David Icke meeting with Jesse Ventura this past weekend.....interesting comments

[Georgiacopguy]

Georgiacopguy:

This may not sound like it belongs in this discussion ...
but how do you suppose the Ancient pyramids were built?

I do not mean to sound snarky with this comment, but do I look like an archeologist? I'm a retired cop. That's not my area of expertise. I can no more wax philosophic about the construction of the pyramids than I can operate a nuclear reactor. The best I can do is take the mainstream version, that the Egyptians constructed them via slave labor. Which is a far more viable theory, than whatever alien/reptilian theory that is about to be floated. But the same caveat that keeps me from telling you what speculation I have on the pyramids, is the same one that prevents you from coming up with a viable theory, because any idea you float, is nothing more than a theory, without evidence to back it up. Now given the fact that we are human beings, and we live on the planet earth, and that the lone creative mind here is the human mind, I'd venture that anything of that sort would be constructed by human beings. Now unless you have the missing link of astral planes/stargates/alien technology, then the point is moot, and you will not convince me otherwise that it wasn't humans that constructed it. My mind works on evidence. It was how I prosecuted cases, or did not prosecute them, depending on the presence or lack thereof . Yet here you people are, asking me to forgo the intellectual mindset that I cultivated, to look at the evidence, and disregard it, because you feel your theory has more merit, just no backing evidence. Which is why I am so critical of Icke, he blathers on and on about his crackpot theories, yet provides no real, substantive evidence.

@master(snicker)ofthemoon - Yeah, you are irrelevant. Nice chatting with ya. Nobody is baiting you, that was me saying i don't care what you say or think, you are simply irrelevant. Because so long as I stay within the rules, I can speak my mind about Icke and his crap. There is plenty of baiting going on around here, but you can rest assured, I am not baiting anyone. Just calling it out like I see it. I see Icke and his bogus theosophy as a threat to the movement.

[JT Coyoté]

The difference is that Alex isn't pushing a religious or Theosophical view. Icke is, and apparently people around here lap it up and are asking for more. It seems to be rooted far more so than AJ, because people around here are willing to vilify people who don't like Icke and agree with his philosophies or theories. Which is akin to what cult leaders do to people who fall out of favor in their cults. They vilify them, cast them out of the group, defile their names in the eyes of the other cult members.

@Freeski, if you keep all doors open, no telling what will walk through. A universaliast mentality is not really hedging your bets, its just spinning your wheels, and accomplishing nothing.

Hate to say this cop, but you are as blatant as Barry in flipping the truth...

I defy you to find one instance on this forum where anyone has vilified anyone just because they don't like David Icke...

I can show you whole threads where you and others have vilified folks as Kooks, new-agers, fan-boys, and as false Christians... just because they opined that they do like David Icke...

The thread running on the Live Show page right now is filled with your stuff not just aimed at Icke, but the people who like him as well.

Sorry cop... you hit my radar screen... I will now keep you honest.

JTCoyoté

"But a Constitution of Government once
changed from Freedom, can never be restored.
Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." ~John Adams

[Freeski]

Waking Up Is Hard To Do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOrjcLJ2IE0

[goforward]

Georgiacopguy:

This may not sound like it belongs in this discussion ...
but how do you suppose the Ancient pyramids were built?

I'll indulge in a hunch
Numbers 13:33

[goforward]

Waking Up Is Hard To Do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOrjcLJ2IE0

Do you hear me? Do you care? What are words for when no one listens anymore?
Missing Persons - Words
http://youtu.be/IasCZL072fQ

[Jackson Holly]

