Do cops have arrest quotas?

[Rtruth]

Oh man I can't believe this. But it makes perfect sense now that I really think about it....

http://www.newworldordernwo.com/new-world-order-nwo-news/104-arrest-quotas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdxMjjTu44s&feature=player_embedded

It's saying that cops have arrest and summons quotas they have to meet each month. So I googled it and some where saying it's quotas on those. Others were saying it's quotas on traffic stops and responses.

So even if it's just traffic stops that's obviously gonna lead to summons, fines, and arrests. Just too meet quota's!!! I always thought of cops as actually reasonable decent people and I think most generally are. But it's sad that they are pressured and forced to meet these types of quota's. Because that adds a level of detachment and unsympathetic to the people they're suppose to serve and protect, because guilt or innocence it's not much of an issue anymore, what is is meeting quota. I guess we know what "serve" means now. Serve you a ticket or a court summons.

Someone was saying that the police are the strong arm (gang) of the gov, and you have to be careful of them. Well I guess we now know why. This is crazy.

[maim]

law, is a money maker for the government, its revenue.  every crime has a fine leveed against it.  all the tax revenue they take from us to run prisons, put cops on the streets, to 'fight the war on drugs'.  its all money for them.  the government loves it when people break the law, its more money for them.  they want people breaking the law as much as possible, thats why they pass 20 000 new laws a year, mo money mo money.  cops are street level salesmen.  its nothing about protecting the public. 

[Freeski]

Don't be a kook!

Teen facing 'hate crime' count over spat
"The police department of Champaign, Ill., is reported to be under pressure from higher authorities to increase its quota of hate crimes convictions.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=63668#ixzz1dR6nOjAe
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=39187.0

Boise Police may issue more tickets to boost revenues
Aggressively going after speeders is one aspect of an overall plan to boost the police department's revenue.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=85407.0

Big Brother USA: Police State Raids Against Immigrants
Earlier, a Baltimore ICE supervisor warned about being well behind "a Washington-mandated annual quota of 1000 arrests per team" and ordered his agents to seize more saying: "I don't care where you get more arrests, we need more numbers," and apparently he meant from any street corner, work place, or personal residence. An hour later, 24 Latino men were seized at a nearby 7-Eleven store.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=137043.0
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15373

Bell, CA, police were ordered to bring in revenue
"They had graphs and charts and daily quotas, daily activity logs you had to fill out and if you did your correct amount your name was in green and if you didn't do your correct amount your name was in red."
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=187496.0
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7686639&rss=rss-abcnewsLocal-kabc-article-7686639

NYPD Officer Speaks Out About Pressure To Make Quotas
"I'm not going to keep arresting innocent people, I'm not going to keep searching people for no reason, I'm not going to keep writing people for no reason, I'm tired of this," said Adil Polanco, an NYPD Officer.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/investigators&id=7305356
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161977.0

British Police: Making arrests just to get DNA databank
Police officers are deliberately arresting people just to get their DNA according to a report by the Government's own genetics advisers.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=145714.0
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/UK-Police-Taking-Too-Many-DNA-Samples-Says-The-Human-Genetics-Commission-Which-Wants-Rules-Changed/Article/200911415464724?

Patriots Guide to Police Encounters
All department will actively deny that they have a ticket quota even though it is expected that an officer should write about 170 citations per month. I know some officers who play this game very well and make upwards of an extra $20,000 per year just from sitting in traffic court getting overtime pay.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=120953.0

As an ex-cop it makes me even sadder to admit this. My era of recruits questioned authority of our bosses a lot (I nearly got fired twice for refusing 'arrest quota' targets). The new blood, well they worry me. They do anything without question, tied to their debts, student-loans and mortgages they'll never speak up.

[Georgiacopguy]

In the places I worked, there were no actual quotas, save for one, (and that Chief lost his job for that and many more violations.) However, it was routine for the "more effective" cops who made more stops for traffic, and more arrests, (even when discretion could have come up with a more viable, less intrusive method of resolving an issue); those officers were first on the list for the new technology, the nicky-neat toys of the job, or even vehicles. Those same officers were also first to be selected for tactical teams, undercover teams, or anything which would allow their aggressiveness to shine. As a supervisor, we were the first equipped with AR15 rifles. I was equipped with mine last over the year that they were issued because I wasn't as aggressive at arrests and traffic stops. I simply did not arrest with every call for service, as it was not necessary for every call. There were alternative methods to resolve the problem, often which saddled me with more reports or more paperwork, but which fixed the problem to everyone's satisfaction. I also issued far more written and verbal warnings than most of my peers. I was challenged on it, to which i responded; what is the reason for traffic stops? They merely said voluntary compliance. I then retorted that a person who received a verbal or written warning was at least voluntary compliant so long as they were in our city limits. Mission accomplished. So sad they refused to see it my way. They are too busy keeping up with other cops, making a competition out of it. Those are the newer generation of cops we have now.

