Who IS That Cute Little Owl in All the Pictures? Legend of Anzu & Luciferians!

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from wikipedia (please scroll to bottom for "swastika is the penis of shiva"):

Miguel Serrano (10 September 1917 – 28 February 2009) was a Chilean diplomat, explorer and author of poetry, books on spiritual questing and Esoteric Nazism. Serrano's anti-modernist neo-Gnostic philosophy claims to elucidate the extraterrestrial origin of the Hyperborean-descended Aryan race, image-bearers of the godhead, and postulates a global conspiracy against them by an evil inferior godlet: the Demiurge, worshipped by the Jews, lord of planet Earth, spawner of the primitive hominid stocks, and author of all base materiality.

Serrano synthesized interpretations of Hindu and Nordic traditions, both of which he considers to be of ancient Aryan-Hyperborean provenance. He is especially indebted to the Jungian theory of collective racial archetypes and follows Savitri Devi in recognizing Adolf Hitler as an avatar who battled against the demonic materialistic hosts of the Kali Yuga.

Serrano termed his philosophy Esoteric Hitlerism, which he has described as a new religious faith "able to change the materialistic man of today into a new idealistic hero", and also as "much more than a religion: it is a way to transmute a hero into God."[citation needed]

In 1984 he published his 643-page tome, Adolf Hitler, el Último Avatãra (Adolf Hitler: The Last Avatar), which is dedicated "To the glory of the Führer, Adolf Hitler". In this arcane work Serrano unfolds his ultimate philosophical testament through elaborate esoteric and mythological symbolism.[11][12] He insists that there has been a vast historical conspiracy to conceal the origins of evolved humankind. Serrano's epic vista opens with extragalactic beings who founded the First Hyperborea, a terrestrial but nonphysical realm which was neither geographically limited nor bound by the circles of reincarnation. The Hyperboreans were asexual and reproduced through "plasmic emanations" from their ethereal bodies; the Vril power was theirs to command, the light of the Black Sun coursed through their veins and they saw with the Third Eye. Serrano contends that the last documents relating to them were destroyed along with the Alexandrian Library, and that latterly these beings have been misunderstood as extraterrestrials arriving in spaceships or UFOs. However, the First Hyperborea was immaterial and altogether outside our mechanistic universe.[13][14]

Part of the post from DUMBS/Project Jason thread:

You want to know something about Project Jason?
They are looking for Atlantis and other technologically useful finds.
They are looking for keys to how the ancients lived and died.
They are looking for the keys to unlocking the secret to eternal life as well,
and for ammunition in the war against the truth on global warming.
Jason is a huge funding source for covert Illuminati discovery trips, for experimental work,
and to justify the carbon tax.

Kids facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/TheJASONProject?v=wall
official site: (won't load for me) www.jasonproject.org

The name for Apple and Sheep in his time was about the same -- and the word that opens the door in LOTR to Moria -- "Melon", "friend".

"Speak 'friend' and enter".
"Speak 'Melon' and enter".

Who was Jason?

Lilith and Medea similar -- influence over the "Sun God"

I read the original ritual (mystery or w/e?) re: the meaning of the fleece was lost and only the oral tradition of the heroes maintains real significance to the masses.
We know better, that the golden apples and the golden fleece might mean the same thing: the knowledge and power of the gods. They both hang in trees in the center of a grove.

From another site: http://www.lundyisleofavalon.co.uk/mythology/golden%20apple.htm

Here is a better bit from his site:

The adventures of Jason and the Argonauts and their search for the Golden Fleece would appear to be yet another legend concerning a heroic quest for a golden apple. The Greek word for sheep - 'melon'-  can also mean apple. 'The Golden Fleece' could also mean 'The Golden Apple.'  The adventures of Jason in Colchis are seen to be almost identical with that of Hercules in the Hesperides and also with that of Siegfried. All three fight a serpent dragon. The prize a golden treasure.

Conspiracy_center's pics showed Lilith holding the golden apple (!).
If you read the crappy White Wolf roleplay you will find lots of Lilith junk too.
She supposedly was the first human to understand the hidden knowledge and rules (physics?) of science and magic.
Whatever, lol.

Jason (Ancient Greek: Ἰάσων, Iásōn) was an ancient Greek mythological hero who was famous for his role as the leader of the Argonauts and their quest for the Golden Fleece. He was the son of Aeson, the rightful king of Iolcus. He was married to the sorceress Medea.

Jason appeared in various literature in the classical world of Greece and Rome, including the epic poem Argonautica and tragedy, Medea. In the modern world, Jason has emerged as a character in various adaptations of his myths, such as the 1963 film Jason and the Argonauts and the 2000 TV miniseries of the same name.

Jason has connections outside of the classical world, as he is seen as being the mythical founder of the city of Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia.

Lilith and Medea similar -- influence over the "Sun God"

Let's pick up the epithet: «She who knows God by his name». Isis... and also Lilith. Taking the Lilith story from this approach, we understand better the nature of the secret agreement of the demoness with YHVH, the influence on him provided by her knowledge of his true name. And, as we compared the fleeing of Lilith with the one of Medea, it will not be out of point to recall how Medea flees also with the help of her relative, the Sun God, which is the grandfather of the great lineage of witches (Medea, Circe) which brighten up the life of Greek heroes.

Treachery of Jason

In Corinth, Jason became engaged to marry Creusa (sometimes referred to as Glauce), a daughter of the King of Corinth, to strengthen his political ties. When Medea confronted Jason about the engagement and cited all the help she had given him, he retorted that it was not she that he should thank, but Aphrodite who made Medea fall in love with him. Infuriated with Jason for breaking his vow that he would be hers forever, Medea took her revenge by presenting to Creusa a cursed dress, as a wedding gift, that stuck to her body and burned her to death as soon as she put it on. Creusa's father, Creon, burned to death with his daughter as he tried to save her. Then Medea killed the two boys that she bore to Jason, fearing that they would be murdered or enslaved as a result of their mother's actions. When Jason came to know of this, Medea was already gone; she fled to Athens in a chariot sent by her grandfather, the sun-god Helios.

Later Jason and Peleus, father of the hero Achilles, attacked and defeated Acastus, reclaiming the throne of Iolcus for himself once more. Jason's son, Thessalus, then became king.

As a result of breaking his vow to love Medea forever, Jason lost his favor with Hera and died lonely and unhappy. He was asleep under the stern of the rotting Argo when it fell on him, killing him instantly. The manner of his death was due to the deities cursing him for breaking his promise to Medea.

