Genuine question for Christians/Catholics etc. about other Religions

[Zamo]

What do you think or feel about other religious text, mainly huinduism, buddhism, islamic, taoism, and orthodox christian/jewish/catholic

do you think they are just stories?, some truth? do they have some significance for you? how are they viewed in your perspective or religion? are you familiar with them at all?

please no b.s, I actually want to know and see a christian/catholic perspective of other religion holy books/texts

[Dok]

Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

sums it up right there.

[Zamo]

thanks for the general view of __(insert relgion/ideology here), for me its a bit broad and I don't want to take my own interpretation of that verse
can you break it down to what it means for other religion holy books/texts

[Dok]

thanks for the general view of __(insert relgion/ideology here), for me its a bit broad and I don't want to take my own interpretation of that verse
can you break it down to what it means for other religion holy books/texts

  it means they are all false. simple as that.

[Zamo]

so every word, person or event in them is false(i say that non sarcastically)
just a clean wipe out of all of them? can I ask to what ideology or religion you belong too, I'm actually doing this for my World Religions course to match up if opinions and official perspectives match up

[Dok]

did i say that? I said they are false religions. Do they have historical true aspects, sure. Are their core beliefs false? yes. Dont know what kind of game your off to play here but dont put words in peoples mouth.

[Kilika]

so every word, person or event in them is false(i say that non sarcastically)
just a clean wipe out of all of them? can I ask to what ideology or religion you belong too, I'm actually doing this for my World Religions course to match up if opinions and official perspectives match up

Sorry if that is really why you ask, as there have been others that started threads just like this and it was nothing but a trap to bait people into arguments. It raises the eyebrow when a person askes about other religions of Christians.

What do you think or feel about other religious text, mainly huinduism, buddhism, islamic, taoism, and orthodox christian/jewish/catholic

do you think they are just stories?, some truth? do they have some significance for you? how are they viewed in your perspective or religion? are you familiar with them at all?

When asking a Christian, the answer will be usually that other religions are not real, or they are evil, etc, and Christians have no interests in other religious texts or shouldn't, because the bible says they are evil, and not of God. All evil, if it's not the Holy Bible, even though they may contain some truths in them. That is the Christian perspective.

[WLGarrison]

I am a Lutheran, but I believe there are many paths to God. 

[Dok]

I am a Lutheran, but I believe there are many paths to God. 

yep, the wide gate.

[Zamo]

did i say that? I said they are false religions. Do they have historical true aspects, sure. Are their core beliefs false? yes. Dont know what kind of game your off to play here but dont put words in peoples mouth.

did I say that you did? I asked a clarification since meaning is found in people, the bold is what I wanted to know thanks

Sorry if that is really why you ask, as there have been others that started threads just like this and it was nothing but a trap to bait people into arguments. It raises the eyebrow when a person askes about other religions of Christians.

thats a perfectly understandable suspicion, I would be cautions as well
but I'm really looking for just a general understanding, not to flame up any arguments

When asking a Christian, the answer will be usually that other religions are not real, or they are evil, etc, and Christians have no interests in other religious texts or shouldn't, because the bible says they are evil, and not of God. All evil, if it's not the Holy Bible, even though they may contain some truths in them. That is the Christian perspective.

this is what I was looking for, the amount of insight and information is greatly appreciated, thanks

I am a Lutheran, but I believe there are many paths to God.

Lutheran falls under the "umbrella" and is not intensively studied compared to the other branches but, thanks for the input

[chris jones]

 Isn't it all contingent upon where a person was raised and what religion was the norm.
I have to admit I'm not a Sunday go to church fella, I pray to the God i believe in no matter where I may be. I am not fond of any organized religion that holds their book in one hand  bombs and $ in the other.
 I have seen some weird Shiite in my life, even as a child Catholic kids and protestant kids having gang wars over their religious brand names.
 It disturbs me the Vatican is the foundation of Christs teachings, no offense meant, just that the churches history confirms the power they have over the flock.
 So there ya have it, in my op people are raised to believe according to their birthplace, family and society for the most part. I have travelled some in my life and been around all kinds folks of different religions, some good and some not /using my own take on the individual not their faith.
 I can't toss stones at folks and won't simply over how they worship, its all on a individual level when ya come down to it isn't it.
 I have faith, been down the road of dealing with conscience and came to the decision absence of conscience is the void, the darkness, denying God/conscience is hell and all its glitter.
 Apology's for the rant.
 
   

 

[Dok]

good thing that isn't true.  also the Vatican is not the foundation of Christianity. Do some real research will ya.

