Genuine question for Christians/Catholics etc. about other Religions

[DAVIDE MTL]

Indeed! This one has a terminal case if he doesn't pull his head out of his backside and smell reality.

I wonder how much he's getting paid. It's not enough because he's making the Catholic cult look like a bunch of idiots. 

I don't have to get paid to point out you 2 and a couple of other cultists don't like the bible, it doesn't take much to point out you're an idiot...you just don't like that the following passage confirms what the Catholic Church does...it just burns you inside

James 5:14-16

Is any sick among you? let him call the elders (priests) of the church: and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another,and pray for one another,that ye maybe healed. the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

[Kilika]

No, what I don't like is that catholic book masquerading as a bible.

From the real bible...(the word "priest" is nowhere in those verses!) "And "one to another" is believer to believer. That's it. Elders are those who have the most time in the faith, that's all. They are the most knowledgeable about what sound doctrine is and have demonstrated that knowledge, and what scripture really says. But as scripture also says, "the elder shall serve the younger".

"But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve." Luke 22:26 (KJB)


14   Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 
15   And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 
16   Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. 
James 5:14-16 (KJB)

[DAVIDE MTL]

No, what I don't like is that catholic book masquerading as a bible.

From the real bible...(the word "priest" is nowhere in those verses!) "And "one to another" is believer to believer. That's it. Elders are those who have the most time in the faith, that's all. They are the most knowledgeable about what sound doctrine is and have demonstrated that knowledge, and what scripture really says. But as scripture also says, "the elder shall serve the younger".

"But ye [shall] not [be] so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve." Luke 22:26 (KJB)


14   Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 
15   And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. 
16   Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. 
James 5:14-16 (KJB)

you're stuck on definitions and blind to the truth staring right at you

Presbuteros (πρεσβύτερος, Greek word #4245 in Strong's) is the most commonly-used term for elder in the New Testament, stemming from presbus, elderly.[5] It is used with regard to the twelve apostles[citation needed], the seventy disciples[citation needed] or others acting in a specific role of authority in a local assembly of Christians. It is used twenty-eight times in the Gospels and Acts of the members of the Jewish Sanhedrin and twelve times in Revelation of the representatives of the redeemed people of God. The remaining nineteen times the word is employed in Acts and the Epistles, it identifies the leaders in the local churches of the New Testament. While no specific age is given, the connotation of seniority and experience in this term emphasizes the nature of the position and the character of the person, implying maturity, dignity, experience and honor.[6][7]

The modern English words "priest" or "presbyter" are derived etymologically from presbyteros.

you can not deny that the Catholic Church's sacrament of Extreme Unction derives from James 5, sorry

you throw Luke 22:26 as if it's relevant to what I posted, it's not

you just don't get it...you don't understand this, you don't understand confession, I'm beginning to question if you understand anything

I tell you John 20:21-23 confirms you have to confess your sins to a priest and you come up with some ridiculous theory

you ignore the fact the people confessed to John the Baptist

 4And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

 5Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

 6And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

you can lead a horse to water......but

[tritonman]

You can lead a horse to water however, you can not make a pope appear from thin air onto the pages of scripture any more than you can turn elder to priest lol.  You never did manage to show the scripture and you have been asked repeatedly for months.

[chris jones]

Inbred pejudice.
I have been asking for a basic common sence answer for years, ya know what, it seems like there are not many who get it or are attempting to reply, or for that matter even, give it a shot.
 Humans raised in Thyland bielive in Buddah, Muslims-Mohammed, Judea,Christians, etc. and to cut is short many more.
Kids are suseptable to  family teaching, societs and religion. Had you been raised in a different culture so would you,( yes -no) lets face it please. Religions have been inbred into the various populaces, no matter what the nation AND THEIR ACCEPTED RELIGION..They are born to a society that pratices in general the most accepted, am I insane or does this make sense.
 What the result for the most part is on a par, we are right and your are wrong, some faiths accept any religion, some don't, or theirs is the only path to eternity and paradise..
  The elites have been using this throughout recorded history, how many humans have been killed simply for their religious beleifs, religous warfare is a product of manipulation and has funtioned in the controllers behalf. So, I ask any of your to enlighten me, tell me I'm off my nut, that this is sheer insanity and religion have nothing to do with it. PLEASE.
  Tell me religions are not a basic division of humanity and have been for milleniums.
I'm not hitting in anyones faith, I am hitting on the a those who have used faith as a tool to controll the basic human need to seek  GOD> esulting in wars, genoicde and abominations.