I do not mean to sound snarky with this comment, but do I look like an archeologist? I'm a retired cop. That's not my area of expertise. I can no more wax philosophic about the construction of the pyramids than I can operate a nuclear reactor. The best I can do is take the mainstream version, that the Egyptians constructed them via slave labor. Which is a far more viable theory, than whatever alien/reptilian theory that is about to be floated. But the same caveat that keeps me from telling you what speculation I have on the pyramids, is the same one that prevents you from coming up with a viable theory, because any idea you float, is nothing more than a theory, without evidence to back it up. Now given the fact that we are human beings, and we live on the planet earth, and that the lone creative mind here is the human mind, I'd venture that anything of that sort would be constructed by human beings. Now unless you have the missing link of astral planes/stargates/alien technology, then the point is moot, and you will not convince me otherwise that it wasn't humans that constructed it. My mind works on evidence. It was how I prosecuted cases, or did not prosecute them, depending on the presence or lack thereof . Yet here you people are, asking me to forgo the intellectual mindset that I cultivated, to look at the evidence, and disregard it, because you feel your theory has more merit, just no backing evidence. Which is why I am so critical of Icke, he blathers on and on about his crackpot theories, yet provides no real, substantive evidence.

@master(snicker)ofthemoon - Yeah, you are irrelevant. Nice chatting with ya. Nobody is baiting you, that was me saying i don't care what you say or think, you are simply irrelevant. Because so long as I stay within the rules, I can speak my mind about Icke and his crap. There is plenty of baiting going on around here, but you can rest assured, I am not baiting anyone. Just calling it out like I see it. I see Icke and his bogus theosophy as a threat to the movement.

Thanks for answering my dumb question ... but it is a question that has baffled mankind since before we had a written language ... how and by whom was it constructed (I mean them ... pyramids by the score). Simply put, the Gizah pyramid is impossible ... but there it is. The base covering about 14 acres ... estimated between three-four million stones, many VERY large and perfectly cut, so that the apex point is within 1/4 inch of perfect center of the construction.

I have read tons about the Egyptians and the Great Pyramid ... and I know that Icke has too ... it is impossible, but there it sits.

    If it took 20 years to build the great pyramid:  20 years = 2,644,500 minutes
    Working 24 hours a day they would need to lay more that one of the massive
    perfectly worked stones per minute.
 
                                                                   
If you have never read a good book about its construction, please do ... I guarantee that you will begin to look at alternative histories to explain its reality ... as well as MANY other impossible sites around the world.

I don't know if there was a period in this planet's history when there were highly advanced technologies (probably better than we have today) here ... but it is the only explanation I (and most others who are informed) have.

Icke has just studied the ancient writings ... looked at the physical evidence ... and is
telling the people his conclusions. If you want to poo-poo it ... fine. Not all of us do ...
but we have discounted the given kindergarten explanations long ago.

A good place to start: Secrets of the Great Pyramid ~ Peter Tompkins, 1978
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Discoveries-Surrounding/dp/0883659573

[Jordan]

He might have different views but I am pretty sure he hasn't called for anyone to commit suicide.

No not directly or yet - neither did Do and he and several other members of Heavens Gate are still alive today. It was his message that killed them.

Look all Im saying is this - people need to seriously look at the information being fed to them, trust no one and judge for yourself but do so by looking it up and not taking anyone else word for it. Just because Alex talks to someone doesn't make them "on your side of the battle". Nor does it make them safe to believe in.

[Jordan]

He hasn't, which is why those who make such accusations always conveniently fail to provide supportive evidence.

No one has said he HAS which is why no supportive evidence is needed to begin with. But a simple comparison to Heavens Gate cult leader brings up a lot of noticable similarities. Looking at his belief system also should be a warning, to some anyway.

I'm just expressing my opinion and personal findings and I don't expect to change your point of view on Icke. Research what I'm saying and lets compare notes and have a civil dialogue about it. All I'm saying is take your time and keep an open but critical mind about what he's saying as you should anyone.

Alex talks alot about people mixing in the truth with lies - that happens a lot. I've seen Icke say some very true statements about NWO that I think everyone here can agree on and there's no question that Icke is a very smart individual but there is another side to that story whether or not anyone else excepts it.

Peace...

[pac522]

Thanks for answering my dumb question ... but it is a question that has baffled mankind since before we had a written language ... how and by whom was it constructed (I mean them ... pyramids by the score). Simply put, the Gizah pyramid is impossible ... but there it is. The base covering about 14 acres ... estimated between three-four million stones, many VERY large and perfectly cut, so that the apex point is within 1/4 inch of perfect center of the construction.

