David Icke meeting with Jesse Ventura this past weekend.....interesting comments

[cjag-inc]

I wonder what Alex Jones might think of the disaster that went down.
Divide and Conquer

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/56029-jesse-ventura-pet-detective-a-must-read-

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Jesse Ventura - Pet Detective (A Must Read)

Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:29
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What a wonderful day I had in Cleveland, Ohio, which turned out to be a great success despite the best efforts of the organiser.

But in the days before the event I was pestered by someone called Michael Braverman, connected to the Jesse Ventura 'show' called Conspiracy Theories, on the totally inappropriately-titled truTV, in which Ventura or the voiceover can rarely go a few sentences without reminding everyone that he is a former Navy Seal. Wow, stands back in amazement - how incredible, a former Navy Seal. I feel fit to faint, I’m proper flushed.

Don't Navy Seals kill people, Ace Ventura, Pet Detective? You know, I think they do. Wow, respect, how fantastic. I don't kill people, I want to stop people being killed and so I will leave you to it, hero in your own mind.

Do I look like a real man? Oh please say I do. 'Former Navy Seal' Jesse Ventura, Pet Detective – he’s not a former ‘Navy Seal' is he? Really? Wow.

Even though I was ill and battling to be well enough for the Cleveland event, I agreed that Braverman - 'it will be good for your work and get it to a bigger audience' - could come along with Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, and ask me some questions about my work.

Alex Jones told me that he thought it would be a positive piece (and I have no doubt that Alex believed what he said to be true, so no problem with him whatsoever).

But how differently it turned out.

Size of my brain? Mmmmm

Around an hour before I was due to speak for nine to ten hours laying out everything in detail, I went down to where they had set up (set up being the term) their cameras.

I was surprised having heard Ventura go on and on and on in the room next door in a truly boring diatribe for anyone who would listen, that the said Braverman (another contradiction in terms) did not want me to go into the next room and to meet one of the most monumental egos and uninformed people it has been my 'experience' to encounter.

Instead, Braverman was far more concerned with getting me to sign the 'release form' before the ‘interview’ had even been shot.

I went down to their room and they started running their cameras when it was said that the great-man-in-his-own-mind was about to honour us with his presence. So, in he came. I stood up to greet him courteously and came face to face with one of the most arrogant and ignorant men I can ever remember looking in the eyes.

He barely acknowledged me and sat down to embark on a series of questions so unresearched and juvenile that I immediately concluded that I was not dealing with the brain of Minnesota, nor even the house in which he lives, unless he lives alone.

I had concluded the same thing months before while watching an interview he did on CNN in which Piers Morgan, hardly the intellect of the century, had Ventura for breakfast because of his cringe-making lack of grasp of his subject matter.

Ventura’s arrogant, unresearched premise was that I must be making it all up or doing it ‘for the money’ because he was 60 years old and had never seen a reptilian – and therefore they could not exist. After all, he was a former ‘Navy Seal’. Wow. Amazing.

The John Wayne wannabee and Schwarzenegger act-a-like thought he was going to take me apart, but soon realised that such a challenge takes a far greater intellect than he will ever possess.

He demanded that I ‘prove’ in a single answer that reptilians existed when he had never seen one (the criteria for all existence). I pointed out that this was a massive subject that needed a lot of explanation and that my last book was 355,000 words.

It was clear that he knew nothing about me and my life and work and I asked him if he ever had read any of my books. ‘No’, he said, as if it didn’t matter that he was insulting his audience by attempting, emphasis on attempting, to lay into someone without doing any research whatsoever before doing so.

No, ain’t got time to read.

The longer the ‘interview’ went on the more uncomfortable he became, his leg ‘trembling’ from side to side under the table, because he did not have the knowledge nor intellect to take it beyond reptilians can’t exist because ‘I have never seen them’. Did I mention that he was a former Navy Seal? Wow.