[DAVIDE MTL]

You can lead a horse to water however, you can not make a pope appear from thin air onto the pages of scripture any more than you can turn elder to priest lol.  You never did manage to show the scripture and you have been asked repeatedly for months.

all you had to do was ask
the word pope isn't in the bible, so what , was St Peter the first leader of the church, yes or no..the bible says yes, it doesn't matter how many of you distorters of the bible come out of the wood work trying to argue that Peter was a pebble, or whatever other nonsense you can come up with..I stand withthe bible...you don't

Matthew 16:17-18-“And I say to thee: That thou are Peter: and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.  And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

 

     Our Lord made St. Peter the first Pope, entrusted to him His entire flock, and gave him supreme authority in the Universal Church of Christ.

 

John 21:15-17-“Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me?  He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee.  He saith to him: Feed my lambs.  He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee.  He saith to him: Feed my lambs.  He saith to him a third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me?  Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee.  He said to him: Feed my sheep.”

 

[DAVIDE MTL]

Inbred pejudice.
I have been asking for a basic common sence answer for years, ya know what, it seems like there are not many who get it or are attempting to reply, or for that matter even, give it a shot.
 Humans raised in Thyland bielive in Buddah, Muslims-Mohammed, Judea,Christians, etc. and to cut is short many more.
Kids are suseptable to  family teaching, societs and religion. Had you been raised in a different culture so would you,( yes -no) lets face it please. Religions have been inbred into the various populaces, no matter what the nation AND THEIR ACCEPTED RELIGION..They are born to a society that pratices in general the most accepted, am I insane or does this make sense.
 What the result for the most part is on a par, we are right and your are wrong, some faiths accept any religion, some don't, or theirs is the only path to eternity and paradise..
  The elites have been using this throughout recorded history, how many humans have been killed simply for their religious beleifs, religous warfare is a product of manipulation and has funtioned in the controllers behalf. So, I ask any of your to enlighten me, tell me I'm off my nut, that this is sheer insanity and religion have nothing to do with it. PLEASE.
  Tell me religions are not a basic division of humanity and have been for milleniums.
I'm not hitting in anyones faith, I am hitting on the a those who have used faith as a tool to controll the basic human need to seek  GOD> esulting in wars, genoicde and abominations.

there is only one true faith , all the rest are frauds led by satan to steer you from the truth, I will use the Catholic teachings as an example, I'm probably the only one here who believes it but so what

the true Church teaches the following

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Bull Cantate Domino, 1442, ex cathedra: “…the holy
Roman Church, founded on the words of our Lord and Savior, firmly believes, professes
and preaches one true God, almighty, immutable and eternal, Father, Son and Holy
Spirit… Therefore it [the Holy Roman Church] condemns, rejects, anathematizes and
declares to be outside the Body of Christ, which is the Church, whoever holds
opposing or contrary views.”2

the counterfeit Vatican 2 church led by satan teaches the exact opposite
Vatican II Declaration, Nostra Aetate (#4): “Although the
Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be
presented as rejected or cursed by God, as if such views
followed from the holy scriptures.”3

I'll let you decide which is the truth
as for nonbelievers living in countries where Jesus isn't known I contend most will perish, but that God in his way will always lea those seeking the truth to Jesus

Jesus declared: “Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat.  How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!” (Mt. 7:13-14).

[tritonman]

You can lead a horse to water however, you can not make a pope appear from thin air onto the pages of scripture any more than you can turn elder to priest lol.  You never did manage to show the scripture and you have been asked repeatedly for months.

