David Icke meeting with Jesse Ventura this past weekend.....interesting comments

[Satyagraha]

This has raised all kinds of controversy, sad in a way. Some have said the both of them are off their nut, others have praised them.
  I hope this episode doesn't get folks all worked up and create divisions , or become a form of entertainment JV vs ICKE. Nah, that wouldn't be a very positive move would it.
 

There are people who thrive on creating divisions among us; they sit back and laugh as we rip each other to bits, then they trot off to their meetings to plan the next phase of the NWO agenda. We'll continue fighting while they prepare to enslave us. We're so damned cooperative.

[PeaceAndFreedom]

AJ always says, research for yourself, don't just take his word for it. But Icke can't get you to research for yourself, he's the sole source of his drivel. He doesn't want you to think for yourself either, or else you might discern he is full of it. AJ won't talk about what he cannot prove. It's a shame Icke has no such compunctions.

A caveat about this approach is that AJ has not been consistent with it. He really does not want to talk about occult concepts, yet does go on half hour monologue rants at times on spiritual topics. Several aspects of paranormal issues ARE based on government admissions or mainstream media reports, but he won't talk about them, dismissing entire subjects as "can't prove it" even though the same kind of proof exists that he points to in documenting martial law or the NWO. And he'll have guests like Icke on, knowing they will get into those areas anyway. This inconsistency and mixed signals contributes to the Jesse/Icke type face-offs.

[JT Coyoté]

A caveat about this approach is that AJ has not been consistent with it. He really does not want to talk about occult concepts, yet does go on half hour monologue rants at times on spiritual topics. Several aspects of paranormal issues ARE based on government admissions or mainstream media reports, but he won't talk about them, dismissing entire subjects as "can't prove it" even though the same kind of proof exists that he points to in documenting martial law or the NWO. And he'll have guests like Icke on, knowing they will get into those areas anyway. This inconsistency and mixed signals contributes to the Jesse/Icke type face-offs.

Last night I listened to several of Alex's Icke interviews... when they are together the discussion is always on Ickes "spiritual" ground, his take, with Alex providing the connecting points and counterpoints and the exchange is always good... last weeks interview was a case in point. Alex's talks with Jesse are very much the same but on a different level, Jesse is agnostic, okay...

On his own, Alex will come at the spiritual in a Christian Biblical way since that is what he knows... he doesn't do it that often since as he points out constantly, this is a news talk show to get out information and dispel the globalist dis-info...

To call his approach inconsistent is silly. It is very consistent and has been for years... any mixed signals you feel are by your own inference I assure you, and are the exception... since by and large most who listen and have over the years see the larger picture and how it all fits... I suggest you work on broadening you view a bit.

JTCoyoté

"Property is surely a right of
mankind as real as liberty."
~John Adams

[PeaceAndFreedom]

I am specifically saying when I have read or listened to info about UFOs, for example, it has been because the discussion was based on government reports, or documented by mainstream media reports, the same criteria AJ uses to document the topics he does want to talk about. If Jones was consistent, he would talk about such subjects where the evidence of this same type existed, instead of saying "he can't prove it" in a blanket way. If the topic isn't important to him, just say so, instead of saying it's not proveable.

Yes, AJ has been consistent for years about dealing with the NWO, martial law, false flags, and eugenics, because this is what he really wants to talk about. No problem, it would just be more accurate for him to say these topics are the focus of his show, instead of inaccurately stating these are the only ones "he can prove" as a way of skirting the other topics under the rug or belittling them, except when he feels like talking about them anyway.

[Jordan]

to say one follows somebody does not mean they worship them,i follow lots of info as well,its good to know your enemy.

you get a broad picture of things.

to  listen to a christian person try to debunk someone who goes totally against all they have been indoctrinated with there whole life,is like listening to basketball expert explain ping pong..

its counter productive.

If he follows someone and quotes them to establish his own statements of truth I'd say he's a worshiper or at least a propagator of that belief - no?

[Georgiacopguy]

I am specifically saying when I have read or listened to info about UFOs, for example, it has been because the discussion was based on government reports, or documented by mainstream media reports, the same criteria AJ uses to document the topics he does want to talk about. If Jones was consistent, he would talk about such subjects where the evidence of this same type existed, instead of saying "he can't prove it" in a blanket way. If the topic isn't important to him, just say so, instead of saying it's not proveable.

