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« on: October 29, 2011, 01:57:23 PM »

About 32 years ago I stumbled upon what I think is an original,forgotten, or little known idea regarding the last names of criminals.Long story short: after reading
around in the New Dictionary of American Family Names by Elsden C. Smith I discovered that there seems to be a statiatical probability that the worst types of criminals
have one of four last name meanings.
{1} Dweller in or near a swamp,moor,marsh,waste land,or muddy place.
{2} Dweller in a grove of trees,forest,or clearing in a wood.
{3} Dweller in a deep valley or hollow.
{4] Dweller on barren ,brushy,or uncultivated ground.

Examples:
Richard Speck:One who came from Speke[brushwood] in Lancashire.
Kissinger : One who came fron Kissing [swamp] in Germany.
Cheney :One who came from Chaney {oak grove} in France.
Bush: dweller on uncultivated ground.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Speck

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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 02:40:32 PM »

A popular loan-name among Roman men was Silvanus,which developed from the Roman god of "uncultivated land beyond the boundaries of tillage"...
A man with the last name Silvanus was depicted as "uncanny & dangerous".

Silva {Spainish/Portugese}..One who came from Silvw {thicket of briers;woods} the name of several places
in Spain & Portugal.

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 05:54:47 PM »

Presidental shooters with "swamp/forest " last names.
Zangara [Italian}  dweller on a mire or in a swampy place.
On Sept.15,1933 Gueseppi ZANGARA attempted to shoot POTUS Franklin Roosevelt in Miami Florida...He missed but hit 5 other people...
John Hinckley>>Hinck means bear cub//ley=a clearing in a wood.{Shot Reagen in Oct.1981}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Jane_Moore
Moore attempted to shoot POTUS Gerald Ford on Sept.22,1975,missing his head by 6 inches.
Moore means dweller on a waste land or high marsh.
Lee=Clearing in a wood.
Harvey=carnage worthy
Oswald=dweller in the eastern forest...{Oswald was not a shooter but was in on it }..he just didn't figure out he was the patsy until it was too late.

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« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 06:35:02 AM »

From the book Jesse James' Secret   ..by Ron Patore & John Woods>>Pages 258-260 is a list of members of the James gang who rode with the James/Younger Brothers over the life of the gang.
The following list is the  gang members with swamp/forest last names...some were brothers or cousins with the same last name so I will put a number next to the name to indicate that .
Reed 2.....//Poole 2...//Whymore...//Blackmore...//Burnes...//Hulsey...//Coburn...// Pitts..
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Frank James wrote that he and Jesse were half brothers...Frank's real father's last name was Reed..."Mrs.James" got pregant & Mr James married her & they quickly moved from Kentucky to Misouri
to hide the early birth of baby Frank...
It is estimated that over the life of the James gang an estimated $ 1,292,800 million dollars was taken in bank & train robberies....The James/Younger brothers were members of the Knights of the Golden Circle..
& a part of the stolen money went to finance that "Masonic" organization.
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 09:35:38 AM »

There is a big city in Queensland ,Australia called Brisbane....it got flooded last earlier this year..

Brisbane means "nickname for the torturer who broke bones."... Roll Eyes
Page 60>>New Dictionary of American Family Names by Elsden C. Smith....

I never knew torturers had specialities.... Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2011, 11:54:16 AM »

" I think that sounds & names carry vibrations with them & that linage & ancestral heritage carries a karma

of sorts that repeats  itself through future generations...{ but that does not mean that a person can't rise above their ancestral karma."};;by Chrysoprase on another forum..
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 02:38:48 PM »

van-der-Sloot {Dutch} dweller near a reedy ditch or quagmire.

Jaron van-der-Sloot is currently awaiting trial in Peru for the murder & robbery of Stephany

Ramirez,who was found murdered EXACTLY 5 years after the disappearence of Natalee Holoway...
van-der-Sloot is the prime suspect in Holoway's murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joran_van_der_Sloot
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 04:52:49 PM »

Players in the JFK hit
Shaw:Dweller in a copse of thicket>>Clay Shaw
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shaw

E.Howard Hunt>>One who hunted game; a huntsman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_Hunt
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 05:06:24 PM »

Adam Weishaupt

Adam (first man)

Weis (White) [Light ?]