We can wait if you need more time to search scripture .  Please don't expect us to hold our breath during the very long wait davy.

[tritonman]

the true Church teaches the following

I'll let you decide which is the truth

Your quotes from the leaders of the church of Satan not withstanding, We still will wait for the verse in scripture about popes and the cathoholics.

[DAVIDE MTL]

Your quotes from the leaders of the church of Satan not withstanding, We still will wait for the verse in scripture about popes and the cathoholics.

sure thing ,here you go, you don't like the bible do ya?

Matthew 16:17-18-“And I say to thee: That thou are Peter: and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.  And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

 

     Our Lord made St. Peter the first Pope, entrusted to him His entire flock, and gave him supreme authority in the Universal Church of Christ.

 

John 21:15-17-“Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me?  He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee.  He saith to him: Feed my lambs.  He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee.  He saith to him: Feed my lambs.  He saith to him a third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me?  Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee.  He said to him: Feed my sheep.”

[goforward]

Inbred pejudice.
I have been asking for a basic common sence answer for years, ya know what, it seems like there are not many who get it or are attempting to reply, or for that matter even, give it a shot.
 Humans raised in Thyland bielive in Buddah, Muslims-Mohammed, Judea,Christians, etc. and to cut is short many more.
Kids are suseptable to  family teaching, societs and religion. Had you been raised in a different culture so would you,( yes -no) lets face it please. Religions have been inbred into the various populaces, no matter what the nation AND THEIR ACCEPTED RELIGION..They are born to a society that pratices in general the most accepted, am I insane or does this make sense.
 What the result for the most part is on a par, we are right and your are wrong, some faiths accept any religion, some don't, or theirs is the only path to eternity and paradise..
  The elites have been using this throughout recorded history, how many humans have been killed simply for their religious beleifs, religous warfare is a product of manipulation and has funtioned in the controllers behalf. So, I ask any of your to enlighten me, tell me I'm off my nut, that this is sheer insanity and religion have nothing to do with it. PLEASE.
  Tell me religions are not a basic division of humanity and have been for milleniums.
I'm not hitting in anyones faith, I am hitting on the a those who have used faith as a tool to controll the basic human need to seek  GOD> esulting in wars, genoicde and abominations.

Are you sure you're not just look for the answer you want to hear or are you looking for the truth?
Do you know what the real propaganda is?
did you watch the videos I posted twice?
Is the bible prophetic or not? Have you looked into it? Has it predicted historic events? Are the other occult NWO religions into blood sacrifice (war)? Why do you mix all the religions as one?
humanism is not the answer, evil is real, it is like lion devouring us from the inside we need divine intervention

The Screwtape Letters - Letter I
My dear Wormwood,

I note what you say about guiding your patient's reading and taking care that he sees a good deal of his materialist friend. But are you not being a trifle naif? It sounds as if you supposed that argument was the way to keep him out of the Enemy's clutches. That might have been so if he had lived a few centuries earlier. At that time the humans still knew pretty well when a thing was proved and when it was not; and if it was proved they really believed it. They still connected thinking with doing and were prepared to alter their way of life as the result of a chain of reasoning. But what with the weekly press and other such weapons, we have largely altered that. Your man has been accustomed, ever since he was a boy, to having a dozen incompatible philosophies dancing about together inside his head. He doesn't think of doctrines as primarily "true" or "false," but as "academic" or "practical," "outworn" or "contemporary," "conventional" or "ruthless." Jargon, not argument, is your best ally in keeping him from the Church. Don't waste time trying to make him think that materialism is true! Make him think it is strong or stark or courageous—that it is the philosophy of the future. That's the sort of thing he cares about.

The trouble about argument is that it moves the whole struggle onto the Enemy's own ground. He can argue too; whereas in really practical propaganda of the kind I am suggesting He has been shown for centuries to be greatly the inferior of Our Father Below. By the very act of arguing you awake the patient's reason; and once it is awake, who can foresee the result! Even if a particular train of thought can be twisted so as to end in our favour, you will find that you have been strengthening in your patient the fatal habit of attending to universal issues and withdrawing his attention from the stream of immediate sense experiences. Your business is to fix his attention on the stream. Teach him to call it "real life" and don't let him ask what he means by "real."