Yes, AJ has been consistent for years about dealing with the NWO, martial law, false flags, and eugenics, because this is what he really wants to talk about. No problem, it would just be more accurate for him to say these topics are the focus of his show, instead of inaccurately stating these are the only ones "he can prove" as a way of skirting the other topics under the rug or belittling them, except when he feels like talking about them anyway.

for the record....
David Icke is not the first person,or the ONLY person to say lizard people rule the earth,nor is he the last...

imo
and no disrespect to you in anyway,but you sir have a very closed mind.
open your mind to wonder and not held to a belief !!

the comments that i have spoken in Know way should lead you to believe that i believe Icke 100%
or any others with such claims,but i do listen to any body and every body at any time,then and only then ,can you ]dissever what you just heard.

I'll open my mind to what i see fit friend. There is a world of things I CAN prove, rather than mentally masturbate to things which I cannot.

"When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)  

Which is a nice way of saying if you open your mind to everything, no telling what will get in there.

As far as the Christian argument, the Christian debate does not have the massive potential to have the entire movement laughed off the face of the planet and discredited. Christianity sort of gets a pass because it has a lot of mainstream appeal. There is also an effort for the most part to not make the movement a Christian movement. As it shouldn't be. Oddly enough though, people have no problem with allowing Icke to attach himself and his kooky beliefs to the movement and give him a pass he should not get, nor deserves. Because when you throw shape shifters and lizard men in there, people are "Whoa there guy." And shut you out or laugh at you. While there are agnostics and atheists that are pissed off that Christianity exists, we still manage to get along a good bit of the time around here. But Icke comes up, people get pissed off, things get divisive, and nothing good comes of it.

@PeaceAndFreedom- I do have to agree with JT here. AJ goes out of his way to be as consistent as possible. And I think he does as good a job as he can to keep the show on track, and not let it divert into "Faith or spiritual talk", which is generally difficult for a Christian to do, as once you become a Christian, it tends to shift your views and focus in ways that are difficult to explain.

@Cjag-inc - As far as UFO's AJ avoids it, because it is the kind of talk that would get us labeled as kooks, it is not presently provable, and the empirical data set that exists is not strong enough to validate that it exists. Hence, AJ avoids it. It is also niche material, and not relevant to the NWO, other than Project Bluebeam which may be used to confuse people and allow the NWO to engineer their control grids to further take control. Not to mention there are also niche shows which delve into that material ad nauseum (Coast 2 Coast for instance.) AJ is very clear on the purposes of his show, and what it will cover.

[KazKru]

The only thing regarding this scenario that would have made it even more interesting, and a bigger freakshow, would have been if it was a debate between Icke and Ventura, moderated by Charlie Sheen!

[PeaceAndFreedom]

Just to clarify one more time, Jones has been consistent about the topics he wants to talk about, and which ones he does not. But he has NOT been consistent about the "discussing only things He can prove" principle. He wants to recognize government admissions and mainstream media reports when they document his claims about the NWO et al, but does not want to recognize government admissions and mainstream media reports where they document claims about UFOs, etc. He cites the evidence canard to justify why he won't delve into X topics, when the real issue is he just doesn't want to delve into X topics on his show, whether there's evidence for them or not.

Okay, if he doesn't want 'his' topics to 'look kooky' by having them associated with X topics, nothing's wrong with him just SAYING SO, instead of putting up the false Jericho wall of "my issues are proveable, yours are not," when in fact many paranormal topics are proveable. The balkanizing approach of protecting "my issues" from contamination by "your issues" happens all over the web. Why won't ronpaulforums or antiwar.com talk more bluntly about 9-11 truth and false flags? Because some mods there don't want to 'look kooky' by getting "their issues" about non-interventionism getting bogged down in "our" conspiracy theories.

Why won't some UFO researchers take other paranormal issues more seriously, or vice versa, even where eyewitnesses say they saw both UFO and other paranormal sightings in close proximity? Because the UFO people don't want to 'look kooky' by having "their evidence" mixed up with that "wacky stuff," and vice versa. Perhaps these balkanized Jericho walls are holding up a lot of progress that would be jointly made, if each set of truthseekers conceded the proveable aspects of each other's issues, instead of distancing themselves from each other and staying divided.

