Poll: Why do you think the number of people with concealed pistol licenses is on

[Freebird100]

Poll: Why do you think the number of people with concealed pistol licenses is on the rise?

http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2011/10/poll_why_do_you_think_the_numb.html

Gun safety classes have recently become more popular since Michigan became a "shall-issue" state in 2000, making it easier for residents to obtain a concealed pistol license if they are at least 21 and meet certain requirements.

People of all ages and both genders are taking the carrying a concealed weapon/concealed pistol license class, meaning more people are indeed "packing."

Why do you think that the number of people who carry a concealed weapon is on the rise? Let us know by taking our poll.

To obtain a concealed pistol license, you must be 21 or older, but you can take the CCW/CPL class at any age. The licenses must be renewed every five years. For information, visit www.michigan.gov/msp or www.mcrgo.org

[donnay]

For protection with the coming unrest.

[Freebird100]

For protection with the coming unrest.

We have a winner!!!  ;-)

[Catalina]

Protection from thugs, looters, UN demonic armies and rogue elements inside the U.S.

[MonkeyPuppet]

Protection from thugs, looters, UN demonic armies and rogue elements inside the U.S.

That, and the day-to-day crime that is otherwise normal... that's why I wear my firearm every time I leave the house.  Most news reports of some form of violence includes interviews of people that either survived the incident or those from the area... they all say the same thing, "I never thought it would happen here".  Well, actually you should have since, and not to sound paranoid, but there simply is no way to know where or when someone will lose it or a criminal will do what they do.  It's best to simply be prepared.  Purchase combat-grade firearms and train with them regularly, carry a substantial means of self-protection at all times as well as materials for engaging an unfortunate circumstance (first aid, flares, etc.).  Why?  Because you simply never know.  It's like the condom thing... "I'd rather have one and not need it, than need it and not have it."

[WarChest]

Tyrannical local and Federal Government


I didn't see that option there.

[DireWolf]

It's simple. People no longer have faith in the ability of those we pay to Protect and Serve, to do just that.

 Be ever mindful of the flip side of this coin. With ever more licenses comes more information on the individual as to specifics regarding that individual.

Government knowing who, where, and the type of firearm will be used against us when the s?it hits the fan. That's why governments keep lists so as to be able to make you submit to them at any cost.

[MonkeyPuppet]

It's simple. People no longer have faith in the ability of those we pay to Protect and Serve, to do just that.

 Be ever mindful of the flip side of this coin. With ever more licenses comes more information on the individual as to specifics regarding that individual.

Government knowing who, where, and the type of firearm will be used against us when the s?it hits the fan. That's why governments keep lists so as to be able to make you submit to them at any cost.

While generally true, most States' concealed carry programs (I'm not familiar with all of them) have nothing to do with the type, make or model of firearm, or number of firearms, owned by the license holder.  Also, possessing a license does not necessarily equate to actually owning any firearms.

As far as I'm concerned, and exposing myself as somewhat of an optimist (at the moment), the conceal carry permits are a stepping stone to full Constitutional carry.  Of course, the Brady campaign and the ignorant masses are working just as hard to prevent that.  That's one reason I make it a point to always carry exposed at social gatherings at private residences.  The desensitization game works both ways.


As for the whole "protect and serve" nonsense.  There is plenty of jurisprudence that proves that such a duty, with regard to providing personal safety, never existed.  Hence the expression "I carry a gun because a cop is too damn heavy."

[DireWolf]

While generally true, most States' concealed carry programs (I'm not familiar with all of them) have nothing to do with the type, make or model of firearm, or number of firearms, owned by the license holder.  Also, possessing a license does not necessarily equate to actually owning any firearms.

As far as I'm concerned, and exposing myself as somewhat of an optimist (at the moment), the conceal carry permits are a stepping stone to full Constitutional carry.  Of course, the Brady campaign and the ignorant masses are working just as hard to prevent that.  That's one reason I make it a point to always carry exposed at social gatherings at private residences.  The desensitization game works both ways.


As for the whole "protect and serve" nonsense.  There is plenty of jurisprudence that proves that such a duty, with regard to providing personal safety, never existed.  Hence the expression "I carry a gun because a cop is too damn heavy."

I applaud your optimism but computers allow govt agencies to cross check very easily. As to your not equating a concealed carry with owing a firearm it doesn't make sense. If you bought a hunting licenses, fishing licenses, or any other licenses indicates you most likely partake in that endeavor.  To go through the required training and background checks not to mention the $$$ spent doing so and not then use such a licenses, again makes no sense. Having the licenses to do so would give any govt agency cause to think you would have a firearm, lest why go to all the trouble. At the very least you would have access to one and then be asked about that aspect of the equation.
 Licensing is but a prelude to deny a right turned privilege

  "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. suspect every one whho approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downirght force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined"
                                                                                                                Patrick Henry

[MonkeyPuppet]

I applaud your optimism but computers allow govt agencies to cross check very easily. As to your not equating a concealed carry with owing a firearm it doesn't make sense. If you bought a hunting licenses, fishing licenses, or any other licenses indicates you most likely partake in that endeavor.  To go through the required training and background checks not to mention the $$$ spent doing so and not then use such a licenses, again makes no sense. Having the licenses to do so would give any govt agency cause to think you would have a firearm, lest why go to all the trouble. At the very least you would have access to one and then be asked about that aspect of the equation.
 Licensing is but a prelude to deny a right turned privilege

  "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. suspect every one whho approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downirght force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined"
                                                                                                                Patrick Henry

Oh I totally understand the idea of permits and licenses turning rights into privileges.  However, typically where a concealed carry program is implemented, the right has been denied already... the permit program tends to be a long-awaited effort to restore but a portion of it, albeit at the State's purview.

I don't hold my CHL up as some shining beacon of liberty, but rather as a mark.  In time, though, the oppression that we endure shall either lift through the efforts of diplomacy... or it shall be lifted out of a river of blood.  That's not a threat of violence, but rather a statement of fact... the People can only endure so much until that tree is watered once again.

For now, the permit process allows those who would otherwise be denied completely, to engage others in civil discourse while chipping away at the misconceptions... not to mention the surprisingly friendly tone it casts upon encounters with law enforcement.  Those not involved in the firearms community would be surprised to learn how much most (not all, but most... my experience anyway) cops appreciate a diligent citizen.  That is all the more surprising considering my appearance... the encounters start off uneasy (on their part) and end like we're best buds.  It really is entertaining.