Young Boy wishes to join Girl Scouts

[America2]

10/26/11 [VIDEO NEWS CLIP INSIDE]

Bobby Montoya is a 7-year-old boy from Denver. Unlike a lot of young boys, Bobby has no desire to join the Boy Scouts. Instead, he wants to be a Girl Scout.

We first saw Montoya's story over at 9news.com. The NBC affiliate reports that when the boy's  mother, Felisha Archuleta, tried to sign her son up for Girl Scouts, a troop leader told her no.

Archuleta spoke with 9News about the incident. "I said, 'Well, what's the big deal?' She [the troop leader] said, 'It doesn't matter how he looks; he has boy parts, he can't be in Girl Scouts. Girl Scouts don't allow that, [and] I don't want to be in trouble by parents or my supervisor.'"

Reporters with 9News contacted  Girl Scouts of Colorado about Montoya's application, which prompted the group to release a statement: "Our requests for support of transgender kids have grown, and Girl Scouts of Colorado is working to best support these children, their families and the volunteers who serve them. In this case, an associate delivering our program was not aware of our approach. She contacted her supervisor, who immediately began working with the family to get the child involved and supported in Girl Scouts. We are accelerating our support systems and training so that we're better able to serve all girls, families and volunteers."


We placed a call to Rachelle Trujillo, vice president of communications at Girl Scouts of Colorado, for further clarification. She replied with this statement: "Girl Scouts is an inclusive organization, and we accept all girls in kindergarten through 12th grade as members. If a child lives life as a girl and the family brings the child to us to participate in Girl Scouts, Girl Scouts of Colorado welcomes her. Girl Scouts of Colorado respects the privacy of all girls and families we work with. When a family requests membership for their daughter, we do not require proof of gender, we respect the decisions of families."

So it would seem that Bobby will get his wish. Gender-identity issues are becoming more common, especially among young children--which makes it more likely that the policy of the Girl Scouts will face future tests in the months and years ahead.

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/young-boy-wishes-join-girl-scouts-210130922.html

[Constitutionary]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOh7V6WlfIM

 

[decemberfellow]

To solve the problem just start a charter for transgender  scouts
of America.

[reddog801]

SERIOUSLY? I mean? WTF?

The child is either Male or Female. Period. I don't care if he does have both parts, he has to be one or the other. You cannot have your cake and eat it to. Jesus age christ....

[larsonstdoc]

To solve the problem just start a charter for transgender  scouts
of America.

  Good one.

  I suppose now all public places will need 3 bathrooms---men, women and other

  People such as Chaz Bono, Mr Rachel Maddow, Mr Janet Napolitano are screwing up the entire world.

[EyesOpenWider]

I sure have been seeing a lot of special stories on the news channels regarding sexuality...lesbians being raped in Africa...gay kids being bullied in the US...it only gets worse (child love? wtf?) if you take the time to look...

I sense an agenda at work...

[decemberfellow]

Don't know what to say.   I guess we will soon see Tom Boys in the boyscouts.
   

(CNSNews.com) - The Girl Scouts of Colorado are allowing a 7-year-old boy to join a local troop because he is “living life as a girl.”
 
“We make the distinction that if a child is living life as a girl and the family brings the child to us and says my daughter wants to be a Girl Scout, we welcome her,” Rachelle Trujillo, vice president of communications with Girl Scouts of Colorado told CNSNews.com.
 
On Tuesday, 9news.com, a Denver-based television station, initially reported the story of the 7-year-old boy, Bobby Montoya. His mother, Felisha Archuleta, said a local troop leader told her Bobby could not join the troop because he was a boy.


 

But the statewide organization responded to inquiries from 9news.com by saying that Girls Scouts is “an inclusive organization” and that Bobby would be allowed to join. [/size]

[NYBasher23]

Why is there "Boy" scouts and "Girl" scouts if these organizations are just going to allow the opposite sex children into them

[NYBasher23]

I sure have been seeing a lot of special stories on the news channels regarding sexuality...lesbians being raped in Africa...gay kids being bullied in the US...it only gets worse (child love? wtf?) if you take the time to look...

I sense an agenda at work...

So what do you suppose this agenda is? It seems to me a way to confuse the children of the world about their sexuality (population control?)

[Letsbereal]

Yeah, I bet ya ass he does!