[JT Coyoté]

There are people who thrive on creating divisions among us; they sit back and laugh as we rip each other to bits, then they trot off to their meetings to plan the next phase of the NWO agenda. We'll continue fighting while they prepare to enslave us. We're so damned cooperative.

Well said, Saty.

We're cooperative as slaves to our moneyed masters... yet uncooperative with each other in throwing off their chains.

At this point we need to be fusing our individual power together in finding the points upon which we agree and understand... that would be the Constitution.

 We need to fuse a solid sphere of truth and understanding and then get verbally violent with this government. Alex asks, where are the Patriots... those who know what we are now facing. Lets get together, and begin moving, solidly together to a point of action.

Otherwise we are about as effective as a big pick-up driving pot bellied neo-redneck yelling, "Mayk-em a glaiss paorkin lot!"...

The show today is one of Alex's best in getting down to this understanding.

Oldyoti

"Letting a bunch of foreign banks take over your
country, and send us off to war... by the way, the
same Mega-bankers through the media they own
will demonize us in Europe and in the media they
own here, say the war is good... they're blaming
this whole stinking world government on the
American People...an' we're PAYING FOR IT!"
~Alex Jones, on the air, 11/13/11

[iks83]

I agree with Icke but Icke has absolutely no right to complain. Especially with his recent theories about the moon and that humans and animals in the past didnt have to eat food because they got their energy from some magical field. Its so silly. His talks about the NWO and the slavegrid and globalism are great but then BAM he comes out with the next total crazy stuff.

But Ventura usually falls for everything. Seriously when he mentioned Jody Wood on Alex' show I facepalmed so hard I almost broke my nose. So he doesnt read anything Icke wrote or watch his presentation but believes some crazy doctor holding up pictures claiming energy beam weapons did 9/11. There is more proof for Ickes reptilians than there is for Wood and her energy weapons.

[worcesteradam]

David Icke, the man with the empty eyes

[Jordan]

David Icke, the man with the empty eyes

Lizard eyes .. look carefully and you'll see a grey reptilian from outpost OMEGA.




Look at his eye. lizzard eye .. proof positive he's a grey from epsolon 4, how can we trust a lizard to war us about lizzards I ask you mates?

[Georgiacopguy]

Oh stop it guys, we should welcome Icke into the movement since he is obviously anti- NWO and all of the crazy things he said in the past are in the past... We should all make an effort to get along, even if the person we are welcoming in can discredit us just by breathing. His lunatic comments cannot possibly make it more difficult for us to enlighten other people. You know, the very people who hav a hard tiem grasping that there is even an NWO. Lizard people and hollow moons and what not are so much easier subjects to grasp. And NOT laugh at.

[resist.tyranny]

I don't know if reptilians run the place, but I can say one thing for certain, the elites ARE a different species.  Even if they have red blood and look like us, they are definitely different than everyone else.  You can't condemn millions/billions to die and say you are human. 

Anyway, I can kinda feel where Icke is coming from.  I feel the same way.  Jesse tends to be "Al Bundy" like and lives in the past glories.  He loves throwing around the Navy Seal/Governor card.  It is quite irritating.  Plus he's got a point that being a trained killer is not something to be proud of, which he seems to be. 

I also find Jesse to be somewhat close-minded. Unless you spoon feed him all the facts, and then let him digest it in his own time, he may come around.  I think a Ron Paul/Alex Jones would make a much better ticket.  At least AJ has critical thinking skills and knows how to do research. 

     

[goforward]

Thought comes to mind how is Icke different from Peter Joseph, Jordan Maxwell, and Michael Tsarion?

[decepticon]

Thought comes to mind how is Icke different from Peter Joseph, Jordan Maxwell, and Michael Tsarion?

British accent

[Jordan]

Oh stop it guys, we should welcome Icke into the movement since he is obviously anti- NWO and all of the crazy things he said in the past are in the past... We should all make an effort to get along, even if the person we are welcoming in can discredit us just by breathing. His lunatic comments cannot possibly make it more difficult for us to enlighten other people. You know, the very people who hav a hard tiem grasping that there is even an NWO. Lizard people and hollow moons and what not are so much easier subjects to grasp. And NOT laugh at.

