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There is no doubt that OWS is an NWO operation to insight insurrections based on the most frivolous of issues exagerated to shiocking extremes. There is 24/7 news coverage, there are stand down orders for police to allow them even if they cause disruptions to local businesses. There are one hour interviews on local radio stations (like an infomercial) where no concrete plans are discussed but passion and pleas using emotional talking points are repeated. Over 90% of the American people are being subjected to austerity based on UN's Agenda 21 where productivity must go down. But no one is discussing that. No one is discussing the $16 Trillion stolen by the banksters.

And now, as if we needed any more evidence that OWS is a project to divert anger at the Private Federal Reserve, Here is this amazing thread:


To the Ron Paul supporters
http://occupywallst.org/forum/to-the-ron-paul-supporters/
Posted Oct. 16, 2011, 4:40 a.m. EST (27 minutes ago) by Benny14

I see alot of Ron Paul supporters trying to tell OWS that Ron Paul is a good guy.

The fact of the matter is Ron Paul is as corrupt as Obama as most of the other republicans and democrats they are all taking bribes from big corporations and special interest groups

Ron Paul has raised over 5mil dollars for his campaign. Here are the facts

legend PAC contributions $36,017 (1%) legend Individual contributions $1,445,869 (29%) legend Candidate self-financing $0 (0%) legend Other $3,532,397 (70%)

Notice "other" no one knows where those money are coming from.

List of bribes from corporations there is known:

Computers/Internet $818,835 Health Professionals $630,491 Real Estate $414,129 Misc Business $382,221 Education $345,256 Misc Finance $338,965 Republican/Conservative $320,132 Business Services $316,244 Securities & Investment $313,860 Other $301,316 Lawyers/Law Firms $279,539 Civil Servants/Public Officials $221,165 Construction Services $199,343 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $152,568 General Contractors $135,276 TV/Movies/Music $134,616 Printing & Publishing $131,310 Oil & Gas $127,632 Special Trade Contractors $118,310

There is you proof Ron Paul is as corrupt as every other politicians. May they be democrats,republicans, socialist or conservative

Do you really think Ron Paul is going to do any legislation to help the little guy down the street working 2 jobs but can barely get by?

Yup, re-elect Obama and combine the constiution with a New World Order charter...that makes much more sense than exposing the Private Federal Reserve... Is this shit for real, are people really falling for this?
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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul (ok Now I'm done editing.)
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2011, 05:37:00 AM »
Is this shit for real, are people really falling for this?

I would think that only the completely uninformed would fall for this without any hesitation to initially/immediately be skeptical of it.

Teenager / early 20's types.

If it was Fox News saying it, then they would be more skeptical, but if it's some guy on the OccupyWallStreet forum saying it, they would automatically assume that there is some sort of substance to it, because the "MainStream" news, government etc has no credibility.


Unfortunately, the people who are new to the OccupyWallStreet movement also may not even know that Ron Paul existed until this guy on the forum mentioned him.

Although stuff like what I have just described above can apply to all sorts of things including even knowing that that the infowars.com website even exists.



Certain people who are extremely new to this entire movement in general have no idea or clue what so ever that anyone working for the military or some government agency etc would go onto that forum and say such things.

If they are first introduced to Ron Paul's very existence via a bad "First Impression," the effects may be irreversible.

(If not irreversible, then I'd say about 3 or 4 times harder to convince them that Ron Paul 'really was the good guy afterall')


They are surely working very hard to "get to them" first before we do.



That reminds me... Remember this?

Link originally provided by PP Member HighSea

US plans to 'fight the net' revealed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4655196.stm
By Adam Brookes  BBC Pentagon correspondent



The wide-reaching document was signed off by Donald Rumsfeld

A newly declassified document gives a fascinating glimpse into the US military's plans for "information operations" - from psychological operations, to attacks on hostile computer networks. Bloggers beware. As the world turns networked, the Pentagon is calculating the military opportunities that computer networks, wireless technologies and the modern media offer. From influencing public opinion through new media to designing "computer network attack" weapons, the US military is learning to fight an electronic war. The declassified document is called "Information Operations Roadmap". It was obtained by the National Security Archive at George Washington University using the Freedom of Information Act. Officials in the Pentagon wrote it in 2003. The Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, signed it. The "roadmap" calls for a far-reaching overhaul of the military's ability to conduct information operations and electronic warfare. And, in some detail, it makes recommendations for how the US armed forces should think about this new, virtual warfare. The document says that information is "critical to military success". Computer and telecommunications networks are of vital operational importance.