Haupt (Haupt in the broadest sense means something on the top of a hierarchy.)

First man to illuminate atop the pyramid ?
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2011, 06:09:42 PM »

Cecil Rhodes>>Rhodes Scholarship.....///Rhodesia...now renamed Zimbabwe & Zambia
Cecil>>Descendent of Cecil {blind}
Rhodes >>dweller in a clearing in a wood.

http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_Rhodes
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2011, 04:39:38 AM »

Hillary Swank won the oscar for her role in Boys Don't Cry,which was based on a true story that took place in Nebraska....The actual murderer's last name is Lotter.
Lotter : a ne'er do well  or "one good for nothing".
Lottman:one who came from Lotte {muddy place}.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_Don't_Cry_(film)
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2011, 06:26:07 PM »

Palin {Swedish} dweller near a marsh or swamp.

Sarah's maiden name is Heath
Heath : one who came from Heath{waste land with low shrubs} the name of several places in England.
Palin;;The term" Beyond the pale" means someone who lives outside the village...on uncultivated land...

I'm not saying Sarah is a criminal......I'm just pointing out her linage....where she came from...BEYOND THE PALE..!
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 01:49:25 PM »

Rover{German}One who robbed on the highway,sometimes a robber knight.

Rovin,Rovine,Rovinsky {Polish/Russian} Dweller at the ditch or canal.

Carl Rove aka Bush's Brain....>>there is no defination for the last name ROVE...but it might be a shortened form of either of the 2 above names....according to one of Alex's documentaries Carl Rove's grandfather
was a "govenor" of a "state " in Germany.
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 12:11:19 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jukes_family

This link is about a family of criminals in New York state that was generational.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2011, 04:03:26 AM »

here is the link to my original thread that has gone over 26 thousand views in the past 2 years...I'm hoping some writer will spot it and weave it into the plot of a mystery/crime novel......or whatever.....
Unfortunatly the idea is too politically incorrect for main stream research...but if an expert in geneology looked into it I think there are many more revelations that are waiting to be discovered...
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=94579
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2011, 05:19:43 AM »

FWIW....the police have reopened the Natalie Wood death  case...a book has been published or is about to be published by the captain of the ship owned by Robet Wagner...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wagner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Wood
The book casts suspicion on Wagner,who ,had Natalie left him for a second time ;would have lost a lot of "face"...
Wagner has the same meaning as Wayne....One who drove a cart/one who made  or repaired wagons/a cartwright.
The modern day equalivant is a truck driver  or auto mechanic...
Technically Wagner is not a swamp/forest name...but it is a dodgy name given the number of criminals with the middle name of WAYNE convicted of murder...
Wagner is about 80 years old now....Wood,if she were alive ,would be about 73...
Christopher Walkin had no motive IMO...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Walken
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2012, 05:40:17 AM »

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=149941

Romney {English}:One who came from Romney {island in a marsh,spacious river} in Kent. Shocked

New Dictionary of American Family Names...page 431
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2012, 07:56:39 AM »

http://www.mandus.org
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=198293
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=198442
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=197049

i think i've found the missing piece of the puzzle regarding this idea....the solution is the Neanderthal/Cromagnan hybrids were pushed out of the prime real estate into the swamps ,forests,moors,and barron lands by the Cromagnans.....they live hand to mouth & become preditory...
..................time passes and around 1345 the Black Plague kills off 1/3  to 1/4 of the population of europe.....farm labor is hard to find so the Neanderthals are able to better themselves by becoming serfs....
..............................more time passes.....
the Industrial Revolution starts and the Neanderthals migrate to the cities..where they has access to gin,whiskey,gambling,prostitution,,etc...and again they revert to their previous preditory ways...they become criminals...but their last names given to them hundreds of years earlier follow them.....
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2012, 12:56:10 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztec
The Aztecs/Mexicas migrated to the south & eventually settled on a SWAMPY islandin Lake Texcoco...{ i read a book that said they subsisted for generations by eating reptiles}..They founded their first town in 1325.
It took them over 100 years but eventually they became the dominant power in central Mexico in 1428.
The Aztecs instituted the idea of ongoing warfare & ritual human sacrifice to keep the sun moving across the sky...

