a miracle the oil lasted while it did, we wasted all our fuel.


Socialism won't solve these problems, money is not energy, its supposed to represent STORED FUTURE ENERGY, and simply put the prospects of getting the expected amount of energy in the future are dwindling.

Money will continue to become worthless, and people will starve, unless we find a cheaper way to grow and transport food , heat , and energy and downsize living standards ACROSS THE BOARD.


If I was president, I would force our country to produce EVERYTHING locally.
I would withdraw our ENTIRE ARMY and put them here on our border OR INVADE MEXICO/SOUTH AMERICA for their resources (wood/oil/coal/gold/silver).

I would nationalize all the silver, and put in place the new modern version of the hoover damn (a solar mirror farm out in the desert reflecting sunlight onto a heat collection tower to boil water and operate turbines).

[Kilika]

BUT i believe that the number is not really a number of a man, but the number OF MAN, and that the number represents OIL 666 CARBON BASED FUELS *Carbon * 6 electrons 6 Protons.

That's an interesting take on it. There definately is some instances where the number comes up in the world in strange ways.

My background is in electronics and computer repair, so the "number of a man" has had special interest to me since I believe it relates to something digital. Computers are all about numbers, particularly 1's and 0's. Off or On. That's it, the basis for computing.

I too have heard of the 616 claim, but I don't buy it. Nothing about it fits.

[sentinelscout]

The bible just doesn't put it into a context.
"The number of a man", what number?
Area code maybe?
Date of birth?
Height?
Weight?
Trade Mark?
The number of his name translated/decoded by some strange system of numerical type of a thing?

[Kilika]

I hear ya! And no, there isn't an obvious description what that number is specifically. No doubt there is reason for it not being detailed, so I take it that it's nothing for believers to worry about. The unbelieving however is another story!

Consider that the whole world revolves around numbers, math, and we now use computers for everything these days, even identification purposes, and all of that means numbers in a computer.

Scripture says that we will be shown what we need to know, so no worries.

[global_fiefdom]

They are both numbers very important to computing, respectively.

One deals with limits and projections and the other deals with unusual constructs like Heptagons. I think.

There is unimaginable power in mathematics. But it is a very limiting power -- that's its magic.
Just like our own perception, there are limits to what such crude scratchings in the sand can capture.
It is very evil and presumptuous for the men behind all of these rogue ID technologies to think that they can "fit all the beauty and strangeness of it between the columns of a balance sheet".

Also, "They are using reason as a tool. Reason! It is no more reliable a tool than instinct, myth, or dream. But for them, it has the potential to be far more dangerous."

Frankly I am suprised all the religious nerds are down my throat all the time. LOL. It's like throwing an encyclopedia. Anyway.

616 is the 25th member of the Padovan sequence, coming after 265, 351, 465 (it is the sum of the first two of these). 616 is a polygonal number in four different ways: it is a heptagonal number, as well as 13-, 31- and 104-gonal.

It is also the sum of the squares of the factorials of 2,3,4. ie. (2!)^2 + (3!)^2 + (4!)^2 = 4+36+576=616.

The Roman numeral for 616, DCXVI, has exactly one occurrence of all symbols except for L whose value is less than 1000 (D=500, C=100, X=10, V=5, I=1).

616 ("six hundred and sixteen", or "six hundred sixteen" in American English) is believed by some to have been the original Number of the Beast in the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible.[1] Different early versions of the Book of Revelation gave different numbers, and 666 had been widely accepted as the original number. In 2005, however, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original.[2]

and i have a bridge to sell. or maybe they could be right. who knows @@


616 is part of Padovan sequence which is illustrated below and we see it in the Giza Pyramid/Sphinx spiral as well:

In the spiral, each triangle shares a side with two others giving a visual proof that the Padovan sequence also satisfies the recurrence relation

    P(n) = P(n − 1) + P(n − 5)

Starting from this, the defining recurrence and other recurrences as they are discovered, one can create an infinite number of further recurrences by repeatedly replacing P(m) by P(m − 2) + P(m − 3)

The Perrin sequence satisfies the same recurrence relations as the Padovan sequence, although it has different initial values. This is a property of recurrence relations.