I have read tons about the Egyptians and the Great Pyramid ... and I know that Icke has too ... it is impossible, but there it sits.

    If it took 20 years to build the great pyramid:  20 years = 2,644,500 minutes
    Working 24 hours a day they would need to lay more that one of the massive
    perfectly worked stones per minute.
 
                                                                   
If you have never read a good book about its construction, please do ... I guarantee that you will begin to look at alternative histories to explain its reality ... as well as MANY other impossible sites around the world.

I don't know if there was a period in this planet's history when there were highly advanced technologies (probably better than we have today) here ... but it is the only explanation I (and most others who are informed) have.

Icke has just studied the ancient writings ... looked at the physical evidence ... and is
telling the people his conclusions. If you want to poo-poo it ... fine. Not all of us do ...
but we have discounted the given kindergarten explanations long ago.

A good place to start: Secrets of the Great Pyramid ~ Peter Tompkins, 1978
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Discoveries-Surrounding/dp/0883659573

And this is the other half of the nutshell. Yes, believe in the prophets and a higher power. But also know unexplainable things have happened and many others have come before. To deny this is not only stupid but irresponsible.

[Jordan]

Thanks for answering my dumb question ... but it is a question that has baffled mankind since before we had a written language ... how and by whom was it constructed (I mean them ... pyramids by the score). Simply put, the Gizah pyramid is impossible ... but there it is. The base covering about 14 acres ... estimated between three-four million stones, many VERY large and perfectly cut, so that the apex point is within 1/4 inch of perfect center of the construction.

I have read tons about the Egyptians and the Great Pyramid ... and I know that Icke has too ... it is impossible, but there it sits.

    If it took 20 years to build the great pyramid:  20 years = 2,644,500 minutes
    Working 24 hours a day they would need to lay more that one of the massive
    perfectly worked stones per minute.
 

"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein. Like how many slaves did egypt have? etc.. You can't really base stats on unknowns without making some pretty big assumptions.
          

                                                       
If you have never read a good book about its construction, please do ... I guarantee that you will begin to look at alternative histories to explain its reality ... as well as MANY other impossible sites around the world.

I don't know if there was a period in this planet's history when there were highly advanced technologies (probably better than we have today) here ... but it is the only explanation I (and most others who are informed) have.

I believe this and I wont turn this into a religious lecture but it seems that people just don't want to except historic discoveries that puzzle up to biblical history. There was an article not too long ago about ancient indoor plumbing that was unearthed in the babylonian ruins, egypt also had plumbing. A good many of the things we have now have been traced back to ancient history.

So it's not far fetched to think that humans were smarter back then, even if it was only because they didn't drink fluoride

Icke has just studied the ancient writings ... looked at the physical evidence ... and is
telling the people his conclusions. If you want to poo-poo it ... fine. Not all of us do ...
but we have discounted the given kindergarten explanations long ago.

A good place to start: Secrets of the Great Pyramid ~ Peter Tompkins, 1978
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Discoveries-Surrounding/dp/0883659573

Here's some excerpts from scintific findings on the Great Pyramids:

"It was at this point in the conversation that I burst out laughing, says Barsoum. If the pyramids were indeed cast, he says, someone should have proven it beyond a doubt by now, in this day and age, with just a few hours of electron microscopy.

It turned out that nobody had completely proven the theory yet.

What started as a two-hour project turned into a five-year odyssey that I undertook with one of my graduate students, Adrish Ganguly, and a colleague in France, Gilles Hug, Barsoum says.

A year and a half later, after extensive scanning electron microscope (SEM) observations and other testing, Barsoum and his research group finally began to draw some conclusions about the pyramids. They found that the tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone. The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a..."


"More startlingly, Barsoum and another of his graduate students, Aaron Sakulich, recently discovered the presence of silicon dioxide nanoscale spheres (with diameters only billionths of a meter across) in one of the samples. This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone."


"As if the scientific evidence isn’t enough, Barsoum has pointed out a number of common sense reasons why the pyramids were not likely constructed entirely of chiseled limestone blocks.

