Non biased answers please... What will be safer, the UK or Canada?

[criticalunity]

[O/T: Non biased answers please... What will be safer, the UK or Canada? ]
I'm having to make a moving decision, and I'm wondering, in terms of weather from pole shifts or whatnot, wars, economy, etc, what would be the safer place to live in, england or canada?

Thanks!

[All4truth]

I don't know about the weather, it's miserable today. LOL  But if you want somewhere where you can get out of cities, and live in nowhere land, maybe Canada is for you, but make sure to bring your woolies.  LOL

[resist.tyranny]

Yeah I'd say Canadia as well.  More options available.  You're going to have more trouble with growing food than a warmer climate, but there's plenty of room to hide out there.  Plus if you want to sneak back into the U.S. you can go to Alaska.  Or jump on a boat and head over to Russia if the shitter really hits the fan. 

[tosso]

Canada afcourse

[criticalunity]

I'm currently living in a small town just outside of manchester, and it's really quaint, but the majority of the people are MESSED UP.... social conditioning to the MAX.... The first thing that happened to me when I came out of the train station when I arrived here was a bunch of kids laughed at me because I had a suitcase... I get called 'the canadian'... People are REALLY sexist, both ways, and riots just spark off mega big stylee... There are obviously cameras almost everywhere, and I was filmed by some cocky cop with a CCTV camera around his neck... no joke.... a little rectangular thing, he flipped it on, and said ' you're on CCTV, what are you filming mate?' I said... the SKY, mate, it isn't the property of the government now is it? I wouldn't be surprised by the claim if it is, I'm just filming chemtrails, you know, those streaks in the sky that are NOt regular jet exhaust, where mainstreal articles describe them as geoengineering, and are finding dangerous amounts of aluminum and barium in the water and soil.. Do you have kids sir? Whether you do or not, you really should look up 'aerosol crimes' and 'what in the world are they spraying'... He forced em to give him my ID, and then I said' so, you gonna look it up? And he said yeah.

Anyways, I need more answers, WAY MORE, because canada, where I came from 6 months ago, IS still part of america, but then again, the UK is in the EU and is the center for global control, and if I was one of these bloodlines, I'd certainly not want the people around me being free and jolly...

[Overcast]

Considering that it may be the same government before long... not sure it will matter a lot, but yea - Canada does have more untamed land.

[Kilika]

Canada definately, for now. The UK has become a nightmare of a police state.

[Overcast]

Canada definately, for now. The UK has become a nightmare of a police state.

And is VERY likely just an experiment that will dramatically expand.

[somebody637]

I can't speak on the Canada front, but I do live in the UK albeit scotland which does have different laws and a different culture from "England".  I see how much england is changing, and its not a good thing, it really is a police state now, they have no culture now, and their rights are being taking away and half don't even know it!! people in england can be very ignorant, its sad, either its the youngsters not wanting to learn cause they think politics dosn't effect them, or its the people who think they know whats going on cause they got their info from BBC and thats dangerous, its not the ignorant we need to help wake up its the ones who think they have knowledge but don't know shit!!!

[Rtruth]

Hey great question!!!..... I live in Canada so I thought I'd weigh in.

SPACE:
I was curious so I was checking a map. This blew my mind. England is nearly the size of New Found Land island of the Atlantic cost of Canada. (NFL is a (no not football) province of canada) This tiny spec of an island is the size of England. Also to add to that perspective, all of europe could be put into one of our largest provinces alone (NWT). England (not including the rest of the uk) has 51 million people. That's insane? It's totally insane. The crowdation. I can't imagine. And I was in London last year and ya it was crowded. So ya canada is freakin huge. and only 35 million in the whole country.

POLICE STATE:
you wanna talk police state, well cameras on every street corner in London right. Here in canada it's not quite that bad (yet). Our gov is very tyrannical. At least the Federal gov is.  Fortunate caveat to that is it's a slap on the wrist if you do something wrong the first time. Second time you're screwed. But our prison sentences aren't as stiff as the US because our jails aren't privatized. But not as bad as the US (yet). No check points as you drive around. We have the TSA too. But the airports aren't too bad. Cops are nice here. They don't beat on you if you dress and act normal.