WHOA look at the Sig rune on this book about immortality: might show you who is behind Project JASON:

Creepy excerpt from occult Nazi book shown above:

The recovery of the original Purity will solely be made possible in the Garden of Eden, the same Polar Garden of the Hesperides, the Garden of Asgard, where the original Tree of the Golden Apples stood, with the Gral, the Golden Fleece. It is the Yggdrasil Tree of Wotan and the Column of Adam Kadmon, whom ate solely of the Golden Apples, whom a Soror Mystica (Mystical Sister) was offered to him, drinking and eating of the Alchemical Gold, the Liquid Gold, which makes him able to straighten his Column and recover Immortality, and Divine Integrity, the transmutation of Adam into Lucifer. And it is Lilith-Medea and not Eve who makes possible the activation of the Serpent Kundalini by giving him the "Poisonous" Golden Apple and being able, once again to be a God or even more than a God.

He has eaten the Flesh and drank the Blood of the God, of the Gral.

It becomes easy to understand that the Demiurge, being worthy to his Servants, the Jews and the Christians, has tried to destroy the records and tracks of the Regal Ars, by falsifying Revelations and Documents, up to the point that they tried to assassinate a Child-God of the East. In truth, it is them who murdered all the children at the beginning of the Age of Pisces, from the fear that a Hero-God might overthrow the Kingdom of the Demiurge, of Yahweh-Jehovah.

Hercules stealing golden apples.

Ok I think this whole f**king golden apple thing is just a perversion of what happened to Adam,
and is still offered as bait to occultists stupid or immoral enough to pursue eternal life in their present fallen state.
Personally I think eternal life as a flawed, murderous, greedy, limited creature is the worst idea ever conceived.

And if project Jason succeeds, the "winners" with their "breakthrough" will suffer more than anyone.
What could be worse than Hell on earth, after all? Not being able to die??

If you've read Blade of the Immortal or Anne Rice novels you know that life can be worse than death.
And because of this misery of immortality, the rest of the living is disturbed and life's cycle is disrupted.
The dead need to leave the energy of the living alone,
they need not lure our interest and worship with their lies and promises of godhood and eternal life.
The "god" cannot even save themselves.

Neon Genesis Evangelion has Lilith and Adam mythos in it:


Hoot hoot!

NOAA involved with Project JASON:

One of the Jason projects = seafloor research

The Jason Project was founded in 1989 by Dr. Robert D. Ballard, the oceanographer and explorer who discovered the shipwreck of RMS Titanic. This prompted thousands of kids to write him letters, asking to join his next expedition. Technology was the way The Jason Project made that happen.

Backed by National Geographic, this interactive and immersive site connects students with great explorers and great events to inspire and motivate them to learn science. The award-winning curricula embed cutting-edge research from NASA, NOAA, the U.S. Department of Energy, the National Geographic Society and other leading organizations and allow leading scientists to work side by side with JASON students.


Check this out:

Saturday, March 27, 2010

For example, The Operation: Resilient Planet game empowers school-aged-children as they travel to some of the most unique underwater ecosystems in the planet and gather cutting -edge data about some of the planet’s most vulnerable creatures. Kids use fun, exciting, and authentic tools like remotely operated vehicles and “Crittercams” to assemble an understanding about some of the most endangered marine species in the world. Together with close collaboration with some of National Geographic’s leading ecologists, players uncover groundbreaking ecological theories that have only recently emerged in scientific journals.
The first mission occurs in the Gulf of Mexico. Explosives on an oil platform are in the process of being placed and time is running out. Below the surface of the waves, many species must be protected, and Dr. Bob Ballard (the discoverer of the Titanic, who does the voice acting in the game) is asking for help to save the turtles.


No more kids' games: JASON IV TEAM


The JASON VII team will use NR-1, the Navy's nuclear submarine, to map ancient coral reefs. One of these reefs, the "hump," has never been explored before.

The NR-1 is a compact, nuclear-powered, electric-drive undersea research and ocean engineering submarine. Her operation depth encompasses all of the continental shelves and much of the continental slopes, while her nuclear power plant provides a far greater endurance than any other research submarine.

The NR-1 is capable of ocean search missions such as locating and identifying objects or ships lost at sea, and in situ examination and recording of ocean topographic and geological features. The ship is equipped and has the capacity for work near or on the seabed, performing sample gathering, recovery, implantation, or repair of objects in the ocean. The installed equipment can be supplemented by scientist-supplied sensors to conduct experiments and obtain knowledge of the ocean's chemical, thermal, optical, biological, and acoustical characteristics.

Jason project behind Global Warming Hoax?

Eternal Life, isn't a secret!


SWASTIKA = Penis of Shiva ?!?!?!?!?!? LOLOLOL

The Power Of Swastika
/photo.cms?msid=1018079 The Swastika is the most famous mystical symbol of power being used in the ancient eastern world for over 3000 years. Modern times remember it as the symbol of Nazi Germany and their persecution of the Jews. In 1920, Adolf Hitler reversed it and used it on the flag, as the official emblem of the Nazi Party.

Even he was a bit surprised by the impact it had on people. It is undoubtedly one of the most effective political symbols ever devised. Traditionally this is supposed to give the symbol a 'black magic' sort of power. Hitler demanded that the Nazi Swastika point 'clock-wise', which to Buddhists signifies 'cessation' or 'away from God'.

Adolf Hitler used the Swastika in the reverse way on the left shoulder to gain power through his evil deeds, just as the reverse of the Holy number 999 is number 666, which is the number of the Beast, the anti Christ. It’s used in China as wan, as Fylfot in Britain, as Hakenkreuz in Germany and as tetraskelion in Greece. Swastika in Sanskrit means 'su' (good), 'asti' (to be) and ‘ka’ a suffix. It also means 'well-being,' 'auspicious' - the perennial symbol of good fortune, a symbol of Lord Vishnu's discus, the Jaina cross, the Buddhist 'wheel of the Law'.

The Dalai Lama's throne is always decorated with four Swastikas. Before execution of the last Russian Czar in 1917, the Romanoff girls embroidered lucky swastikas on fabric before their deaths by the Bolsheviks. In Bali, Shiva's lingam (penis) is a Swastika. Occult Swastikas include Theosophists, Rosicrucians, Masons, Golden Dawn, Pythagorus, Madame Blavatsky, Krishnamurti, and Aliester Crowley who claimed Hitler stole the Swastika from him. The right hand (clockwise) Swastika is used by these religions which practice ahimsa (non-violence) since ancient times. It should never be mistaken as the left-hand (counterclockwise) Swastika.