Egyptologists are consistently confronted by unanswered questions: How is it possible that some of the blocks are so perfectly matched that not even a human hair can be inserted between them? Why, despite the existence of millions of tons of stone, carved presumably with copper chisels, has not one copper chisel ever been found on the Giza Plateau?"


http://www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html


Here's more:
http://archives.citypaper.net/articles/2009/01/22/drexel-michel-barsoum-egyptian-pyramids

It seems like the wilder tail or fairy tale lie it is the more people want to believe in it. AJ rants on this subject almost daily. Scientifically the answer is right here and the more that time goes on the more rational answers we'll uncover.

I don't know, is this scientific evidence enough for people to stop believing alien general contractors or will they continue to believe in science fiction because some non qualified alien clairvoyant knows the NWO buzz words?

[MrSwe]

I've been to the pyramids at Giza lot's of times, been inside of them, and it's one of the coolest things you'll ever visit! If you can before you leave this world, do!

With the possibility of being called a shapeshifting reptillian agent covering up how aliens built the pyramids and every other ancient monument and feat of engineering on the planet,
let me answer the pyramid question:

It was NOT built by slave labor, this was understood i think 20 years ago or so when they found the houses of the workers below the Gizah plateau. They also studied their bones and found that they had recieved the some of the best medical treatment available. They were highly skilled workers, not expendable slaves. In fact Egypt was never the "harsh slave land" as for example Rome was.


The best explenation so far is that of french architect Jean-Pierre Houdin, who quit his job as an architect to focus only on solving the mystery. And he did so for 8 years before coming to his conclusion!


Great Pyramid Built Inside Out, French Architect Says

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/04/070402-great-pyramid.html


Here's a documentary about him and his findings. He theory has been widely accepted among many big egyptologists as the best theory to date.

http://video.ezinemark.com/great-pyramid-of-giza-reexamined-new-theories-1-of-5-4409f138b70.html

Wether Jean-Pierre Houdin is right, or partly right, remains to be seen. But I am positive that he is at least partly right.

[Jackson Holly]

The inside-out ramp hypothesis
makes a little more sense than an
exterior ramp system ... but reduces
the labor factor minutely as I
understand it. It will eventually be
dismissed I believe as simply a
computer-generated fantasy.

A conventional ramp is also fantasy.

Consider: Assuming one had the
labor available (hundreds of thousands
of workers for perhaps 500-1,000 years) for
the one pyramid ... this involves other
supporting industries ... housing/feeding
the city of workers, forestry in countries far
away to grow and import millions of trees
for rollers, military to provide a flow of slaves,
ship-building to bring the stones the hundreds
of miles from the quarries, thousands more
highly skilled stone masons to quarry the stones,
and on and on.

After the 'sub-floors' were laid the next step would
be starting the construction of the ramp ... a much
larger project than the pyramid itself. To maintain
an inclined plane to make the manual moving of the
larger stones ANYWHERE near feasible, it would have
to be (I'm guessing) miles long ... the math
has been done but I forget ... and constantly rebuilt
for each new 'floor'. By the time they got to the top
'floors' the ramp would be MUCH larger than the pyramid
itself ... then they would have to dis-assemble it.

 ... then there's the GEOMETRY of the damn thing!

[Georgiacopguy]

Hate to say this cop, but you are as blatant as Barry in flipping the truth...

I defy you to find one instance on this forum where anyone has vilified anyone just because they don't like David Icke...

I can show you whole threads where you and others have vilified folks as Kooks, new-agers, fan-boys, and as false Christians... just because they opined that they do like David Icke...

The thread running on the Live Show page right now is filled with your stuff not just aimed at Icke, but the people who like him as well.

Sorry cop... you hit my radar screen... I will now keep you honest.

