BBC - 9/11: Conspiracy Road Trip - Sept 8, 2011, 21:00, BBC3

[Scootle]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b014gpjx

This September marks the tenth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, one of the biggest terrorist atrocities of the 21st Century. Nineteen hijackers, all members of Al Qaeda, crashed four planes on American soil, leading to the deaths of 2,973 innocent people.

This horrific event has generated a multitude of conspiracy theories that contradict the official findings of the US government's investigation into the events of that day.

Andrew Maxwell, a comedian, believes in the findings of the official investigation, which claim the responsibility for the attack lies with Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. He thinks the conspiracies theories are unsubstantiated nonsense. So in this film he offers to take five young Brits, who believe some of these conspiracy theories, on a road-trip from New York to Washington. They visit Ground Zero where two planes hit the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, home of vast American defence HQ and Shanksville in Pennsylvania where United 93 crashed.

Each of them believes different elements of the conspiracy theories. Charlotte, a North London nanny who witnessed the attacks, thinks the American government is responsible. She can't believe the hijackers, barely out of flying school, could have steered jetliners into the Twin Towers with such deadly accuracy. Rodney a health worker who studied biochemistry suspects the collapse of the towers was not caused by the planes that went in to them and he wants to get to the bottom of the science. Student Emily, an active member of the 9/11 Truth Movement, thinks the US government was forewarned of the attacks and yet ignored the intelligence allowing it to happen. Shazin, a qualified surveyor, wants to find out how the passengers on United 93 could have made phone calls to loved ones from a plane. And Charlie, an ex-banker thinks 9/11 was an excuse for the US Government to go to war with Iraq.

Andrew Maxwell thinks all five of them are wrong and wants to change their minds by confronting them with the facts. So as the bus criss-crosses the east coast of America he tries to convert them to his point of view. He wants to prove to them that 9/11 was no conspiracy and that sometimes the truth, whilst not easy to accept, is staring you right in the face. In order to do so, he takes them to meet experts, the chief air traffic controller on the day, demolition specialists, voice morphing engineers and he gets them to conduct scientific experiments and even fly an aeroplane.

Finally they meet a mother who tragically lost her son, to listen to her account of what it was like to live through this monumental tragedy. Andrew believes it is easy to judge world events from the safe distance of a computer screen in your bedroom but not easy when you are brought face to face with the real human stories behind them

Andrew Maxwell fights an exhausting battle for the truth and in his mission to convert his fellow travellers there are rows, falling-outs and tears. But there are also moments of tenderness, empathy and warmth.

[Scootle]

This is the documentary that Charlie Veitch took part in and was supposedly converted during the filming of. Apparently, they do an experiment with 'nanothermite', which will be interesting. I've got a feeling though the negative reaction Charlie received is going to feature in the program and they're gonna make the 9/11 truth movement out to be a cult. This one might be a propaganda win for the BBC. All their Conspiracy Files pieces have been so bad they've woke more people up but this one could be very dangerous.

[worcesteradam]

its on bbc3, so its aimed at young people.
audience wont be big

[robbinzo]

Just saw the program.
Very poor effort at debunking.
I was wondering what happened about Charlie Veitch's arrest at the G20 protests in 2010. Charlie was arrested in Canada for impersonating a police officer if I remember right.
Do we think that Charlie was offered a job as an establishment stooge in return for his freedom?

[worcesteradam]

Here is the demolition expert who won over Charlie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-He9IfXes&feature=channel_video_title

It doesnt take much to win over Charlie

[robbinzo]

Here is the demolition expert who won over Charlie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-He9IfXes&feature=channel_video_title

It doesnt take much to win over Charlie

Hahaha...Proof by lego that the law of increasing entropy did not apply to the twin towers.
Charlie was very easily swayed in this documentary. It's very obvious to me now that I've had time to think about it that he has been threatened.

[Scootle]

Yeh there was no mention of WTC7 and Blent Blanchard is one of the most foolish debunkers of them all. His analysis of the tilt of the south tower completely ignored the fact that lower down the building it was collapsing symmetrically.