The Perrin sequence can be obtained from the Padovan sequence by the following formula:

    \mathrm{Perrin}(n)=P(n+1)+P(n-10).\,

a Fibonacci spiral:





the ancients were NOT as stupid as many would have us believe.

[global_fiefdom]

can't edit so
here comes the 666 post (lol!):

Archimedes of Syracuse (Greek: Ἀρχιμήδης; c. 287 BC – c. 212 BC) was a Greek mathematician, physicist, engineer, inventor, and astronomer. Although few details of his life are known, he is regarded as one of the leading scientists in classical antiquity. Among his advances in physics are the foundations of hydrostatics, statics and an explanation of the principle of the lever. He is credited with designing innovative machines, including siege engines and the screw pump that bears his name. Modern experiments have tested claims that Archimedes designed machines capable of lifting attacking ships out of the water and setting ships on fire using an array of mirrors.[1]

Archimedes is generally considered to be the greatest mathematician of antiquity and one of the greatest of all time.[2][3] He used the method of exhaustion to calculate the area under the arc of a parabola with the summation of an infinite series, and gave a remarkably accurate approximation of pi.[4] He also defined the spiral bearing his name, formulae for the volumes of surfaces of revolution and an ingenious system for expressing very large numbers.

Archimedes died during the Siege of Syracuse when he was killed by a Roman soldier despite orders that he should not be harmed. Cicero describes visiting the tomb of Archimedes, which was surmounted by a sphere inscribed within a cylinder. Archimedes had proven that the sphere has two thirds of the volume and surface area of the cylinder (including the bases of the latter), and regarded this as the greatest of his mathematical achievements.

2/3 in decimal form is .666 repeating.

Chaos theory, limits, the world brain, weather warfare, it all goes back to this guy (or farther!)



But SHOULD we move the world from its place?

..    On the Sphere and the Cylinder (two volumes)

    In this treatise addressed to Dositheus, Archimedes obtains the result of which he was most proud, namely the relationship between a sphere and a circumscribed cylinder of the same height and diameter. The volume is 4⁄3πr3 for the sphere, and 2πr3 for the cylinder. The surface area is 4πr2 for the sphere, and 6πr2 for the cylinder (including its two bases), where r is the radius of the sphere and cylinder. The sphere has a volume two-thirds that of the circumscribed cylinder. Similarly, the sphere has an area two-thirds that of the cylinder (including the bases). A sculpted sphere and cylinder were placed on the tomb of Archimedes at his request. .

His tomb is among the most famous in the world. But unless memory fails me, his bones never left it.
Christ's tomb stands empty because the accomplishment of his life was life itself.
All things good come from Christ.
The discoverer is not the creator, the discoverer is like the wind, driven by other forces, passing by a world barely comprehensible before being forced through another cycle.
The only way to get off the wheel is to free oneself from the cares of the world through love.
And God is love.
I hope He has made a good way out of this mess.

Why does our world kill the beautiful things first?

[adissenter2]

carbon

[sentinelscout]

carbon

Yea I think its carbon, its just a simple way of looking at it, because carbon essentially is the root of all our problems.

[Rtruth]

We wouldn't be talking right now on here if it weren't for oil. Get real.

[adissenter2]

how many electrons, protons & neutrons are in carbons make up?   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-12

is not man a carbon based life form?

is not the alleged new global currency going to be carbon based?

[Jordan]

I may be paranoid but i am seeing 666 in signs, in our local shopping centre there is a 666 as clear as day in the main sign as you enter.

Is this a joke or something more sinister?