Remember, he is not, like you, a pure spirit. Never having been a human (oh, that abominable advantage of the Enemy's!) you don't realise how enslaved they are to the pressure of the ordinary. I once had a patient, a sound atheist, who used to read in the British Museum. One day, as he sat reading, I saw a train of thought in his mind beginning to go the wrong way. The Enemy, of course, was at his elbow in a moment. Before I knew where I was I saw my twenty years' work beginning to totter. If I had lost my head and begun to attempt a defence by argument, I should have been undone. But I was not such a fool. I struck instantly at the part of the man which I had best under my control, and suggested that it was just about time he had some lunch. The Enemy presumably made the counter-suggestion (you know how one can never quite overhear what He says to them?) that this was more important than lunch. At least I think that must have been His line, for when I said, "Quite. In fact much too important to tackle at the end of a morning," the patient brightened up considerably; and by the time I had added "Much better come back after lunch and go into it with a fresh mind," he was already halfway to the door. Once he was in the street the battle was won. I showed him a newsboy shouting the midday paper, and a No. 73 bus going past, and before he reached the bottom of the steps I had got into him an unalterable conviction that, whatever odd ideas might come into a man's head when he was shut up alone with his books, a healthy dose of "real life" (by which he meant the bus and the newsboy) was enough to show him that all "that sort of thing" just couldn't be true. He knew he'd had a narrow escape, and in later years was fond of talking about "that inarticulate sense for actuality which is our ultimate safe guard against the aberrations of mere logic." He is now safe in Our Father's house.

You begin to see the point? Thanks to processes which we set at work in them centuries ago, they find it all but impossible to believe in the unfamiliar while the familiar is before their eyes. Keep pressing home on him the ordinariness of things. Above all, do not attempt to use science (I mean, the real sciences) as a defence against Christianity. They will positively encourage him to think about realities he can't touch and see. There have been sad cases among the modern physicists. If he must dabble in science, keep him on economics and sociology; don't let him get away from that invaluable "real life." But the best of all is to let him read no science but to give him a grand general idea that he knows it all and that everything he happens to have picked up in casual talk and reading is "the results of modern investigation." Do remember you are there to fuddle him. From the way some of you young fiends talk, anyone would suppose it was our job to teach!

Your affectionate uncle

SCREWTAPE

[goforward]

sure thing ,here you go, you don't like the bible do ya?

Matthew 16:17-18-“And I say to thee: That thou are Peter: and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven.  And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

 

     Our Lord made St. Peter the first Pope, entrusted to him His entire flock, and gave him supreme authority in the Universal Church of Christ.

 

John 21:15-17-“Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me?  He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee.  He saith to him: Feed my lambs.  He saith to him again: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee.  He saith to him: Feed my lambs.  He saith to him a third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me?  Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee.  He said to him: Feed my sheep.”

Constantine was the first pope no proof peter was get over it dagon worshipper

[DAVIDE MTL]

Constantine was the first pope no proof peter was get over it dagon worshipper

Or you can just ignore Jesus' own words, whatever floats your boat

"And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven."

[tritonman]

Your quotes from the leaders of the church of Satan not withstanding, We still will wait for the verse in scripture about popes and the cathoholics.

So, we are all still waiting for the scripture showing Peter was a pope and all you can provide is  evidence that Peter was important in Christs true church.  Show us davy, where he was made a pope for your babylonian satinist cult that you refer to as catholosism.  You keep responding to my question with scripture that never mentions either and claim it to be so with absolutely ZERO scripture to back up your LIES>  You have been caught telling lies in at least one of your other threads do you intend to keep trying this method in all of them now?
EITHER SHOW US THE SCRIPTURE WHERE PETER WAS MADE POPE AND A CATHOLIC OR CONTINUE YOUR TACTICS OF THE SATINIST LIAR CULT///
We have waited for a long time for your answer we can wait longer if you need more time to spin another yarn that fails to answer this.