[Freeski]

In the places I worked, there were no actual quotas, save for one, (and that Chief lost his job for that and many more violations.) However, it was routine for the "more effective" cops who made more stops for traffic, and more arrests, (even when discretion could have come up with a more viable, less intrusive method of resolving an issue); those officers were first on the list for the new technology, the nicky-neat toys of the job, or even vehicles. Those same officers were also first to be selected for tactical teams, undercover teams, or anything which would allow their aggressiveness to shine. As a supervisor, we were the first equipped with AR15 rifles. I was equipped with mine last over the year that they were issued because I wasn't as aggressive at arrests and traffic stops. I simply did not arrest with every call for service, as it was not necessary for every call. There were alternative methods to resolve the problem, often which saddled me with more reports or more paperwork, but which fixed the problem to everyone's satisfaction. I also issued far more written and verbal warnings than most of my peers. I was challenged on it, to which i responded; what is the reason for traffic stops? They merely said voluntary compliance. I then retorted that a person who received a verbal or written warning was at least voluntary compliant so long as they were in our city limits. Mission accomplished. So sad they refused to see it my way. They are too busy keeping up with other cops, making a competition out of it. Those are the newer generation of cops we have now.

It's nice to hear these first-hand takes on the issue.

[Freeski]

Police Chief Inspector confirms officers must meet ticket quota
Thu Jan. 20 2011 5:58:49 PM

"We have found a certain number of annual tickets which keeps road deaths to 30-35 people each year, which is excellent for a large city like [Montreal]," said Lemieux.


A Montreal police officer hunts for dangerous drivers in a speed trap.

http://montreal.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110120/mtl_quotas_110120/20110120/

How creepy is that?

[Rtruth]

Well I have a lot of respect for cops and the cops here in my city are actually really nice. I only ever got yelled at once by this old guy but I was doing 50km over the limit, ouch! But all I got was a fine. Other times they've actually even apologized to me for having to give me a speeding ticket. Back in the days when I use to speed. In my 30's now so you slow down ha ha. ;-) But in all honesty next time I see a cop I'm actually gonna go out of my way to slowly get out of the area. I have nothing to hide it's what they might be hiding that worries me most. I was thinking the medical field is probably pretty similar. Dr's having quota's for issuing prescriptions and trying to set up operations, tests, and treatments. Read this book called "confessions of a medical heretic" really fascinating read.

[Georgiacopguy]

Well I have a lot of respect for cops and the cops here in my city are actually really nice. I only ever got yelled at once by this old guy but I was doing 50km over the limit, ouch! But all I got was a fine. Other times they've actually even apologized to me for having to give me a speeding ticket. Back in the days when I use to speed. In my 30's now so you slow down ha ha. ;-) But in all honesty next time I see a cop I'm actually gonna go out of my way to slowly get out of the area. I have nothing to hide it's what they might be hiding that worries me most. I was thinking the medical field is probably pretty similar. Dr's having quota's for issuing prescriptions and trying to set up operations, tests, and treatments. Read this book called "confessions of a medical heretic" really fascinating read.

You touch on an interesting point here. Doctors do in fact have quotas of sorts. I have a friend who works in a Doctors office as a Nurse Practitioner. One of her drug reps came to her one day and asked why she wasn't prescribing a certain med more often. Apparently, the reps have access to the pharmacy records, and keep track who in their area prescribes. Essentially, if they slacked off on prescribing certain drugs, the kickbacks and what-not dried up. So yes, they do function under quotas of sorts.

[sentinelscout]

Just think about it, they make thousands of laws a year, do we really need all those laws? , if the government couldn't make things illegal, and couldn't make arrests, and wasn't needed anymore . . . it would be out of business and downsize A LOT just to enforce the current status.


More Laws makes more law breakers.
More Law breakers makes more MONEY.
More Money makes MORE LAWS.

Its a vicious cycle... thats why we curently have a higher % of population in prison than Stalin did -_-.


