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« on: October 01, 2011, 05:55:21 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2011, 06:20:18 AM »

yes it does, not only that but the Lord uses it as a punishment.  Roll Eyes gandalf..  Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2011, 07:47:54 AM »

good work on your presentation but i think you are trying to pencil whip it just a bit to make it seem like homo sex is ok.

gods law is for man and women to be fruitful and multiply. ONLY a man and woman may do so which means homo sex goes against the grain of gods law. sin by definition is going its gods law therefore rendering homosexuality condemned.

common sense will tell you as defined by nature that two peckers buttin' heads just doesnt make sense. you have to plug a chord into a receptacle to get electricity, thats just how it works.

i personally couldnt give a rats rectum if two men love each other as platonic and agape love are god defined emotions. however when porking get involved you are talking a whole new meaning.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2011, 11:33:57 AM »

You said hatred is not in God's vocabulary, you are wrong Sir.

Mal 1:2  I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
Mal 1:3  And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.


Rom 9:13  As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


Sorry, wasn't able to make it through the whole thing yet but I had to respond to this first.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2011, 11:58:36 AM »

Oh He certainly does.

Romans 1
 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.



Jesus Christ will forgive them if they ask for forgiveness.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2011, 02:11:18 PM »

Hate is not an accurate Translation of either of those words.  Hate as we sue it in English is far harsher then what either of those Greek or Hebrew words implied.

I see no one is addressing my actual points, I was honestly expecting at least someone to support me here.
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2011, 09:37:27 PM »

Hate is not an accurate Translation of either of those words.  Hate as we sue it in English is far harsher then what either of those Greek or Hebrew words implied.

I see no one is addressing my actual points, I was honestly expecting at least someone to support me here.

Did you bother to read the passage decemberfellow posted above? Let's stay on topic, please...
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2011, 09:56:40 PM »

He just repeating a Passage I already addressed, without addressing anything I addressed about it.  Just Blind echoing of the casual first readings of the Bible exactly what I"m trying to advise against.

I started this thread, so I think I know what is or isn't on Topic within it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2011, 10:44:58 PM »

This looks to be yet another of those threads where the established historic-biblical view, or preponderant consensus of conservative bible scholars is going to be dismissed as 'false doctrine' and blamed on whomever. Just been through one of those (on the trinity), and it ain't pretty. If God's destruction of a whole city based on its sexual sin is not enough evidence for some people, nothing will be.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2011, 10:48:57 PM »

That's nto why Sodom or Gomorrah was destroyed, and one believed it was until very recently.

This False interpretation is part of the New World Order's Divide and Conqueror strategy.
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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2011, 11:21:50 PM »

That's nto why Sodom or Gomorrah was destroyed, and one believed it was until very recently.

This False interpretation is part of the New World Order's Divide and Conqueror strategy.

Yeah you keep telling yourself that as you study human anatomy and see how it is meant to fit together.  The worship of false gods is likened to adultery and perversion and God gives them over to their unnatural lusts for their unnatural joining (the two will become one) of themselves with anything outside of Him.  Then compare to the natural which is to worship the Creator through His son Jesus Christ and join unto Him to become one.  It is who or what you join yourself with either spiritually or physically that either condemns you or pardons you. 
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2011, 12:04:54 AM »

Sex is not solely for Reproduction.

Pagan have Perverted Heterosexual intercourse as well.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2011, 12:59:51 AM »

Ok you've got me interested by stating
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That's nto why Sodom or Gomorrah was destroyed, and one believed it was until very recently.

This False interpretation is part of the New World Order's Divide and Conqueror strategy.

It was always my understanding that this was the reason.  These boards are supposed to be informative so please by all means give a full account of why Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed along with your sources.
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2011, 01:05:03 AM »

It's one of the first addressed in my Blog.  More specific sources form others I can try to find, give me time.
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2011, 02:01:00 AM »