Rudyard Kipling used it in his books until 1933. In Hindu ceremonies Swastika is worshipped as the symbol of Ganesha and is marked along with the sign of Navagrahas. Found on the genital shields of aboriginal Brazilian women, Greek priestesses branded Swastikas on their arms. Goddess figures dug up at ancient Troy by Dr. Schliemann have Swastikas on the vulva. Romans took the Swastika with them on their march across Europe. Incidentally in Sanskrit the term Swasta means calm or peaceful.

The Theosophical Society adapted the seal with the Swastika from H P Blavatsky's personal seal in 1875. One can use the magical power of Swastika for one's personal benefit by energizing it in a proper way in a proper metal combination and in a right nakshatra. In numerology, those born under fate numbers 1, 3 and 9 can use it to their advantage if the Sun is positioned well in the birth chart.

Shiva's Penis and the Obeslisk
The Cock of the Destroyer
Or the Great Sun-Doom Penis of Nuclear Bomb Worship, Shiva

The Lingam (also, Linga, Ling, Shiva linga, Shiv ling, Sanskrit लिङ्गं liṅgaṃ, meaning "mark" or "sign") is a representation of the Hindu deity Shiva used for worship in temples.[1]

An interpretation suggests that the Lingam represents the beginningless and endless Stambha pillar, symbolizing the infinite nature of Shiva.[2][3] According to another interpretation, the Lingam has also been considered a symbol of male creative energy or of the phallus.[4][5] The lingam is often represented with the Yoni, a symbol of the goddess or of Shakti, female creative energy.[4] The union of lingam and yoni represents the "indivisible two-in-oneness of male and female, the passive space and active time from which all life originates".[6] The lingam and the yoni have been interpreted as the male and female sexual organs since the end of the 19th century by some scholars, while to practising Hindus they stand for the inseparability of the male and female principles and the totality of creation.[7]

An obelisk (from Greek ὀβελίσκος - obeliskos,[1] diminutive of ὀβελός - obelos, "spit, nail, pointed pillar"[2]) is a tall, four-sided, narrow tapering monument which ends in a pyramid-like shape at the top, and is said to resemble a petrified ray of the sun-disk. A pair of obelisks usually stood in front of a pylon. Ancient obelisks were often monolithic, whereas most modern obelisks are made of several stones and can have interior spaces.

The term stele (plural: stelae) is generally used for other monumental standing inscribed sculpted stones.

This is the album cover of Powerslave. Note where the door is in the statue. In the genital region, lol.

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Books about Fighting Back against Organized Evil -- (BlackSun and the Drow)
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2011, 03:09:33 PM »
'K you guys ready to laugh? I wanted to point out the unlikely but startling similarities between a popular fantasy hero's struggle against racism and hatred and the struggle of ex-Nazis to survive alongside "real" fellow humans... wikipedia actually says that Drizz't was intended by Salvatore an an anti-racist character, and who would be the best group to leave if you were writing an anti-racist book? The Nazi cult, of course!

R.A. Salvatore writes books for D&D campaigns. His most famous character, if I am not mistaken, is Drizz't the drow.

Drizz't Do'Urden, the drow (or dark elf), from the subterranean city Menzoberranzan.

from WIkipedia:

Menzoberranzan, the City of Spiders, is a fictional city-state in the world of the Forgotten Realms, a Dungeons & Dragons campaign setting. It is located in the Upper Northdark, about two miles below the Surbrin Vale, between the Moonwood and the Frost Hills. It is famed as the birthplace of Drizzt Do'Urden, the protagonist of several series of best-selling novels by noted fantasy author R. A. Salvatore.

Lolth is a fictional goddess in the Dungeons and Dragons fantasy role-playing game. Lolth (Lloth in the drow dialect), the Demon Queen of Spiders, is the chief goddess of drow elves. She is also known as the Spider Queen and the Queen of the Demonweb Pits.[1]

Drizzt Do'Urden's stories are set in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting for Dungeons & Dragons.[2] The character has been a mainstay for author R. A. Salvatore, appearing in his novels for over 20 years. Drizzt is a drow who acts against the drow stereotype, favoring friendship and peace over hatred and violence. His unusual personality creates the conflict that allows Salvatore to create so many novels with stories about courage and friendship.[3] Drizzt fights the dark traits that are inherent in the drow.[4]

Salvatore uses Drizzt to represent issues of racial prejudice, particularly in The Dark Elf Trilogy. For instance, Drizzt is concerned that if he and his love Cattie-Brie (a human) have children, their offspring will face hostility from both races.[5] Drizzt is also troubled by the lifespan discrepancy between himself and Cattie-Brie.[6]

So what?
We got DriZZ't Do'Urden, ZZ Zig Zig, Sig Sig
We got Lolth, Lilth, LILITH, (lol)
we got the light and darkness thing going on,
but the 'Nazi' drow are depicted as serving the moon/spider even though they think they are noble and better than the surface people.
These ""Vril" of D&D are caught in eternal darkness and can never enjoy the light without a change of heart.

And light in our world is love.

Game based on Drow:

LOL my autistic kid pooped all over his room BBL   :(   Ok poop stabilized.

From the page on Bohemian Grove Exposed:

The demon goddess Lilith is represented throughout history as an owl. A study of the demon goddess of Lilith will reveal the dark secrets behind the owl of Bohemian grove.

Few magickal orders exist dedicated to the undercurrent of Lilith and deal in initiations specifically related to the Aracana of the first Mother. Two reputable organizations that progressively use initiations and magick associated with Lilith are the Ordo Antichristianus Illuminati and the Order of Phosphorus. Author Joshua Seraphim has written three texts associated with the egregore of Lilith entitled "Rite of Lilith," "Confessionis ex Lilitu," and the "Lamentations of Lilith."


So if I understand this right,
Nazis believe that Kali Yuga or the Lilith spirit represents the "dark age" of Non-Nazi rule.
Her significance to them is a force to be enslaved and destroyed.
They are users, not builders.

So when they sacrifice in front of the owl statue, I am not sure what it means... this ritual should offend real Nazis.
There is a catch, or a contradiction here.
I think Nazis tell their young recruits that they aim to establish a realm of light and order,
but their true aim is barbarism and discord and destruction.
If the Alexandria library held secrets about the origins of the Norse and Vedics, surely the vikings would have known better than burn the accounts of their gods? Heh!

Anyhow, war doesn't solve much.
I think there is a difference between war and survival.
You don't have to love pain to get through it.
That's not the answer.