STANDARD OF LIVING:
The corrador between the cities of Edmonton, reddeer and, Calgary were rated by the UN or something like that to have the highest standard of living in the world. Vancouver is way up there too. If you like big city living Vancouver is really good. Toronto is a bit crowded and there winters are terrible. If you want a small picturesc community I like Vernon BC, Canmore Alberta, or Banff Alberta. Health care is free and waiting time is short in Canada. Ecommony is decent, not great but not terrible either at this time.

Weather:
Prairie provinces are really cold in Jan and Feb. Like "really cold". But I guess you get use to it. If you want milder winters there's Vancouver, Windsor Ontario, or south west BC area. But the advantage is like this. If you're in Pheonix and it's plus 110 out, well you suffer. We have the opposite extreme here. Cold. But at least you can go outside without suffering, just put more clothes on. lol it's true.

PEOPLE:
just like the US, multicultural without all the racism. Lots of Asians in Vancouver. Lots of white people in the prairie provinces. More mix and blacks in Toronto. Native Americans basically own the north. Ya eskimos as well ha ha.

GEOGRAPHY:
One quick thing the prairie provinces are ideal in terms of geography. We don't get hurricans, earthquakes, floods, fires, tidal waves etc. We get the "odd tornado". And if California breaks off the water will only flood up to the west side of the rockies so your safe east of the rockies.

Anyway as for England, ahhh, that just another version of the U.S. Like amazing to visit, but I'm not sure you'd want to live there full time. Like London, ahh that smell of diesel fumes in the air? Ahhhhh just about died. The only place I've ever smelled smogg in Canada is Toronto and only once there. So it's pretty clean here. And we have wildlife. Like I saw a moose with 2 caves in the city a few months ago. Crazy.

Anyway, hope that helps. Go visit both though. But just remember a vacation isn't the same as living somewhere full time. If it was me I'd settle down in Vernon BC. Ahhh it's so beautiful and peaceful. All the big box stuff plus all the nature you could ever imagine and more all around you.

Anyway that's all I can give you for now. Good luck. Like look at the size of the countries below. England has 51million we have 35million but look at the difference in the country size. Canada is 2nd biggest in the world next to russia. fyi. And trust me, we have nukes too! no joke. That's top secret.

[planning4acrash]

It will be far easier to have martial law in Canada, because it has less people, crammed into more dense cities, exactly where the NWO want us to be. You could just shut down a couple of highways to quarantine millions of people in Canada. Remember that almost all the crops in Canada are GMO, so the minute you enter the country, you are putting yourself at risk, if you buy anything from the store. Same is true in USA. You can't even buy raw milk in Canada.

Do you really think there could be a fast clamp down in UK? With 60million people in a country the size of Florida? They do not have the man-power. This is why they want population reduction (one of the reasons).

And, it depends where you are in the country. I'd feel very safe in the Welsh mountains or the Scottish Highlands. Also, most rural areas will be fine. Just choose somewhere which is self sufficient with food. You could also offer yourself to work on a farm, which will generally have firearms, even in Britain most farmers have guns. You could exchange labor, willingness to take firearm duty and some gold coins to get lodgings (get to know your farmer now).

Switzerland would be great, and you can volunteer at a farm there for a few years. Maybe try WOOFING to get to know a farm in advance so you have somewhere to go. Every citizen has a military rifle, so there will not be chaos or invasion. The country is also too decentralized to be destroyed by bombing in the case of a war scenario, because that would only gather people into militias that would need to be dealt with on the ground by any invading force. It simply isn't going to happen.

If things really collapsed, I'd head off with a few gold and silver coins to somewhere like Ghana, in Africa, which has a peaceful population which is largely self sufficient. Stick it out there for five years or so whilst chaos happens elsewhere. You can live there for less than $1/day. If the collapse comes, gold will be over $10,000/ounce, so you could live there for about 5,000 days per ounce of gold. You can buy a house there for probably $750. When I was there last, a decent hotel would cost maybe $5/night.