It's not literal - the mark of the Beast is far less easy to find even though it's right in everyones face they can't see it. There's a portion of your brain (amygdala) that is responsible for things like this. For example if you have a new Blue Toyota camery , your amygdala working on you by pointing out any other Toyota Camery's you pass by. It's also responsible for "gut feelings".

You probably are just waking up to many things in the world right now and none of it is any good so your amygdala is having a little fun with you as it often will.

[sentinelscout]

The evil of oil is that it allows man to live beyond their means, it allows for rapid population growth, it forces advancement too quickly.

Think about it, since man kind has found oil, the population has EXPLODED, what goes up, must come down.... when the oil runs out the population will fall down to about what it was BEFORE oil was discovered, not because theres no room for people, but because THERE SIMPLY WONT BE ANY FUEL TO MOVE ALL THE FOOD/GROW ALL THE FOOD and FEED everyone.


Living standards will decrease, population will decrease, economies will shrink, nations will got to war over the scraps of civilization, the last of our resources will essentially go into destroying ourselves over the last bits of scraps.

All because of oil and how it has shaped our society.
We are dependent on the beast, "they will not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast" the mark is OIL.
Without oil we would not be able to trade / global commerce.
They shall receive the mark of the beast on their right hand or in their forehead.... only thing I can think of is oils for church (when we go to church they try and put oil on you in the shape of a cross (hands/head)... also ash Wednesday, the carbon ash on their foreheads.... eventually there might even be a chip or "mark" to track our carbon foot prints (through purchases / expenditures etc.).

Theres tons of things it could be... but most of them atleast for me are symbolic of the "mark" oil has left on humanity, we are all essentially the BYPRODUCT of OIL.

We must cleans ourselves of our dependance on oil / carbon fuels, the only problem is that its incredibly hard to do without causing a lot of INSTANT suffering for billions.

I don't care what anyone thinks, the charts don't lie , its getting harder and harder to get oil out of the ground, the day is coming where oil will no longer be a viable source of energy due to the expense/energy required to get it out of the ground, when we are spending zillions just to pull out 12 hours of oil for the world... that should be a red flag.



I was thinking about converting my house to solar room by room slowly.

[global_fiefdom]

The answer to the fuel problem is not simply ceasing use, but moderating use.
This can be achieved best NOT by driving prices up and restricting supply, but by making existing designs more efficient.

There are many motors, even internal combustion style engines, which use so much less fuel.
But less fuel means less growth for seeker-sellers like BP/HB/Standard oil children etc!

They get some of their shit so cheaply but still inflate it all to hell.
We live in a world fouled by paperwork and numbers and vague statistics.
If only human energy as a whole was directed toward bettering and preserving life,
and not gain at all costs (horrific spiritual cost!!),
the world could sustain any number of people because she would be happy to.
But when life is miserable it is a gall to nature.

[Jordan]

The bible just doesn't put it into a context.
"The number of a man", what number?
Area code maybe?
Date of birth?
Height?
Weight?
Trade Mark?
The number of his name translated/decoded by some strange system of numerical type of a thing?

In the Bible the number 6 has been associated with the enemies of God the reason why is because the number 7 stands for completeness from God’s standpoint. The statement that is made is showing several things to the reader. It's a mans number , meaning it's not of a spirit person. It helps to confirm that the Beast is earthly. In both Daniel and Revelation the Beasts are indentified as world powers, which are human governments. 666 or six to the third degree really just indicates gross imperfection, by missing the mark (777) 3 times. Just showing what a complete failure in measuring up to Gods standards.


The beasts are indentified in Daniel and Revelation they are kings and kingdoms of the earth in the past through to this day, or world political powers and their leaders, be that military or financial elite. They rule supreme under the name-number 666, while big politics, big religion and big businesses keep that wild beast functioning as an oppressor of mankind and persecutor of God's people.


When God gave Israel the Law, he told them: "you must apply these words of mine to your heart and your soul and bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they must serve as a frontlet band between your eyes."