[chris jones]

good thing that isn't true.  also the Vatican is not the foundation of Christianity. Do some real research will ya.

           No thanks Doc, I used the vatican as an example, so pray tell what is the foundation, are you insinuating the Catholic church isn't the base of the Christian movement, the culmination of the Christ's mesage as laid out by the holy men.
          My freind, no need to get hornry, your quote "do some research will ya", thats not necessary. It would have been kind of you ( very Christian) to have enlightened me if you take offense.

[Dok]

           No thanks Doc, I used the vatican as an example, so pray tell what is the foundation, are you insinuating the Catholic church isn't the base of the Christian movement, the culmination of the Christ's mesage as laid out by the holy men.
          My freind, no need to get hornry, your quote "do some research will ya", thats not necessary. It would have been kind of you ( very Christian) to have enlightened me if you take offense.

No they arent. In fact they arent even Christian in the least. They are the foundation for the antichrist church of the end times.

My freind, no need to get hornry, your quote "do some research will ya", thats not necessary. It would have been kind of you ( very Christian) to have enlightened me if you take offense.

no reason to get like that, this being your schtick and all. 

[Valerius]

Joh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

sums it up right there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Good_Samaritan

[chris jones]

 Dok. I wholeheatedly agree with you words:
 "No they aren't. In fact they aren't even Christian in the least. They are the foundation for the Antichrist church of the end times".
  3 cheers my friend, agreed, but there is a question I have, who or what was the foundation. i realize the apostles received the Holy Spirit and maintained his works, but please inform me as to the missing pieces.
 The bible, the word? Some decades past i delved deeply into the bible, concordances, Critical Greek, Aramaic translations etc. I admit being taken back when it became crystal clear the Word had been defined by  group of chosen men under the authority of Constantinople. No, I'm not referring to the current movies, my study goes way back.
 Please inform me as to their decisions as to what was to be included or to be taken away from the allowed New Testament.
  Please know that my question is genuine, I'm not seeking to antagonize or debate.

[Dok]

Jesus himself is the foundation. The Bible was also kept by the true Christians outside of Rome, like the Waldensians, who were given the Bible just as we have it today in 120 ad. So the Catholic church isnt the end all foundation of Christianity, even the name Christian predates the catholic church.

The new Testament as we have it today is the same as it was in 120 ad. Nothing has been added or taken away, well that is if you are not using a catholic bible.

[chris jones]

Waldensians, also given other titles had a hard road to follow, especially so when they were prohibited to preach openly and litterally had taken vows of poverty.
 Well Dok , you know your bible. Catholicism was not fond of Waldensians nor their bible.
They altered one verse that intimidated them,
1 John 5:7,For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
 

[Constitutionary]

All religions try to put Earth humanity back on a path or morality and ethics since the Anunnaki finished with their gold mining operations.

Since then many spiritual teachers have come from other worlds in an attempt to get Earth humanity on par with the rest of the "FEDERATED" planets in our solar system and others as well.

They may conflict but many agree that their is a SUPREME DIVINE BEING that resides between the vacuusphere (outer space) and the nuosphere (Divine Realm).

This is confirmed in Alec LeWald's book Co-Evolution and has been known to the Catholic Church for some time now.

[chris jones]

All religions try to put Earth humanity back on a path or morality and ethics since the Anunnaki finished with their gold mining operations.
Since then many spiritual teachers have come from other worlds in an attempt to get Earth humanity on par with the rest of the "FEDERATED" planets in our solar system and others as well.
They may conflict but many agree that their is a SUPREME DIVINE BEING that resides between the vacuusphere (outer space) and the nuosphere (Divine Realm).
This is confirmed in Alec LeWald's book Co-Evolution and has been known to the Catholic Church for some time now.

           there is a verse you reminded me of, "In my fathers house are many mansions" may be off a tad on the wording, but, the interpretation can go a long way.

[aknoto]

yep, the wide gate.

STOP IT, I Say!....but you are right.....lol

[aknoto]

Jesus himself is the foundation. The Bible was also kept by the true Christians outside of Rome, like the Waldensians, who were given the Bible just as we have it today in 120 ad. So the Catholic church isnt the end all foundation of Christianity, even the name Christian predates the catholic church.

The new Testament as we have it today is the same as it was in 120 ad. Nothing has been added or taken away, well that is if you are not using a catholic bible.

Catholic Bible??