How can anyone take him seriously? I think the whole thing is very funny and dangerous at the same time. He will say something absolutely intelligent and then follow it with "they are shape shifting reptilians" and instantly lose all credit for the first part of his statement. It really does make him sound like a con. I'm sorry if others believe in this mans story but you really need to understand where his philosophy is coming from. http://youtu.be/FbEgvx1qelw


David Icke is a distraction that ursurps strength from other awakening movements an sheep to empower his own theosophy movement which really stated with Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky. These two are hardcore NWO planners and satanists. Don't take my word for it research it yourself.  Alice Bailey is DIRECTLY tied to bilderberg, CFR and trilateral commission. She has written many books that have detailed plans for a global government that SHE called " the new world order" and this was in the late 1800's and early 1900's. You should read some of those quotes from her books because Icke does it all the time, supportively.


Satanic NWO trash at best, follow it if you like but do read about it first.

[goforward]

British accent

lol  nuff said

[decepticon]

How can anyone take him seriously?

I heard an interesting theory from Patrice O'neal (comedian, RIP) on the Opie and Anthony show, which you should youtube if you haven't heard it...

He basically says everyone who is exposing NWO has to seem crazy to throw people off or TPTB will kill them. If you look at Bill Cooper he's the last pure truther to be of even keel. If you attack them directly and sanely with exponential exposure, bad things tend to happen.

(this is not intended as an attack on AJ, just the stereotype that's out there)
AJ screams and throws fits making him out to be the crazy redneck hillbilly.
Icke is all good till he throws in the Omega complex on the back side of the moon.
Ventura is not too crazy, but he doesn't directly attack. (Meaning make accusations, he just asks 1000 questions)
Max Keiser plays the roll of socialst sympathizing traitor.

Can anyone name a Bill Cooper type alive today ? I wasn't awake when Cooper was around, but he seemed like a laser-pointed, hair-trigger, satcom-guided, gps-located, heat-detecting, infrared, night-vision, intercontinental, bunker-busting, ballistic truth missle from space. Oh yeah and he had a nuclear warhead 

[Dok]

Can anyone name a Bill Cooper type alive today ?

Scott Johnson www.contendingfortruth.com

[decepticon]

Scott Johnson www.contendingfortruth.com

Thanks, I get a "database error". I'll try back later on, Googling yielded many Scott Johnsons.

[Dok]

Thanks, I get a "database error". I'll try back later on, Googling yielded many Scott Johnsons.

dont know, im on the site now.

try these
http://www.cftresources.com/
http://currenteventsandbiblestudy.blogspot.com/

[Satyagraha]

I wasn't awake when Cooper was around, but he seemed like a laser-pointed, hair-trigger, satcom-guided, gps-located, heat-detecting, infrared, night-vision, intercontinental, bunker-busting, ballistic truth missle from space. Oh yeah and he had a nuclear warhead[/b][/color]  

That completely sums up Bill Cooper. Miss that guy.

[Jordan]

I heard an interesting theory from Patrice O'neal (comedian, RIP) on the Opie and Anthony show, which you should youtube if you haven't heard it...

He basically says everyone who is exposing NWO has to seem crazy to throw people off or TPTB will kill them. If you look at Bill Cooper he's the last pure truther to be of even keel. If you attack them directly and sanely with exponential exposure, bad things tend to happen.

I'm not sure how crazy would save you if you opened your mouth to expose them. It makes more sense, to me anyway, that the NWO uses them to confuse issues and keep them safe by dividing groups in to smaller groups and causing divisions within the movement never really allowing it to gain momentum. In the mean time they call eveyrone crazy even if they are not. I really don't think they care if you know or not at this point, there's really nothing you can do to stop them, or at least they see it that way.


I don't think Icke is crazy at all, he's not really a ranter, he just misleads people. Perhaps he believes what he says I don't really know but I do know where his teachings came from. How does a guy like Ben Fulford get an exclusive interview with Rockefeller? It's not because he's crazy I'm fairly certain of that. He's got ties. I don't know what they are but you don't get a private, exclusive interview with Rockefeller in a cheap hotel room by being a crazy white ninja tinfoil hat reporter.

[Geolibertarian]

For whatever it's worth, I still like both of them, and refuse to take sides in this pissing contest.