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I think their view can be summed up by a Buddhist idea:

Sun Worshippers actually worship the duality of male-female energy and creation, which they call "Yin-Yang".

from wiki:

In Asian philosophy, the concept of yin yang (simplified Chinese: 阴阳; traditional Chinese: 陰陽; pinyin: yīnyáng), which is often referred to in the West as "yin and yang", is used to describe how polar opposites or seemingly contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other in turn. Opposites thus only exist in relation to each other. The concept lies at the origins of many branches of classical Chinese science and philosophy, as well as being a primary guideline of traditional Chinese medicine,[1] and a central principle of different forms of Chinese martial arts and exercise, such as baguazhang, taijiquan (t'ai chi), and qigong (Chi Kung) and of I Ching divination. Many natural dualities—e.g. dark and light, female and male, low and high, cold and hot— are thought of as manifestations of yin and yang (respectively).

Yin yang are not opposing forces (dualities), but complementary opposites that interact within a greater whole, as part of a dynamic system. Everything has both yin and yang aspects as light cannot exist without darkness and vice-versa, but either of these aspects may manifest more strongly in particular objects, and may ebb or flow over time. The concept of yin and yang is often symbolized by various forms of the Taijitu symbol, for which it is probably best known in western cultures.

There is a perception (especially in the West) that yin and yang correspond to evil and good. However, Taoist philosophy generally discounts good/bad distinctions and other dichotomous moral judgments, in preference to the idea of balance. Confucianism (most notably the philosophy of Dong Zhongshu, c. the 2nd century BCE) did attach a moral dimension to the idea of yin and yang, but the modern sense of the term largely stems from Buddhist adaptations of Taoist philosophy.[2]

By rotating the Sun chart and positioning the Winter Solstice at the bottom, it will look like this . The light color area which indicates more sunlight is called Yang (Sun). The dark color area has less sunlight (more moonlight) and is called Yin (Moon). Yang is like man. Yin is like woman. Yang wouldn't grow without Yin. Yin couldn't give birth without Yang. Yin is born (begins) at Summer Solstice and Yang is born (begins) at Winter Solstice. Therefore one little circle Yin is marked on the Summer Solstice position. Another little circle Yang is marked on the Winter Solstice position. These two little circles look like two fish eyes.

The "solar year" of the calendar's time had very practically the
same length as our own, but, as shown symbolically by the sculpture, the
earth revolved more quickly then, making the Tiahuanacan year only 290 days,  divided into 12 "twelfths" of 94 days each, plus 2 intercalary days. Tilese  groupings (290, 24, 12, 2) are clearly and unmistakably shown in the
sculpture. The explanation of 290 versus 3651/4 days cannot be discussed

 At the time Tiahuanaco flourished the present moon was not yet
the companion ol our earth but was still an independent exterior planet.
There was another satellite moving around our earth then, rather close-5.9
terrestrial radii, center to center; our present moon being at 60 radii.
Because of its closeness it moved around the earth more quickly than our
planet rotated. Therefore it rose in the west and set in the east (like Mars'
 satellite Phobos), and so caused a great number of solar eclipses, 37 in
one "twelfth," or 447 in one "solar year " of course it caused an equal
number of satellite eclipses. These groupings (37, 447) are shown in the
sculpture, with many Corroborating cross-references. Different symbols show
 when these solar eclipses, which were of some duration, occurred: at
sunrise, at noon, at sunset

Keppler 22B


In order to qualify as a planet candidate, you need to see the star dim three times. First time, you know something happened but it might not have been a planet. Second time, pretty much same thing. Third time, you can say you have a planet candidate if the time between the first and second transit is the same as the time between the second and third transit. This pattern indicates the star is dimming with a regular period just like you would expect if a planet was orbiting it.

Kepler got lucky with this planet. Its first transit was detected only three days after Kepler started taking science data. The next one, 290 days later and the third, another 290 days later. The planet, dubbed Kepler-22b was found about as quick as it could be since its first transit was detected almost immediately (imagine if you missed it by one day…then you would have had to wait another 290 days! It’s almost certain there are planets that were just missed).

So Kepler-22b orbits the star every 290 days. It’s a little closer to its star than Earth is to the Sun, but that’s okay since the star is a little smaller and not quite as bright. It sits in what is commonly called the habitable zone: a place where a planet similar to Earth could have liquid water on its surface.

There’s the catch: Similar to Earth. Kepler-22b is about 2.4 times the diameter of Earth, so quite a bit bigger (that’s almost 14 times the volume!) It’s not clear if the planet is predominantly rocky like Earth. The planet could have a very thick or non-existent atmosphere. It could rotate way too fast or way too slow (resulting in a hot side and a frozen side).  It could have its axis of rotation tipped on its side like Uranus. There are lots of ways it could be far from an Earth-like planet!

Of course this just gets astronomers excited to study it further. We can determine its mass by measuring the Doppler shift it imparts on the star as the planet orbits and hence determine if it is a rocky planet like Earth. Advanced spectroscopic techniques can be used to examine the planets atmosphere. These further studies (which you can bet are already being planned) will start to unravel some of the mysteries of Kepler-22b. I think Kepler Program Scientist Douglas Hudgins says it well, “This is a major milestone on the road to finding Earth’s twin.”

Lost in this hoopla is that they also announced over 1,000 new planet candidates (and that it looks like about 99% of their candidates are turning out to be planets, so they have a pretty good batting average).

The good news is that even if Kepler-22b turns out to be not quite so habitable, there are a lot more in the pipeline awaiting confirmation (looks like around 140 more, give or take a few based on where you draw the line for the habitable zone). These all need to be followed up and maybe in the next few years, we will nail down that true Earth-like planet.

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Scientology's "XENU" and Nazi/Crowley/Occult "LEM/LAM" the same "being"?
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2011, 01:25:12 AM »
from the haarp thread on Christchurch dec 22 2011:

we just had two 5.9 mag quakes near Christchurch ...shallow....80 minutes apart....8 hours away from Christmas eve local time....

HAARP is in play IMO..we may see a swarm over next 2 days...
very sorry to hear that, marlowe... turns out the people who predicted the christmas problems were maybe right.
i had no idea it could get this bad, personally. i didn't want to believe that people really do this to each other.
not just violence and war, but starvation and ruin.

Scientology is in bed with Black Sun btw, because Lem = Xenu


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Islam's Huge influence on Thelema -- what Mohammed meant to A. Crowley
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2011, 02:16:06 PM »
from a very dark blog (lol!):  http://onion-peelings.blogspot.com/2010/04/thelemic-jihad.html

the "magus" was rumored to have grandfathered George Bush and even infiltrated M15!

What role does Islam play for the Luciferian NWO?