I said that I was about to talk for nine hours laying out all the information and connecting all the dots, and he would get his answers if he stayed and listened. ‘I have to listen for nine hours?’ said the brain of any room in which he is alone. I did sympathise. I doubt he has the attention span of nine minutes.

He had come to Cleveland on the train from Minnesota because ‘Jesse Ventura will never fly again’. I think the word is ‘I’ won’t fly again, but then egos are egos.

When he ran out of questions, not for the first time I suspect, and realised that the English ‘reptile guy’ was unimpressed by the former Navy Seal (wow!) and would take no shit from a ponytail who had never seen a mirror he didn’t worship, I went out and spoke for nine hours to a really great audience.

As for Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, who is ‘seeking truth’ as a front man for the pathetically low-level Conspiracy Theories, which is nothing more than a vehicle to massage his ego, he left the building with his crew at the very time that I was beginning to speak.

He could have stayed and had all his pathetic questions answered at length, but that is not why he came, and not why he fronts his conspiracy-for-dummies TV show. He is not interested in uncovering the truth, only in posturing his ego-from-hell. He is a former Navy Seal, you know.

So I challenge Mr Ego and the ridiculously entitled truTV to post the ‘interview’ on YouTube in full without editing and let the public see the real Ace Ventura, Pet Detective, and see his attempted ‘ambush’ and abuse of someone who has already uncovered far more about the world of the hidden than the former Navy Seal will do if he lives to be a thousand.

Come on, let’s have you, Mr Ego. Let’s see Jesse Ventura, Pet Detective, in all his inglory.

Braverman’s email if you want to add your voice to this call is: mbraverman@asmithco.com

Alex Jones and others talk rightly about ‘hit jobs’ when the mainstream media set up conspiracy researchers to undermine them. What an irony that ‘truth seeker’ (Yeah, right) Jessie Ventura, Pet Detective, should try (emphasis on the try) to do the same to me on a show called Conspiracy Theories.

Your credibility is shot, Ace Ventura, and so it should be. This is an arena for adults. You could still be one if you really try, but I won’t hold my breath.

Oh yeah, and why does his crew and Braverman call him ‘Governor’ when he hasn’t been a governor (of Minnesota) for ages?

Dave, his name is Jesse Ventura.

Oh, of course - EGO, sorry, I was forgetting. He’s a former Navy Seal, see.

The Pet Detective also told the media this week that he would not stand again for the American National Anthem. I don’t know how we’ll cope, Jess, but somehow I think we’ll get by.

[Dok]

wow, and here I was being led that Icke was such a great guy. 

Icke is such a tool.

[larsonstdoc]

wow, and here I was being led that Icke was such a great guy. 

Icke is such a tool.

  I have never liked Icke.  Talk about arrogant---Icke is in the top 10 in the world.  He is a legend in his own mind.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxkmgSlhEJQ

     David Icke's Theories on Jesus and Christianity Debunked

[Modzilla_Kicker]

i guess jesse does not believe in some unseen entity called God because our senses cannot perceive its real nature. I tend to side with Icke because i am repulsed by the arrogance of darwinist/globalist brainwashed zombies whose creed and worldview is whatever the controlled media, the ministries of  misinformation and the fool systems tell them it is.. And they wear their ignorance as if it is some genuine scepticism, which should be the driving force for continual investigation rather than lazy denial

[chris jones]

wow, and here I was being led that Icke was such a great guy.  
Icke is such a tool.

         Jesse is blunt, he doesn't dance around, I'm sure that had an effect on Icke. There is no claptrap ,( is the cup half full or half empty) liners.
           Icke is an intelectual, and I have found much of what he has had to say in the past relelvant. Frankly though , I'm dissapointed, he is on a personell revenge trip, he didn't like Jess, thats about the size of it. His method of retaliation leaves a lot to be desired, not only did he cut up Jess but he insulted and degraded conspiracy theory's as if they are all fairy tales spun by a gorilla in a human suit.
  It saddens me to see these divisions, afterall aren't we all in the same boat. (Titanic)          

[kerrymti]

Well, it is clear the two don't like each other.  I still get positive information from both.  I think both have their egos and flaws, but, bottom line is that if the information is getting out and causing even one person to seek further truth, it is worth it.