This meant that the Israelites had to keep that Law constantly before them, so that it influenced all their actions and thoughts. The Holy ones are said to have the Father's name and that of Jesus written on their foreheads. This identifies them as belonging to God and Jesus Christ. In an imitation, Satan uses the demonic mark of the Beast. Anybody engaged in everyday activities such as buying and selling is pressured to do things the way the Beast does, for example, during some holidays people are expected to worship the Beast, letting it rule their lives so as to receive it's mark.

Money makes you a slave and can give you the mark very easily, in fact you can't buy or sell without it, just like it says in Revelation. As soon as you try and break off from the system, like the FED they punish you and make things dificult for you or make it so that you can't buy or sell. You are pressured into following the Beast and doing what it does to survive.

Those who refuse to accept the mark of the Beast have constant problems. In some countires (and maybe this one now) Totalitarian governments would throw you in to concentration camps because you did not go along with their way of doing things, like the NWO will shortly do to you here. But this has been happening for a long time, it's nothing really new.

Yesterday the Beast made it easy to put you in camps for not worshiping it. If you don't do as they say, go along with them and take their mark by doing so, you will be abused, falsely imprisioned , possibly tortured and killed. You will not be a functioning part of their society and will not be able to partake in it's design. You literally will not be able to buy or sell anything, and anything you own will be taken away from you.

This happens now in other countries for not buying political party cards and it's really no different here. It's really very simple and that is why it's so dangerous, you cant see the forest throught the trees in this case.

People are looking for digital implants, tattoos, catholic papacy, numberology, Nero, Diocletian etc... and like that theif in the night it's already on them without them even knowing it. They have nanochips so small you can barely see them, they don't need to RFID you then can inject it in you and you wouldn't even know it or put it in your GMO and let you absorb it, or chemtrail so you breath it like morgellens outbreaks.

"the mark" is symbolic of accepting the way of the Beast or worldly political system and rejecting God's purpose. This seems like it's just too easy, but it's so easy it has you looking in the wrong direction for what it really means. In the meantime people reject God's kingdom to follow the beast all the time and don't even know it. Nationalism, Patriotism are forms of worship as with past empires and nations.

As time goes on it's going to get harder and harder to reject the Beast (you can see the new laws that strip you of your rights everyday).

[feellikemore_dot_com]

lol, i love you guys. the replys to this post got f'n rediculous, but in an amazing way. =)

A historical account of the term 666 is that it was John the Elder's refering to Nero, but he didn't want to write his name and loose his head.
People use the idea of the antichrist to create an anti-hero. There is power in that alone, but obvious many believe a spiritual power.
the one announced in revelations was not named the anti christ.

but none of these means that it doesn't surround us. Just like the all seeing eye. just like the cross.
they;re all signs to impose various messages of oppression.

Look up Michael Tsarion and symbols. We in the west ARE symbolically illiterate, and we suffer greatly because of it.

[Jordan]

lol, i love you guys. the replys to this post got f'n rediculous, but in an amazing way. =)

A historical account of the term 666 is that it was John the Elder's refering to Nero, but he didn't want to write his name and loose his head.
People use the idea of the antichrist to create an anti-hero. There is power in that alone, but obvious many believe a spiritual power.
the one announced in revelations was not named the anti christ.

but none of these means that it doesn't surround us. Just like the all seeing eye. just like the cross.
they;re all signs to impose various messages of oppression.

Look up Michael Tsarion and symbols. We in the west ARE symbolically illiterate, and we suffer greatly because of it.

I'm not exactly sure what you are going by,  but Nero really has nothing to do with the beast described in revelation. Revelation actually tells you what it symbolizes - 7 heads 7 world powers and rulers.  It actually says that. The Antichrist is a class not an individual and they have been around for a long time, since Johns day. That also is in the bible. Not really much symbolism there cuz it's spelled out for ya.

But we do suffer greatly because of not being able to understand literal and symbolic - that is true.