Maybe he should be thinking bout joining the ballet class too

This only can mean two thinks:

1) Either he's terribly gay or ...

2) He's one of a hell smart wonnabe super alpha male 'f**karound' cookie.

[MonkeyPuppet]

Yeah, I bet ya ass he does!

Maybe he should be thinking bout joining the ballet class too

This only can mean two thinks:

1) Either he's terribly gay or ...

2) He's one of a hell smart wonnabe super alpha male 'f**karound' cookie.

LOL.  That's an unexpected angle.  Who'd suspect a 7 year old looking to get laid at Scout camp... sneaky bastard.

[filletboy]

  Good one.

  I suppose now all public places will need 3 bathrooms---men, women and other

  People such as Chaz Bono, Mr Rachel Maddow, Mr Janet Napolitano are screwing up the entire world.

all prophesied in the bible



Jude 1:7: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[filletboy]

Why is there "Boy" scouts and "Girl" scouts if these organizations are just going to allow the opposite sex children into them

true that


why are they segregated at all?

[MonkeyPuppet]

true that

why are they segregated at all?

Boys do boy stuff.  Girls do girl stuff.  Derr

They should be segregated.

[Valerius]

http://thinkexist.com/quotation/stan-i-want-to-be-a-woman-from-now-on-i-want-you/348145.html

[A Dissident]

all prophesied in the bible



Jude 1:7: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Gee, it was rather unfair of the big cheese to create people like Chaz with urges that would bring them "the vengeance of eternal fire" while people like you and myself are allowed to live free of such "sinful" impulses?

Boys do boy stuff.  Girls do girl stuff.  Derr 

They should be segregated.

Not true in all cases. Some boys want to do "girl things" and "Tom Boy" girls seem to be more drawn toward "boy things" - weirdly, there's a higher tolerance for the latter among the bigots.

"Boy things" and "girl things" are largely a result of social programming, more than anything else.

Here in Canada, girls have been allowed to join boy's hockey teams after filing lawsuits. And that is right. In fact, it is amazing to see professed advocates of liberty speaking in opposition to children who don't feel like they should be dictated by society's gender roles. This is a liberty issue, and for that reason you should support it even if it goes against your religious beliefs. After all, no one is forcing you to send your boy off to the girl scouts, but to oppose the boys who want to simply because your personal moral/religious views don't jive with them is to take an anti-freedom position.

[MonkeyPuppet]

Not true in all cases. Some boys want to do "girl things" and "Tom Boy" girls seem to be more drawn toward "boy things" - weirdly, there's a higher tolerance for the latter among the bigots.

"Boy things" and "girl things" are largely a result of social programming, more than anything else.

Here in Canada, girls have been allowed to join boy's hockey teams after filing lawsuits. And that is right. In fact, it is amazing to see professed advocates of liberty speaking in opposition to children who don't feel like they should be dictated by society's gender roles. This is a liberty issue, and for that reason you should support it even if it goes against your religious beliefs. After all, no one is forcing you to send your boy off to the girl scouts, but to oppose the boys who want to simply because your personal moral/religious views don't jive with them is to take an anti-freedom position.

Really?  A "liberty" issue?  Then why do you feel it is okay for force a private organization to accept someone they otherwise would not?

It's the GIRL Scouts.  They are fully within their rights to prohibit boys from joining.  This is a liberty issue.  Forcing them to accept him would be ANTI-liberty.  I don't care how this kid feels or whether he is "transgender" or whatever other shit his parents think.  This is no justification for forcing anyone or any organization to accept him if, as a matter of policy, they only accept girls.  He's not a girl.

For the minority of those with gender issues, perhaps they should take it upon themselves to create an organization that does not discriminate based on gender.

By the way, the overwhelming majority of boys that do boy stuff and girls that do girl stuff is not a result of social programming.  We are different sexes with different feelings, interests and all manner of things that make us different from the other.  Are there some that do not fit that generalization?  Yes.  Are there some that take that a step further and believe they are the opposite sex occupying what they consider the wrong sex for them?  Sure, but does that mean that all companies, organizations and the like must accommodate them?  No, it does not.  If this were even possible, which would not be compatible with the principle of liberty, than why not force individuals to be equally accepting and accommodating?  Hell, why not burn "normals" at the stake who find the very idea of transgender people objectionable or, to a greater or lesser degree, bullshit?

