What percentage of your income should the government cost you?

[DGrahamHart]

What percentage of your income should the government cost you? Or another way of asking it, what percentage of your income is the government justified in taking so that it can fund legitimate things like national defense, police, courts, etc.

Follow this link to vote in the poll,

http://www.acepolls.com/polls/1231467-what-percentage-of-your-income-should-the-government-cost-you

[MonkeyPuppet]

Screw the poll.  The correct answer is ZERO.

[Modzilla_Kicker]

i'll take the safer route and say that on average it should be around 2.5% on savings above a certain amount, provided that that amount has remained intact for at least a whole year, not on income per say. The only taxable income would be livestock @ 2.5 p.a., produce @ 5-10% at harvest if the produce is above a certain amount (several 100's of kgs).


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[Kilika]

Screw the poll.  The correct answer is ZERO.

Agreed. 0%.

Ever considered that the people decide what they want, not politicians in closed door meetings. I personally have no children, so why am I forced to pay for the education of other people's kids, particularly when I totally disagree with the education system? Why should I be forced to pay for something I don't want?

The federal government gave nearly 1 billion dollars to Solardyne, and now they are less than a year later closed and bankrupt. And you want us to just fork over our money to the feds to handle as they see fit? Uh no. THere needs to be more votes on what is spent, and less of the feds just spending on stuff the people have no say over. "Discretionary spending" is a joke! It's basically legal theft.

[planning4acrash]

Why can't government charge for their services rather than use tax, like business has to. If they can't compete in a free market then they shouldn't be in it. Problem solved if they only follow the Constitution and if politicians are volunteers who get no pay.

[Jordan]

Why can't government charge for their services rather than use tax, like business has to. If they can't compete in a free market then they shouldn't be in it. Problem solved if they only follow the Constitution and if politicians are volunteers who get no pay.

The really don't provide any services worth paying for. Everyone is conned into believing this is reality, it's not. The Government stands in the way of economic growth by creating laws for monopolies and destroying competition. Worldly Governments are archaic,  obsolete and are the opposite of progress.

[Freeski]

Why can't government charge for their services rather than use tax, like business has to. If they can't compete in a free market then they shouldn't be in it. Problem solved if they only follow the Constitution and if politicians are volunteers who get no pay.

Government would go belly-up in a heartbeat if they had to compete with the free market on a level playing field (i.e. no tax money for start-up or operations, no ability to rig the marketplace through regulations/permits, etc.)

[Jordan]

What do you call it when the Government takes over all aspects of business? When it takes over medical, banking, agriculture, human rights, civil rights, road services, auto dealerships, air and water quality control etc?  Thats tyranny - the government makes the rules and you obey or die.

[Geolibertarian]

Those who parrot anarcho-capitalist dogma are of course free to do so. But I would ask that they please not insult everyone else's intelligence by then claiming they're "Constitutionalists," because they're not.

[egypt]

Why can't government charge for their services rather than use tax, like business has to. If they can't compete in a free market then they shouldn't be in it. Problem solved if they only follow the Constitution and if politicians are volunteers who get no pay.

Their comeback to this is they need influence & power to give us the correct representation we deserve.  I am with you.  A true Statesman should do it for free.  But then, only the rich who could afford no income for a time, would be able to do this.

Maybe a middle ground of a middle income for the time they are in their limited-term positions would suffice.

The huge problem is government bureaus & agencies.   Rand Paul spoke at LPAC a few days ago and said that 32 government agencies now maintain their own armies & swat teams.  What a ridiculous expense!  Since when does FDA, EPA, USDA & others need swat teams?  It is out-of-control.  Ron Paul will end this in cutting funding and getting rid of these monstrosities, goliath agencies that don't even do what they were set up to do.

If nothing else, swat teams are way over-the-top in response.  Wouldn't a simple knock on the door or a phone call work instead of:  raiding a vitamin-selling church, raiding Gibson Guitars, raiding raw milk shelves, raiding a front-yard garden grower?

Also, the FDA does not do the job it was set up to do.  I receives "testing" reports submitted by those manufacturers who would directly benefit monetarily.  FDA is corrupt.   FDA does not test a thing.

Love, e

[lazarus]

What percentage of your income should the government cost you? Or another way of asking it, what percentage of your income is the government justified in taking so that it can fund legitimate things like national defense, police, courts, etc.

Follow this link to vote in the poll,

http://www.acepolls.com/polls/1231467-what-percentage-of-your-income-should-the-government-cost-you

Since there is a high probability that most if not all our federal income tax goes to pay the INTEREST on what the Federal Reserve lends to the treasury, and does not pay for any "legitimate things" as you call it, the answer may be zero already. Without a Federal Reserve audit, questions like this become part of the marionette politic, also known as the staged reality we live in.

[egypt]

Screw the poll.  The correct answer is ZERO.

Ron Paul intends to erradicate Federal Income Tax!  yay!

Love, e

[MonkeyPuppet]

Why can't government charge for their services rather than use tax, like business has to. If they can't compete in a free market then they shouldn't be in it. Problem solved if they only follow the Constitution and if politicians are volunteers who get no pay.