Jasher Chapter 19
1. And the cities of Sodom had four judges to four cities, and these were their names,
Serak in the city of Sodom, Sharkad in Gomorrah, Zabnac in Admah, and Menon in
Zeboyim.
2. And Eliezer Abraham's servant applied to them different names, and he converted Serak
to Shakra, Sharkad to Shakrura, Zebnac to Kezobim, and Menon to Matzlodin.
3. And by desire of their four judges the people of Sodom and Gomorrah had beds erected
in the streets of the cities, and if a man came to these places they laid hold of him and
brought him to one of their beds, and by force made him to lie in them.
4. And as he lay down, three men would stand at his head and three at his feet, and
measure him by the length of the bed, and if the man was less than the bed these six
men would stretch him at each end, and when he cried out to them they would not
answer him.
5. And if he was longer than the bed they would draw together the two sides of the bed at
each end, until the man had reached the gates of death.
6. And if he continued to cry out to them, they would answer him, saying, Thus shall it be
done to a man that cometh into our land.
7. And when men heard all these things that the people of the cities of Sodom did, they
refrained from coming there.
8. And when a poor man came to their land they would give him silver and gold, and
cause a proclamation in the whole city not to give him a morsel of bread to eat, and if
the stranger should remain there some days, and die from hunger, not having been able
to obtain a morsel of bread, then at his death all the people of the city would come and
take their silver and gold which they had given to him.
9. And those that could recognize the silver or gold which they had given him took it back,
and at his death they also stripped him of his garments, and they would fight about
them, and he that prevailed over his neighbor took them.
10. They would after that carry him and bury him under some of the shrubs in the deserts;
so they did all the days to any one that came to them and died in their land.
11. And in the course of time Sarah sent Eliezer to Sodom, to see Lot and inquire after his
welfare.
12. And Eliezer went to Sodom, and he met a man of Sodom fighting with a stranger, and
the man of Sodom stripped the poor man of all his clothes and went away.
13. And this poor man cried to Eliezer and supplicated his favor on account of what the
man of Sodom had done to him.
14. And he said to him, Why dost thou act thus to the poor man who came to thy land?
15. And the man of Sodom answered Eliezer, saying, Is this man thy brother, or have the
people of Sodom made thee a judge this day, that thou speakest about this man?
16. And Eliezer strove with the man of Sodom on account of the poor man, and when
Eliezer approached to recover the poor man's clothes from the man of Sodom, he
hastened and with a stone smote Eliezer in the forehead.
17. And the blood flowed copiously from Eliezer's forehead, and when the man saw the
blood he caught hold of Eliezer, saying, Give me my hire for having rid thee of this bad
blood that was in thy forehead, for such is the custom and the law in our land.
18. And Eliezer said to him, Thou hast wounded me and requirest me to pay thee thy hire;
and Eliezer would not hearken to the words of the man of Sodom.
19. And the man laid hold of Eliezer and brought him to Shakra the judge of Sodom for
judgment.
20. And the man spoke to the judge, saying, I beseech thee my lord, thus has this man done,
for I smote him with a stone that the blood flowed from his forehead, and he is
unwilling to give me my hire.
21. And the judge said to Eliezer, This man speaketh truth to thee, give him his hire, for this
is the custom in our land; and Eliezer heard the words of the judge, and he lifted up a
stone and smote the judge, and the stone struck on his forehead, and the blood flowed
copiously from the forehead of the judge, and Eliezer said, If this then is the custom in
your land give thou unto this man what I should have given him, for this has been thy
decision, thou didst decree it.
22. And Eliezer left the man of Sodom with the judge, and he went away.
23. And when the kings of Elam had made war with the kings of Sodom, the kings of Elam
captured all the property of Sodom, and they took Lot captive, with his property, and
when it was told to Abraham he went and made war with the kings of Elam, and he
recovered from their hands all the property of Lot as well as the property of Sodom.
24. At that time the wife of Lot bare him a daughter, and he called her name Paltith, saying,
Because God had delivered him and his whole household from the kings of Elam; and
Paltith daughter of Lot grew up, and one of the men of Sodom took her for a wife.
25. And a poor man came into the city to seek a maintenance, and he remained in the city
some days, and all the people of Sodom caused a proclamation of their custom not to
give this man a morsel of bread to eat, until he dropped dead upon the earth, and they
did so.
26. And Paltith the daughter of Lot saw this man lying in the streets starved with hunger,
and no one would give him any thing to keep him alive, and he was just upon the point
of death.
27. And her soul was filled with pity on account of the man, and she fed him secretly with
bread for many days, and the soul of this man was revived.
28. For when she went forth to fetch water she would put the bread in the water pitcher, and
when she came to the place where the poor man was, she took the bread from the
pitcher and gave it him to eat; so she did many days.
29. And all the people of Sodom and Gomorrah wondered how this man could bear
starvation for so many days.
30. And they said to each other, This can only be that he eats and drinks, for no man can
bear starvation for so many days or live as this man has, without even his countenance
changing; and three men concealed themselves in a place where the poor man was