JTCoyoté

"But a Constitution of Government once
changed from Freedom, can never be restored.
Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." ~John Adams

JT, you've all but called us directly COINTELPRO because we do not see things your way concerning Icke, and we are outspoken. Thats a bit like vilifying somebody, because it creates an aire of belief that we are what you suggest we are. I have a very low opinion of Icke, I make no secret of it, I also have a low opinion of anyone foolish enough to think he is on to something. As I said earlier, I make no secret of my contempt for people. I will not utter gossip in their direction.I just call it like i see it. People dont like labels it would seem, but Im here to remind everyone that they too have taken part in labeling Christians all too often. Whats good for the geese is good for the gander yes? You guys bought into hedging christians into a corner, labeling us, it would seem that that investment is coming full circle for you. When a person takes a stance, they had best be prepared to defend that stance, as well as shoulder possible ridicule for taking that position. We as Christians do, we do so proudly. Yet we do still get the pleaure of pointing out the irony and hypocricy of it all. So keep me honest as well, just know we all expect the same of you. Intellectual honesty is not quite the same as moral honesty.

Thanks for answering my dumb question ... but it is a question that has baffled mankind since before we had a written language ... how and by whom was it constructed (I mean them ... pyramids by the score). Simply put, the Gizah pyramid is impossible ... but there it is. The base covering about 14 acres ... estimated between three-four million stones, many VERY large and perfectly cut, so that the apex point is within 1/4 inch of perfect center of the construction.

I have read tons about the Egyptians and the Great Pyramid ... and I know that Icke has too ... it is impossible, but there it sits.

    If it took 20 years to build the great pyramid:  20 years = 2,644,500 minutes
    Working 24 hours a day they would need to lay more that one of the massive
    perfectly worked stones per minute.
 
                                                                   
If you have never read a good book about its construction, please do ... I guarantee that you will begin to look at alternative histories to explain its reality ... as well as MANY other impossible sites around the world.

I don't know if there was a period in this planet's history when there were highly advanced technologies (probably better than we have today) here ... but it is the only explanation I (and most others who are informed) have.

Icke has just studied the ancient writings ... looked at the physical evidence ... and is
telling the people his conclusions. If you want to poo-poo it ... fine. Not all of us do ...
but we have discounted the given kindergarten explanations long ago.

A good place to start: Secrets of the Great Pyramid ~ Peter Tompkins, 1978
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Great-Pyramid-Discoveries-Surrounding/dp/0883659573

It's not a dumb question aty all, it's just not I can answer given my limited knowledge on the subject.I'd like to know the answer myself. I'm just not the type of person to throw a theory at it and say, "Sounds good to me, looks like it'll stick for now. Next subject." All Icke does is specualte, and insert his own theories into an already confused subject, to capitalize on it, brand it, and make it marketable as his alone.

[cjag-inc]

Keep all doors open. That's my motto.

bingo !!!

and awake person speaks......

[MrSwe]

The inside-out ramp hypothesis
makes a little more sense than an
exterior ramp system ... but reduces
the labor factor minutely as I
understand it. It will eventually be
dismissed I believe as simply a
computer-generated fantasy.

Who knows.
I don't think it's the exact way either, but I do think at least some aspects of the theory is correct. It's the best yet.



And yeah the organisation behind it all is often overlooked by people. People from all over egypt and material from not just all over egypt but even from far away lands such as Byblos was needed!

[ekimdrachir]

Icke wrote that? I feel sorry for the guy now. But everyone sees the same things differently.

[pac522]

Who knows.
I don't think it's the exact way either, but I do think at least some aspects of the theory is correct. It's the best yet.



And yeah the organisation behind it all is often overlooked by people. People from all over egypt and material from not just all over egypt but even from far away lands such as Byblos was needed!

The pyramids are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many monolithic structures around the world that have no inkling of an explanation as to how or who built them. Stones bigger than modern day equipment can move.

[MrSwe]

The pyramids are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many monolithic structures around the world that have no inkling of an explanation as to how or who built them. Stones bigger than modern day equipment can move.

Don't underestimate the ancients.

[Jordan]

The pyramids are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many monolithic structures around the world that have no inkling of an explanation as to how or who built them. Stones bigger than modern day equipment can move.