It was like a belt of puffs around each floor...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjT86CCrWc

How does a pile driver tilted at 22 degrees to the west make the lower floors collapse symmetrically?

Also what about the conservation of angular momentum? You know, that principle of physics that keeps spinning-tops spinning!

[robbinzo]

Yes, once the top portion begins to rotate it has momentum and energy. It's own weight acted upon by gravity will make it accelerate towards the ground. The force of the intact tower beneath will oppose this. The top of the falling top portion is rotating downwards, the base is resisted by the structure below and thus the rotation has to continue.
According to the law of increasing entropy the falling portion of the building will fall through the path of least resistance. Since air offers significantly less resistance than an extremely over-engineering steel structure, we can guess at the outcome with a large degree of certainty.

What Charlie should have done is take the top part of the model and try to push it through the bottom part. Then he should have taken away layers of the bottom part of the model one by one to show that by removing the structure, the top part can move down in to it's own footprint - a demolition in slow motion via the medium of Lego.

Like Charlie Veitch having a moment of "clarity" on a BBC hit piece is compelling in any way at all.

[worcesteradam]

the tone of the programme was much better than the usual BBC stuff

[worcesteradam]

Hello, my name is Emily Church.

This summer I participated in a BBC hit piece on 9/11, entitled “Conspiracy Roadtrip”.
The show aired a few hours ago and I felt compelled to write my version of what happened on that 8 day roadtrip, to give you the perspective you were not shown by BBC 3.

Throughout my time on the show I asked question after question. I asked every single person we met whether they believed the official story to be true and the vast majority of them said no. Ask yourselves this question: why has the footage of us meeting Tom Owen, a voice analyst who worked on the Osama Bin Laden “confession” tapes, been cut completely? There is a simple answer. Because he told us not to believe the official report. Why? Because we aren’t in the “need-to-know” category, his words, not mine. Throughout our entire meeting with Tom Owen it was pretty much clear that the director of the show wasn’t happy with his take. Like most of our meetings with “experts” she would try and steer the conversation in a direction that would better fit her hit piece.

I’d also like to ask why footage of [FAA National Operations Manager] Ben Sliney saying that someone needs to be held accountable for 9/11 was cut? Surely that’s something that the TV license paying public should be able to see? But no, it didn’t fit their requirements for the perfect hit piece.

And here we reach Andrew Maxwell, the Irish comedian who consistently ridiculed us and walked away in the middle of debates. See, the BBC don’t want you to know that he complained throughout the entire shoot, laughed about us behind our backs and on more than one occasion said that he wished he’d never signed on to do the show. He’s not a bad person. He was there trying to make some money, we were there trying to get some truth. It’s as simple as that.

Personally, I’m disgusted at the documentary and I think participating in the show will always be one of my biggest regrets. But at the same time, I feel pretty lucky that I got to meet the people I did and ask the questions that I did, even though they weren’t included in the show.

Overall the experience was an interesting one, but one I wouldn’t do again. Imagine intense heat, stuck on a bus all day with cameras shoved in your face, 12 hour filming days, early mornings and emotional breakdowns. It was intense to say the least.

http://911truthnews.com/911-conspiracy-roadtrip-a-participants-perspective/

[Scootle]

LOL!!!

[Scootle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTeuJeTYy2I

[NastyNorthNyc]

CV is a f**king bitch lol

[EvadingGrid]

Well I now realise that any idiot can fly a plane, they need to scrap all pilots licences and let anyone fly.

Then they ran the incompetence excuse for airport security... mentioning but not digging into why the rest of the world has been plagued by terrorists at airports, yet the Great Satan needed no security until after 911.

* cat  gnashes fangs

Next they told me that jet fuel would cause a perfect demolition...

As to that idiot "Charlie" the Sandhurst Trained Officer and Banker... no comment

* cat  hurls brick at TV

Next they showed some extemely low grade thermite failing to cut a steel beam... Arguing that just becuase the tame boffin had sabotagued his demo that thermite can not cut steel beams... They never even mentioned the differences between thermite and nano thermite...