[cjag-inc]

Egos clashing yes !!
100%


but remember Ventura is a product of some major brainwashing from a military industrial complex that is very cleaver.

although i think Jesse is becoming more and more open minded,ever since he first met Alex years ago in Texas,when AJ gave him some dvd;s of his....it might be tough to break the trance..

[Georgiacopguy]

Well, I'll take Jesse's take on things before I would ever stoop to following that snake oil salesman that is Icke. I prefer people who are agnostic atheist over people who just mix up new age and religion as it suits them to tailor it to what makes them feel good about life and themselves. One is at least sincere, while the other is fraud at worst, since he makes money off of it, and insincere and fake at best. Icke is a fraud. period.

[Jackson Holly]

[goforward]

David Icke is off the hook!!!!
such venom, from such a classy guy
 
 

[cjag-inc]

Well, I'll take Jesse's take on things before I would ever stoop to following that snake oil salesman that is Icke. I prefer people who are agnostic atheist over people who just mix up new age and religion as it suits them to tailor it to what makes them feel good about life and themselves. One is at least sincere, while the other is fraud at worst, since he makes money off of it, and insincere and fake at best. Icke is a fraud. period.

im just curious

are you ok with AJ and Jesse making money ?

just a thought.

[Georgiacopguy]

im just curious

are you ok with AJ and Jesse making money ?

just a thought.

Yes I am, this is why, everyone deserves to make a living, they just cannot be frauds when doing so. Icke purports their are lizard men, that he is the son of God, all sorts of lunatic fringe crap. Whereas AJ and Jesse are merely trying to root out the truth. Both invest heavily into their efforts to do so, AJ through GCN and his various outlets, which he funds and we help, as well as his advertising. Jesse funds additional research. Icke has no such obligations, and for all intents and purposes merely seeks additional money and additional fame in order to further whatever cockamamie agenda he has, mixed with a little truth to get saps to suck it up. AJ always says, research for yourself, don't just take his word for it. But Icke can't get you to research for yourself, he's the sole source of his drivel. He doesn't want you to think for yourself either, or else you might discern he is full of it. AJ won't talk about what he cannot prove. It's a shame Icke has no such compunctions.

[Scootle]

Icke is right about Ventura's ego, ignorance and close-mindedness on issues like that. And Jesse implying Icke is a fraud and is doing it only for the money, if he did so, is not cool.

But you can't blame Jesse for wanting to take a skeptical, scientific approach. All he asked for was evidence.

This article is just gonna create more infighting. Icke should have kept this to himself. He could have just talked to Alex about his experience and asked him to talk to Jesse, or at least waited until the program aired. It seems Icke is guilty of the very thing he's criticizing Jesse for.

[Animadverto]

It is clear that Icke and Ventura did not have a meeting of the minds.  I believe in expanded consciousness, as well as, show me the facts.  Somewhere in the middle is "reality".  Icke did himself disservice by insulting Ventura.  I hope Ventura just lets this one roll off his back.  There is no point to a response.  Shame on Icke. 

[cjag-inc]

Yes I am, this is why, everyone deserves to make a living, they just cannot be frauds when doing so. Icke purports their are lizard men, that he is the son of God, all sorts of lunatic fringe crap. Whereas AJ and Jesse are merely trying to root out the truth. Both invest heavily into their efforts to do so, AJ through GCN and his various outlets, which he funds and we help, as well as his advertising. Jesse funds additional research. Icke has no such obligations, and for all intents and purposes merely seeks additional money and additional fame in order to further whatever cockamamie agenda he has, mixed with a little truth to get saps to suck it up. AJ always says, research for yourself, don't just take his word for it. But Icke can't get you to research for yourself, he's the sole source of his drivel. He doesn't want you to think for yourself either, or else you might discern he is full of it. AJ won't talk about what he cannot prove. It's a shame Icke has no such compunctions.