[aknoto]

I love this site...get's the brain juices rolling from wiki....catholic sponsored bibles...kinda scary

DRB Douay-Rheims Bible 1582–1609
DRC Douay-Rheims Bible Challoner Revision 1752
WVSS Westminster Version of the Sacred Scriptures 1913–19351
SPC Spencer New Testament 1941
CCD Confraternity Bible 19412
Knox Knox's Translation of the Vulgate 1955
KLNT Kleist-Lilly New Testament 19563
JB Jerusalem Bible 1966
RSV-CE Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 1965–664
NAB New American Bible 1970
TLB-CE The Living Bible - Catholic Edition 1971
NJB New Jerusalem Bible 1985
CCB Christian Community Bible 1986
NRSV-CE New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition 1989
RSV-2CE Revised Standard Version - Second Catholic Edition (Ignatius Version) 2006
NABRE New American Bible Revised Edition 2011/1986 (Old Testament and Psalms)/New Testament) 

Do you have some of these in your possession

[DAVIDE MTL]

Waldensians, also given other titles had a hard road to follow, especially so when they were prohibited to preach openly and litterally had taken vows of poverty.
 Well Dok , you know your bible. Catholicism was not fond of Waldensians nor their bible.
They altered one verse that intimidated them,
1 John 5:7,For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one
 

Can you explain what they altered, The Catholic Church believes in the trinity.

The Bible  teaches the following

That Jesus is truly present in the eucharist
Jesus made St Peter the first Pope
Confession to a priest
praying to and venerating saints
Baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation
proof for infant baptism
purgatory
It doesn't teach sola scriptura
Let me know if you need clarification any of these issues.

[tritonman]

Give it up davy, no one here is buying into your cult beliefs.   No matter how many times you claim it and are repeatedly proven wrong again and again.  Go see daves many threads on the above topics to see them all debunked.

[Kilika]

Can you explain what they altered, The Catholic Church believes in the trinity.

The Catholic book  teaches the following

That Jesus is truly present in the eucharist
Jesus made St Peter the first Pope
Confession to a priest
praying to and venerating saints
as RCC defines baptism  Baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation
proof for infant baptism
purgatory
It doesn't teach sola scriptura


Let me know if you need clarification any of these issues.

There, I corrected that statement.

[shipgeek]

Bring me proof that God exists.

 

The world would probably be a better place without religions.

[Dok]

Can you explain what they altered, The Catholic Church believes in the trinity.

The Bible  teaches the following

That Jesus is truly present in the eucharist no it doesn't
Jesus made St Peter the first Pope no it doesn't
Confession to a priest  no it doesn't
praying to and venerating saints  no it doesn't
Baptismal regeneration and that baptism is necessary for salvation  no it doesn't
proof for infant baptism  no it doesn't
purgatory  no it doesn't
It doesn't teach sola scriptura  Yes it does
Let me know if you need clarification any of these issues.

proof for my claims and exposure of the Catholic church lies

Another good read about how to understand the RCC is Understanding Roman Catholicism by Rick Jones

Here is the preface & Introduction

Preface
As a child growing up in a Roman Catholic home, I often wondered about the practices of the Catholic church. One example is "eating meat on Fridays." During my childhood years, this was a sin that would send you to hell. Then one day the church declared that it was now okay. Questions popped into my young mind like: "Did God change His mind?" "If so, why?" I asked myself, "Why was it sinful to eat meat on Fridays, but not on any other day?" I wondered, "How did God in heaven get word down to man that this practice no longer bothered Him?" I thought about the millions of people who had died and gone to hell for committing this sin, and asked myself: "Now that it's no longer a sin, will God release them from hell and bring them to heaven and apologize?"

Let me ask you... do you have questions about what your church teaches? If so, this book can help. Keep in mind, someday you will stand before God, and you won't be able to say, "See my priest... he takes care of my spiritual matters." You will give an account of your own life.

That's why this book is so important. Using plain, easy-to-understand language, it will answer those nagging questions that have bothered you for so long. With your eternal destiny at stake, nothing is more crucial.

May God richly bless you.

Introduction
In recent years, there has been a merging of Roman Catholicism with traditional Protestantism. Many on both sides now claim those in the other camp as their Christian brothers and sisters. This was unheard of several years ago, but today:

Roman Catholic clergy appear regularly on Christian television, promoting unity between Catholics and Protestants.
Christian radio stations broadcast Roman Catholic programs.
Christian bookstores carry a variety of material appealing to Roman Catholics.
Have the two sides, in fact, merged? Are they both now preaching the same message? Do both hold the same cardinal doctrines?