[sentinelscout]

Sometimes I wonder, if it would just have been better to remain oblivious.

Who is more happy a slave thats aware of his / her own position, or a slave who thinks they are free?

I would say oblivious is bliss.

What good is it to know your a slave, when you are powerless to stop it.

We have so many systems of control being used against us.

Property taxes (gota always pay your rent to big brother or an army comes and takes your house)

Mortgages (gota pay your taxes to the mafia banks or they come and take your house and your wages for the rest of your life)

Victimless crimes/laws (Its now illegal to breath, 1000$ fine or we take your body and throw it in a 10x10 cell)

 Learning too much, buy a TV, cmon "its cool and you know you want to"

Eating too well? Healthy food is now expensive, die slowly like the rest of us... its fun.

Getting too angry about all this, Flouride in your water maybe a little lithium... don't  you feel "happy" hey how about some "football", you lose your job and your house? o well the good news is your favorite Team WON! wow!


I hate this society, I only wish for the strength to rip it down and build something nice.


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Maybe the beast is really what governments represent (mind control).

If it was Nero, then the image of nero or the idea of nero is exactly applicable today to modern society.

Our Government essentially does the same things Nero did, so what makes our govt any different from nero or "the beast".


I think all nation states are "beasts".

[global_fiefdom]

You gotta listen to some Iron Maiden,

they are a very tormented bunch of guys,

their music speaks very loudly of the conflict of unpleasant knowledge with the ability of a human to function.

At one point a song talks about the singer's dad scrying in a crystal ball to tell the future, and the dad sees his son burning in the lake of fire (LOOL).
Another song talks about a spiritual dream the singer had (or not) about a present-day Satan worshipping cabal who used the number of the beast during their ritual worship.

This can't go on
I must inform the law
Can this still be real
or just some crazy dream?
but I feel drawn
towards the chanting hordes
seem to mesmerise...can't avoid their eyes
6-6-6 the Number of the Beast
6-6-6 the one for you and me

[Jordan]

Sometimes I wonder, if it would just have been better to remain oblivious.

Who is more happy a slave thats aware of his / her own position, or a slave who thinks they are free?

I would say oblivious is bliss.

What good is it to know your a slave, when you are powerless to stop it.

We have so many systems of control being used against us.

Property taxes (gota always pay your rent to big brother or an army comes and takes your house)

Mortgages (gota pay your taxes to the mafia banks or they come and take your house and your wages for the rest of your life)

Victimless crimes/laws (Its now illegal to breath, 1000$ fine or we take your body and throw it in a 10x10 cell)

 Learning too much, buy a TV, cmon "its cool and you know you want to"

Eating too well? Healthy food is now expensive, die slowly like the rest of us... its fun.

Getting too angry about all this, Flouride in your water maybe a little lithium... don't  you feel "happy" hey how about some "football", you lose your job and your house? o well the good news is your favorite Team WON! wow!


I hate this society, I only wish for the strength to rip it down and build something nice.


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Maybe the beast is really what governments represent (mind control).

If it was Nero, then the image of nero or the idea of nero is exactly applicable today to modern society.

Our Government essentially does the same things Nero did, so what makes our govt any different from nero or "the beast".


I think all nation states are "beasts".

There's a scripture, Romans 8:22 that talks about "all creation groaning together" because of all the things that will be happening in the last days. Just like you and I.

And you are right all nations are beasts that is how the bible describes them to be also. The distinguishable feature would be that Nero isn't ruling the world today it's a Anglo / American world power. Who can beat her? Who can make war with her? There's a lot of people that worship her power and glamour. They worship what they think America once stood for or could be again.

Everyone here also as strong feelings for America, they don't see her as a beast , just America's rulers are bad or the elite that control America is bad, that's the trap that ends up marking you. Any kingdom aside from God kingdom will be destroyed and everyone will be on one side or the other.

Some think it is "real" patriots that will solve this problem and bring all these things to a end but will they if God has said they will not?

