VIDEO - Protester Interrupts Congress: "End The Wars!"

[Catalina]

Video - Deficit Committee Super Congress - Oct. 26, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYkl9z23mfM&feature=player_embedded

[MonkeyPuppet]

"The vast majority wants you to tax the rich..."

If so, the vast majority are retarded.

End the wars, yes, but taxation beyond the extremely limited scope authorized by the Constitution to placate the masses is extremely short-sighted and is far from the side of liberty.

[Catalina]

"The vast majority wants you to tax the rich..."

If so, the vast majority are retarded.

End the wars, yes, but taxation beyond the extremely limited scope authorized by the Constitution to placate the masses is extremely short-sighted and is far from the side of liberty.

You're preaching to the choir, most of us know that Monkey. We hope? 

[chris jones]

 Taxing the rich is secondary, the End the WARS, takes the spotlight. Imagine the state of this nation if we were at peace. This gal has courage and heart, nice combination.
 The rich, what does that mean exactly, over a million, 100 million, WHAT. I personally don't label folks that have a tad of wealth, pay up, the same as the little people do, fair enough. John Doe works for a corporation, industry whatever, he receives a check and the taxes have been taken out, its not up to LlL Joe Q  what is taxes are is it , its up to uncle.
 How about the corporations, the true big dogs, are they paying their fair share as we are, hell folks It would be ludicrous for me to suggest they do. Its not the taxes that really get to me, its the fact they are in bed with the regime.They could pay all the taxes under the sun and continue to rape the people as long as they run the OLE Gov.
 Its the wars my friends, if people think its simply taxes, I am with hope they rethink a bit. Sanity is peace of mind, does it appear the USA can have 5 wars simultaneously and remain sane. The justification of illegal invasions, genocide & torture is not sanity, it is the destruction of a nation based on honor.
  God help America.
 
 

[MonkeyPuppet]

Just an FYI, Cat, chris' post is exactly why it had to be said (even if most of us already know it ).

Chris, it is not the amount of wealth that one has that should determine how much or how little one must pay in taxes.  When it comes to Constitutional taxation, income is a measure of the amount of privilege enjoyed... if there is no privilege enjoyed, no tax is owed.  It's a simple equation.

What muddies this equation is the erroneous belief that everyone's labor or activity is somehow taxable.  This is simply not true.  The truth is that the vast majority (ironic, isn't it) of Americans living and working within the 50 states of the union are actually not liable for federal income tax... nor FICA for that matter.  It's the FEDERAL income tax... it applies to a certain class of person engaged in certain federally related activities.

For most Americans, victims of the mal-application of the federal income tax, the ONLY evidence that exists, which is contrary to fact, is a W2 or W9 sent from their private payers to the federal government... forms that they are neither legally obligated to use nor authorized to use.  Why does the federal government not reject them?  1. It is not the IRS's job to determine the legitimacy of the reason such documents are sent their way... only that the numbers add up between the payor and payee (notice the spelling difference, it's important).  2. They want the money!!  They use the ill-gotten gains from the mal-application of the income tax as a guarantee on the interest owed... the more of a guarantee there is, the more Congress can borrow from the FED.

So, "taxing the rich" is not secondary... it's arbitrary and more importantly, unconstitutional.

[Catalina]

Yes, Monkey that is indeed true, but do you file your taxes every tear despite the unjust? How many other draconian laws are passed despite the unconstitutionality? The patriot act among many are good examples, but we are aware. The most we can do is educate a public that has forgotten such liberties. Not ranting I hope, just frustrated at tyranny. 

[Catalina]

Another example: Look at this lawlessness. They are shutting down businesses left and right. This stuff just sickens me! Not an attack against you buddy. 

Issa Probes Park Service Science Used to Shut Down Oyster Farm

A leading congressional Republican is investigating whether the National Park Service (NPS) committed “scientific misconduct” in its effort to shut down a century-old oyster farm over claims that it threatens the local seal population.  Rep. Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, is demanding that the Interior Department turn over certain documents to his panel to determine whether faulty information will close the Drakes Bay Oyster Company (DBOC), which operates in California’s Point Reyes National Seashore.
 
“It has come to my attention that scientific misconduct by National Park Service personnel may be jeopardizing the right of a small business to operate in Marin County, California,” Issa said in an Oct. 20 letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar.
 
“Allegations that NPS knowingly relied on flawed science to support that conclusion as part of an effort to remove DBOC have come from a wide range of stakeholders and disinterested parties,” Issa said.
 
“If true, NPS … will have closed the doors of a family-owned small business without a valid scientific basis,” Issa said.  The science used to suggest oyster farming would have a substantial impact to Drakes Estero [estuary] ecosystem has also been called into question by the National Research Council—part of the National Academies that also includes the National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, and Institute of Medicine.
 