Zimbabwe could be a great option. They already had hyperinflation. Although, they did rely on dollars for trading during that, but I'd imagine people have got used to barter and precious metals again in the black markets there. Same is probably true for S.Africa, which will benefit massively from a commodities bull market. So, in the face of collapse, find somewhere that has already collapsed! You don't want to be in a collapsing country, but a collapsed country may well have already found stability and new ways of dealing with things.

If Australia can get rid of its carbon taxes it could be good, but I do think its vulnerable to being invaded if there is a WWIII scenario. New Zealand could be safer, but if Australia falls, so would NZ. It would most likely be invaded by China, but only if America is defeated, because USA would protect Australia and its minerals.

Iceland could be a good bet. You would definitely be left alone in Greenland!

Probably top of the list, would be India, because their general public has so much gold that they will become extremely wealthy from the coming collapse. So long as you are not near the Kashmir border, near Pakistan and are away from the major cities if world war breaks out.

Main thing is, to have your passport ready, and some physical gold, so that you can afford to flee even if the currency collapses. Thing is, that you need to be ready to leave at short notice, because hyperinflation would probably take between 2 weeks and 2 months to take hold.

[wvoutlaw2002]

I'd choose either a remote part of Canada or a remote part of the Scottish highlands. You could be the Highlander/Infowarrior!

[Jordan]

Canada hands down.

[planning4acrash]

But the NWO do not invade with armies, they invade with Monsanto, and Canada is completely infested with GMO.

[Jordan]

But the NWO do not invade with armies, they invade with Monsanto, and Canada is completely infested with GMO.

Everywhere is ... it was just brought out a few days ago there is no "natural" wheat left on the planet, it's all GMO. Given the choice between UK and it's police state and a country that basically has legalized pot, herion and other drugs, I'd take the later.

[planning4acrash]

The UK is less of a Police State than America, by far, and Canada has far worse record on bashing heads. Just look at their treatment of Alex Jones on the border! On the whole, police here are very polite and rarely, if ever, get in people's way. As said, the population is too large and spread out to be controlled the way that it can be done in USA and Canada, where you have large, dense cities and a small number of highways that everybody has to use.

[Jordan]

The UK is less of a Police State than America, by far, and Canada has far worse record on bashing heads. Just look at their treatment of Alex Jones on the border! On the whole, police here are very polite and rarely, if ever, get in people's way. As said, the population is too large and spread out to be controlled the way that it can be done in USA and Canada, where you have large, dense cities and a small number of highways that everybody has to use.

Hmm No I hate to tell you Canada doesn't have a higher rate of head bashing then UK or US. I've lived there for many years before moving to Chicago. Most cops there are still really good people and aside from G20 you are more likely to read about some RCM getting his arse whooped in a fight at a pub then visa versa. They have far less people in prisions compared to UK and US (having the most in the world) and have lower crime rates and less laws. People there to this point in time are still in control and in better position then EITHER UK or US. Most drugs are legal there including heroin where just like in Amsterdam they have actual legal "houses" where you can go to get high if that is your thing.

The differences between Canada and UK are staggering, the economy is also another reason I would choose Canada over the UK. Land is cheaper (in most areas) and in the UK just try and get your OWN property. Their unempolyment is less then UK and US put together.

They don't have CCTV on every corner. Canada is a lot like what America used to be 40 years ago. I'm sure that will change for he sake of "global security" but for now there is no comparison.

http://www.financialjesus.com/how-to-get-rich/top-10-happiest-countries/

[planning4acrash]

In the UK, we did experiment with heroin on reducing doses on the NHS during the 1960's. When we ended that, addiction rates went up four fold.

[Jordan]

In the UK, we did experiment with heroin on reducing doses on the NHS during the 1960's. When we ended that, addiction rates went up four fold.

Tell that to the Netherlands where the crime rates went down and they had to close 35 prisons and I wouldnt trust anything UK government or government backed science had to say. Again the proof that legislating against human behavior doesn't work. Look at the crime in America and prisoners in America due to drug laws, it's a scam and only creates more crime. I offer prohibition as further proof, seriously what else does it take? I think every clued individual knows this. We even have the Mexican government begging the states to legalize at least Marijuana to stop the violence.