For many things, they do charge.  At the local level, we pay for engineering project oversight and documentation at every submittal.  We pay, if you can stomach the erroneous nature of it, for drivers licenses.  This goes on and on.

Extend that principle to the federal government and how many Americans would ever have to pay for anything that the federal government does?  The answer is very very few.  As per the Constitution, the authorized powers and activities of the federal government is funded by taxes levied upon the PRIVILEGE of utilizing the federal government to profit from the U.S. domestic economy... such as the way the income tax is written and applies to foreign persons (individuals and corporations) and their withholding agents with domestic-sourced income, and U.S. citizens residing abroad with foreign-sourced income.

[swimreferee]

I feel that a volunteer fire department should be available for putting out fires and I have no problems with giving annually as a donation to their training, club room and supplies.  My taxes go to purchase capital hardware.  Wow even the firehouse is owned by the Volunteer Company it is not a govt' building.  I fail to see why in a city there is a need for a paid company when there are so many more people to draw from.  But everyone feels they should sit on their couch and get something for nothing and not contribute to society.  So I disagree with you WLGarrison.  Same with Volunteer EMTs also.  Gov't should provide the equipment and training.  You can have both volunteer and paid if the community desires as prime 9-5 hours most volunteers are working their prime employment this is when Paid services come into play. 

Govt should only do what the citizen's can't do.  The FEMA handling of New Orleans, Austin Texas area fires was totally out of order.  We need to cut the powers of the federal Govt and this is again why Mr. Perry should not be in Govt as President or Governor of Texas.

I noticed that the Texas Straw Poll was canceled to prevent further embarshment of Bilderburg candidate Mr. Perry.

[Lannister]

Question

Can you have a country this size without full time people running national business?  If not how would you expect them to be compensated for their time to put food on their tables?

[egypt]

Question

Can you have a country this size without full time people running national business?  If not how would you expect them to be compensated for their time to put food on their tables?

Cut the "national business" of unending wars we don't need to be in, along with the Goliath problem of "agencies & bureaus" we do not need  -- hey, maybe?

How about if they stick to keeping roads & bridges repaired, the mail running and protecting our borders -- does that sound about right?

Love, e

[Kilika]

Yeah, there is a reason the Constitution has in it a cluse that covers when Congress was to be in Washington. Back originally, they did so to make sure everybody would show back up in Washington after going home to their states. There is suppose to be rather little the federal government does for the nation, and they have little authority to do many things, but laws passed in violation of the Constitution has allowed them to create this massive government structure that shouldn't never have existed.

Most of the things done in our country is suppose to be at the local and state level. The feds are not for much more than international issues and keeping other countries out. The state and local levels are to take care of the rest without the feds meddling where they have no authority. If it isn't federal land, then they need to keep out, but unfortunately, the federal government has bribed the states with cash the nation doesn't have and now state governments are hooked on fed money and are in just as much debt as the feds. So in the end, what good really has the feds done for the country? Not much in my opinion.

[egypt]

I call it a deceitful saboteur operations to takeover our Country!

[MonkeyPuppet]

Question

Can you have a country this size without full time people running national business?  If not how would you expect them to be compensated for their time to put food on their tables?

First of all, this...

Cut the "national business" of unending wars we don't need to be in, along with the Goliath problem of "agencies & bureaus" we do not need  -- hey, maybe?

... and apply the income tax AS IT IS WRITTEN and the federal government would everything it needs to fulfill its Constitutional obligation.  The reason it does SO MUCH MORE now is because the majority of Americans are moral cowards, ignorant of damn near all law and legal concepts, and the People are too caught up in the provided bread & circus to give more than a whimper at the atrocity of usurping government power.

[MonkeyPuppet]

As of this reply, 3 of the 15 voters to this thread's poll promote THEFT and the idea that the federal government OWNS your labor.  Of course, they wouldn't characterize it that way

[Freeski]

Until now, I haven't voted - but this time I will.

Honestly, I can't think of one thing I need the government to do for me.

[Freeski]

The choice is obvious.

[Lannister]

For those that say 0% just playing Devils Advocate here.  While you seem to agree(rightly so) that Govt. should be butting out of almost everything you, you still state certain things it SHOULD doMail Service, Foreign Affairs ect.).  Again I pose my question.

Can you have a country this size without full time people running national business?  If not how would you expect them to be compensated for their time to put food on their tables?

[Freeski]

For those that say 0% just playing Devils Advocate here.  While you seem to agree(rightly so) that Govt. should be butting out of almost everything you, you still state certain things it SHOULD doMail Service, Foreign Affairs ect.).  Again I pose my question.

Can you have a country this size without full time people running national business?  If not how would you expect them to be compensated for their time to put food on their tables?

Weird question, but, what exactly are you running?

[MonkeyPuppet]

For those that say 0% just playing Devils Advocate here.  While you seem to agree(rightly so) that Govt. should be butting out of almost everything you, you still state certain things it SHOULD doMail Service, Foreign Affairs ect.).  Again I pose my question.

Can you have a country this size without full time people running national business?  If not how would you expect them to be compensated for their time to put food on their tables?