[aknoto]

  I would also like to see where Peter who was given the keys, one of the original 12 apostles, was also a pope of the Roman Catholic Church?   

[goforward]

Or you can just ignore Jesus' own words, whatever floats your boat

"And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven."

Luke 11:52
"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."
And lawyers have a literal key of knowledge  
as stated in scripture he spoke in parables but you can stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalala..." all you want ,but it's just kinda pointless ya know

[goforward]

Or you can just ignore Jesus' own words, whatever floats your boat

"And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus gave us all the keys to heaven thru him or do you not believe in being saved?
semantics don't apply to a metaphor or poetic description

[chris jones]

[/quote]
            Goforward. Thanks for the response, however you didn't answer my question.
You mentioned the truth, OK, forget scripture for one moment and lets focus on common sense.
            Human beings, all of us, are bron and raised in familys that generaly have a religious faith. From childhood domestic or foriegn -humans are weaned on whatever religion their family and in general is societys standard brand. A plain and simple truth isn't it, in fact religous heritage is basically traditional.  Is this the truth or a lie?
         Is it possible for you to respond on a common sence level.

[goforward]

            Goforward. Thanks for the response, however you didn't answer my question.
You mentioned the truth, OK, forget scripture for one moment and lets focus on common sense.
            Human beings, all of us, are bron and raised in familys that generaly have a religious faith. From childhood domestic or foriegn -humans are weaned on whatever religion their family and in general is societys standard brand. A plain and simple truth isn't it, in fact religous heritage is basically traditional.  Is this the truth or a lie?
         Is it possible for you to respond on a common sence level.

Common sense? What does that mean that is very over used  and broad term. You mean "common sense" in regards to the consensus humanist/materialist (so called rationalism) mindset of sociology, what we can evaluate with our "common" (base) senses? The problem with humanism and now postmoderism is that it's all self justifing due to social norms of the time "well I didn't hurt anyone". Is abortion hurting anyone? Did you see that screwtape chapter? Has not modern western christian culture intermingled world wide? People have the option to look into it they see fit. Do all people who are born into Christian families become real christians? No it's not a simple truth, it's dependant on the individual and god. I think it's a very western preoccupation to try to quantify things/people in an attempt to devalue it while fooling themselves they understand the matter. I think your tied up in a moot point and instead you need to decide if the word is the truth or not. Is evil real? Does it have a presence? Are new age NWO lucifarians just coo coo or have they broke into something? Our Christian traditions our laws came from God the father, our hedonistic traditions and laws came from....take it away church lady.

[chris jones]

 Ok, please understand my statement is not focusing on any particular religion, nor Christianity, or any other form of worship.
  The only point I am attempting to get at is basic. Had you been born and raised in Iraq,Iran, Afghanistan & had your family been traditional Muslem, had your society for the most part been Muslim it stands to reason you , yes you or me or any other poster would for the most part follow the path.
  I am with hope you get my drift as I generally don't get deeply involved in religous issues, in truth I am not debating nor am I attempting to antagonize you or anyone else independent of the form of worship. 
The truths I have seen running around this globe is the basis for my observation. Peace my friend.

[goforward]

Ok, please understand my statement is not focusing on any particular religion, nor Christianity, or any other form of worship.
  The only point I am attempting to get at is basic. Had you been born and raised in Iraq,Iran, Afghanistan & had your family been traditional Muslem, had your society for the most part been Muslim it stands to reason you , yes you or me or any other poster would for the most part follow the path.
  I am with hope you get my drift as I generally don't get deeply involved in religous issues, in truth I am not debating nor am I attempting to antagonize you or anyone else independent of the form of worship.  
The truths I have seen running around this globe is the basis for my observation. Peace my friend.

no problem I'm not antagonized and don't think your being hostile, however we are partially who we are due to our parents and theirs so we can be blessed or cursed, but we have the freewill to go down a different path. Proof we aren't just drones. Some have higher risks than others. I see your point do you see mine? You should get deeply involved into religion. You know what they say don't talk about religion or politics. People here are more than comfortable discussing politics.
blessings

[DAVIDE MTL]

Jesus gave us all the keys to heaven thru him or do you not believe in being saved?
semantics don't apply to a metaphor or poetic description

No he gave Peter the keys, sorry, why don't you believe Jesus?