It just isn't acceptable thinking anymore, it's been tried and has failed to the worst extent imaginable. If someone wants to do drugs, raw milk, tabacco, home grown beef, non fluoride water, non GMO foods then let them and stop regulating against freedom. It's their bodies not the governments.

All they did was create another black market for drugs and fill their little prisons to make money off fools that don't get it.

[planning4acrash]

Jordan, you obviously didn't read what I said. In Britain, we decriminalized heroin during the 1960's and provided it free on the NHS to registered addicts. What I said was, that when that trial ended, addiction rates went up massively. I was, like you, calling for decriminalization and for addiction to be treated by medics as a disease, not as a crime.

[Jordan]

Jordan, you obviously didn't read what I said. In Britain, we decriminalized heroin during the 1960's and provided it free on the NHS to registered addicts. What I said was, that when that trial ended, addiction rates went up massively. I was, like you, calling for decriminalization and for addiction to be treated by medics as a disease, not as a crime.

I understood perfectly what you said - This UK study doesn't cotton and I don't think I believe it since most current studies show the opposite is the result. In places where drugs are legal they have less addiction then places like the US and UK where it is illegal. I think you might be a victim of government propaganda...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/aug/16/treatment-addiction-reducing-drug-use

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/67

We don't need governments telling people what to put in their bodies, stupidity is a self correcting problem. If someone wants to drink drano it will kill them, putting them in jail for trying to do so is absurd. It's about money.

Not that any of this will change your mind but the laws against drugs are more harmful to society then the drugs themselves. I live in a country that has proven that a million times over.

Peace...

[planning4acrash]

Jordan, you are a bleeding idiot. I told you that addiction was lower when drugs were legal in the UK and when the government provided FREE HEROINE on the NHS!!

I am agreeing with you! Hows about you go argue with yourself somewhere else!!!!

[Overcast]

Hmm No I hate to tell you Canada doesn't have a higher rate of head bashing then UK or US.

Yes, it's not just the US or Canada that's going to hell in a handbasket - the NWO wants to destroy the whole world, equally.

[WLGarrison]

I'd go with Canada for the open land.  Check out the firearms laws at the link below:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/faq/gen-eng.htm

[planning4acrash]

Most farmers in the UK have firearms. I was recently at a pub, and a hunting party came in. They were regulars and had all chipped in to have a gun safe at the pub, so handed in the firearms to the Publican. So, most folk in the country find ways to keep their shotguns.

Over 1.8 million legally owned firearms in the UK. That is about one gun for every 50 men women and children: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/25/gun-ownership-firearms-certificates

And we still have the Common Law defense for self-defense. Whilst that currently is sometimes circumvented, a spate of looting, and the politicians would loose the battle on this and it would become accepted again to use weapons in self-defense. We are very close to sentiment tipping towards firearms here.

[planning4acrash]

In Dyfed-Powys, in Wales, there are more than 1 gun licensed for every 10 people. Just proving what I said, that you will be safer in the rural areas like Wales, where each community would swiftly develop local militias in the case of unrest. Yes, we do not have hand guns, but a shot gun is good enough to scare off looters if the economy collapses.

[ekimdrachir]

Get Your Ass To Mars! Yeeeaaargh!!

[Jordan]

Jordan, you are a bleeding idiot. I told you that addiction was lower when drugs were legal in the UK and when the government provided FREE HEROINE on the NHS!!

I am agreeing with you! Hows about you go argue with yourself somewhere else!!!!

Ah yeah, I guess up too late. My apologies. That's hilarious.

[Kilika]

1 gun for every 10 people in Wales? In the US, we have 90 guns sper 100 people. No wonder tyrrants don't like the US.

[planning4acrash]

I'm not saying its ideal. but at least it is better than the common perception that there are no guns in the UK.

[Rtruth]

"you must learn to run hide da highland way" 

[EvadingGrid]

A lot depends upon where exactly you live, and the exact nature of the crisis.