Propaganda
The operations described in the document include a surprising range of military activities: public affairs officers who brief journalists, psychological operations troops who try to manipulate the thoughts and beliefs of an enemy, computer network attack specialists who seek to destroy enemy networks. All these are engaged in information operations. Perhaps the most startling aspect of the roadmap is its acknowledgement that information put out as part of the military's psychological operations, or Psyops, is finding its way onto the computer and television screens of ordinary Americans. "Information intended for foreign audiences, including public diplomacy and Psyops, is increasingly consumed by our domestic audience," it reads. "Psyops messages will often be replayed by the news media for much larger audiences, including the American public," it goes on. The document's authors acknowledge that American news media should not unwittingly broadcast military propaganda. "Specific boundaries should be established," they write. But they don't seem to explain how. "In this day and age it is impossible to prevent stories that are fed abroad as part of psychological operations propaganda from blowing back into the United States - even though they were directed abroad," says Kristin Adair of the National Security Archive.

Credibility problem
Public awareness of the US military's information operations is low, but it's growing - thanks to some operational clumsiness. When it describes plans for electronic warfare, or EW, the document takes on an extraordinary tone. It seems to see the internet as being equivalent to an enemy weapons system. Late last year, it emerged that the Pentagon had paid a private company, the Lincoln Group, to plant hundreds of stories in Iraqi newspapers. The stories - all supportive of US policy - were written by military personnel and then placed in Iraqi publications. And websites that appeared to be information sites on the politics of Africa and the Balkans were found to be run by the Pentagon. But the true extent of the Pentagon's information operations, how they work, who they're aimed at, and at what point they turn from informing the public to influencing populations, is far from clear. The roadmap, however, gives a flavour of what the US military is up to - and the grand scale on which it's thinking. It reveals that Psyops personnel "support" the American government's international broadcasting. It singles out TV Marti - a station which broadcasts to Cuba - as receiving such support. It recommends that a global website be established that supports America's strategic objectives. But no American diplomats here, thank you. The website would use content from "third parties with greater credibility to foreign audiences than US officials". It also recommends that Psyops personnel should consider a range of technologies to disseminate propaganda in enemy territory: unmanned aerial vehicles, "miniaturized, scatterable public address systems", wireless devices, cellular phones and the internet.

'Fight the net'
When it describes plans for electronic warfare, or EW, the document takes on an extraordinary tone. It seems to see the internet as being equivalent to an enemy weapons system. "Strategy should be based on the premise that the Department [of Defense] will 'fight the net' as it would an enemy weapons system," it reads. The slogan "fight the net" appears several times throughout the roadmap. The authors warn that US networks are very vulnerable to attack by hackers, enemies seeking to disable them, or spies looking for intelligence. "Networks are growing faster than we can defend them... Attack sophistication is increasing... Number of events is increasing."

US digital ambition
And, in a grand finale, the document recommends that the United States should seek the ability to "provide maximum control of the entire electromagnetic spectrum". US forces should be able to "disrupt or destroy the full spectrum of globally emerging communications systems, sensors, and weapons systems dependent on the electromagnetic spectrum". Consider that for a moment. The US military seeks the capability to knock out every telephone, every networked computer, every radar system on the planet. Are these plans the pipe dreams of self-aggrandising bureaucrats? Or are they real? The fact that the "Information Operations Roadmap" is approved by the Secretary of Defense suggests that these plans are taken very seriously indeed in the Pentagon. And that the scale and grandeur of the digital revolution is matched only by the US military's ambitions for it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/27_01_06_psyops.pdf




I'm extremely sure that information such as what I just brought up above is only the tip of the iceberg.



If this is public, then I can only imagine what is classified, secret, top secret, or even higher.

The gigantic psy. op that is taking place with OccupyWallStreet is pretty obvious, when it comes to how they want the Federal Reserve and Ron Paul out of the picture.

Out of sight, out of mind.

They seriously and obviously want the least number of people possible to even be allowed to know that Ron Paul exists. Because once they know, they will inevitably find out the rest of the information on why it is all so important.

The only potential problem is how fast they find out, so this is why they want to stall everyone as long as possible.