For the others who don't see how Peter was chosen as leader of Christ's Church I'll let you answer the following questions,

Who does Jesus tell to rule his sheep?

Who’s name is always first when Apostles are listed?

Who’s the leader of the Apostles?

Who’s given the keys to the kingdom?

Acts 2:14 “But Peter,standing up with the eleven,lifted up his voice,and said unto them,Ye men of Judea,and all the that dwell at Jerusalem,be this known unto you,and hearken to my words.”

Notice again the language, “Peter standing up with the eleven.” This was the on the day of Pentecost,considered the birthday of the Church,when all the leaders of he Church were gathered. After he preached to the Jews,they asked the men (plural) what they should do. It was again Peter who answered everyone:

Acts 2:37-47

“Now when they heard this,they were pricked in their heart,and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles. Men and brethren,what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent,and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost…and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls…And the Lord added to the CHURCH daily such as should be saved.”

At a gathering with the high priest,the question was posed to them: by what power have you done this? St Peter again answered for the rest.

Acts4:6-10,12-“: And Annas the high priest,and  Caiphas,and John,and Alexander,and as many as were the kindred of the high priest,were gathered together at Jerusalem..they asked,By what power,or by what name,have ye done this? Then Peter filled with the Holy Ghost,said unto them,Ye rulers of the people,and elders of Israel…Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no name under heaven given among men,whereby we must be saved.”

In Acts 15,we read about the dissension concerning circumcision. Some were teaching that all gentile converts to the Gospel had to undergo circumcision to be saved. After much disputing,Paul and Barnabas went to the Apostles at Jerusalem to consult about this question. The leaders of the Church held a council to discuss the issue. This council is sometimes called the first ecumenical council of the Christian Church.

Acts15:7-“And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, you know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 

[DAVIDE MTL]

Luke 11:52
"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."
And lawyers have a literal key of knowledge  
as stated in scripture he spoke in parables but you can stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalala..." all you want ,but it's just kinda pointless ya know

Any time you don't like a passage from the bible you just say it's a parable, you have no idea what you are talking about....it's pointless trying to reason with you because you don't want to admit you've been conned, how sad.

[tritonman]

You can lead a horse to water however, you can not make a pope appear from thin air onto the pages of scripture any more than you can turn elder to priest lol.  You never did manage to show the scripture and you have been asked repeatedly for months.

And still we wait as you manage to post more smokescreen in your attempt to further avoid the obvious.

[DAVIDE MTL]

And still we wait as you manage to post more smokescreen in your attempt to further avoid the obvious.

You don't like Jesus's words I have posted , I understand, when all else fails just  say what the other guy said, it's all parables.

[PeaceAndFreedom]

You don't like Jesus's words I have posted , I understand, when all else fails just  say what the other guy said, it's all parables.

But even if NOT taken as a parable, the verse you cited does not prove that Peter was the first Pope. Christ said several things to individuals that could be interpreted to mean he was saying it was so for them only, or for people in general. When Jesus said to Nicodemus "YOU must be born again," was he saying only Nicodemus needed to be born again, or stating all people needed to be born again? Following David's logic, one would have to say "No he only said it to Nicodemus, sorry, why don't you believe Jesus?"

[tritonman]

You don't like Jesus's words I have posted , I understand, when all else fails just  say what the other guy said, it's all parables.

No you are the oly one here who refuses to show Jesus's words that back up your false claim because he never calimed Peter as pope.
It would be YOU and your babylonian cults words that made the claim and not Jesus .  You have been given repeated chances to back up that claim but you CAN NOT.  You may or may not like what Jesus had to say on the matter but you are attempting to put words into his mouth that he never uttered, just to make it clear .