The May 2009 report found a lack of strong scientific evidence that the oyster operation had major adverse environmental effects.  “Furthermore, National Park Service reports never achieved a rigorous and balanced synthesis of the impacts from oyster farming in the estero,” said the council’s statement about their report.
 
The council suggested a detailed camera record would help resolve the controversy and determine whether oyster boats disturbed harbor seals during the breeding season.
 
“Unbeknownst to the [council] panel, the NPS had maintained a secret camera system” in the area since 2007, Issa said.  The cameras took minute-by-minute pictures during the pupping season for three years, but they failed to disclose the photos or logs in their efforts to close the oyster farm, creating “the appearance of a coverup,” Issa said.
 
According to a report from the Interior Department’s solicitor's office, the photos show no evidence the farming methods harmed the seals.
 
Kenny Lunny purchased the oyster farm in 2007 from the Johnson Oyster Company, but the 40-year lease expires next year, and some congressional Democrats are pushing for Drakes Estero to be designated as an official wilderness area, which would conflict with oyster harvesting operations.
 
Issa is demanding the agency turn over correspondence from the solicitor's office, which investigated the science used by the park service, and other documents related to the department’s Environmental Impact Statement.
 
Additionally, Issa is asking that more than a half-dozen Interior officials agree to committee interviews beginning next week.  “In this matter, the alleged misconduct is serious, and it could result in the loss of the Lunny Family business, which employs a number of local residents,” Issa said.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47239

[MonkeyPuppet]

Yes, Monkey that is indeed true, but do you file your taxes every tear despite the unjust? How many other draconian laws are passed despite the unconstitutionality? The patriot act among many are good examples, but we are aware. The most we can do is educate a public that has forgotten such liberties. Not ranting I hope, just frustrated at tyranny.  

The frustration is justified!

I cannot file forms that require a jurat signature to attest to information I know to be untrue... so no, I don't file.  My private sector payer, despite my continued and repeated attempts to educate them, continue to file erroneous information returns as to the nature of the activity which generated the income I receive.  I am hopeful that my continued efforts will eventually open their eyes, but I must admit, each passing year makes me want to find work elsewhere.

It's not draconian laws that have been passed (with regard to taxation), it's ignorance that keeps this fraud going.  The federal income tax, as written, is 100% Constitutional.  However, the information returns filed by private payers gives the IRS the (quasi-) legal means by which to extract Americans' wealth.  If we, as a People, would simply stop being ignorant of the law and force our payers to follow it, instead of equally ignorant advice from tax professionals, we could end this travesty overnight.

[Catalina]

The frustration is justified!

I cannot file forms that require a jurat signature to attest to information I know to be untrue... so no, I don't file.  My private sector payer, despite my continued and repeated attempts to educate them, continue to file erroneous information returns as to the nature of the activity which generated the income I receive.  I am hopeful that my continued efforts will eventually open their eyes, but I must admit, each passing year makes me want to find work elsewhere.

It's not draconian laws that have been passed (with regard to taxation), it's ignorance that keeps this fraud going.  The federal income tax, as written, is 100% Constitutional.  However, the information returns filed by private payers gives the IRS the (quasi-) legal means by which to extract Americans' wealth.  If we, as a People, would simply stop being ignorant of the law and force our payers to follow it, instead of equally ignorant advice from tax professionals, we could end this travesty overnight.

You forgot one other powerful ingredient that affects people, FEAR. That's why the system prevails. No one would ever get a fair trial against an absolute corrupt corrupt and the system makes examples out of those who rebel. Wesley Snipes is the most recent trial I remember.

By the way, talk about a double-standard. Read this. Just an excerpt:

Rural Rebellion Brewing

Sacramento is Government Central, a land of overly pensioned bureaucrats and restaurant discounts for state workers. But way up in the North State, one finds a small but hard-edged rural populace that views state and federal officials as the main obstacles to their quality of life.

Their latest battle is to stop destruction of four hydroelectric dams along the Klamath River – an action driven by environmentalists and the Obama administration. Most locals say the dam-busting will undermine their property rights and ruin the local farming and ranch economy, which is all that's left since environmental regulators destroyed the logging and mining industries.

These used to be wealthy resource-based economies, but now many of the towns are drying up, with revenue to local governments evaporating. Unemployment rates are in the 20-percent-and-higher range. Nearly 79 percent of the county's voters in a recent advisory initiative opposed the dam removal, but that isn't stopping the authorities from blasting the dams anyway.