Now, does this mean that girls can't do boy stuff or that boys can't do girl stuff?  No, it doesn't.  It just means that if an organization wants to call itself Girl Scouts and exclude boys, that is their right.

Don't claim to be for liberty when you're advocating for the opposite.  Proclaiming your acceptance or tolerance is fine... forcing others to do the same is the antithesis of our founding principles.

[A Dissident]

Really?  A "liberty" issue?  Then why do you feel it is okay for force a private organization to accept someone they otherwise would not?

It's the GIRL Scouts.  They are fully within their rights to prohibit boys from joining.  This is a liberty issue.  Forcing them to accept him would be ANTI-liberty.  I don't care how this kid feels or whether he is "transgender" or whatever other shit his parents think.  This is no justification for forcing anyone or any organization to accept him if, as a matter of policy, they only accept girls.  He's not a girl.

The entire dogmatic absolutism of it all is disturbing. Clearly, the woman who would not let him enlist in the Girl Scouts was worried about what her superiors would say. I'm not faulting her - that's a natural concern. However, if the organization is devotedly against his enlistment, one should ask them what serious harm would come from it?

I do understand your argument that it is a private organization. My comment about this being a liberty issue mostly relates to simply supporting the right of a boy like this to make the decisions he makes about his life. I dislike how people on this board tend to be very against  gay rights when really, that is indisputably a liberty issue.

By the way, the overwhelming majority of boys that do boy stuff and girls that do girl stuff is not a result of social programming.  We are different sexes with different feelings, interests and all manner of things that make us different from the other.

Growing up in the "melting pot" that is Toronto, I've come to disagree with that simply based on personal experience. I was never really segregated from anyone or given any kind of moral/religious code. I grew up in public schools and public-funded catholic schools. Hung out with girls and boys. Of my three closest friends, two are girls (I'm a guy) and the dude's gay (I swear I'm straight!  ). A tom boy will usually have come from a family in which she was particularly close to her father or had many brothers. I've come to believe that natural instinct has very little to do with our personalities. Whatever social programming we had is far more of an influence.

Boys and girls tend to act/respond in different ways. I've found that many of those claiming to have books explaining all of that (the dude who wrote that Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus shit) are money-grubbing charlatan fakes.

Hell, why not burn "normals" at the stake who find the very idea of transgender people objectionable or, to a greater or lesser degree, bullshit?

I can't force a member of the Klan to like black people. Doesn't mean I'm not going to treat them like the shithead they are for their racist bullshit.

Don't claim to be for liberty when you're advocating for the opposite.  Proclaiming your acceptance or tolerance is fine... forcing others to do the same is the antithesis of our founding principles.

I see where you're coming from. I hope you can see where I am coming from too. I simply feel like so many have forgotten that liberty means freedom, not freedom to follow tradition and the Bible.

[MonkeyPuppet]

I see where you're coming from. I hope you can see where I am coming from too. I simply feel like so many have forgotten that liberty means freedom, not freedom to follow tradition and the Bible.

This is not a religious issue.  It is indeed a "liberty issue", as you put it, but from the opposite direction.  No one is forcing the boy to feel or act a particular way.  What you're suggesting is that the organization accommodate him... most likely by force, I'd imagine, since if they choose not to, many people, assuming you included, would applaud a law suit forcing them to do so.

Tradition and the Bible have nothing to do with it.

I understand how you feel, but that, like religion in this case, is irrelevant.  Legislating, and ruling, based on feelings is anti-liberty.

[A Dissident]

This is not a religious issue.  It is indeed a "liberty issue", as you put it, but from the opposite direction.  No one is forcing the boy to feel or act a particular way.  What you're suggesting is that the organization accommodate him... most likely by force, I'd imagine, since if they choose not to, many people, assuming you included, would applaud a law suit forcing them to do so.

Tradition and the Bible have nothing to do with it.

I understand how you feel, but that, like religion in this case, is irrelevant.  Legislating, and ruling, based on feelings is anti-liberty.

The argument that its a private organization makes sense. I kind of jerked the knee when I saw people coming down on the kid.

[MonkeyPuppet]

The argument that its a private organization makes sense. I kind of jerked the knee when I saw people coming down on the kid.

I understand.  Feelings muddy the issues all too often.