What a pile of shit.....


Proof that Thermite can cut a vertical column
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpPNRrylH00&feature=related

[Scootle]

Could that thermite expert have a more stereotypical geek voice? lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_-jVzYpQzc

[worcesteradam]

if thermite cant hurt steel, how could jet fuel

they just debunked themselves

[Freeski]

This has to be the dumbest piece of "journalism" I've ever seen! They were on a stated mission to convert the skeptics, and they even wrote this:

"Andrew Maxwell thinks all five of them are wrong and wants to change their minds by confronting them with the facts."

What facts? There were no relevant facts in the documentary.

It's still well-worth watching, though, if only to irritate you.

I think this is a publicity stunt to raise the profile of Veitch.

[Ghost of Oliver Cromwell]

I have to laugh whenever they say thermite cant melt steel when it's been used to weld railroads for decades.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpOJE-mkWmw

Also they never test using thermate, the military grade super thermite. Not the conventional stuff.

[EvadingGrid]

if thermite cant hurt steel, how could jet fuel

they just debunked themselves

ROFL

Most excellent point !!!

[PeaceAndFreedom]

if thermite cant hurt steel, how could jet fuel

they just debunked themselves

Exactly. The debunking propagandists don't dare think through the implications of their counter explanations, or put them through the same contentious level of scrutiny they reserve for deriding the truth position.

[Freeski]

Here's CBS parroting the BBC's strategy of just pretending evidence is even a part of the debate on their end. What they call evidence is what they are told to propagate.

September 11, 2011 7:37 AM
9/11 conspiracy theories won't stop
By Joshua Norman
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/09/11/national/main20104377.shtml

"No matter how much evidence is presented here and elsewhere, it's unlikely to dissuade most, if any, truthers, the psychological reasons for which will be explored in a bit."

Yet they present NO evidence in the piece, and when we give them evidence, they don't/won't even look at it. So who are the delusional ones?

[Freeski]

Oh no, there's no conspiracy: (it's so laughable how stupid they think we are -- or how smart they think they are)

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/last-nights-tv-911-conspiracy-road-tripbbc3-brperfect-couplese4-brhappy-endingse4-2351544.html

In 9/11: Conspiracy Road Trip, the comedian Andrew Maxwell adopted a completely different strategy, taking five confirmed conspiracists on a Dimwits' Holiday to the United States, where he was going to try to introduce them to the alien concepts of probability and critical thinking.

...

Charlie, who may have skimped his research into the counter-arguments to conspiracy theories, seemed almost startled to discover that there were perfectly rational explanations for phenomena he'd found baffling.

...

Like most conspiracists, Charlotte needed her belief more than the truth, and nothing on earth was going to persuade her to give it up.

[Ghost of Oliver Cromwell]

Oh no, there's no conspiracy: (it's so laughable how stupid they think we are -- or how smart they think they are)

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/reviews/last-nights-tv-911-conspiracy-road-tripbbc3-brperfect-couplese4-brhappy-endingse4-2351544.html

In 9/11: Conspiracy Road Trip, the comedian Andrew Maxwell adopted a completely different strategy, taking five confirmed conspiracists on a Dimwits' Holiday to the United States, where he was going to try to introduce them to the alien concepts of probability and critical thinking.

...

Charlie, who may have skimped his research into the counter-arguments to conspiracy theories, seemed almost startled to discover that there were perfectly rational explanations for phenomena he'd found baffling.

...

Like most conspiracists, Charlotte needed her belief more than the truth, and nothing on earth was going to persuade her to give it up.

I think those commies at the Independent should read this

Highly Credible People Question 9/11

http://www.infowars.com/highly-credible-people-question-911/

[goforward]

Hahaha...Proof by lego that the law of increasing entropy did not apply to the twin towers.
Charlie was very easily swayed in this documentary. It's very obvious to me now that I've had time to think about it that he has been threatened.

That was soooo bad...that comedian host, oh and the show was crap too
playtime with lego buildings, eggs and water balloons that was funny
Charlie Veitch the new Jon Ronson