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Obviously, it turns out that's not the only thread going up against Ron Paul, but I only realized this after I made that post above.

Ron Paul threads:


Highlights:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/ralph-nader-and-ron-paul-on-judge-napolitanos-show/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/does-ows-support-ron-paul/#comment-70535

http://occupywallst.org/forum/is-end-the-fed-code-word-for-vote-ron-paul/#comment-89213

http://occupywallst.org/forum/why-doesnt-the-ows-supporters-unite-all-this-negat/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/shut-up-about-ron-paul/#comment-82362

http://occupywallst.org/forum/to-all-the-tea-partiers-libertarians-1ers-and-ever/#comment-100601

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-finally-realize-why-you-all-are-protesting-you-a/#comment-102855

If you're just coming in here to hijack this movement and aren't really interested in getting the corporations out of politics - Get. Out. We're not going to let ourselves be hijacked by some stupid out of touch politician.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-finally-realize-why-you-all-are-protesting-you-a/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-finally-realize-why-you-all-are-protesting-you-a/#comment-102472

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-finally-realize-why-you-all-are-protesting-you-a/#comment-102558

http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-finally-realize-why-you-all-are-protesting-you-a/#comment-102545

To Cainites - You are CLEARLY against everything that OWS stands for. Why are you even here? Name ONE thing that you agree with OWS on. Is it to end corporate personhood? Is it to end kickbacks and revolving door? Or are you just here for your big fat smackdown against the Paulites?

Now...this -is- an open-source and democratic forum. However - CLEARLY two sides are CLEARLY un-democratic here.

Do you need some ground rules? Do I need to publicly call you out like this? FINE!

Rule 1 - Take the partisan, candidate licking, shit flinging, misinformed, divisive and unproductive dick measuring contest to freerepublic or fox forums.

Rule 2 - OWS is -not- a recruitment center for potential voters. Especially not for the type of policies that -YOU- enforce. GTFO.

Rule 3 - This place is about GETTING THE CORRUPTION OUT OF POLITICS. This place is NOOOOT about getting Cain or Paul or Obama or Romney or whomever elected.

Rule 4 - Please, please, please, please, PLEASE keep the anti-Semitism and the "End the FED!" bullshit off OWS. A lot of people in OWS suffer from a lack of critical thinking and the ability to effectively use Google to trump your bullshit.


http://occupywallst.org/forum/for-all-those-advocating-to-end-the-federal-reserv/

http://occupywallst.org/forum/remember-the-progressive-origins-of-the-federal-re/

Please stop saying that OWS is about ending the FED or ushering in a new age of Libertarianism or Neo-Nazism. Cause that ain't it kk? Good. -pats on head-

All you shills trying to use OWS for your purposes...to all you shills who do not take OWS seriously...to all you shills who only see OWS as a RESOURCE to be used...my response is this:


http://occupywallst.org/forum/i-finally-realize-why-you-all-are-protesting-you-a/#comment-102902

Also - f**k Neo Nazism. We don't need that crap in OWS.



I'm sick and tired of seeing these guys infiltrate OWS. You can be a part of us, but we definitely don't want Ron Paul as a leader.

^This was my previous post. I feel though that I should perhaps explain myself more, as it came out the wrong way. I let my anger get out of control, and I posted this inherently divisive title without thinking about it Here is what I really should have said :

Its time that they understand that our movement isn't about a candidate for election. It's about the 99% vs the corporate taint on our political system. I just wish they wouldn't use our forum for campaign recruitment. Perhaps I was a bit harsh (in one of my earlier posts), but you should see what's going on on all the forum posts. Almost every single post is plagued with Ron Paul supporters talking about completely different topics. They just look at a post with lots of views, then copy/paste their statements into the thread and head on to the next one. It completely hijacks the conversation and prevents people and the OP from talking about the original topic.

Please understand, I'm not making a judgement of Ron Paul's character of fitness to be president. I just want to make sure that people respect each other's right to post without fear of being co-opted.