To discover the answer to these questions, I began an exhaustive study of the 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church. Using this particular Catechism was important for two reasons:

1. This catechism is the official source for all Roman Catholic doctrine. No one can deny that it contains the actual teachings of the Roman Catholic church.

2. Published in 1994, this is the first new catechism in over 400 years. Therefore you can be assured that you are reading the current teachings of the Roman Catholic church, not what it may have taught three hundred years ago.

In this book, we will examine 37 of the most critical Roman Catholic doctrines, then let the facts speak for themselves.

You will not find personal opinions or philosophies presented here. This is strictly a declaration of true Roman Catholic doctrine and how those doctrines compare with the Bible. You must draw your own conclusions and make your own decisions.

Neither is this a book of judgment or condemnation. Its sole purpose is to help you better understand Catholic doctrine so you will be prepared when you stand before God for judgment, as we all must do after death:

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:" Hebrews 9:27 

My heart breaks at the thought of anyone hearing Jesus proclaim the following words to them on that day:

"I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matthew 7:23 

Yet the Bible reveals that the Lord will proclaim those very words to many religious people. Knowing this, it is vital that you not blindly follow anyone. Learn these Roman Catholic doctrines for yourself so you will be able to face God with confidence.


37 Roman Catholic Doctrines

1 Salvation Through The Church
2 Salvation Through Good Works
3 The Church Forgives Sins
4 The One True Church
5 Baptism Saves
6 The Pope: Vicar of Christ
7 The Pope: Infallible
8 The Sacraments Save
9 The Sin of Presumption
10 Infant Baptism
11 Degrees of Sin
12 Transubstantiation
13 Eucharist: Preserves from Sin
14 Eucharist: Helps the Dead
15 Mary Saves
16 Mary: Saved from Birth
17 Mary: Perpetual Virgin
18 Mary: Source of Holiness
19 Mary: The Intercessor
20 Mary: Recipient of Prayers
21 Mary: Queen Over All Things
22 The Mass
23 Purgatory
24 Praying to Saints
25 Praying for the Dead
26 Statues
27 Confirmation
28 Confessing Sins to a Priest
29 Indulgences
30 Interpreting God' s Word
31 Catholic Prayer
32 Penance
33 Are Catholics Christ?
34 Could 850 Million Catholics be Wrong?
35 Reconciliation
36 Celibacy
37 Last Rites

[Dok]

Bring me proof that God exists.

 

The world would probably be a better place without religions.

Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

more proof: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=187337.msg1114949#msg1114949

[Kilika]

Bring me proof that God exists.

 

The world would probably be a better place without religions.

I agree, religions as the world knows them are a distraction from the truth.

A guy named Thomas basically said the same thing. He got his proof and you will too. I promise.

[chris jones]

I agree, religions as the world knows them are a distraction from the truth.
A guy named Thomas basically said the same thing. He got his proof and you will too. I promise.

           Kilikia, I like that your post. organized religions are making a bundle of $ leading , controlling and allways have.
           I've mentioned this many times but fail to get replys. " ask your pastor,priest, or whatever pulpit banger you listen to, why aren't they leading their flocks to WDC demanding an end to the wars, the slaughters, genocide and blatant murdering" I've gotten back two replys through the years, basically scripture interpretation. It pizzes me off, there are about 270 million Christians if I remember right, if 10% got the nerve to march on WDC, the pols would run for their bunkers.
 Your guys know the scripture, isn't there one in reference to, Blessed are the peacemakers for_the are________ ________ _________! Or am I hallucinating.
 
     
         

[Kilika]

"Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:9 (KJB)

[goforward]

          Kilikia, I like that your post. organized religions are making a bundle of $ leading , controlling and allways have.
           I've mentioned this many times but fail to get replys. " ask your pastor,priest, or whatever pulpit banger you listen to, why aren't they leading their flocks to WDC demanding an end to the wars, the slaughters, genocide and blatant murdering" I've gotten back two replys through the years, basically scripture interpretation. It pizzes me off, there are about 270 million Christians if I remember right, if 10% got the nerve to march on WDC, the pols would run for their bunkers.
 Your guys know the scripture, isn't there one in reference to, Blessed are the peacemakers for_the are________ ________ _________! Or am I hallucinating.
 