They're both human, and this seems to be a classic case of two people being so blinded by their emotions that neither is able to assess the other's viewpoints objectively.

I say just let them have fun disliking each other and move on to other things. After all, it's not like we don't have more important issues to deal with.

[Libertarian Perspective]

I agree with Icke but Icke has absolutely no right to complain. Especially with his recent theories about the moon and that humans and animals in the past didnt have to eat food because they got their energy from some magical field. Its so silly. His talks about the NWO and the slavegrid and globalism are great but then BAM he comes out with the next total crazy stuff.

That is not so far fetched actually. It has been known that once the body eats the right food, it becomes more efficient at using nutrients so the body needs less and less food to sustain itself. It is probbaly to be believed that some spiritual masters who have achieved enlightenment to purely feed from background energy and this would be enough for their daily needs.

Here isa a good article about fasting.
http://healthomg.com/2011/08/23/fastinglong-term-weight-loss-spiritual-gain/
I know fasting is the stopping of eating for a period of time and not forever but there have been buddist monks and recluses who have fasted for a very long time eg a few years.

[cjag-inc]

I'll open my mind to what i see fit friend. There is a world of things I CAN prove, rather than mentally masturbate to things which I cannot.

"When you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900)  

Which is a nice way of saying if you open your mind to everything, no telling what will get in there.

As far as the Christian argument, the Christian debate does not have the massive potential to have the entire movement laughed off the face of the planet and discredited. Christianity sort of gets a pass because it has a lot of mainstream appeal. There is also an effort for the most part to not make the movement a Christian movement. As it shouldn't be. Oddly enough though, people have no problem with allowing Icke to attach himself and his kooky beliefs to the movement and give him a pass he should not get, nor deserves. Because when you throw shape shifters and lizard men in there, people are "Whoa there guy." And shut you out or laugh at you. While there are agnostics and atheists that are pissed off that Christianity exists, we still manage to get along a good bit of the time around here. But Icke comes up, people get pissed off, things get divisive, and nothing good comes of it.

@PeaceAndFreedom- I do have to agree with JT here. AJ goes out of his way to be as consistent as possible. And I think he does as good a job as he can to keep the show on track, and not let it divert into "Faith or spiritual talk", which is generally difficult for a Christian to do, as once you become a Christian, it tends to shift your views and focus in ways that are difficult to explain.

@Cjag-inc - As far as UFO's AJ avoids it, because it is the kind of talk that would get us labeled as kooks, it is not presently provable, and the empirical data set that exists is not strong enough to validate that it exists. Hence, AJ avoids it. It is also niche material, and not relevant to the NWO, other than Project Bluebeam which may be used to confuse people and allow the NWO to engineer their control grids to further take control. Not to mention there are also niche shows which delve into that material ad nauseum (Coast 2 Coast for instance.) AJ is very clear on the purposes of his show, and what it will cover.

fair enough.

but i want you to explain one thing to me if you could.

whats your opinion on AJ'S 1999 y2k broadcast?
and what do you think of your fellow Christian William Coopers comments regarding AJ?

[Georgiacopguy]

fair enough.

but i want you to explain one thing to me if you could.

whats your opinion on AJ'S 1999 y2k broadcast?
and what do you think of your fellow Christian William Coopers comments regarding AJ?

I do not understand how you expect me to explain something I wasn't around to hear. I was not "awake" around that timeline. So I have no idea to what you are referencing. I cannot debate you adequately on something I know nothing about. However, after a few screwgle searches, the only things I can find that correlate Alex to William Cooper are hit peices where William Cooper appeared to be claiming that Alex was fearmongering concerning y2k. sounds like sour grapes to me. We all had a minute amount of fear concerning that date, Alex perhaps had a bit more, and was perhaps concerned that more people did not share his concern. I have no way of knowing, I am merely speculating at this point, because as I said, I was not a listener during that timeline. However, your bringing that up makes me question your reasons for being here, on an Alex Jones fora. I do not like people who try and bait me into things, if you have something to say, step up and say it, get to your point, because I have little patience for games. If you feel Alex isn't consitent, by all means, go listen to somebody who equals your level of anal retentiveness. But as a listener, I should not have to sit here and be chided by the likes of you on whether or not I can explain away Alex's reasons, thoughts, excuses, or tactics. He is his own person.