"For anyone truly obeying "Do what thou wilt", but also truly acknowledging and accepting "I am a god of War and of Vengeance" AND "Kill and torture; spare not", understands that before Thelema can flower upon the Earth, it first must conquer and destroy the gardens of the enemy—and of course the gardeners and worshippers of those dying beds.

As we said, it is to Islam that we might apply ourselves to see what Crowley particularly valued about it, to such an extent that he even used the Islamic term "Caliphate" to describe the global goal of Thelema—world hegemony.

Many people may be surprised to learn that, at least in the view of Aleister Crowley, Mohammed was in the same holy order as himself, and was in fact, a founder of one of the "originating constituent assemblies" of the OTO.

More than this, Crowley speculated that Mohammed may have been a forerunner of the Equinox of Horus, i.e. a kind of bridge between the Aeon of Osiris and that of Horus. Mohammed was based in the cultures and the theology of the dying gods, while looking forward in style and vigor of faith to the Aeon of war and vengeance of Horus. Thus, Crowley suggested there were aspects of Islamic faith that Thelemites should admire and aspire to copy."

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This is deceiving, in that sorcerers and black magicians have always used and appropriated symbols of authentic religions and of the supreme creator as a way of engaging in blasphemy in order to please their evil spirits that serve them. So, the association of Islam with luciferianism is totally taken out of context and bogus.
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islam, catholicism, and moon/sun worship; ninth gate and WTC chemical wedding
« Reply #46 on: December 24, 2011, 02:40:56 PM »
This is deceiving, in that sorcerers and black magicians have always used and appropriated symbols of authentic religions and of the supreme creator as a way of engaging in blasphemy in order to please their evil spirits that serve them. So, the association of Islam with luciferianism is totally taken out of context and bogus.
I am sorry to disappoint you, but never sorry to educate:
Islam is a poor echo of Roman Catholicism; Mohammad threw all idols save his family's out of the Kaaba and established Allah the moon god as the supreme being of Islam in order to usurp the birthright of Jews.
Roman Catholicism is a perversion of completed Judaism, also known as Christianity -- the cult of Semiramis has more to do with modern Mary worship than you would think.

I feel no shame in pointing out how people, en masse, are deceived.
Someone has to say the emperor has no clothes, and if I am a fool so be it.

Islam and Catholicism are full of Thelemaic/ancient luciferian symbols, meaning, and philosophies -- far too many to list here, but we have provided many examples.
Islam and Catholicism are a mixture of astral body and ancestor worship.
Simple lies.

Please don't derail this thread by injecting more religious strife into it than there already was on the first page.

Note to the people who talked about 9th gate with me:

Polansky's movie was very much like the work of someone who knows Kenneth Grant's work inside and out.

Here is some more education for you: the WTC towers celebrated the "chemical marriage" concept CC told us about.

9/11 celebrated by burning 3,000 people to death?
Islam wants to help Satan possess the Holy City.
Bush helped too -- he wasn't a good man.

Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz

The Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz (Chymische Hochzeit Christiani Rosencreutz anno 1459) was edited in 1616 in Strasbourg (annexed by France in 1681), and its anonymous authorship is attributed to Johann Valentin Andreae. It is the third of the original manifestos of the mysterious "Fraternity of the Rose Cross" (Rosicrucians).

It is an allegoric romance (story) divided into Seven Days, or Seven Journeys, like Genesis, and tells us about the way Christian Rosenkreuz was invited to go to a wonderful castle full of miracles, in order to assist the Chymical Wedding of the king and the queen, that is, the husband and the bride.

This manifesto has been a source of inspiration for poets, alchemists (the word "chymical" is an old form of "chemical" and refers to alchemy – for which the 'Sacred Marriage' was the goal [1]) and dreamers, through the force of its initiation ritual with processions of tests, purifications, death, resurrection, and ascension and also by its symbolism found since the beginning with the invitation to Rosenkreutz to assist this Royal Wedding.

The invitation to the royal wedding includes the Monas Hieroglyphica associated with John Dee.

There is some resemblance between this alchemical romance and passages in the Bible such as:

    * The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: (Matthew 22:2,11 KJV)
    * And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. (Revelation 21:2)

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Thelema, Perversion, Child Sex Crime, Aleister Crowley, and the link to Moloch
« Reply #47 on: December 24, 2011, 03:45:14 PM »
Proof that Crowley disciples initiated their 5 year old daughters via molestation:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sexual-Magic-MS-P-B-Randolph-Signed-Robert-North-Aleister-Crowley-Occult-RARE-/160682639929?pt=Antiquarian_Collectible&hash=item25696e8239

One of Crowley's favorite and most powerful symbols involved a perversion of what John the Baptist's followers witnessed during the ordination of Christ.
Crowley draws a sun/penis symbol and substitutes this power symbol for God (a la Lucifer).
Below the sun penis is a white dove, which is a corruption of the Holy Spirit by proclaiming semen to be the holiest substance (read about it before arguing please).
Then below the dove is a cup portraying female or subjugated forces, much like the "this city is the pot and we are the flesh" mentality of the elite.
Ancient Chinese creation pictures show the creative forces holding the Compass and Square, but not in conflict, but rather perfect harmony and equality. God created Eve to be Adam's companion and helper, not his materials or his slave or his enemy. The Chinese know the ancient truths and I hope they all remember that.

NWO — May 23, 2011 1:21 am
Green is the color of the “new” occult pagan spirituality which describes itself in secular terms as the green-eco movement. Its worldwide utopian project is green spiritual communism.  It hails Lucifer as the first free-thinker and liberator of mankind.  Its’ deity is Isis, the Goddess of a Thousand Names.  As Goddess Earth Mother, she is Gaia.  Accompanied by her feminized “gay” priest-shamans, she is Cybele, the androgynous male/female with both beard and breasts.   As the Egyptian goddess of witchcraft and magic, Isis  has many “feminist” lesbian-witches in her contemporary retinue.

As the modern world increasingly succumbs to the seductive power of occult spirituality, a global totalitarian pagan state is arising.  As it is the ultimate counter-tradition, it will demand nothing less than the counter-conversion of every soul, thereby claiming total possession of and jurisdiction over every man—mind, body, and soul— in a state directed by demons, or Transcended Masters as powerful New Age insiders describe them.

Researchers say that somewhere between 100,000,000-200,000,000 men, women, and children were murdered by Communists and Fascists during the 20th century. The Goddess Earth Mother will demand human sacrifice as well.