Tea-Partiers, Libertarians, Ron Paul advocates - What are you doing?!? DEALING WITH THE FRINGE LEFT The conservative media is giving a slanted picture of the movement. Yes, liberal groups (such as unions) have endorsed us. That doesn't mean we endorse them. We are an inclusive movement. We wish to include as many Americans in the 99% as are willing to join us. Yes, many people at the occupations are young, unemployed, and hold fringe ideologies. Keep in mind that many of us do have jobs and we are at work and cannot stay at the protests. This makes it look like the movement is entirely a liberal one when it is not. We are striving to include everyone we can, regardless if they are conservative or liberal. The more people that join us, the closer we represent the United States melting pot. You might get frustrated by some of the fringe ideas being tossed around or by insults some liberals throw at you. We all need to take the high ground. Do not respond in kind. Demand respect and dignity by acting in a way that deserves it. Remember, when HBGary was hacked, it was found that the government was developing software to turn social media into weapons. For example, software that would allow people to operate sock puppets and post comments on boards like this one or other ones. How do we know that software is not being used by other groups whose interests go against cleaning up corruption? In other words, when you see threads that are insulting or are flame-baiting... ignore them!
Also keep in mind that people/journalists come to the site and see intelligent threads without any replies, while insult threads are filled with hundreds of responses. It makes us all look like arguing children. If someone insults you, do not insult them back. If you feel you must reply in anger, chastise them for causing dissension and hindering the movement. Otherwise, kill them with kindness. Remind them that you are here because you want to make the world a better place and it can only happen if we all work together. Ask them why they're not helping more. DEMANDS I want you to think about when the liberals try to push their beliefs down your throat. I doubt it's pleasant. Now keep in mind that about 50% of this country are liberal and most are too entrenched in their beliefs to easily change. When you attempt to push your agenda onto them or insult their ideas, all you end up doing is cause hostility and encourage division between us and them. This movement isn't about you pushing your ideology and agenda on the rest of America them doing the same to you. That won't succeed. We need to concentrate on a platform/agenda that 99% of Americans will support, this necessitates that it would have to be embraced by liberals too. There are not many things we can all agree on, so we need to stick to the few things we do. We need to send a clear message that this movement is about eliminating corruption in government and keeping it gone. Keep the agenda towards cleaning up the corruption. Focus on that. Bring in people rather than push them away. If your suggestion would not be immediately embraced by the vast majority of Americans, drop it for now. We have enough on our plate without being sidelined by personal agendas.

WHAT YOU NEED TO DO! We need you. We need your friends and family. BADLY. Right now, there are more liberals than conservatives in the movement. The mainstream media is demonizing the movement with myths about how it's all lazy hippies looking for handouts and turning this into a socialist/communist country. We need more of you to prove them wrong and to balance the scales. Please talk to people you know and encourage them to get involved. We have endorsements from Unions and liberal celebrities. We need an endorsement from conservative groups (even the Tea Party if that would be possible). We need to be as inclusive as we can. We need both liberals and conservatives, because without the other side we will be disregarded and dismissed. In order to be inclusive, we need to stop insulting those who have different ideologies than us. When people try and pick fights, we need to take the high road and point to the goal 99% of us want to accomplish. TAKE THE HIGH ROAD. STICK TO THE PRIMARY MESSAGE. DON'T GET SIDE-TRACKED.


Federal Reserve:


Highlights:

Here’s an interesting point of agreement between the Tea Party and the Occupy movement – both sides want to end the Fed. The left hates banks and the right hates government intervention, but neither side can present a realistic alternative. Returning to the gold standard is a fantasy. As long as we have a fiat currency, we need a central bank to manage it. England has one, and so do China and Europe.

The Fed’s only job is to manage the money supply, with attention to exchange rates, inflation, and unemployment. That’s difficult enough. History will show that Chairman Bernanke averted a depression through correct application of quantitative easing. Now he is forcing banks to lend, and reducing mortgage rates. This is good monetary policy. The problems have come from fiscal policy, for which Congress is responsible.

The movement’s main concern is that moneyed interests have corrupted our leaders in Washington. That seems like a pretty good argument for keeping the Fed independent, and free from political interference.


...please read these links.

Supervision and Regulation - (also covers Acquisitions and Mergers)

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pf/pdf/pf_5.pdf

Consumer and Community Affairs - (See - Consumer Protection)

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pf/pdf/pf_6.pdf

The Federal Reserve in the US Payments System - (See - Financial and Fiscal Agency Serices)

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pf/pdf/pf_7.pdf

Wen need to TAKE BACK the FED not abolish it. Abolishing it would be as stupid as blaming government rather than Wall St.

Wall St = The Shooter

Govt and FED = The gun

Buttf**k Policies and corruption = The Bullet

Get it right guys!