Already answered this, but Constitutional taxation takes care of ALL the enumerated powers of the federal government.  The more TRADE we do with the friends we make around the world, the more revenue is generated for the federal government from the function of its primary service.

With war, blockades, aid programs and interventions, the federal government loses money which translates to interest guarantees for the banksters that loan it money.  According to the Grace Commission report, we know where that interest comes from... the MISapplication of federal tax law and the THEFT of labor value from the American public.

The federal government is the FOREIGN AGENT for the states.  What part of that characterization, which is that of the Founders, authorizes ANY intrusion into the personal and private lives of Americans?

[Freeski]

Already answered this, but Constitutional taxation takes care of ALL the enumerated powers of the federal government.  The more TRADE we do with the friends we make around the world, the more revenue is generated for the federal government from the function of its primary service.

With war, blockades, aid programs and interventions, the federal government loses money which translates to interest guarantees for the banksters that loan it money.  According to the Grace Commission report, we know where that interest comes from... the MISapplication of federal tax law and the THEFT of labor value from the American public.

The federal government is the FOREIGN AGENT for the states.  What part of that characterization, which is that of the Founders, authorizes ANY intrusion into the personal and private lives of Americans?

Great post, but why do we even need a government body to promote us, individually, to the rest of the world?

[MonkeyPuppet]

Great post, but why do we even need a government body to promote us, individually, to the rest of the world?

The Founders felt that a common currency, a common face to foreign friends (NOT dependents!), and a common venue for interstate matters would best service the states as a whole.  Other features of this centralized agent are the postal service and the Navy.  ALL, however, were intended to be funded by lawful Constitutional taxation upon the income generated by utilizing the ancillary services of the federal government... trade, visas, bonds, etc.

[Elder]

I say, currently, the correct answer is zero.

And, you know, since a non-corrupt society is unlikely to ever exist…

[Lannister]

Assuming you are of the 0% tax persuation as my post was addressed to those people how is it you can go on to talk about taxation taking care of the Govt.  You can't have 2 cakes and eat them both.

As for trade, is it the Nation you see doing the trading(as in a department or some other beuracracy overseeing it) or individual companies or conglomerates doing it?  If there is no beuracracy running it and companies are not paying taxes then there is no money generated for said Federal Govt.

Already answered this, but Constitutional taxation takes care of ALL the enumerated powers of the federal government.  The more TRADE we do with the friends we make around the world, the more revenue is generated for the federal government from the function of its primary service.

With war, blockades, aid programs and interventions, the federal government loses money which translates to interest guarantees for the banksters that loan it money.  According to the Grace Commission report, we know where that interest comes from... the MISapplication of federal tax law and the THEFT of labor value from the American public.

The federal government is the FOREIGN AGENT for the states.  What part of that characterization, which is that of the Founders, authorizes ANY intrusion into the personal and private lives of Americans?

[MonkeyPuppet]

Assuming you are of the 0% tax persuation as my post was addressed to those people how is it you can go on to talk about taxation taking care of the Govt.  You can't have 2 cakes and eat them both.

As for trade, is it the Nation you see doing the trading(as in a department or some other beuracracy overseeing it) or individual companies or conglomerates doing it?  If there is no beuracracy running it and companies are not paying taxes then there is no money generated for said Federal Govt.

All foreign trade is authorized and monitored via the U.S. Department of Commerce.  Further, domestic corporations doing business overseas and foreign corporations doing business domestically utilize the State Department for consular affairs as well.

We're not talking about you buying French perfume online from a French perfume outlet in France, but rather a French distributor establishing a receivership domestically either via their own consular or by utilizing a domestic company as a flow-through (and potentially a withholding agent)... and vice versa.

[Charlie Prime]

The Founders felt that a common currency, a common face to foreign friends (NOT dependents!), and a common venue for interstate matters would best service the states as a whole.

Exactly.  Elites have used this collectivist violence to extract wealth from their slaves for THOUSANDS of years.

The "Founding Fathers" were the same rich thugs as today.  It's a Good Deal if you are a member of their genetic elite or intellectual elite.  If you are one of the profane cows, not so much.

[Kilika]

Assuming you are of the 0% tax persuation as my post was addressed to those people how is it you can go on to talk about taxation taking care of the Govt.  You can't have 2 cakes and eat them both.

As for trade, is it the Nation you see doing the trading(as in a department or some other beuracracy overseeing it) or individual companies or conglomerates doing it?  If there is no beuracracy running it and companies are not paying taxes then there is no money generated for said Federal Govt.

Dude, you REALLY need to read and learn what the Constitution says, because it is obvious if you did, this conversation wouldn't exist. Your holding a conversation unarmed, and it shows. Come back when you've educated yourself so a more intelligent conversation can proceed.

[CJ Wrigley]

0% I shall say no more...

[Constitutionary]

The term is serf not surf DUDE !!!!   

Back to your point tho there's no reason the government can't issue its own debt free money.  If Guernsey can do it why not the rest of the world.

Seriously, humanity needs to throw off the shackels of the Banker's 'Anunnaki-Complex'.