for the record....
David Icke is not the first person,or the ONLY person to say lizard people rule the earth,nor is he the last...

imo
and no disrespect to you in anyway,but you sir have a very closed mind.
open your mind to wonder and not held to a belief !!

the comments that i have spoken in Know way should lead you to believe that i believe Icke 100%
or any others with such claims,but i do listen to any body and every body at any time,then and only then ,can you ]dissever what you just heard.

[Dok]

I dont see how the 2 could ever get along. Ventura is against the NWO and Icke is for it through his new age beliefs. Icke is a follower of Theosohpy. He follows Alice Bailey and Lucifer Trust. And that is all mixed up with the UN. Icke has his spirit guides, he expresses the UN religion. Jesse doesnt. that simple.

[cjag-inc]

Yes I am, this is why, everyone deserves to make a living, they just cannot be frauds when doing so. Icke purports their are lizard men, that he is the son of God, all sorts of lunatic fringe crap. Whereas AJ and Jesse are merely trying to root out the truth. Both invest heavily into their efforts to do so, AJ through GCN and his various outlets, which he funds and we help, as well as his advertising. Jesse funds additional research. Icke has no such obligations, and for all intents and purposes merely seeks additional money and additional fame in order to further whatever cockamamie agenda he has, mixed with a little truth to get saps to suck it up. AJ always says, research for yourself, don't just take his word for it. But Icke can't get you to research for yourself, he's the sole source of his drivel. He doesn't want you to think for yourself either, or else you might discern he is full of it. AJ won't talk about what he cannot prove. It's a shame Icke has no such compunctions.

also i forgot to add
AJ does go on about a certain thing he cannot proove,quite alot
jesus christ and god.......I COULD BE WRONG BUT HAS ANYONE PROOVED THIS?
NOT ONLY AJ  BUT ANYONE?

[Scootle]

I dont see how the 2 could ever get along. Ventura is against the NWO and Icke is for it through his new age beliefs. Icke is a follower of Theosohpy. He follows Alice Bailey and Lucifer Trust. And that is all mixed up with the UN. Icke has his spirit guides, he expresses the UN religion. Jesse doesnt. that simple.

And Jesse is a pro-abortion Darwinist ... noones perfect, but they're both anti-NWO.

I'm not interested in their philosophies and I'm not taking any side on this. Shame on Jesse for being a dick but shame on Icke for publishing this. What happened to not caring what people think of you, David?

[Dok]

but they're both anti-NWO

I really have to disagree with that. Icke says he is, yet his beliefs and books says otherwise. He agrees and supports Alice Baileys beliefs. Lock stock and barrel. Icke is a new age infiltrator.

[cjag-inc]

I really have to disagree with that. Icke says he is, yet his beliefs and books says otherwise. He agrees and supports Alice Baileys beliefs. Lock stock and barrel. Icke is a new age infiltrator.

any links to support this claim ?

[kerrymti]

Icke is right about Ventura's ego, ignorance and close-mindedness on issues like that. And Jesse implying Icke is a fraud and is doing it only for the money, if he did so, is not cool.

But you can't blame Jesse for wanting to take a skeptical, scientific approach. All he asked for was evidence.

This article is just gonna create more infighting. Icke should have kept this to himself. He could have just talked to Alex about his experience and asked him to talk to Jesse, or at least waited until the program aired. It seems Icke is guilty of the very thing he's criticizing Jesse for.

Totally agree!  If you look at the beginning episodes of Jesse's show and listen to interviews with him now (i.e. his talks with Alex), it is CLEAR that Jesse is a 'work in progress' like the rest of us.  He is learning and absorbing every day, new information, old information unknown to him, etc.  I believe he is sincere and truly has been 'slapped in the face' with the realizations of how things really are (I was there, I know what it is like).  I believe Icke is sincere too, however, I believe he is coming down hard on Jesse, when Jesse is just beginning to walk.  Just my opinion.