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Woe unto America! Many of our nation's highest leaders worship Satan, and are willing servants of EVIL. They are controlled by Satan, the god of this world (2nd Corinthians 4:4). Satan controls these men through the occult (i.e., "hidden" organizations). Jesus said "in secret have I done nothing" (John 18:20), because He had nothing to hide. Why the secrecy from our nation's top leaders?

Skull and Bones is of the Devil. Freemasonry is of the Devil. Nearly 2,000 carefully selected government officials, corporate tycoons and other luminaries—men with power to shape the future—assemble privately every July in a redwood forest about 65 miles north of San Francisco. The meeting includes a somber ritual that features the Druidic burning of an effigy on the alter, chants from a robed chorus, and wild drinking and promiscuity. Richard Nixon once famously described the gathering as “the most faggy G_ddamned thing you could ever imagine.”

The Bible says in no unclear terms, "thou shalt not allow thy seed to pass through the fire to moloch".
What is Thelema?
What is the Ninth gate?
I think it has far worse associations for some Crowley disciples than any of us want to understand.

The enemy is far more foul than you and I could ever understand.
Thelema and similar abuses of power are behind some of the most heinous and widespread crimes today, like child prostitution and genocide.

As long as Islam and Christianity engage in child abuse and genocide, I consider them to be under the direct influence of Satanism,
I can't see how a truther could argue with that...?

Didn't ever say I was perfect, ever in my life.

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In folk magic, midsummer was a very potent night and the time for many small rituals, mostly for young maidens seeking suitors and fertility. Will o wisps were believed to be seen at midsummer night, particularly to finders of the mythical "fern in bloom" and possessors of the "fern seed", marking a treasure. An important feature of the midsummer in Finland is the white night and the midnight sun. Because of Finland's location spanning around the Arctic Circle the nights near the midsummer day are short or non-existent. This gives a great contrast to the darkness of the winter time. The weather varies between years, the highest temperature is on average about 20°C (Southern Finland).



17th century french cat torture witch burning holdover entertainment w t f

Cat burning was a form of zoosadistic entertainment in 17th century Paris, France. In this form of entertainment, people would gather dozens of cats in a net and hoist them high into the air from a special bundle onto a bonfire. According to Norman Davies[1], the assembled people "shrieked with laughter as the animals, howling with pain, were singed, roasted, and finally carbonized."[2]

"It was the custom to burn a basket, barrel, or sack full of live cats, which was hung from a tall mast in the midst of the bonfire; sometimes a fox was burned. The people collected the embers and ashes of the fire and took them home, believing that they brought good luck. The French kings often witnessed these spectacles and even lit the bonfire with their own hands. In 1648 Louis XIV, crowned with a wreath of roses and carrying a bunch of roses in his hand, kindled the fire, danced at it and partook of the banquet afterwards in the town hall. But this was the last occasion when a monarch presided at the midsummer bonfire in Paris. At Metz midsummer fires were lighted with great pomp on the esplanade, and a dozen cats, enclosed in wicker cages, were burned alive in them, to the amusement of the people. Similarly at Gap, in the department of the Hautes-Alpes, cats used to be roasted over the midsummer bonfire."[3]

In the medieval and early modern periods, cats, which were associated with vanity and witchcraft, were sometimes burned as symbols of the Devil.[4]

nope even cats are tiny children of God and he never asked any of them to pass through fire alive either.

MAY DAY WITCH BURN!!!!    :-\   GOd never said burn people alve...


Wednesday, April 30, 2008
Burning of the Witches and May Day
Hi Everyone,
Today is a kind of holiday in the Czech Republic, though it’s not a day off from work! Today is the Burning of the Witches! This celebration dates back to very pre-historic times. Some believe it was originally a celebration to ward off evil, others say it was originally celebrated as a time to say farewell to winter and to welcome spring! Now, this Burning of the Witches is seen as a combination of both practices, but is done in fun!

Tonight, people will gather around bonfires all over the country—some in their backyards (yes—isn’t that a scary thought!!!) and some on high hills (this is traditional). They will bring food, such as sausages, to cook over the fires. And then, late in the evening, they will bring an effigy of a witch (something like our American scarecrows) and put it on the fire to burn. There is much celebrating as the witch burns. It is a night of drinking and all kinds of revelry! I have not witnessed such an occasion myself, but have been told that these celebrations are somewhat like a mini version of Spring Break! So, it is necessary to use caution when visiting a Burning of the Witches—make sure, ahead of time, that the one you visit is family-safe, otherwise, you might get in on more than you intended for this celebration!

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the Temple of Set, Modern Satanism, the military and human trafficking
« Reply #49 on: December 25, 2011, 11:45:41 PM »
the Lord or someone led me to google "temple of Set" tonight and I found this rotten fruit hanging there:

I noticed that stuff about WTC 7 after watching Jake Kotze vids & seeing Freemason writers incorporate it in their work. I wonder if the number 7 (7 wtc's) is connected to the 7th heaven which is again connected to Saturn or so I thought.

One more note on D.B. The big fire was in 2007 and killed two fireman. I was thinking it could be another sun worship sacrifice ???

Temple of Set


On February 5, 1999, in U.S. District Court in Lincoln, Nebraska, an extraordinary hearing occurred in Paul A. Bonacci v. Lawrence E. King, a civil action in which the plaintiff charged that he had been ritualistically abused by the defendant, as part of a nationwide pedophile ring linked to powerful political figures in Washington and to elements of the U.S. military and intelligence establishment. Three weeks later, on February 27, Judge Warren K. Urbom ordered King, who is currently in Federal prison, to pay $1 million in damages to Bonacci, in what Bonacci's attorney John DeCamp said was a clear signal that "the evidence presented was credible."

During the February 5 hearing, Noreen Gosch stunned the court with sworn testimony linking U.S. Army Lt. Col. Michael Aquino (ret.) to the nationwide pedophile ring. Her son, Johnny, then 12 years old, was kidnapped off the streets of West Des Moines, Iowa on September 5, 1982, while he was doing his early-morning newspaper deliveries. Since his kidnapping, she has devoted all of her time and resources to finding her son, and to exposing the dangers that millions of children in American face from this hideous, literally Satanic underground of ritualistic deviants.

The Temple of Set was established in 1975 by Lt. Colonel of the US Army Michael A. Aquino and certain members of the priesthood of the Church of Satan,[1] who left because of administrative and philosophical disagreements with its founder.[1] The Temple of Set was incorporated in California that same year as a nonprofit church.[2]

Under questioning from DeCamp, Gosch reported: "I know that Michael Aquino has been in Iowa. I know that Michael Aquino has been to Offutt Air Force Base [a Strategic Air Command base, near Omaha, which was linked to King's activities]. I know that he has had contact with many of these children."