stationed, to know who it was that brought him bread to eat.
31. And Paltith daughter of Lot went forth that day to fetch water, and she put bread into
her pitcher of water, and she went to draw water by the poor man's place, and she took
out the bread from the pitcher and gave it to the poor man and he ate it.
32. And the three men saw what Paltith did to the poor man, and they said to her, It is thou
then who hast supported him, and therefore has he not starved, nor changed in
appearance nor died like the rest.
33. And the three men went out of the place in which they were concealed, and they seized
Paltith and the bread which was in the poor man's hand.
34. And they took Paltith and brought her before their judges, and they said to them, Thus
did she do, and it is she who supplied the poor man with bread, therefore did he not die
all this time; now therefore declare to us the punishment due to this woman for having
transgressed our law.
35. And the people of Sodom and Gomorrah assembled and kindled a fire in the street of
the city, and they took the woman and cast her into the fire and she was burned to ashes.
36. And in the city of Admah there was a woman to whom they did the like.
37. For a traveler came into the city of Admah to abide there all night, with the intention of
going home in the morning, and he sat opposite the door of the house of the young
woman's father, to remain there, as the sun had set when be had reached that place; and
the young woman saw him sitting by the door of the house.
38. And he asked her for a drink of water and she said to him, Who art thou? and he said to
her, I was this day going on the road, and reached here when the sun set, so I will abide
here all night, and in the morning I will arise early and continue my journey.
39. And the young woman went into the house and fetched the man bread and water to eat
and drink.
40. And this affair became known to the people of Admah, and they assembled and brought
the young woman before the judges, that they should judge her for this act.
41. And the judge said, The judgment of death must pass upon this woman because she
transgressed our law, and this therefore is the decision concerning her.
42. And the people of those cities assembled and brought out the young woman, and
anointed her with honey from head to foot, as the judge had decreed, and they placed
her before a swarm of bees which were then in their hives, and the bees flew upon her
and stung her that her whole body was swelled.
43. And the young woman cried out on account of the bees, but no one took notice of her or
pitied her, and her cries ascended to heaven.
44. And the Lord was provoked at this and at all the works of the cities of Sodom, for they
had abundance of food, and had tranquility amongst them, and still would not sustain
the poor and the needy, and in those days their evil doings and sins became great before
the Lord.
45. And the Lord sent for two of the angels that had come to Abraham's house, to destroy
Sodom and its cities.
46. And the angels rose up from the door of Abraham's tent, after they had eaten and drunk,
and they reached Sodom in the evening, and Lot was then sitting in the gate of Sodom,
and when he saw them he rose to meet them, and he bowed down to the ground.
47. And he pressed them greatly and brought them into his house, and he gave them
victuals which they ate, and they abode all night in his house.
48. And the angels said to Lot, Arise, go forth from this place, thou and all belonging to
thee, lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of this city, for the Lord will destroy this
place.
49. And the angels laid hold upon the hand of Lot and upon the hand of his wife, and upon
the hands of his children, and all belonging to him, and they brought him forth and set
him without the cities.
50. And they said to Lot, Escape for thy life, and he fled and all belonging to him.
51. Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah and upon all these cities
brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.
52. And he overthrew these cities, all the plain and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that
which grew upon the ground; and Ado the wife of Lot looked back to see the
destruction of the cities, for her compassion was moved on account of her daughters
who remained in Sodom, for they did not go with her.
53. And when she looked back she became a pillar of salt, and it is yet in that place unto
this day.
54. And the oxen which stood in that place daily licked up the salt to the extremities of their
feet, and in the morning it would spring forth afresh, and they again licked it up unto
this day.
55. And Lot and two of his daughters that remained with him fled and escaped to the cave
of Adullam, and they remained there for some time.
56. And Abraham rose up early in the morning to see what had been done to the cities of
Sodom; and he looked and beheld the smoke of the cities going up like the smoke of a
furnace.
57. And Lot and his two daughters remained in the cave, and they made their father drink
wine, and they lay with him, for they said there was no man upon earth that could raise
up seed from them, for they thought that the whole earth was destroyed.
58. And they both lay with their father, and they conceived and bare sons, and the first born
called the name of her son Moab, saying, From my father did I conceive him; he is the
father of the Moabites unto this day.
59. And the younger also called her son Benami; he is the father of the children of Ammon
unto this day.
60. And after this Lot and his two daughters went away from there, and he dwelt on the
other side of the Jordan with his two daughters and their sons, and the sons of Lot grew
up, and they went and took themselves wives from the land of Canaan, and they begat
children and they were fruitful and multiplied.