Some random Examples :

Is it good to own a Gun when -  the vast majority if your Neighbours and Police do not own a gun ?

Its good to throw ideas about though.
But remember, circumstances play a big part.

[phasma]

As aresident of HMP UK - I would say Canada . . if nothing else you have far more land mass and escape possibilities !

[Freeski]

Keep in mind the socialist/collectivist mindset is deeply ingrained into the Canadian people -- including the vast majority of "conservatives". This country is headed for the abyss, just like the rest of the Western World and if a global war breaks out, Canada is right between the U.S. and Russia.

The wildlife is great and plentiful, though!

[phasma]

Plenty of space too . . vanihing into the wilds would be possible . . unlike uk where they have speed cameras in the middle of mountain ranges !

[Rtruth]

Keep in mind the socialist/collectivist mindset is deeply ingrained into the Canadian people -- including the vast majority of "conservatives". This country is headed for the abyss, just like the rest of the Western World and if a global war breaks out, Canada is right between the U.S. and Russia.

The wildlife is great and plentiful, though!

I think our biggest problem is that because we are socialist, the gov is always spewing out tons and tons of propaganda, making it look as if "we're you're friend and we're looking out for you", which seems to trick most people. Most people actually believe the gov is there friend and cares about them. We're so brainwashed it's sad. The gestopo showing up at your door "annual censes" (smiling)!, annual census my ass!!! They're the cdn gestopo! Speaking of which it dawned on me the other day that if anyone comes to your door or calls your home and you don't recognize them, it's best not to answer. Chances are extremely good that they've arrived to waste your time, ask for money, or add a problem to your life. And I so wish that wasn't true. That's something you'd hear a senior person say, but it's so true. Maybe 1 out of 10 people who call  or visit your place who you don't know are there with sincere and good intentions. The rest are there to screw you!

[kita]

Stay were you are and fight like hell,they are both as bad as each other.You will be hunted down no matter where you go.Running into the hills with an attack chopper,beaming down FLIR on your butt,you will light up like a xmas tree.The commonwealth countries are more like Russia,the US is more in your face.



Just prepare to meet your maker,get your spiritual house in order.

[Rtruth]

I agree. If you live in the US you might want to move. But the UK or Canada might not be good choices. Move to some tropical climate. We already have snow and sub zero temperatures here. If you're use to it it's not a big deal at all. But if you're not from here....ahhhhh

[criticalunity]

So, same question, same answers i suppose, i havn't had time to catch up on what's going on in eastern canada yet... (where I'm from, I just moved to the UK cause i fell in love, but it went terribly wrong, WAY too long of a sad story you don't wanna hear)...

Cops are nice here. They don't beat on you if you dress and act normal.

Ha Ha... So  if i go around acting weird and wearing weird stuff or something the cops will beat me? I'm eccentric, and hasn't happened in my experiences Then again, I'm not black. I remember there being a racial thing as with most places, in this manipulated, conditioned world.

[Donovan]

Speaking from someone who is in Canada, which may be slightly biased, I say choose Canada over UK.

I have a lot friends in the UK that want to get the hell out of there. 

Canada on the outside seems like a politically correct, overly controlled, experimental type of society, but it isnt as it seems.  While people might scoff or ridicule at crazy conspiracy ideas or other such topics when out in public, when they go home and are amongst friends, that all changes.  I havent met a single person that didnt believe something that was talked about on this forum.

While the ones in the US or UK might be more vocal about things, I think there are more Canadians that believe and know certain things .. they just keep their mouths shut.


Regarding the weather, depending on where you live, it can either be tolerable or shit.  Never expect the weather that it should be for that season. If its winter you can expect many days that are warm, rainy, or seem like summer/spring or cold like being in a freezer, and if its summer expect days that can be cold, miserable with a chance of snow, and it could be hot and humid like a jungle the next day.

Employment, well its just as bad as the US. Some places are much worse than others.  Alberta is weathering the storm pretty well.  Larger cities elsewhere suffer more than smaller ones in terms of unemployment.

Overall, the people arent that much different than the they are in US. They are different in certain aspects, but some just dont notice it or pay attention to it.