[Dok]

any links to support this claim ?

sure.

Debunking DAVID ICKE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dkrsSPSgoc

Transcript / Footnotes
http://davidickedebunked.com/?page_id=13

do you need info on Alice Bailey, Theosophy or the UN?

[goforward]

also i forgot to add
AJ does go on about a certain thing he cannot proove,quite alot
jesus christ and god.......I COULD BE WRONG BUT HAS ANYONE PROOVED THIS?
NOT ONLY AJ  BUT ANYONE?

yah it's been verified
dood goto and read the religious threads
before u enter the cage match

[Scootle]

I really have to disagree with that. Icke says he is, yet his beliefs and books says otherwise. He agrees and supports Alice Baileys beliefs. Lock stock and barrel. Icke is a new age infiltrator.

Well Jesse believes a world government is inevitable, openly hates religion, admires Richard Dawkins and supports the eugenics-driven, anti-family progressive social movements. By your logic, wouldn't that make him pro-nwo?!

Or is he simply misled?

Well couldn't Icke be misled too?

[Dok]

Well Jesse believes a world government is inevitable, openly hates religion, admires Richard Dawkins and supports the eugenics-driven, anti-family progressive social movements. By your logic, wouldn't that make him pro-nwo?!

Or is he simply misled?

Well couldn't Icke be misled too?

personally i say drop them both. Icke has more credit than Jesse and he has way more brainwashed followers also. Personally i dont think Jesse has fully realised just how big the cospiracy is.

[37]

It's not worth much, but here's what I think...

Jesse has yet to do a show "debunking" ridiculous conspiracy theories.  I have often thought that he should do a piece debunking Planet X, just to show that he doesn't buy every scam that comes down the pipe.  Especially, after having a 2012 episode that seemed to lend credence to that nonsense.

That being said, I think Jesse chose to debunk Icke or reptilians in general.  Possibly talking about all of the "shape shifter" videos on You Tube, also.  Those are pretty easy to debunk as lighting.

Alex has said, several times, that the Governor(BTW, Icke, people hold titles after they leave office.  It's a sign of respect for their accomplishment.  People still call Madeleine Albright "Madame Secretary"...   ) is a voracious reader and always has a book with him.  So, I'm surprised he didn't read more of Icke's stuff before interviewing him.  I'm also surprised that Ventura wouldn't ask Alex his opinion on Icke.  Lately, Alex seems to essentially agree with much of what Icke has to say.  He doesn't believe in reptilians, but he assumes that it is Icke's version of negative energy or demons(Alex is a Christian after all).

There's a good chance that Icke is under the weather and just got the wrong vibe from Braverman...who seems like an irritating little twit on the show.

I'm no huge fan of Icke, but I think he is an honest fellow and I like to hear his perspective...it's definitely different.

I know this...I'm really looking forward to seeing that episode of Conspiracy Theories.  

[pac522]

I don't know about you but this sounds like a great Alex Jones show in the making.

Alex"Don King" Productions presents, Jessie "The Body" vs David "The Reptile".

No seriously, Alex needs to some how get these two together again, on air.

[pac522]

Well Jesse believes a world government is inevitable, openly hates religion, admires Richard Dawkins and supports the eugenics-driven, anti-family progressive social movements. By your logic, wouldn't that make him pro-nwo?!

Or is he simply misled?

Well couldn't Icke be misled too?

This and also remember Jessie didn't believe in 9/11 and had his eyes opened up by Alex.

Hell we're all not in agreement here on this forum, case in point.

[Jordan]

         His method of retaliation leaves a lot to be desired, not only did he cut up Jess but he insulted and degraded conspiracy theory's as if they are all fairy tales spun by a gorilla in a human suit.
          