According to this thier sins were along the lines of not loving thier neighbor, a wealthy nation having no pity on the poor and open hostiliy toward strangers/non-citizens...I assume the economy was not based on tourism.

Josephus said The Book of Jasher was among those in the Temple.  Is this that book?  perhaps.

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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2011, 02:07:19 AM »

I doubt the Book we have is the real Jasher, but the point remains it does demonstrate how recent the current standard Christian interpretation is.
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2011, 03:11:02 AM »

God does in fact condemn homosexuality, not just in the New Testament, but the Old Testament as well. Ask a Jew if God like homosexuality. The answer will be no, that it is a violation of the Levitical/Moses law, and a sin punishable by death.

But Jesus freed us from the old laws of Moses, the Levitical laws. But is still a sin of the flesh, carnal, and against nature. Jesus says if you walk in the Spirit you won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Gays are no more guilty of sin that any other human being. We are all guilty of something, but Jesus has freely forgiven us all if we accept it. If we believe and have faith.

Christians didn't just one day decide to pick on one particular group of people. They are trying to follow what the bible says, and much of what Christians deem a sin is based on Judaic law of the Old Testament. This alleged discrimination against gays isn't some new political strategy either. That said, I personally do acknowledge there are some who call themsevles Christians/Christian organizations who use it politically, and those types I tend to find are not very Christian, but in fact are shams and not a true representation of how a Christian should act.

To be honest, if there were no Christianity, I'd support the gay community, from the secular perspective. As a non-Christian, I'd support the Constitution and it's protections of individual rights, BUT, from the secular view, I still don't see protections under the Constitution for a person's sexual preferences. What I do see in the Constitution is the protection from government intervention in the agreements and relationships between individuals. So to me, "civil unions" is constitutional, because I believe the Constitution protects people from being messed with by the government in personal relationship-type stuff. Technically, a marriage is a legal contract between the concerned parties, and really is no one elses business within the law's of man.

But I'm Christian, and God's law comes first in my life. Sorry Caesar! Get to know Jesus and you'll understand.
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2011, 03:16:38 AM »

i thought in America you have the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion.

so it really does not matter what the bible has within it because you cant persecute someone because of your personal beliefs.

if your batting for the home team and happen to be christian then you yourself have a clash and will have to decide to either disregard those passages or leave the religion.

im not christian and to me the idea of two men being in the same bed is disgusting but i have no right to judge them for doing it.... i just don't do it myself.

all religions and religious people have to learn to stick their big noses out of other peoples lives. you have a right to follow any religion you want.... just don't force it on others or tell them they will burn in hell or judge them because of something you believe. your beliefs are yours only regardless of how strongly you believe them.

only my two cents and no offense.

 
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2011, 03:29:47 AM »

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all religions and religions people have to learn to stick their big noses out of other peoples lives. you have a right to follow any religion you want.... just don't force it on others

That works both ways, does it not? That logic demands that the gay community stop forcing their preferences into general society.

Basically, from the secular perspective, BOTH SIDES need to mind their own personal business, and quit trying to force their personal life choices on others, or demanding that choices be recognized as some special standard that all must follow.