Paul Bonacci, who was simultaneously a victim and a member of the nationwide pedophile crime syndicate, has subsequently identified Aquino as the man who ordered the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch. In his February 5 testimony, Bonacci referred to the mastermind of the Gosch abduction as "the Colonel."

A second witness who testified at the February 5 hearing, Rusty Nelson, was King's personal photographer. He later described to EIR another incident which linked King to Aquino, while the Army special forces officer was still on active reserve duty. Some time in the late 1980s, Nelson was with King at a posh hotel in downtown Minneapolis, when he personally saw King turn over a suitcase full of cash and bearer-bonds to "the Colonel," who he later positively identified as Aquino. According to Nelson, King told him that the suitcase of cash and bonds was earmarked for the Nicaraguan Contras, and that "the Colonel" was part of the covert Contra support apparatus, otherwise associated with Lt. Col. Oliver North, Vice President George Bush, and the "secret parallel government" that they ran from the White House.

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More on the very strange "astrology" of Sept 11 2001 -- lunar occultations
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2011, 12:57:55 AM »

SATURN -- Saturn, god of harvest or time of reaping (sixth planet from the sun).

Note: please don't mistake me for a star reader, I know very little about this.
Merely providing links etc. and some info compiled by others in relation to the 9/11 attacks.
If we can figure out why the time was important, then we can get an idea of to whom it was.

Not trying to argue with or discredit those who are looking at physical and legal angles.
I am simply sharing knowledge of "occult" or hidden importance taken from another site (or three lol).

ok here goes.


You guys might just want to read the whole page at the above link after reading the stuff below this line.

Lunar Occultations and Jupiter–Saturn

On September 10, at 8:50 a.m. EDT, the Moon eclipsed (passed in front of) Saturn at 14°43’ Gemini. This is known as an occultation and can be viewed as a powerful conjunction because it occurs in both longitude and latitude. This was 24 hours before the first attack; 14°+ Libra was rising in both charts. The day after the attacks, at 8:32 a.m. EDT, the Moon conjoined and eclipsed Jupiter, as 12°+ of Libra was rising in New York City, with Mercury at 15°29’ Libra.

It is amazing that the attack came only ten minutes before the Moon reached exactly 28°10’ Gemini, the midpoint of Saturn and Jupiter. The Moon began occulting Saturn (with every conjunction that it made to that planet) in June 2001 and will continue to do so through December 28, 2001.

The attack happened within 10 minutes of the midpoint of Saturn and Jupiter, according to this article.
I hope some astrologers were reading my blog last spring because I didn't understand what I was writing until now.
Not sure if the stars talk, but I think they are pissed off about the 9/11 lies, LOL.

GOYA painting -- Saturn eating his son

gives new meaning to the phrase, a pictures says 1,000 words.

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a possible new meaning of the eastern star -- star charts from sept 2001
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2011, 01:15:24 AM »

Damned edit time limit...


Please check out this site.
It talks about a Pentagram in the sky in Oct 2001.
Also there is:

Shortly after starting its 2.5 year voyage through Cancer, Saturn will physically align with Betelgeuse and Rigel (the two brightest stars in Orion) as it simultaneously passes into the center of the Gemini constellation. This alignment will happen in early September (2003). Even more remarkably, on September 11, 2003 the asteroid known as Ceres (The Mother) will conjunct Saturn as it reaches the very center of the Gemini constellation. Coincidentally, this Saturn-Ceres conjunction will happen at nearly the exact same location as Jupiter's position on the morning of 9/11/2001.

More from the above site:

The Discovery

On the evening of October 31, 2001 while meditating and watching the Full Moon, I noticed that Saturn and Jupiter are currently forming a pentagon with the fixed stars of Rigel, Sirius, and Procyon. Saturn is in conjunction with Aldeberan, the brightest star in the Taurus constellation. Betelguese, the bright orange star at the top of the Orion constellation, is at the very center of the formation.

The formation is very large, taking approximately 3-4 hours to rise. The drawing above doesn't do justice to the scale and the beauty of the visual experience. The area of the sky where this formation occurs is rich with some of the brightest stars in the heavens. When the formation fully rises, it fills the entire eastern sky. The bottom portion of the formation becomes visible only when Sirius appears above the eastern horizon (approximately midnight).

Timing of the Event

The formation was taking shape during the last part of this Summer. Jupiter orbits the Sun at a velocity approximately 2.5 times faster than Saturn. As a result, this formation took shape rather quickly as Jupiter moved through the early degrees of Cancer. Jupiter entered Cancer on July 13th of this year and reached approximately 11.5 degrees of Cancer by September 10th. The formation would likely have started to look like a pentagon by the end of August, 2001.

The Moon conjuncted Saturn early on the morning of September 10th. The exact time of this conjunction was 5:50 a.m. (PDT). On that date, Saturn was positioned at roughly 14.75 degrees Gemini. The Moon's conjunction with Saturn was particularly close -- within one degree.

The Moon closely conjuncted Jupiter on the morning of September 12th. The exact time of conjunction was 5:32 a.m. (PDT). On that date, Jupiter was positioned at roughly 11.75 degrees Cancer. The September conjunctions between the Moon, Saturn, and Jupiter are the closest conjunctions happening with the pentagon formation (the formation will last until early 2002).

The Full Moon closely conjuncts Saturn on November 30th. The Full Moon in Gemini happens at 12:49 p.m. (PST) at roughly 8.75 degrees (Gemini). On that date, Saturn is roughly positioned at 11.75 degrees Gemini. The Moon's close conjunction with Saturn occurs exactly at 6:08 p.m. (PST).

The Full Moon on December 30th closely conjuncts Jupiter.
The Full Moon in Cancer occurs at 2:40 a.m. (PST) at roughly 9.5 degrees (Cancer). On that date, Jupiter is roughly at 11 degrees Cancer. The Moon's conjunction with Jupiter occurs exactly at 6:09 a.m. (PST).

(Note: Although the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction occurs approximately once every 20 years, the alignment with these particular background stars would be much less frequent. My limited archeo-astronomical investigation suggests the last time this alignment would have happened as precisely was approximately 1028 AD.)

Mythological Meanings

Saturn is symbolically and mythologically associated with authority, limitations and boundaries, fixed structures, institutions, time (chronos), and karma.

Jupiter is symbolically and mythologically associated with resources, expansion, abundance, philosophy, the principles of laws and religions, long-distance voyaging, and adventures of discovery.