How can anyone take him seriously? I think the whole thing is very funny and dangerous at the same time. He will say something absolutely intelligent and then follow it with "they are shape shifting reptilians" and instantly lose all credit for the first part of his statement. It really does make him sound like a con. I'm sorry if others believe in this mans story but you really need to understand where his philosophy is coming from. http://youtu.be/FbEgvx1qelw


David Icke is a distraction that ursurps strength from other awakening movements an sheep to empower his own theosophy movement which really stated with Alice Bailey and Helena Blavatsky. These two are hardcore NWO planners and satanists. Don't take my word for it research it yourself.  Alice Bailey is DIRECTLY tied to bilderberg, CFR and trilateral commission. She has written many books that have detailed plans for a global government that SHE called " the new world order" and this was in the late 1800's and early 1900's. You should read some of those quotes from her books because Icke does it all the time, supportively.


Satanic NWO trash at best, follow it if you like but do read about it first.

I couldnt agree more Jordan. I've been trying to point out since I started here that he is a distraction, and after he popped again within the last week, I've been trying to convince people he is a distraction. But his apologists pour out in droves, excusing away his every madness, saying he is such a great guy, and a great purveyor of truth, as if that reconciles his worth to a movement he can easily damage with his views.

[Jordan]

I couldnt agree more Jordan. I've been trying to point out since I started here that he is a distraction, and after he popped again within the last week, I've been trying to convince people he is a distraction. But his apologists pour out in droves, excusing away his every madness, saying he is such a great guy, and a great purveyor of truth, as if that reconciles his worth to a movement he can easily damage with his views.

He is damaging. Theosophy has deep seeded roots in eugenics and that is the reason I pointed out Heavens Gate member Do. He too was a theosophist and just look at the similarities between the two. Eventually, he "persuaded" 36 people to commit Suicide so they could go to "the next plane of existance or evolution of man". They believed that Jesus could only walk on water because he was an alien himself. They too believed in aliens being among us and shape shifting. The list goes on and on. It's uncanny how much alike they are.

They believe in eugenics ppers, check it out for yourself.

This kind of reminds me of that old twilight zone episode where aliens land on earth and solve all earths problems. Each one of these new visitors carries a book with him and they translate the book to say "To serve man". They keep telling humans that they are there to help them and make life better for them, no more war or sickness and then as they are taking off from earth with a bunch of humans someone finaly figures out that the book "To serve man" is actually a cookbook and they eat humans.

Icke is a cult leader serving humans to new age occultists. It's a good story until you actually look into the meaning of it closely.

[Libertarian Perspective]

Icke is a cult leader serving humans to new age occultists. It's a good story until you actually look into the meaning of it closely.

He might have different views but I am pretty sure he hasn't called for anyone to commit suicide.

[Geolibertarian]

He might have different views but I am pretty sure he hasn't called for anyone to commit suicide.

He hasn't, which is why those who make such accusations always conveniently fail to provide supportive evidence.

[masterofthemoon]

This whole incident is very unfortunate 
I respect them both in different ways and so should you.

And all you mud slingers and pot stirrers ought to be ashamed for fanning the fires.

[Dok]

He might have different views but I am pretty sure he hasn't called for anyone to commit suicide.

The word cult in current popular usage usually refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from the French culte or Latin cultus, ‘worship’, from cult-, ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshipped,’ from the verb colere, 'care, cultivation'.

[Georgiacopguy]

This whole incident is very unfortunate 
I respect them both in different ways and so should you.

And all you mud slingers and pot stirrers ought to be ashamed for fanning the fires.

Lets see, we speak our opinions, and we are "mud-slingers and pot stirrers." We just don't like Icke, or his outlandish statements. I call people who subscribe to his beliefs, kooks, and I get labeled. I guess giving other people carte blanche to label me. Fair is fair I suppose. So are you done with trying to tell us what to think about Icke, or what opinions we are allowed to post?  I guess now I have some unknown schmoe telling me that my opinions are invalid and unwanted. I'll be sure to remind all of the non Christians on the "Bible thumping" thread just how irrelevant their opinions and thoughts are too. Anybody notice these low post count interlopers who are so vocal, out of nowhere. There's that one that felt obliged to tell us what their position was, as if we cared, and now this schmoe, who thinks i care what they think. I guess as JT put it, we are too wrapped up in Christian 'dogma.' I guess I should have taken in with the Icke Theosophy/ dogma so I'd fit in and not be a pot stirrer. Uh, to hell with that noise. And since I don't subscribe to JT's Icke dogma, I guess that makes me a wannabe and COINTELPRO huh? That seems remarkably like a personal attack too, as there is nothing to back it up, save for me voicing my opinions against Icke. I can't make statements based on truth about a mod, or voice my opinion, but I get labeled as cointelpro because I don't see something his way??