There is an brutal drug gang war going on in northern Mexico where human heads are found on a regular basis...
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2012, 07:14:59 AM »

Weidmann [German].One who hunted game : a huntsman.

Eugen Weidmann : the last person to be publicly executed by guillotine in france,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Weidmann
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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2012, 09:45:02 AM »

Atavism: the reappearance in an individual of characteristics of some remote ancestor that has been absent in intervening years.
Reversion to an earlier type: a throwback.


This can go both ways....good characteristics or bad...

IMO Alex Jones is a throwback to his revolutionary ancestors .
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2012, 04:49:03 PM »

Morton {english} One who came from Morton{homestead by a marsh}.

Sean David Morton
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/sean_david_morton.htm

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/george_noory.htm
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2012, 04:42:01 AM »

Sinner,Sinn {German} One who came from Sinn {swamp} in Germany.
Page 472>>New Dictionary of American Family Names.

Seriously,I'm not making this stuff up.... Shocked
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2012, 01:09:20 PM »

James Holmes   the Batman movie shooter in colorado last night.

Holmes {English} dweller on a river island.....dweller on a piece of dry land in a fen.
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« Reply #24 on: July 20, 2012, 04:07:59 PM »

Mudgett {English} Dweller in,or near,the little swamp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_H_Holmes
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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2012, 09:26:07 AM »

Wade Michael Page : the Wisconson temple shooter.

Wade : dweller near a shallow river crossing or ford. { i suspect this is a family name that has been passed down through the generations.

Farley:dweller in a fern covered clearing.
Richard Wade Farley
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Farley

Richard Wade Cooey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cooey


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Wade
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« Reply #26 on: August 09, 2012, 08:59:52 AM »

Birnie {Scot }Dweller on moist,oozy ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_and_Catherine_Birnie
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2012, 12:21:01 PM »

Thomas Alton Caffall was the Texas A&M shooter..
the meaning of Caffall is unknown....
Alton means: One who came from the old village at the source of the river.,the name of several places in England.

2 police officers were killed in Louisanna 3 days ago but I am unable to find any followup stories about the 5 men arrested.. Huh     .if anyone knows their last names please post....thanks.marlowe...
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2012, 06:27:43 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors_murders

Ian Brady & Myra Hindley were the murderers.

Brady : dweller on a broad island.

Hindley :One who came from Hindley {woods frequented by hinds [female deer] in Lancashire.

Note : the original thread below has gone over 40 thousand views.Read it for more details & information. Shocked

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=94579
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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2012, 05:45:46 PM »

Today's school shooter ...or a version of his name.

Lanza,Lanzo {Italian} a mercenary German soldier,One who fought with a lance.
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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2013, 07:39:58 AM »

Eddie Ray Routh killed American sniper Chris Kyle.

Routh {English} dweller on rough,shaly ground.
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« Reply #31 on: May 03, 2013, 07:11:57 AM »

Carnell Moore was the shooter at the Houston airport yesterday.....

Moore {English} dweller in a bog,heath,moor,or wasteland.

Please note : I haven't been updating this thread on Prison Planet on a regular basis...

For more recent updates see my original thread >>>>>

>>  http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94579
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2014, 10:37:56 AM »

My original thread on this topic has gone over 64 thousand views.....
I don't usually update this thread on Prison Planet Forum...

To read recent posts go to http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread?t=94579
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2014, 12:05:54 PM »

Rep. Michael Grimm threatens to throw a reporter off balcony & break him in half... Embarrassed

Grimm {English} The fierce ,savage person  Shocked also a descendent of Grim {mask}
page 197 of New Dictionary of American Family Names.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/28/Michael -grimm-treat_n_4684695.html
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