What can we do about all this ? Fortunately, there's a way to fix the problem fairly easily speadily and with out causing any serious financial problems. We can get our country totaly out of debit in 1-2 years by simply paying off these U.S. bonds with debt free U.S. notes . . . just like president Lincoln issued . . . of course that by itself would create tremendous inflation since our currency is presently multiplied by the fractional reserve banking system . . . but here is the ingenious soultion advanced in part by Milton Friedman to keep the money supply stable and avoid inflation and deflation while the debt is retired.

As the treasury buys up its bonds on the open market with U.S. notes, the reserve requirements of your hometown local bank will be proportionally raised . . . so that the amount of money in circulation remains constant . . . as those holding bonds are paid off in U.S. notes, they will deposit this money, thus making available the currency then needed by the banks to increase their reserves. Once all the U.S. bonds are replaced with U.S. notes . . . banks will be at 100% reserve banking instead of the fractional reserve system currently in use.

From this point on the former Fed buildings will only be needed as a central clearing house for checks, and as vaults for U.S. notes . . . The Federal Reserve Act wil no longer be necessary and could be repealed . . . monetary power could be transfered back to the treasury dept . . . there would no further creation or contraction of money by banks.

By doing it this way, our national debt coud be paid off in a single year or so. The Fed and fractional reserve banking would be abolished, with out national banakruptcy, financial collapse, inflation or deflation or any significant change in the way the average American goes about his busnises. To the average person . . . the primary difference would be . . . that for the first time since the Federal Reserve Act was passed in 1913 . . . taxes would begin to go down.




Professor Richard Wolff spoke at OWS. Here's from his website where he says the Fed is NOT the problem:

Is the federal reserve the real source of power/control in a society of capitalism?

To be clear, I think the FED and how it works is definitely a part of the problem - that is, part of the economic system that imploded in 2007-2008 and whose immensely costly social effects are now hurting millions of our fellow citizens. After all, how could it be otherwise? The FED is the central bank of the US, our equivalent of the Bank of England, the bank of France, etc. in other countries. Its job is to serve and also coordinate and protect the banking system in the US (overwhelmingly private) as well as to execute monetary policy aimed chiefly at price stability and secondarily at countering business cycles. The FED therefore manages the supply of money in the system and manipulates certain important interest rates as well.

However, the determination of what the FED does, how, when, and with whom, flows from the larger economic context. It is the capitalist economic system the set of interacting private enterprises, markets, instabilities (business cycles), and contradictions (tensions between employers and employees, between competitive and monopolized industries, small and big businesses, and so on) that shapes FED actions. I do not think it is the essential cause of what happens in that larger context. I do not think anything is such an essential cause. I refer to the present economic crisis as systemic precisely to underscore that it is the system and not one part of it that is our problem to solve by transforming it.

The FED was established early in the 20th century because of the instabilities of the private banking system - in those days they were called, appropriately enough, "bank panics." Many people then thought they could manage capitalism's costly business cycles not by changing the system but by a banking reform, establishing a central bank called the Federal Reserve System. As usually happens with reforms, the system bent the reform institution to its ways rather than the other way round. The FED has been no more effective in preventing business cycles than the system before. In other words, these cycles are a problem of the economic system - capitalism - as a whole. They are not solvable by this or that change of this or that part of the system. Getting rid of the FED will no more solve the problem of cycles than establishing the FED did.

Of course, various groups will try to capture the FED (as they do with other governmental or quasi-governmental institutions) to make them serve particular interests. They may sometimes succeed, but that too does not address or solve the bug issues, the systematic issues of a system like ours. So my focus is always to address the systemic roots of our economic and social crises and on that basis to propose systemic changes or transformations as the only realistic responses given the failures to date of the non-systematic reforms focused on establishing or disestablishing this or that institution within the system.

http://rdwolff.com/content/federal-reserve-real-source-powercontrol-society-capitalism




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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2011, 02:38:59 PM »

And now, as if we needed any more evidence that OWS is a project to divert anger at the Private Federal Reserve, Here is this amazing thread:


To the Ron Paul supporters
http://occupywallst.org/forum/to-the-ron-paul-supporters/
Posted Oct. 16, 2011, 4:40 a.m. EST (27 minutes ago) by Benny14

I see alot of Ron Paul supporters trying to tell OWS that Ron Paul is a good guy.