The homosexual demands their right in the workplace, such as the military, to be free of discrimination, but I say in the same vein, the workplace is no place for people to be sexual. Your there to work, not be gay or straight.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2011, 03:40:07 AM »

i fully agree Kilika.

a persons sexual preference should remain private... you don't see straight parades where the majority of the world dress up in sexually provocative clothing celebrating the fact that 1% of their daily lives is spent having sex....

i would say we are both correct.... but that's just a personal belief Wink

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2011, 07:06:06 AM »

But by the same token concerning freedom from religion, bible believers reserve the liberty to not swallow secularist dogmas about homosexuality and spin rhetoric designed to recast or erase the moral issue. "Gays are a discriminated group," "gays have civil rights" or "gays are born this way" are among those dogmas. No, individuals have rights, not groups, and engaging in immoral behavior does not make you a civil rights group or category. There is no hard scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic in origin.

It is in fact the gay activists who have been working overtime to politically impose their values on everybody else, to get laws passed that (mis)cast them as a group and to then get government privileges (not rights) for them also codified into law. The situation is NOT equal, social liberals are much more active in making private behavior a public matter. Social conservatives would only be matching it if they actively sought to reprise blatantly punitive provisions against gays, such as the 1786 law Jefferson once supported in Virginia, that called for the CASTRATION of male homosexuals.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2011, 08:55:30 AM »

And We're not supposed to be Under the OT Law.  And no Jews would agree that Sodom was destroyed for Homosexuality, that is purely Modern Christina nonsense.

But either way both the OT and NT relevant passages are addressed in my Blog.
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2011, 10:47:38 AM »

And We're not supposed to be Under the OT Law.  And no Jews would agree that Sodom was destroyed for Homosexuality, that is purely Modern Christina nonsense.

But either way both the OT and NT relevant passages are addressed in my Blog.

we arent under OT Law.
You have talked to every Jew out there? wow!!!  Shocked
Nope not modern goes all the way back to Sodom...

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were wiked cities. Was it just plain ole sodomy that they were destroyed? No, but it was a big part of it. Even Josephus recognized that their sodomy was a part of their destruction. and he was a Jew.

Why did Lot offer his daughters to the sodomites?
Just what was the strage flesh the sodomites were going after and fornicationing with?
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2011, 11:28:47 AM »

i thought in America you have the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion.

so it really does not matter what the bible has within it because you cant persecute someone because of your personal beliefs.

if your batting for the home team and happen to be christian then you yourself have a clash and will have to decide to either disregard those passages or leave the religion.

im not christian and to me the idea of two men being in the same bed is disgusting but i have no right to judge them for doing it.... i just don't do it myself.

all religions and religious people have to learn to stick their big noses out of other peoples lives. you have a right to follow any religion you want.... just don't force it on others or tell them they will burn in hell or judge them because of something you believe. your beliefs are yours only regardless of how strongly you believe them.

only my two cents and no offense.

 

No offense meant Sir, but part of being a christian, is to warn others of what we know is coming and show them The Way.  Christians absolutely should not ever, in any case, persecute others for what they believe.  If one seeks freedom from religion, one would be advised to avoid religious debate. Truth is truth no matter how hard one denies it.

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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2011, 12:27:20 PM »

The Incident recorded is not Why Sodom was Destroyed, Sodom's fate was sealed before the Vistors arrived.  And what the People (Not Men that's a wrong Transitional) wanted do would have been Rape, who was what Gender had nothing to do with why it was immoral.

I deal with Jude's reference to Strange Flesh in my Blog, the irony of people trying to make it about Homosexuality is the Greek word there is Heteras.
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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2011, 12:42:09 PM »

ah, the crux of your whole problem, "Yea hath God said" ... figures....


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« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2011, 01:34:39 PM »

The Incident recorded is not Why Sodom was Destroyed, Sodom's fate was sealed before the Vistors arrived.  And what the People (Not Men that's a wrong Transitional) wanted do would have been Rape, who was what Gender had nothing to do with why it was immoral.

I deal with Jude's reference to Strange Flesh in my Blog, the irony of people trying to make it about Homosexuality is the Greek word there is Heteras.

Lots of misdirection and loophole-seeking here. The angels were there in the first place to confirm the homosexual chaos had gone too far, and to thus show vividly to Lot that it was why Sodom's fate was sealed. The sin of the people/men in Gen 19 was an exclusive craving for homosexual sex with the strangers, as confirmed by their turning down the daughters when they were offered.