That's a strict religious projection straight from the bible. I'm sure a lot of people don't like that but it's interesting to me because, the same things keep happening over and over and people would rather look to "shape shifting aliens" then God. But then I guess it all seems odd to most. 

I don't think anyone is really asking the right questions.

[sentinelscout]

^ Good way of stating it.

So god wants us all as a people to form a nationless world governed only by the 10 commandments.

The odds of that happening are zero atm, so I guess god is coming back since hes the only one powerful enough to scare us out of nations.



Its really not fair though to pass judgement on people that have been born and raised into slavery.... think about it , your born shoved into school indoctrinated and brain washed to give pledge to a flag/ pledging your allegiance (worshiping the flag etc.. etc.. ).

Now, if Nero was the original beast of revelations... why didn't god come down and ... destroy him/apocalypse? / why aren't we enjoying 1000s of years of peace and prosperity?
0o? I dont think humanity has had 10 minutes of peace, never mind 1000 years.

[global_fiefdom]

There's a scripture, Romans 8:22 that talks about "all creation groaning together" because of all the things that will be happening in the last days. Just like you and I.

And you are right all nations are beasts that is how the bible describes them to be also. The distinguishable feature would be that Nero isn't ruling the world today it's a Anglo / American world power. Who can beat her? Who can make war with her? There's a lot of people that worship her power and glamour. They worship what they think America once stood for or could be again.

Everyone here also as strong feelings for America, they don't see her as a beast , just America's rulers are bad or the elite that control America is bad, that's the trap that ends up marking you. Any kingdom aside from God kingdom will be destroyed and everyone will be on one side or the other.

Some think it is "real" patriots that will solve this problem and bring all these things to a end but will they if God has said they will not?

That's a strict religious projection straight from the bible. I'm sure a lot of people don't like that but it's interesting to me because, the same things keep happening over and over and people would rather look to "shape shifting aliens" then God. But then I guess it all seems odd to most.  

I don't think anyone is really asking the right questions.

John on Patmos was told by his angel,
"the book will taste like honey in thy mouth
but will make thy belly bitter"

people like to talk about the end,
but once it really sinks in,
you feel very sick.
that is why we need living water and the bread of life.
our life is renewed by the HS and we mount up "with wings as eagles".

[Jordan]

^ Good way of stating it.

So god wants us all as a people to form a nationless world governed only by the 10 commandments.

I would say he wants us to follow Jesus because that is the only way to him and over time - we will return to perfection.

The odds of that happening are zero atm, so I guess god is coming back since hes the only one powerful enough to scare us out of nations.

Its really not fair though to pass judgement on people that have been born and raised into slavery.... think about it , your born shoved into school indoctrinated and brain washed to give pledge to a flag/ pledging your allegiance (worshiping the flag etc.. etc.. ).

God's people have been slaves a long time and that really hasn't stopped the faithful from following him. That in fact is the way to true freedom. But you are right we don't judge, in the end it will be God that judges the heart of men individually. However, the bible says that his word would be preached to all the Nations and then the end would come. So I think I can safely say that Christianity as touched almost every nation that I can think of and every continent on the planet. And he as warned us to "get out of her" and "be no part of this world" because it could cost us our life. It's not easy to do, but you have to put Gods things in front of mans things. It is the most important thing you can do right now. 

Before there was people following the "9/11 truth" movement, a long time ago there was another truth movement that a man named Jesus started - technically, Christians have been trying to open peoples eyes to these events happening a lot longer then infowars or anyone else.

To me the "truth movement" is a partial awakening to the events of bible prophecy and just like in the "truth movement" many sheeple will not wake up in time to save themselves,  so too on a higher level many of those in the truth movement will not wake up in time to the bigger picture and with similar results.

Now, if Nero was the original beast of revelations... why didn't god come down and ... destroy him/apocalypse? / why aren't we enjoying 1000s of years of peace and prosperity?
0o? I dont think humanity has had 10 minutes of peace, never mind 1000 years.