The fact of the matter is Ron Paul is as corrupt as Obama as most of the other republicans and democrats they are all taking bribes from big corporations and special interest groups

Ron Paul has raised over 5mil dollars for his campaign. Here are the facts

legend PAC contributions $36,017 (1%) legend Individual contributions $1,445,869 (29%) legend Candidate self-financing $0 (0%) legend Other $3,532,397 (70%)

Notice "other" no one knows where those money are coming from.

List of bribes from corporations there is known:

Computers/Internet $818,835 Health Professionals $630,491 Real Estate $414,129 Misc Business $382,221 Education $345,256 Misc Finance $338,965 Republican/Conservative $320,132 Business Services $316,244 Securities & Investment $313,860 Other $301,316 Lawyers/Law Firms $279,539 Civil Servants/Public Officials $221,165 Construction Services $199,343 Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $152,568 General Contractors $135,276 TV/Movies/Music $134,616 Printing & Publishing $131,310 Oil & Gas $127,632 Special Trade Contractors $118,310

There is you proof Ron Paul is as corrupt as every other politicians. May they be democrats,republicans, socialist or conservative

Do you really think Ron Paul is going to do any legislation to help the little guy down the street working 2 jobs but can barely get by?

Yup, re-elect Obama and combine the constiution with a New World Order charter...that makes much more sense than exposing the Private Federal Reserve... Is this shit for real, are people really falling for this?


Where do these people get their information from. There's more shiat flowing there then through the New York City sewer. From open secrets...

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cycle=2012&type=I&cid=N00005906&newMem=N


Individual Contributions                                                 $12,199,857     (95%)
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PAC Contributions                                                                       $0      (0%)

Candidate self-financing                                                              $0      (0%)

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Re: OWS latest thread against ending the Federal Reserve (Another thread)
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2011, 06:27:17 PM »
Federal Reserve:

End-the-Fed and all that Jazz


Highlights: (probably more to come in future)

It seems #OccupyWallStreet is attracting many end-the-fed, impeach-obama, less-govt-everywhere type of crowd.

Here is a video of one of them going on a rant: http://youtu.be/rQow0Fhua1A

Some of the those at #OccupyAtlanta even orchestrated an end-the-fed march yesterday.

One of them at #OccupyAtlanta told me that the Occupy Wall Street movement was started by the same elements that started the Tea Party.

Sure, these people may have similar grievances against the bailouts. But they are also against government spending on a jobs program or taxing those making over $250k/year. Not to mention their aversion to ANY kind of government spending and regulation.

This is bad news.

This is NOT what #OccupyWallStreet and #OccupyAtlanta are about.

Sure, there may be some common grievances related to bank bailouts. But the occupiers also want

    * MORE government regulation of the financial industry,
    * MORE taxation of the rich, say, those with incomes of more than $250k/year (and btw, most small business make that much only in their dreams),
    * MORE government regulation to protect the environment,
    * MORE government spending to create jobs (a la the “Works Public Administration” courtesy of Roosevelt), and
    * MORE government intervention to provide healthcare for all.

Unfortunately, these end-the-fed folks also wear the loudest T-shirts, and one also got interviewed by CNN.

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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2011, 07:02:21 PM »
Here was my response:

Have you seen Ron Paul's agenda if he becomes our next President?

He is willing to cut a trillion dollars right off the bat his first 100 days as President. 

http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2011/10/14/exclusive-ron-pauls-agenda-to-include-eliminating-cabinet-secretaries-and.aspx

You say all President Campaigners make promises then once in office renege...go look at Ron Paul's record, he is true to his word.  How many Presidents would say they would take a salary of $39,336?  Quick answer: NONE!

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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2011, 08:03:29 PM »
Holy Crap SUPREMEMASTER, you have solved the Rubik's Cube of OWS...

Federal Reserve:

End-the-Fed and all that Jazz


Highlights: (probably more to come in future)

It seems #OccupyWallStreet is attracting many end-the-fed, impeach-obama, less-govt-everywhere type of crowd.

Here is a video of one of them going on a rant: http://youtu.be/rQow0Fhua1A

Some of the those at #OccupyAtlanta even orchestrated an end-the-fed march yesterday.

One of them at #OccupyAtlanta told me that the Occupy Wall Street movement was started by the same elements that started the Tea Party.