[Libertarian Perspective]

The word cult in current popular usage usually refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. The word was first used in the early 17th century denoting homage paid to a divinity and derived from the French culte or Latin cultus, ‘worship’, from cult-, ‘inhabited, cultivated, worshipped,’ from the verb colere, 'care, cultivation'.

Well in that case, according to the mainstream media we are technically part of the "Alex Jones", "Infowars" cult (or add any other anti-NWO group here name) so this is not really any different than what we are accusing David Icke of doing. We are weird to a lot of people because we dare to question the mighty government on something, hell in some countries being a 9-11 truther can get you put in a mental instituion, just ask Kiwi Clare.

[Freeski]

Keep all doors open. That's my motto.

[Georgiacopguy]

Well in that case, according to the mainstream media we are technically part of the "Alex Jones", "Infowars" cult (or add any other anti-NWO group here name) so this is not really any different than what we are accusing David Icke of doing. We are weird to a lot of people because we dare to question the mighty government on something, hell in some countries being a 9-11 truther can get you put in a mental instituion, just ask Kiwi Clare.

The difference is that Alex isn't pushing a religious or Theosophical view. Icke is, and apparently people around here lap it up and are asking for more. It seems to be rooted far more so than AJ, because people around here are willing to vilify people who don't like Icke and agree with his philosophies or theories. Which is akin to what cult leaders do to people who fall out of favor in their cults. They vilify them, cast them out of the group, defile their names in the eyes of the other cult members.

@Freeski, if you keep all doors open, no telling what will walk through. A universaliast mentality is not really hedging your bets, its just spinning your wheels, and accomplishing nothing.

[Jackson Holly]

 Georgiacopguy:

This may not sound like it belongs in this discussion ...
but how do you suppose the Ancient pyramids were built?

[Freeski]

The difference is that Alex isn't pushing a religious or Theosophical view. Icke is, and apparently people around here lap it up and are asking for more. It seems to be rooted far more so than AJ, because people around here are willing to vilify people who don't like Icke and agree with his philosophies or theories. Which is akin to what cult leaders do to people who fall out of favor in their cults. They vilify them, cast them out of the group, defile their names in the eyes of the other cult members.

@Freeski, if you keep all doors open, no telling what will walk through. A universaliast mentality is not really hedging your bets, its just spinning your wheels, and accomplishing nothing.

Yes, approach everything with great caution.

[masterofthemoon]

Lets see, we speak our opinions, and we are "mud-slingers and pot stirrers." We just don't like Icke, or his outlandish statements. I call people who subscribe to his beliefs, kooks, and I get labeled. I guess giving other people carte blanche to label me. Fair is fair I suppose. So are you done with trying to tell us what to think about Icke, or what opinions we are allowed to post?  I guess now I have some unknown schmoe telling me that my opinions are invalid and unwanted. I'll be sure to remind all of the non Christians on the "Bible thumping" thread just how irrelevant their opinions and thoughts are too. Anybody notice these low post count interlopers who are so vocal, out of nowhere. There's that one that felt obliged to tell us what their position was, as if we cared, and now this schmoe, who thinks i care what they think. I guess as JT put it, we are too wrapped up in Christian 'dogma.' I guess I should have taken in with the Icke Theosophy/ dogma so I'd fit in and not be a pot stirrer. Uh, to hell with that noise. And since I don't subscribe to JT's Icke dogma, I guess that makes me a wannabe and COINTELPRO huh? That seems remarkably like a personal attack too, as there is nothing to back it up, save for me voicing my opinions against Icke. I can't make statements based on truth about a mod, or voice my opinion, but I get labeled as cointelpro because I don't see something his way??

Rant much? If your looking for an argument I won't be drawn into one over something so ridiculous despite your baiting tactics.