To the ancient Egyptian people, the Orion constellation represented the god Osiris. According to Bernadette Brady's Book of Fixed Stars (Weiser, 1998), "The constellation was not [just] a symbol of god, it was god... The Egyptians knew him as Osiris and the Pharaohs came from him; they were his physical flesh, and were returned to him."

For several thousand years, Orion rose just before the Spring equinox sunrise. As precession caused more and more of the Orion constellation to slip into the Spring equinox sunrise, the Egyptians recognized that Osiris was disappearing into the underworld. Bernadette Brady tells us, "To account for these observations the Egyptians developed the concept of an immortal god dying and passing on his throne to his son." Because the constellation above Orion (Taurus) has a bright red star (Aldeberan) like Orion's red star (Betelguese), Taurus and Aldeberan became mythologically associated with Horus, the son and heir of Osiris. At this point, the Egyptian cosmology included both Osiris, "ruler of the underworld, or afterlife" and Horus, ruler of "the new world order" (according to Brady's Book of Fixed Stars, p. 165).

Another popular mythological theme related to Taurus is that of Mithras from ancient Persian culture. According to Brady, Mithras was a god of great military valor riding the solar chariot (Spring Equinox Sun) across the sky. Mithras was also known as Ahura Mazda, a Persian savior-figure, who produced the life of our world by slaying a cosmic bull and spreading its blood upon the earth. According to Alan Watts, Ahura Mazda was recognized by some Mahayana Buddhists as the Great Sun Buddha, whose radiance blesses the entire cosmos with eternal peace and light.

Sirius, the brightest star in the sky, has been associated since ancient Egyptian times with the goddess Isis, partner to Osiris and mother to Horus. In both the Egyptian and Mayan cultures, the date Sirius arose with the Sun indicated the first day of the solar calendar. According to Brady, the change from the Julian to the Alexandrine calendar in 23 BC caused this relationship between Sirius' rising and the new solar year to be disrupted. This calendrical transition correlates with the period in western civilization during which the goddess and oracles gave way to the development of logic and science (Brady, p84).

Sirius and Procyon are the alpha stars of the dog constellations, Canis Major and Canis Minor, respectively. Mythologically, these two stars and their constellations represent the energy of both companion and guardian. These two stars could also be described as gate-keepers.


According to modern translations, the magi told Herod that they saw the star "at its rising",[11] which suggests an astronomical event - heliacal rising. The traditional translation of this phrase was "in the East,"[33] that is, when the magi were still resident in their eastern homelands. This interpretation is less likely because the Greek word for "east" used in this passage is singular, yet plural in those passages where it refers to the magi's homelands.[34]

In 1614, German astronomer Johannes Kepler determined that a series of three conjunctions of the planets Jupiter and Saturn occurred in the year 7 BC.[8] Although conjunctions were important in astrology, Kepler was not thinking in astrological terms. He argued (incorrectly) that a planetary conjunction could create a nova, which he linked to the Star of Bethlehem.[8] Modern calculations show that there was a gap of nearly a degree between the planets, so these conjunctions were not visually impressive.[35] An ancient almanac has been found in Babylon which covers the events of this period, but does not indicate that the conjunctions were of any special interest.[35][36] Dr. Karlis Kaufmanis argued that this was an astronomical event where Jupiter and Saturn were in a triple conjunction in the constellation Pisces.[37][38]

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Artifact from 9-11 Disaster Taken to Atomic Testing Museum in 2010
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2011, 04:37:21 PM »
No shit, can't make this up -- http://www.atomictestingmuseum.org/PDF_downloads/WTC%20Event%20RJ%20012610.pdf

Trade center I-beam
joins Las Vegas museum
Artifact from Sept. 11 attacks part of permanent collection

Tuesday Jan 26, 2010

The steel I-beam stands 6 feet tall and
weighs a ton.

Stuck to one side is hardened concrete
that oozed through 14 bolt holes as it was
attached to the floor of the World Trade

Its rusted sides are dimpled from the
tremendous force it endured when the
New York towers collapsed on Sept. 11,

After its jagged, torched edges have
been sealed for protection, the I-beam
section will be mounted in place at the
Atomic Testing Museum in Las Vegas,
where visitors will be able to walk up
and touch it.

In the virtual world ... 9/11 in most
people’s minds is a series of photos that
they saw of the airplane hitting the building
and the buildings collapsing
,” said
Troy Wade, chairman of the Nevada Test
Site Historical Foundation. “And that’s as
close as they got to it.

“This will allow people to get a step
closer, to actually touch a piece of one of
the most historic occasions in the history
of this country.”

The historical foundation will unveil
the artifacts Feb. 27 at a public event
marking the fifth anniversary of the museum
at 755 E. Flamingo Road.

Lee Ielpi, founder of the September
11th Families Association, will speak at
the event. His son, Jonathan,aNew York
City firefighter, died responding to the
towers’ collapse.

The museum setting should allow visitors
to draw the connection from the end
of the Cold War to the Sept. 11 attacks,

which launched the nation into the war
on terrorism, Wade said last week as he
stood by the pallet supporting the I-beam
after its journey from the Port Authority
of New York and New Jersey.

Next to the beam was a 3-foot-long
piece of twisted tubular sheet metal
from the World Trade Center. It will be
preserved in a case next to a hunk of the
Berlin Wall, a piece symbolic of the end
of the Cold War.

The artifacts will be near the end of
the timeline that visitors experience
as they walk through the history of the
atomic age surrounded by items from
the test site, where nuclear weapons
were detonated from 1951 to 1992.
Combined, the artifacts represent “a
seminal piece in the history of the United
States and a big piece in the history of
Nevada,” Wade said.

“We’ve always said the test site helped
win the Cold War, and now the test site
could help win the new war,” he said. He
was referring to the expanded role of
the test site, 65 miles northwest of Las
Vegas, for developing counterterrorism
techniques and devices.

When it opened, the museum displayed
a smaller, 3-foot-long piece of I-beam
from the World Trade Center that was on
loan from Smithsonian Institution.
The permanent I-beam display will
join other items of historical significance
at the museum including Albert
Einstein’s letter to President Franklin
D. Roosevelt about the once-secret
nuclear effort known as the Manhattan
Project and President Harry Truman’s
letter that established the test site as
the nation’s continental nuclear weapons
proving ground.


I think it's sick to display a piece of the WTC like a trophy at the place where nuclear weapons were born.
Just like the obelisk that commemorates the first nuclear detonation, "trinity".

It is not good for such destruction to be at home here on earth... why, we should send the bomb back to the pit of hell that it came from.

There is nothing to be proud of at white sands or anywhere else, it was a deception of the pit.