I break on average atleast 30 laws/regulations a day. . .  the majority of them are designed to nickle and dime  you, not really to make you safer or anything.

Traffic and Moving / not moving violations I make a day probably amount in the 100s, do I give a shit ? No, I haven't payed a ticket in 8 years.

Im currently building a motorcycle actually, I don't plan on getting insurance, Registration, Title, inspections or anything, and I plan to drive it everyday for short hops between point A and B ( 5- 20 miles).

The cost of all these things amount to a greater cost than the bike, so I see no sane reason.... I also don't see how they will write me a ticket if the bike lacks any form of identification, a ticket addressed to "a black bike with two wheels and a motor" sounds pretty vague, how would they enforce it? other than violently throwing me around and stealing my property.


What does this mean to me? the laws are meaningless and stupid, so it doesn't make sense to follow them.


As for arrest quotas, im sure they do have some citation quotas, as if you were a meter maid for lets say a month and you wrote no citations, you would probably be fired, so in a sense thats a quota.... your job is not to make everyone safe, and its not to make sure everyone follows the "rules", its to produce and find rule breakers to extract money from them.

Think about it... "its ok if you break the law, just give me 120$ and its all good!", its simply extortion, they could make breathing illegal, and then the cops could catch you breathing and "charge" you for it.

They even openly put it in your face!, "WE ARE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR THIS!", they take it as you went into a store and broke something, so you have to pay for it... even though the broken thing is essentially non-existent!.


The country went to shit when they started charging for victimless crimes (pre-crime).....


When you kill someone in a traffic accident, they couldn't care less, to them you destroyed their slave property (human collateral), they need those bodies to be alive so that they can generate revenue off of them.

Think about it, if you killed John in a traffic accident... you just

Eliminated a source of tax revenue.
Eliminated human collateral (slave labor)
Probably put someone on dependency / gave them the right to draw funds from the govt/insurance companies etc.. etc... (so they lose money instead of gain it for free)
Damaged state property(what the people working for the state deem THEIR private property even though its YOURS)
Damaged private abandoned property (the car etc.)

They are going to charge you for all that, usually by making you work for free in jail or some other program/fine/public service/ etc... etc..
You broke it, you bought it.

Now the problem is , when you didn't break anything and they are trying to sell you stuff (parking tickets for example) in which no one was hurt.... they force you to buy the ticket, which in and of itself violates basic principles, that no one can force you to buy things.


The police, courts etc... are all privately owned corporations for profit in essence anyway, they are not legitimate.... I believe actually there are a few documented court cases where this has come out in the open (although the whereabouts of these cases escapes me atm)

[decemberfellow]

Only thing here is that they had quotas from way back  when I first started driving in the 60's so this is not new,  only difference I see now is they will pull you over and make something up even if you did nothing.

[Zamo]

Only thing here is that they had quotas from way back  when I first started driving in the 60's so this is not new,  only difference I see now is they will pull you over and make something up even if you did nothing.

they do that to see if you will give them something in order to detain you

on the quotas, they tend to be so low that they would practically be not doing their job, of coarse that varies from place to place
but the validity of whether quotas should be allowed in the first place is a fair thing to ask

[Georgiacopguy]

they do that to see if you will give them something in order to detain you

on the quotas, they tend to be so low that they would practically be not doing their job, of coarse that varies from place to place
but the validity of whether quotas should be allowed in the first place is a fair thing to ask

Technically, quotas are illegal, this is due to rampant abuse of them in the early 60's to late 70's. However, police agencies often get around them by having supervisor specific requests for service, focused patrols, focused traffic enforcement, and many other ways of labeling it. If we showed up to roll call, and were advised it was a trafic focus day for X street, we knew the higher ups were wanting to see a saturation of that area. There was never a specific number of tickets requiested, but we knew the soft number they would take, and he hard number they expected. So as you can see, they are illegal, however enforcement is on the very people who are the problem. In most cases, they cannot police themselves effectively. unofficial quotas are the result.

[Zamo]

True, but in some cases police officers are disciplined for not writing enough tickets and are told they can't work a second job in off duty, so they have their backs up against the wall

quotas are not legally mandated, but there is evidence of them existing which sucks

[Georgiacopguy]

True, but in some cases police officers are disciplined for not writing enough tickets and are told they can't work a second job in off duty, so they have their backs up against the wall

quotas are not legally mandated, but there is evidence of them existing which sucks

True on all counts.