Yes and so were the stones of the Great pyramids, and there was no explaination of the Great pyramids till some scientists figured it out with modern technology. The stones were poured in to casts. It's almost a no brainer yet, people still want to believe in little green lizard shape shifters before they believe in an all mighty being. Irony.

Whether or not you believe what science, history, the bible tells you is up to you but there's no getting past Icke teaching theosophy, thats what he does.

Again, I'm just trying to give you a heads up as to what that means and what it is that he's teaching people. A little leaven ...

[Jackson Holly]

Yes and so were the stones of the Great pyramids, and there was no explaination of the Great pyramids till some scientists figured it out with modern technology. The stones were poured in to casts. It's almost a no brainer yet, people still want to believe in little green lizard shape shifters before they believe in an all mighty being. Irony.

Whether or not you believe what science, history, the bible tells you is up to you but there's no getting past Icke teaching theosophy, thats what he does.

Again, I'm just trying to give you a heads up as to what that means and what it is that he's teaching people. A little leaven ...

Dude ... we know where the stones were quarried.

[Jordan]

Dude ... we know where the stones were quarried.

HJ let me put this up there for you again - this is current science not from housebuilders assoc., but from scientists using technology to make and back their claim. It's not a guess or speculation any longer. They found the stone were poured in casts and not quarried at all. The composition of the stones has been fully analyzed now and proved to be a mixture and not natural.

Just keeping you up to date... dude.




http://www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html


Here's more:
http://archives.citypaper.net/articles/2009/01/22/drexel-michel-barsoum-egyptian-pyramids

[donnay]

Alex is talking about this right now.

[EvadingGrid]

AJ is talking a lot of sense

[donnay]

AJ is talking a lot of sense

I agree...to fight within just gives the elites the edge.  We have to learn to united to expose the evil within the world!

[chris jones]

Don't underestimate the ancients.

MrSwe. I like that, don't underestimate the ancients. I'm not in on any debate, for the simple reason I'm ignorent to the origins of these ancient edifices. I have spoken with architects, , engineers etc, and these subjects have been brought up. Their bottom line is that with all of our technoligy we could not duplicate these structures. They are inigmas, unexplainable, therfor they have been researched by pros and mankinds inherit curiosity is peaked.
  If,If,If at some point in earths history a civilization was further advanced than history gives them credit for, it may be they left us reminders of their existance. Who truly has the answer?
  One thing does come to mind, if Iran is invaded and nukes are falling upon this earth , we are in for a repeat of the stone age. A few thousand years after a nuke war, tribes would have begun, if they were to exposed to the technoligy we have today, they would consider us either Gods or Demons.
  I remember a quote, there are more mysterys on earth than in all the heavens.

[Jackson Holly]

HJ let me put this up there for you again - this is current science not from housebuilders assoc., but from scientists using technology to make and back their claim. It's not a guess or speculation any longer. They found the stone were poured in casts and not quarried at all. The composition of the stones has been fully analyzed now and proved to be a mixture and not natural.

Just keeping you up to date... dude.




http://www.livescience.com/1554-surprising-truth-great-pyramids-built.html


Here's more:
http://archives.citypaper.net/articles/2009/01/22/drexel-michel-barsoum-egyptian-pyramids

I know about the cast stone hypothesis ... I just meant to say
that the Aswan and other quarries are no doubt the source for
the huge limestone blocks ... (and granite?) ... theoretically carved
with copper instruments.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dimaruss34/4675551612/in/set-72157624092040957

MrSwe. I like that, don't underestimate the ancients. I'm not in on any debate, for the simple reason I'm ignorent to the origins of these ancient edifices. I have spoken with architects, , engineers etc, and these subjects have been brought up. Their bottom line is that with all of our technoligy we could not duplicate these structures. They are inigmas, unexplainable, therfor they have been researched by pros and mankinds inherit curiosity is peaked.
  If,If,If at some point in earths history a civilization was further advanced than history gives them credit for, it may be they left us reminders of their existance. Who truly has the answer?
  One thing does come to mind, if Iran is invaded and nukes are falling upon this earth , we are in for a repeat of the stone age. A few thousand years after a nuke war, tribes would have begun, if they were to exposed to the technoligy we have today, they would consider us either Gods or Demons.
  I remember a quote, there are more mysterys on earth than in all the heavens.