These rural folks, living in the shadow of the majestic Mount Shasta, believe that they are being driven away so that their communities can essentially go back to the wild, to conform to a modern environmentalist ethos that puts wildlands above humanity. As the locals told it during the Defend Rural America conference Oct. 22 at the Siskiyou Golden Fairgrounds, environmental officials are treading on their liberties, traipsing unannounced on their properties, confronting ranchers with guns drawn to enforce arcane regulatory rules and destroying their livelihoods in the process.


Just another example of destroying the economy by design under Agenda 21. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=47203

[MonkeyPuppet]

You forgot one other powerful ingredient that affects people, FEAR. That's why the system prevails. No one would ever get a fair trial against an absolute corrupt corrupt and the system makes examples out of those who rebel. Wesley Snipes is the most recent trial I remember.

Wesley pussed out, but his argument (which he abandoned) was flawed anyway... the venerable "861" argument.  Most of us who wake up from the income tax lie and begin the long journey to understand the truth come across this argument eventually.  Some hold on for dear life despite its flaws.  Others move on after digging a little deeper.

Someone who's fighting the good fight and who is aware of the truth is author and radio host Dave Champion.  He's been advising nontaxpayers for almost 20 years.  Wesley's council contacted Dave to see if he'd be willing to assist in his defense, but Dave had to decline because they only wanted those who would defend the flawed "861" position.

[Catalina]

Wesley pussed out, but his argument (which he abandoned) was flawed anyway... the venerable "861" argument.  Most of us who wake up from the income tax lie and begin the long journey to understand the truth come across this argument eventually.  Some hold on for dear life despite its flaws.  Others move on after digging a little deeper.

Someone who's fighting the good fight and who is aware of the truth is author and radio host Dave Champion.  He's been advising nontaxpayers for almost 20 years.  Wesley's council contacted Dave to see if he'd be willing to assist in his defense, but Dave had to decline because they only wanted those who would defend the flawed "861" position.

I'll research this Dave Champion fellow, thanks. Always looking for more info when I have the time these days.

[MonkeyPuppet]

I'll research this Dave Champion fellow, thanks. Always looking for more info when I have the time these days.

Kind of a broken record by now, but a good resource for his work is the book in my signature.  He also has a radio show (recently went internet-only) at http://www.davechampionshow.com (archives list topics for each show to make finding things easier).

[Freeski]

So, then the best defense in tax court is to just say "show me the law that says this applies to me"? If it's inapplicable, they won't be able to do it.

[MonkeyPuppet]

So, then the best defense in tax court is to just say "show me the law that says this applies to me"? If it's inapplicable, they won't be able to do it.

Yes... and a big no.  The problem isn't asking this question... it's getting the chance to do so.  Even if you did, it won't matter in context due to the rest of this reply:

See, the IRS, the DOJ and the courts are following the law as it is written (very important point!).  So, when the law as it is written says that anyone that has a W2 or 1099 filed reporting their income is required to file a return and pay, the court has heard all it needs to hear.  Why?  Because the law says this and your private payer, regardless of actual fact, proof, applicability, whatever you want to call it, files an information return (W2 or 1099), you're f**ked.

The law is not wrong here.  Understandably, anyone for whom there is a W2 or 1099 filed is supposedly a person upon whom Congress has and can impose the tax.  This is how it should be, but jurisdiction matters and private payers are neither obligated nor authorized to use these forms to report payments to their employees and contractors UNLESS they are among those upon whom Congress has and can impose a tax... foreign persons, their withholding agents, and U.S. citizens residing abroad with foreign sourced income.

That's why I've tried repeatedly to drive this point home on this very forum time and again... the ones committing the fraud (whether they know it or not) is your private payer!!!!!

Blame the IRS, the DOJ and the courts all you want, but that will never get anyone anywhere.  As I've said... ignorance is the problem, not the law.

[Freeski]

Both the state and private payers are in on the scam, one knowingly and the other not so much, so who's the real bad guy? Obviously the state.

[MonkeyPuppet]

Both the state and private payers are in on the scam, one knowingly and the other not so much, so who's the real bad guy? Obviously the state.

I do agree with you to a certain extent, but I also have to consider the words of the Founders of this great Republic...

"A Republic... if you can keep it." - Benjamin Franklin

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson

"The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." - Patrick Henry

"Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people." - John Adams

"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives." - James Madison

Who is to blame if the People themselves continue to remain willfully ignorant?  There are times when I feel it necessary to amend my charge of ignorance as the root of the problem to include that of moral cowardice... I've seen it first hand in discussions about taxation.  So many, after hearing, learning and understanding the truth, lower their heads and mumble that there is nothing they can do about it... for shame!!

[Freeski]

Yeah, good post Monkey.