Sure, these people may have similar grievances against the bailouts. But they are also against government spending on a jobs program or taxing those making over $250k/year. Not to mention their aversion to ANY kind of government spending and regulation.

This is bad news.

This is NOT what #OccupyWallStreet and #OccupyAtlanta are about.

Sure, there may be some common grievances related to bank bailouts. But the occupiers also want

    * MORE government regulation of the financial industry,
    * MORE taxation of the rich, say, those with incomes of more than $250k/year (and btw, most small business make that much only in their dreams),
    * MORE government regulation to protect the environment,
    * MORE government spending to create jobs (a la the “Works Public Administration” courtesy of Roosevelt), and
    * MORE government intervention to provide healthcare for all.

Unfortunately, these end-the-fed folks also wear the loudest T-shirts, and one also got interviewed by CNN.

BE CAREFUL!

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But they are also against government spending on a jobs program

OWS is admitting that the goal of these orchestrated and cult like fake protests are to PUSH FOR AN UNPOPULAR AND ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL BILL THAT CORPORATE OWNED OBAMA WROTE. All of the stimulus' since 2008 have gone to the elite banksters and insurance companies controlled by the Private Federal Reserve. Now that the American people have caught on to the scam, these fake protests (which involve thousands of uninformed and cybernetically motivated and Cass Sunstein 'nudged' participants) are meant to continue the Private Federal Reserve's trashing of the US Constitution with unpopular and unlawful legislation. The corporatists have been stealing over $23 Trillion from the American people through this scam involving the Private Federal Reserve's power over congress. Now that the largest corporation on the planet is being audited by the constitutionally protected legislative branch of the United States Constitutional Republic...this massive (and I mean massive) Eurocratic bankster controlled movement is occuring to deny the self determination of the American people. And in case you were not aware, the Private Federal Reserve IS the largest corporation on the planet. No other corporation has the power to do over $16 Trillion of businees in 12 months without any regulation whatsoever or any reporting to the American people whatsoever).

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or taxing those making over $250k/year.

OWS is admitting that the goal of these orchestrated and cult like fake protests are to PUSH FOR AN UNPOPULAR AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE ADDITIONAL UNCONSTITUTIONAL TAX ON THE MIDDLE CLASS OF AMERICA. This will cut off revenue and will drive up inflation. The higher the tax rate, the less revenue and the less ability to ever get out of debt. The lower the tax rate, the higher the tax revenue and the certainty of ending the debt. Also, what did people making $250K a year do to deserve an additional tax on their income? The Private Federal Reserve actually stole over $16 Trillion from the American people to target mostly the poor and lower income middle class through the inflation tax. Now that people are waking up to this and Congress is investigating this theft, OWS is set up to thwart legitimate outrage and legitimage passionate protesting against this corporation which stole everything.

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Not to mention their aversion to ANY kind of government spending and regulation.

OWS is admitting that the goal of these orchestrated and cult like fake protests are to PUSH FOR AN UNPOPULAR AND COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE, UNCONSTITUTIONAL REGULATIONS which destroy civil liberties for all American citizens. It is a bizarre and irrational argument, the corporate control of congress got us into the mess, so OWS is pushing for the corporate control over unpopular legislation to have more power? How does any of it make sense? And End the Fed people are for much more government regulation. Most importatantly is the reinstatement of the Glass–Steagall Act  of 1932. Also just as important is the full and regular audit of the Private Federal Reserve Corporation. Also there needs to be regulation over government spending on psychological operations and massive deceptions like WMD's, Libyan invasion without congressional approval, UAV's, government sponsored false flag terrorism including cyberterrorism. The lack of regulation over the most powerful corporations controlling the United States needs to be addressed. We are developing a neo-feudalistic society and, now that congress has been forced to show some backbone, the latest deception in mass psyops by globalist intelligence operatives provide us with OWS.

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This is NOT what #OccupyWallStreet and #OccupyAtlanta are about.

Sure, there may be some common grievances related to bank bailouts. But the occupiers also want

    * MORE government regulation of the financial industry,

But no regulation of the largest controller of the finance industry, the Private Federal Reserve Corporation? How does this make sense? How can OWS say they are for more regulation over financial institutions and then distance themselves with protestors exposing the Private Federal Reserve's theft of over $16 Trillion?