Whats truly funny about that is this is coming from a person that thinks there are lizard faced aliens running around desguised as humans??  I really don't think Icke has more credibility then Ventures in any way unless you count the UFO fringe. Icke is a bright karismatic cult leader a step above "Do" otherwise know as Marshal Applewhite the Heavens gate cult leader. Ben Fulfords celestial ninja brother.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqSZhwu1Rwo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhYrSF3ubBc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6IAf_y8pQc

Icke is a complete distraction from reality. A confused new age infiltrator of satanic propaganda.

[cjag-inc]

sure.

Debunking DAVID ICKE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dkrsSPSgoc

Transcript / Footnotes
http://davidickedebunked.com/?page_id=13

do you need info on Alice Bailey, Theosophy or the UN?

you tube videos
and someone's opinion,based on a belief system, is not factual evidence
thank for the effort though.

[cjag-inc]

yah it's been verified
dood goto and read the religious threads
before u enter the cage match

who verified it?

[MrSwe]

You know I think Icke seems to have a pretty big ego himself, he's not very humble when it comes to facts... or rather, he doesn't really use facts, I would almost say. I mean he talks as if the theosofical drivel was a matter of fact. Having an "open mind" does NOT mean falling for anything. Like.." the moon is a spaceship!11!11! "  That's just lack of dissernment.

It's too bad he's so into the New Age stuff. New Age is a distraction from reality, and Icke just doesn't realize it.


Now over to Ventura.... Just as with Icke, ventura is also distracted from reality by his Darwanist, evolution, atheist brainwashing. But I have hope for him that he will wake up from that. At least he doesn't go around holding lectures to spread it.

Both Ventura and David have a lot to learn, or rather un-learn, I don't see that happening with David though. Maybe for Ventura, in time.

Again I have to repeat: Take what you like, and leave the rest! We have bigger fish to fry!

[Dok]

you tube videos
and someone's opinion,based on a belief system, is not factual evidence
thank for the effort though.

Uhm sure it is as it is a presentation that gives the actual quotes, mostly rigth from Ickes mouth himself and the actual page numbers from books. it is all fully documented. Do you even know how to research something and use footnotes? Wow, its just amazing the way people just dismiss stuff.

[HAZMAT]

you tube videos
and someone's opinion,based on a belief system, is not factual evidence
thank for the effort though.

If you watched any of that you would have probably seen the clip where Icke says he follows Alice Bailey in his own words...

[goforward]

who verified it?

history do you know what this is? if not do a google search.

[cjag-inc]

If you watched any of that you would have probably seen the clip where Icke says he follows Alice Bailey in his own words...

to say one follows somebody does not mean they worship them,i follow lots of info as well,its good to know your enemy.

you get a broad picture of things.

to  listen to a christian person try to debunk someone who goes totally against all they have been indoctrinated with there whole life,is like listening to basketball expert explain ping pong..

its counter productive.

[Dok]

ahhh, so much better. almost got some truth out there. 

[goforward]

Again I have to repeat: Take what you like, and leave the rest! We have bigger fish to fry!

He is blatantly spreading the NWO philosophy he is the guy to fry

[chris jones]

 This has raised all kinds of controversy, sad in a way. Some have said the both of them are off their nut, others have praised them.
  I hope this episode doesn't get folks all worked up and create divisions , or become a form of entertainment JV vs ICKE. Nah, that wouldn't be a very positive move would it.
 JV, I have watched his CT show, give him creds. Icke, I am ignorent as to his books and theorys, I have seen a few of his quotes that looked good, but truly informed NO.
 Bottom line, I was not impressed with Icke's letter, it doesn't cast a shadow,its just kinda slanderous. That doesn't help the truth movement, or am I off base. Why didn't he say this to JV's face and get it over with in a closed room rather than publically knifing JV. The movement for the truth should be the number one focus.
Vote RP............
  
 

[MrSwe]

Vote RP............
  
 

Yes.