Nice post, Chris!

[PeaceAndFreedom]

The flow of this thread reminds me of the ancient anomalies uncovered by Jonathan Gray:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=215911

[Jackson Holly]

The flow of this thread reminds me of the ancient anomalies uncovered by Jonathan Gray:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=215911

Yeah, I just brought it up trying to make the point that it is
perfectly sane, like ICKE, to consider alternative theories ...

[KazKru]

Yes and so were the stones of the Great pyramids, and there was no explaination of the Great pyramids till some scientists figured it out with modern technology. The stones were poured in to casts. It's almost a no brainer yet, people still want to believe in little green lizard shape shifters before they believe in an all mighty being. Irony.

Whether or not you believe what science, history, the bible tells you is up to you but there's no getting past Icke teaching theosophy, thats what he does.

Again, I'm just trying to give you a heads up as to what that means and what it is that he's teaching people. A little leaven ...

An intersting theory, but if that's the explanation for how the ancients did it, it still does not even come close to explaining other ancient structures that were clearly not a sandstone type mix.  Take Saqsaywaman in Cusco, Peru, which I have been to.  Rectangular stone blocks, many of which weighing up to 125 tons, stacked one on top of the other, fitted with such precision so as not to allow even a whisper of light to pass through, nor even the ability to slip a piece of paper into any part of the joints.  The rocks of Saqsaywaman are clearly not poured but rather are igneous rock quarried from the Andes mountain range.

So it's possible to explain away the pyramids with the poured rock theory (which may be correct), but that still doesn't account for the wisdom of the ancients with regard to other structures.

[Jackson Holly]

An intersting theory, but if that's the explanation for how the ancients did it, it still does not even come close to explaining other ancient structures that were clearly not a sandstone type mix.  Take Saqsaywaman in Cusco, Peru, which I have been to.  Rectangular stone blocks, many of which weighing up to 125 tons, stacked one on top of the other, fitted with such precision so as not to allow even a whisper of light to pass through, nor even the ability to slip a piece of paper into any part of the joints.  The rocks of Saqsaywaman are clearly not poured but rather are igneous rock quarried from the Andes mountain range.

So it's possible to explain away the pyramids with the poured rock theory (which may be correct), but that still doesn't account for the wisdom of the ancients with regard to other structures.

EXACTLY!  Please ... take a look at
this post from the way-back machine ...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=198.msg265845#msg265845

[MrSwe]

EXACTLY!  Please ... take a look at
this post from the way-back machine ...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=198.msg265845#msg265845

The baalbek rocks are really an incredible mystery!
I've been there too actually, when I was 5 years old! It's a big place!

[The Kingfish]

I think Icke comes off in his writing about Ventura as everything he accuses him of being... arrogant, immature, short-cited.  If Icke were really half as knowledgeable as he presents himself, he would know how to express his feelings about Ventura without making himself look like an @$$.  I sorta always agreed with Alex's initial 'turd in the punchbowl' assessment of Icke but thought at least he puts out some real information on heavy subjects.  Now I've pretty much lost all respect for him... 

[MrSwe]

Well I sure lost some respect for him as well.
 Whatever.. no ones perfect.

[Jordan]

An intersting theory, but if that's the explanation for how the ancients did it, it still does not even come close to explaining other ancient structures that were clearly not a sandstone type mix.  Take Saqsaywaman in Cusco, Peru, which I have been to.  Rectangular stone blocks, many of which weighing up to 125 tons, stacked one on top of the other, fitted with such precision so as not to allow even a whisper of light to pass through, nor even the ability to slip a piece of paper into any part of the joints.  The rocks of Saqsaywaman are clearly not poured but rather are igneous rock quarried from the Andes mountain range.

So it's possible to explain away the pyramids with the poured rock theory (which may be correct), but that still doesn't account for the wisdom of the ancients with regard to other structures.