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   * MORE taxation of the rich, say, those with incomes of more than $250k/year (and btw, most small business make that much only in their dreams),

How is it that OWS (a spontaneous and organic movement...sure) happens to pull a number out of their ass that is identical to the number that puppet Obama and his corporatist controllers have targeted for what defines rich? And how does that help in any way to get rid of the oppression that the Private Federal Reserve has inflicted on all Americans?

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   * MORE government regulation to protect the environment,

This is amazing, carbon taxes so that Gore can buy another airplane or so that Lord Rothschild can fund another African genocide? Is this for real? What about allowing the states to pursue fraud and damages cases against environmental polluters. You know, like General Electric? But no one is allowed to mention General Electric who paid no taxes and got a $3 Billion corporate welfare check by the Private Federal Reserve Corporation for helping to steal more from the lower and middle classes. And the CEO of General Electric wrote the jobs bill that OWS is telling congress they must pass or there will be blood in the streets. You cannot make this shit up.

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   * MORE government spending to create jobs (a la the “Works Public Administration” courtesy of Roosevelt), and

There ain't gonna be any such thing. Look at Obama's jobs czar, as mentioned, it is the CEO of General Electric. The jobs creation program is a program to create jobs overseas by stripping them from Americans. General Electric has proven this, look it up. OWS is demanding that more taxes be incurred to pay for jobs programs that strip jobs from America and transplant them overseas. How is this not an obvious scam by globalist elite controllers?

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   * MORE government intervention to provide healthcare for all.

The healthcare fraud has been exposed such that even Sebilius has admitted that there is no way to implement a national healthcare system without exteminating a percentage of the population. This is why a free market system for healthcare is the only way to do healthcare. There are those that argue that it is immoral to let people die...WE AGREE! IT IS IMMORAL! But how is that immorality of letting people die solved by creating a nationally mandated sytem which actually kills more people and lets more of them die. Anyone who is saying there is a moral duty and that random people cannot be trusted to carry on this moral responsibility needs to ask themselves how putting the decision in the hands of fewer of these possibly immoral humans located at a globalist banksters star chamber meeting will solve this moral dilemma. Cost go down when there is more freedom by the individual, ultimately this is a question of whether we trust humanity in general and the rights of man or if we trust a secret cabal of very few that have spent their lives stepping over others to get ahead. I rather trust humanity and the rights of man.

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Unfortunately, these end-the-fed folks also wear the loudest T-shirts, and one also got interviewed by CNN.

BE CAREFUL!

They are admitting a hole in the matrix of deceit. God bless those confronting these Agents of the Royal Crown, on Her Majesty's Secret Service, who are controlling this operation. God bless all of you for handing out CDs of The Money Masters, Secret of Oz, American Dream, Mad as Hell, Freedom to Fascism, and all of the AJ movies. God bless you for defending the constitutional republic in the face of this overtly obvious globalist corporatist bankster plot to sabotage all the work that Ron Paul and others have done to finally audit (and this expose) the unconstitutionality and criminality of the Private Federal Reserve Corporation!
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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2011, 08:26:32 PM »
the source is district 14, not the presidential campaign

http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary.php?id=TX14&cycle=2008

OMG they selected the worst year, 2008

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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2011, 08:33:48 PM »
The other (3.5 million) was transferred from his 2008 presidential campaign. This list that you claim are corporations are in fact the employers of individual contributors. Please face the facts.

"The majority of "Other" is transferred from his 2008 Presidential campaign: RON PAUL 2008 PCC CLUTE TX 77531 06/24/2008 $3,500,000:

You can see the transfer for that exact $3.5m: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00005906

And here's where the money came from: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00005906

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00005906

Individual contributions $34,336,169 99% "

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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2011, 09:59:47 PM »
the source is district 14, not the presidential campaign

http://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary.php?id=TX14&cycle=2008

OMG they selected the worst year, 2008

The worst year heh, and for Congress no less. And then he goes on to say the 3 million is unknown and then goes on to list where the 3 million came from, so which is it?

I am also posting what you wrote, thx.
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Re: OWS latest thread is about Ron Paul
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2011, 10:03:19 PM »
Here's what "We Are the 99%" seems to be about:
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

They really have no direction.  I don't know why they would not consider Occupy to be a political movement & politics are "not allowed."  It is all about politics and government.  Are they really that dumbed-down, fluoride stupid?  Are they really expecting the 1% to simply divy up dollars and we'll all be even or something?

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