Exactly -- Nero was ruler for a short time and he was controlling the 6th head on the beast - the Roman world empire. Now we have the 7th head for a short time.

[UKgaz1969]

To add to the original post i did a bit more looking around.

The school that is literally on the same site as the shopping centre is called Ormiston which i discovered translates as "Serpent town" or "Snake farm."

The school logo is a six pointed (star of david) satanic sybol.

I couldn't make this stuff up, check it out. I actually wnt to that school and always wondered why it felt like hell

[global_fiefdom]

To add to the original post i did a bit more looking around.

The school that is literally on the same site as the shopping centre is called Ormiston which i discovered translates as "Serpent town" or "Snake farm."

The school logo is a six pointed (star of david) satanic sybol.

I couldn't make this stuff up, check it out. I actually wnt to that school and always wondered why it felt like hell

Heh!

That really sucks!

It's like where the Death Eaters from Harry Potter set up camp, eh?
By the way this man isn't lying to you:

Orm (in Old Norse and in modern Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and Nynorsk the word for "snake", "worm" or "dragon") became an Anglo-Saxon personal name during period of the Danelaw. It may refer to:

    Orm, the author of the 12th-century Ormulum
    the commissioner of the Kirkdale sundial
    the Ocean Master, a DC Comics supervillain and half-brother to Aquaman


hey, is this the same Ormston as shown in the movie? DId you know that Freemasons and Satanists draw Christians up as Donkey headed scholars because of their "spiritual" rather than "practical" knowledge?

Plot Summary for
"Born and Bred" The Miracle of Ormston (2003)

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Certain villagers with psychosomatic disorders believe that a statue of a donkey in the vicar's attic sale has magic powers, 'curing' them when they touch it. Amy Faulkner,whose young son Stuart is in a wheelchair after contracting tubercolosis, takes him to the church to touch it but her husband James,who has arranged to send the boy to see a specialist in Manchester,is angry and smashes the statue. Inside is a medieval map of the heavens and Stuart and Michel,both amateur astronomers, use it to run off and try to view a comet due to enter the Earth's orbit. The villagers send out a search party and James and his son are reconciled as the comet appears.Jean is given 'Pygmalion' style lessons in etiquette by Phyllis and Deborah in order to get her a job with antiques dealer Freddie McClintock. Freddie is impressed but Jean turns the job down as she does not want to leave Ormston after all. Written by don @ minifie-1

Ormston House in Long Island a Replica of Urmston Old Hall?


Aldred Estate, see the front of the manor?


Urmston Old Hall (Aerial View of Ormston House, The Aldred Estate at Lattingtown, New York)

Urmston Old Hall was the home of the manorial lord, and a centre of power in the area during the Middle Ages. The Old Hall was completely rebuilt in brick and timber in the late 16th century. New Croft Hall, also in Urmston, was the residence of a wealthy freeman and may have been moated. Urmston was only one of three manors in Trafford to have had two medieval halls, the others being Hale and Timperley. Neither of the halls has survived to the present day.[6]

Servants of Leviathan?

        The sea-ormen, the sea snake, Serpens marinus magnus, called by some in this country the Aale Tust, is a wonderful and terrible sea-monster, which extremely deserves to be taken notice of. This creature, particularly in the North Sea, continually keeps himself in the bottom of the water, except in the months of July and August, which is their spawning time, and then they come to the surface in calm weather, but plunge into the water again as soon as the wind raises the least wave.

         

        The word orme is an Old Norse word for sea serpent, transliterated to urm or orm.

Sea Monsters Unmasked is a booklet written in 1883 by Henry Lee for the International Fisheries Exhibition in London. In it he writes of a sea serpent seen in Norway on July 28,

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Orme is also a word for the shape of the outcroppings the Norse saw from their ships coming home.
It looked like a giant snake.