[DAVIDE MTL]

But even if NOT taken as a parable, the verse you cited does not prove that Peter was the first Pope. Christ said several things to individuals that could be interpreted to mean he was saying it was so for them only, or for people in general. When Jesus said to Nicodemus "YOU must be born again," was he saying only Nicodemus needed to be born again, or stating all people needed to be born again? Following David's logic, one would have to say "No he only said it to Nicodemus, sorry, why don't you believe Jesus?"

No your logic doesn't follow as there's only 1 answer to the following questions so I've shown to you that St Peter was the first leader of the Church as appointed by Jesus, why is this so hard to believe? seriously.

Who does Jesus tell to rule his sheep?

Who’s name is always first when Apostles are listed?

Who’s the leader of the Apostles?

Who’s given the keys to the kingdom?

[tritonman]

No you are the oly one here who refuses to show Jesus's words that back up your false claim because he never calimed Peter as pope.
It would be YOU and your babylonian cults words that made the claim and not Jesus .  You have been given repeated chances to back up that claim but you CAN NOT.  You may or may not like what Jesus had to say on the matter but you are attempting to put words into his mouth that he never uttered, just to make it clear .

But you forgot the other part. ;)Who is first and last and the one true Shepard?

[Dok]

Who does Jesus tell to rule his sheep?

can you post the scripture for that one please.

[tritonman]

can you post the scripture for that one please.

I have been asking for him to back up his pope claim for months now to no avail.     He tends to ignore questions about statements he can not in any way back up.

[DAVIDE MTL]

can you post the scripture for that one please.

John 21: 15-17 ; he saith unto him, Feed my lambs...He saith unto him, Tend my sheep...Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep."
In John 21:15-17, Jesus tells Peter to Feed my lambs, Tend my sheep, Feed my sheep. Jesus clearly gives St.Peter authority over His flock, the members of His Church. Some may ask why Jesus says the first time, Feed my lambs,and the second and third times my sheep. The early Church fathers understood this reference to lambs and sheep to differentiate between younger and older members of the Church,or to distinguish between the faithful and the clergy. All of them entrusted to St.Peter.
Now what's particularly important is that when Jesus says Feed my lambs, Tend my sheep,Feed my sheep, the second command of the three is the word poimaine in Greek. Many bibles will translate all three the same way, as feed; but the the second command is actually different from the first and third.
John 21:15-17 " He saith unto him, Feed (Boske) my lambs...He saith unto him. Tend (Poimane) my sheep..Jesus saith unto him, Feed (Boske) my sheep."

In the first and the third commands that Jesus gives to Peter about His flock,the word in the Greek is boske. Boske means to feed. But the word poimane, the second command of Jesus to Peter about the flock,means to rule. it is also translated as tend. Hence, Jesus not only commissioned Peter to feed His Church, but to rule it. It's fascinating that a form of the very same word poimane, which Jesus uses about Peter's authority over the flock in John 21:16, is also used in Revelation 2:27.
Rev 2:27 "And he shall rule (poimanei) them with a rod of iron..."

That means that Peter not only has primacy over Christ's flock, but  a primacy of jurisdiction to rule and govern the flock,contrary to what Eastern orthodox would say. The same word poimaine is used in Rev 12:5 and elsewhere to indicate the power to rule.

[tritonman]

And still we wait.

[Dok]

You said Who does Jesus tell to rule his sheep? i want that scripture please.

[PeaceAndFreedom]

No your logic doesn't follow as there's only 1 answer to the following questions so I've shown to you that St Peter was the first leader of the Church as appointed by Jesus, why is this so hard to believe? seriously.

Who does Jesus tell to rule his sheep?

Who’s name is always first when Apostles are listed?

Who’s the leader of the Apostles?

Who’s given the keys to the kingdom?