What part is theory to you? They scientifically discovery that the limestone wasn't cut but was mixed and poured? Other structures, like the ones you speak of need to be analyzed just like the Great Pyramids for clarification, that would help to stop the nonesense. It's a fact now. They have used scientific technology to find the limestone was made like concrete and is NOT natural. Fact... it's not a theory. That's how science works...

stacked one on top of the other, fitted with such precision so as not to allow even a whisper of light to pass through, nor even the ability to slip a piece of paper into any part of the joints.

I'd read the article again. They brought that up and clearly pointed the reason out. In fact they almost used the exact same words you did. How could you miss that part of the article?

The rocks of Saqsaywaman are clearly not poured but rather are igneous rock quarried from the Andes mountain range.

Really? I must have missed the scientific research on this one. Do you still have it? Cuz right now all you see is a few UFO hunters running around saying OMG OMG aliens must have done this because I can't figure it out, hence it has to be something from another planet! Makes perfect sense. Right?

You know I love guys like Giorgio Tsoukalos and I make it a point to watch him when he's on Discovery / History (nice NWO channel) but even he says crazy things. Occam's razor ends up flip turned upside down any time discovery channel gets their hands on it.


"You see how crazy the leadership on this planet is? only Aliens can be that crazy Therefore:"


? ? ?

Don't just read one side of a story and say "it has to be true". There are many things we don't know however just because there isn't a clear answer now doesn't make it naturally aliens, lizard shape shifters, greys, whatever.

http://badarchaeology.wordpress.com/2011/09/17/i-remember-why-i%E2%80%99ve-never-wanted-satellite-television/

http://www.dumbassguide.info/blog.php?bid=87

I'm not saying we have all the answers and there are many things human beings just don't know or understand but to jump to conclusions and say everything is aliens because YOU don't understand it is not using logic or common sense. It borders on superstition. Everyone is really quick to swallow what Icke and others say in this regard but never really look into it any further then a few youtube videos to support their beliefs. Thinking outside the box would also include critical thinking, not a complete and utter lack and disregard of coherent logic. Question everything... Prove it to yourself.

Seriously, History channel rejects any theory on Kennedy's assassination contrary to the NWO party line, but hey, aliens and Nostradamus Effect, Ghost Hunters naa thats cool. WTH? Is the History channel pandering to the brain dead now? Educated people are dangerous, which is why TV 'programming' exists.

Backing up Icke's beliefs with this speculative juju just makes him lose more credibitity.

[masterofthemoon]

In case anyone missed this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uolDZ6xP4&feature=feedu
Good to see he's playing peacemaker 

[Jackson Holly]

Jordan:

They scientifically discovery that the limestone wasn't cut but was mixed and poured?

That theory is weak ... we have always known the ancient world
knew brick-making ... but I don't believe the stonework is
'cast' for a minute ... I am a little surprised people are still
citing it and showing that funny video with the guys in
'Walk-Like-An-Egyptian' drag.

[Jordan]

Jordan:
That theory is weak ... we have always known the ancient world
knew brick-making ... but I don't believe the stonework is
'cast' for a minute ... I am a little surprised people are still
citing it and showing that funny video with the guys in
'Walk-Like-An-Egyptian' drag.

Which theory are you referring to?

[MrSwe]

I've never heard of that liquid limestone theory before. Sounds made up  

[Jackson Holly]

Which theory are you referring to?

I didn't realize people were still taking the
theory that the pyramid was built with 'cast'
stone (concrete) seriously.

[iks83]

I didn't realize people were still taking the
theory that the pyramid was built with 'cast'
stone (concrete) seriously.

Well I dont know about the pyramids but there are huge stones around some ancient sites that have scoop marks. And the explanation by the newager type of people is that they knew a secret brew that turns stone soft.... right. Casted stone is the best explanation for all the unexplained things like holes, round edges, etc where they say the stone is too hard to make those things with the tools back then. Especially the holes. And for how the pyramids were built... they didnt need ramps like that as that one guy demonstrated who moves stonehenge like slabs around on his own. But that is stuff for a different topic... I thought this one is about Icke and Ventura.