The tone of the passage not only speaks to their sin, but to the desperate nature of their desire for fresh male meat. Kind of like a 'surrounded by hungry vampires or zombies' movie scene, where you're the big Mac. Lot is rightfully presented critically, because he kept compromising with this spectacle, instead of fully separating himself from it.

Jude 7 references Sodom's sin through the use of both the words fornication and 'strange flesh,' which together make it clear the reference is to homosexual sin.
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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2011, 02:48:15 AM »

Yeshua himself when he references it is talking about INhosptiality, NOT anything Sexual.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2011, 03:15:25 AM »

Well, I've seen multiple mentions by you of your "blog". It appears that is your primary intent; to draw people from here to your "blog". So really, your agenda is to spam your site here it seems in support of the gay agenda, because it's obvious you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Christianity.
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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2011, 03:21:59 AM »

Well, I've seen multiple mentions by you of your "blog". It appears that is your primary intent; to draw people from here to your "blog". So really, your agenda is to spam your site here it seems in support of the gay agenda, because it's obvious you don't know what your talking about when it comes to Christianity.

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« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2011, 07:56:28 AM »

I would Copy and Past here if it would fit in one Post.  But I thought this Community was about spreading Information, Plenty other threads are just Links to Youtube Videos.
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« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2011, 11:01:14 AM »

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« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2011, 11:12:04 AM »


What is this, Tavistock talking points?
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« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2011, 11:15:38 AM »

I would Copy and Past here if it would fit in one Post.  But I thought this Community was about spreading Information, Plenty other threads are just Links to Youtube Videos.

It's about sharing "TRUTHFUL" information, not lies and misinformation.
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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2011, 06:29:24 AM »

All I see is a lot of copy & paste material with no source links & no information about the source or any convincing argument as to why it should be given credence.  It's not in any bible I have ever read & I'm not being convinced it ever should have been.  If this were an end of year thesis it would get a FAIL.
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2011, 12:45:14 PM »

And We're not supposed to be Under the OT Law.  And no Jews would agree that Sodom was destroyed for Homosexuality, that is purely Modern Christina nonsense.

But either way both the OT and NT relevant passages are addressed in my Blog.

I don't think you can use Jews that broke the law and killed Jesus as a decree for determining what is right and what is wrong in Gods eyes. It was the sex-mad men and young boys of the city demanded to have relations with those whom they viewed merely as Lot’s male house guests then ended up being the final nail in their coffins. It wasn't the women they were after but the men. Even though Lot begged them to take the women, they wanted to get to the men. Sodom was destroyed for it's unclean desires, such as perverse sexual desires displayed by this event.

Homosexuality and bestiality are viewed in the same ways scripturally and the penalty was death.

Leviticus 18:22; 20:13.
22 “‘And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

13 “‘And when a man lies down with a male the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing. They should be put to death without fail. Their own blood is upon them.

In spite of this decree and others the Jews returned to homosexuality. 1 Kings 14:24; 15:12; 22:46
24 And even the male temple prostitute proved to be in the land. They acted according to all the detestable things of the nations whom God had driven out from before the sons of Israel.

In one occurrence in the bible there was a Levite that was a houseguest in the Benjamite city of Gibeah, and the men of the city surrounded the house shouting: “Bring out the man who came into your house, that we may have intercourse with him.” (Judges 19:22) Practically the whole tribe of Benjamin was wiped out at God’s direction because of this matter.

1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 says, 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.

Romans 1:26, 27 says: 26 That is why God gave them up to disgraceful sexual appetites, for both their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; 27 and likewise even the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full recompense, which was due for their error.

And we know it's talking about homosexuality here because it fulfills the definition. It can be either sex, it doesn't matter, seeking ones own gender for sex is contrary to nature by biblical definition. Of course if you can present higher authority... then things might be different.
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« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2011, 01:34:41 PM »

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination." Leviticus 18:22 (KJB)

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them." Leviticus 20:13 (KJB)

"And there were also sodomites in the land: [and] they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel." 1 Kings 14:24 (KJB)

"[Now] as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, [and] beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him." Judges 19:22 (KJB)

9   Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 
10   Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 
1 Corinthians 6:9,10 (KJB)


26   For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 
27   And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
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