Prayer and repentance is more powerful than marching with signs, read Jonah
it's all about the sack cloth and ashes  

[chris jones]

 Hi goforward, I have to get into a personell thing for a moment. I use to live in a place mentally and emotionaly I will never retrun to. I was spirtually bankrupt, empty, of faith ,I had no idea what people were talking about God and considered it a sukers game, a hide out from the real world.
 I was not a well man and I admit that. I was avoiding anything to do with conscience, the world to me was shitfarm and I was on a self destructive lifestyle and didn't give a twit, never expected to live as long as i have and didn't give a shiite. The *true deal is my conscience and self hatred was eating me alive.
 One fine day a wisened old bugger in S.Boston sat and explained to me that I needed to have a talk with God, to get on my knees and pray, to say whatever was in my heart. This guy had been around the block a few times. I took his advise, and cried myself to sleep with tears of joy. It didn't get to the point of sackcloth and ashes,.. END, hell is the absence of God, conscience is him wispering in our ear.
 

[goforward]

Hi goforward, I have to get into a personell thing for a moment. I use to live in a place mentally and emotionaly I will never retrun to. I was spirtually bankrupt, empty, of faith ,I had no idea what people were talking about God and considered it a sukers game, a hide out from the real world.
 I was not a well man and I admit that. I was avoiding anything to do with conscience, the world to me was shitfarm and I was on a self destructive lifestyle and didn't give a twit, never expected to live as long as i have and didn't give a shiite. The *true deal is my conscience and self hatred was eating me alive.
 One fine day a wisened old bugger in S.Boston sat and explained to me that I needed to have a talk with God, to get on my knees and pray, to say whatever was in my heart. This guy had been around the block a few times. I took his advise, and cried myself to sleep with tears of joy. It didn't get to the point of sackcloth and ashes,.. END, hell is the absence of God, conscience is him wispering in our ear.
 

I've been there and still struggling each day, but it's better. Use to have more of a frame of mind that suffering was noble (relatively speaking I live the western lifestyle) but now I know there is an intervening God that has things in control, just have to not get distracted from that. So much evolution and revolution out there that trys to replace the law of the Father.

[DAVIDE MTL]

proof for my claims and exposure of the Catholic church lies

Reading briefly from your site was quite amusing, for starters he mixes a lot of Vatican 2 stuff but I'll tackle just one of his fallacies to prove you shouldn't trust the site.

Last Rites

The final doctrine we will review is also the last ritual many Catholics perform - viaticum, also known as the Last Rites:

"As the sacrament of Christ's Passover the Eucharist should always be the last sacrament of the earthly journey, the 'viaticum' for 'passing over' to eternal life." Pg. 379, #1517

This ritual includes anointing the dying person:

More bondage

Since this ritual can only be performed by a priest or other Catholic leader, it keeps members in bondage to the Catholic religion right up until the moment of their death:

"Only priests (bishops and presbyters) are ministers of the Anointing of the Sick." Pg. 379, #1516.....

But the Bible disagrees, declaring that this ritual is neither the "seed of eternal life" nor the "power of resurrection." These are man-made doctrines that God neither initiated nor endorsed....

Conclusion

As you make your own decision on this doctrine, here are a few points to consider:

    This ritual is never taught in the Bible.




hmmmm, now for the other side of the arguement.....

James 5:14-16

Is any sick among you? let him call the elders (priests) of the church: and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another,and pray for one another,that ye maybe healed. the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

As you can see the Catholic Church and the bible trump your man made beliefs every time. Stop reading from that nonsensical site, you have been duped.

[Kilika]

let him call the elders (priests) of the church

You can't even tell the difference between the definition of an elder and a priest? No wonder your so deluded! 

Rituals for the dead? Lord have mercy! You know what Jesus said about the dead? "Let the dead bury the dead"

[DAVIDE MTL]

You can't even tell the difference between the definition of an elder and a priest? No wonder your so deluded! 

Rituals for the dead? Lord have mercy! You know what Jesus said about the dead? "Let the dead bury the dead"

typical nonsense from someone who can't come to grips he's part of some cult that rejects the bible, are you saying Jesus is contradicting the passage from James? you would believe such nonsense. you just throw some random bible passages at the wall and hope one sticks, trying to refute what I wroteno matter how ridiculous you sound.

[tritonman]

Rituals for the dead? Lord have mercy! You know what Jesus said about the dead? "Let the dead bury the dead"

What Jesus says matters not to cathoholics, they have a type of desease called brainwashing and it is very hard to escape it.

[Kilika]

Indeed! This one has a terminal case if he doesn't pull his head out of his backside and smell reality.

I wonder how much he's getting paid. It's not enough because he's making the Catholic cult look like a bunch of idiots.