Yes, my logic does follow, Christ very often speaks to ALL in His one on one conversations, using the person He is talking to or citing as a take off point. He also emphasizes specific people as a form of encouragement to all believers---it was because Peter was one of the WORST disciples in several respects that Christ cited him first or so often. If even Peter's inconsistency or lack of faith could be set aside, the rest of us also have hope. So listing him first only reinforces "the last shall be first, and the first last" principle, not prove the Roman claim he was the fist Pope.

[Dok]

Peter’s Tomb
Recently Discovered In Jerusalem
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/peters-jerusalem-tomb.htm

  just saying... Peter NEVER went to Rome.

[DAVIDE MTL]

Yes, my logic does follow, Christ very often speaks to ALL in His one on one conversations, using the person He is talking to or citing as a take off point. He also emphasizes specific people as a form of encouragement to all believers---it was because Peter was one of the WORST disciples in several respects that Christ cited him first or so often. If even Peter's inconsistency or lack of faith could be set aside, the rest of us also have hope. So listing him first only reinforces "the last shall be first, and the first last" principle, not prove the Roman claim he was the fist Pope.

So you are trying to argue when Jesus gives the keys to Peter He's really giving it to everyone? When He tells Peter to rule His sheep He's telling everyone or all the Apostles to rule his sheep? no, He's actually giving the keys to Peter and telling Peter to tend and rule His sheep.

 or how about this passage

Luke 22:24-32 " And there was also strife among them......And the Lord said, Simon, Simon,behold Satan hath desired to have you,that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee,that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."

This passage is fascinating. It contains a number of important truths. First of all,there is a strife among the Apostles about who will be the greatest. Jesus explains that His kingdom is not like that of the Gentiles. So Jesus is talking about how His Kingdom or Church is structured.
Jesus then says that Satan has desired to sift all the apostles in the plural, but that He has prayed for Peter (singular) that Peter's faith fail not.
It's important to note that when Jesus says "Satan hath desired to have you," the "you" is in the  plural. This is clear in the original Greek text, but not in English. Satan  desired to have all the Apostles, Jesus says: but He prayed for Simon Peter alone, that his faith fail him not. peter, the one who recieves the keys of the Kingdom, also has an unfailing faith, according to the words of Jesus. Jesus says this only about Peter, clearly separating him from the rest.

[tritonman]

I have been asking for him to back up his pope claim for months now to no avail.     He tends to ignore questions about statements he can not in any way back up.

You have failed to provide the scripture and yet still attempt to spin your yarn.

[aknoto]

So you are trying to argue when Jesus gives the keys to Peter He's really giving it to everyone? When He tells Peter to rule His sheep He's telling everyone or all the Apostles to rule his sheep? no, He's actually giving the keys to Peter and telling Peter to tend and rule His sheep.

 or how about this passage

Luke 22:24-32 " And there was also strife among them......And the Lord said, Simon, Simon,behold Satan hath desired to have you,that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee,that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."

This passage is fascinating. It contains a number of important truths. First of all,there is a strife among the Apostles about who will be the greatest. Jesus explains that His kingdom is not like that of the Gentiles. So Jesus is talking about how His Kingdom or Church is structured.
Jesus then says that Satan has desired to sift all the apostles in the plural, but that He has prayed for Peter (singular) that Peter's faith fail not.
It's important to note that when Jesus says "Satan hath desired to have you," the "you" is in the  plural. This is clear in the original Greek text, but not in English. Satan  desired to have all the Apostles, Jesus says: but He prayed for Simon Peter alone, that his faith fail him not. peter, the one who recieves the keys of the Kingdom, also has an unfailing faith, according to the words of Jesus. Jesus says this only about Peter, clearly separating him from the rest.

Dude how is this Peter, the First pope of the Catholic Church?  How did you get that leap in logic, not trying to be funny but I really want to know why you think that Apostle Peter is the same Pope of the Catholic church?

[goforward]

I have been asking for him to back up his pope claim for months now to no avail.     He tends to ignore questions about statements he can not in any way back up.

like a good little jesuit
love how he always weaves in vat 2 masonic takeover claims
history and theology is not on his side
davy time to... kiss the ring 
rule those sheep lol