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« on: August 09, 2011, 03:29:00 AM »

Here we go folks! The smokenazis are officially out of control. Citizens better get a handle on their city councils or they will have no rights at all left. I can't believe citizens are even allowing such things...(and look who is backing this "The Responsibility Project"; an insurance company! Go figure)

http://responsibility-project.libertymutual.com/blog/should-smoking-at-home-be-illegal-?src=OB_B278_SmokingHome#fbid=QzXMCCbsApo&src=OB_B278_SmokingHome

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Two new legal commandments have been delivered to the Silicon Valley town of Belmont, California:

Thou shalt not smoke in thy apartment
Thou shalt inform authorities of anyone who does smoke in an apartment

Belmont is home to America’s most restrictive secondhand smoking law, which now makes it illegal to light up in an apartment or condo that shares a wall, ceiling, or floor with another unit. Violators face a $100 fine from the city, as well as eviction if smoking violates their lease agreement.

Additionally, the new law makes citizens responsible for enforcing it by encouraging them to call authorities and report their neighbors if they light up in any home other than a free-standing house.

All of which has left some residents fuming--outside.

“I’m absolutely outraged,” said one apartment dweller who now must leave home to smoke her two packs a day. “They’re telling you how to live and what to do, and they’re doing it right here in America.”

Proponents of the new law, including the California Lung Association, see it differently. “They simply said that secondhand smoke is no less dangerous when it’s in your bedroom than in your workplace,” explained a spokesperson.

“They” is the Belmont city council, whose members have received hate mail for passing the no-smoking-at-home ordinance, which one former council member likens to other matters of shared-living etiquette. “You can’t walk around naked in your house with the blinds open, or you’ll get arrested,” he said. “You can’t play loud music in your house and bother your neighbors. It’s illegal.”

But even some supporters of smokers’ responsibility to so-called third parties, such as neighbors, are questioning whether Belmont should butt out. “There are good scientific and public health reasons for restricting smoking in closed public spaces,” said an expert in public health ethics. “But when such restrictions are extended to beaches, parks, sidewalks and now to the homes of smokers, the argument that third-party harms must be prevented becomes increasingly untenable.” (cont.)
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2011, 03:54:26 AM »

MADDNES STRIKES AGAIN ¬ !
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2011, 05:39:18 AM »

The Gestapo Regime grows stronger as it abolishes your rights .

The key is CONTROL as they want to control your every move , what you eat or drink and how you think.

DAMN, someone get the REVOLUTION  started NOW before it's too late.
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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2011, 06:22:42 AM »

Crazy control freaks!

I remember a story from several years ago in the U.S. where some dude was paid a visit by such control freaks for smoking in his own backyard -- because the smoke had drifted into a neighbor's yard.

Oh no, the neighbor couldn't just go talk to his neighbor and try to work something out, he had to call the "authorities" -- and they actually came!

This is how shedding our own personal responsibilities and allowing them to take care of us leads to full-on tyranny.
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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2011, 08:59:48 AM »

If cigarettes are so very bad - why doesn't the government just ban them?

Until then - I won't believe this is anything but a scam.
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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2011, 09:05:36 AM »

If cigarettes are so very bad - why doesn't the government just ban them?

Along with Big Macs, Ju Jubes, Diet Coke, Twizzlers, Cookies, Bubble Gum, Popcorn, Twinkies, etc...
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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2011, 09:18:11 AM »

Along with Big Macs, Ju Jubes, Diet Coke, Twizzlers, Cookies, Bubble Gum, Popcorn, Twinkies, etc...

At least it might wake people up then.. but the smoking thing is easy to get past the sheep.
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2011, 04:07:40 PM »

from kilika:  Two new legal commandments have been delivered to the Silicon Valley town of Belmont, California:

Thou shalt not smoke in thy apartment
Thou shalt inform authorities of anyone who does smoke in an apartment

I bet you could smoke a joint especially with the medical card.   




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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2011, 06:06:36 PM »

  Its all about controll.
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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2011, 08:43:21 PM »

At least it might wake people up then.. but the smoking thing is easy to get past the sheep.

Yep, and that's why I've always said that the whole "smoking issue" isn't even about smoking! As Chris says, it is about control, plain and simple.
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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2011, 08:46:12 PM »

Absolute Control  I agree
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2011, 01:31:49 AM »

from kilika:  Two new legal commandments have been delivered to the Silicon Valley town of Belmont, California:

Thou shalt not smoke in thy apartment
Thou shalt inform authorities of anyone who does smoke in an apartment

I bet you could smoke a joint especially with the medical card.   






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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2011, 07:16:14 AM »

 Hypocrits, the lowest form of life on earth.
 This is pathetic, our LIL elected officals can bomb innocents on a daiily basis, but they are so concerned about *health cigarettes smokers will soon be criminals.
  Its not your home, its theirs and your are their property. Free will, God's law..
Yes, its all about controll. The spin is in.
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2011, 07:37:17 AM »

Smoking should be illegal, PERIOD!
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2011, 09:05:39 AM »

Smoking should be illegal, PERIOD!
                     So should free will!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2011, 09:11:22 AM »

I'm sorry but I don't feel any sympathy for people who smoke. I say to let them destroy themselves and those around them. Just like with drugs, if you're dumb enough to start a harmful addiction, then you deserve to suffer the consequences.

Cigarettes have killed two members of my family, and I spent my entire childhood living with parents who did nothing but chainsmoke literally every single waking moment of their lives.

I don't understand what possesses people to pick up those vile, awful-smelling sticks of paper and smoke them. And I am especially perplexed about what makes them want to smoke in the first place. If I smoked a cigarette, I would probably vomit shortly thereafter. I become nauseous and feel like I want to vomit whenever I am around second hand smoke.

I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I am not overweight/addicted to food, I don't have sex, I don't gamble. I do not have ANY vices whatsoever! I will be the last living person in my family! If I have a problem in my life I don't turn to cigarettes/drugs/alcohol/gambling/sex for comfort. I place my hands on the back of my head and let my problems hit me in the gut full force.
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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2011, 09:55:37 AM »

 Hi M.
       I understand your reasoning, your parents and their loss.
The point I beleive folks were attempting to make here is not on a personell level. It was national, pols stepping in and controlling the lives of the citizenry.
 CONTROL. DOMINATION.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2011, 10:05:44 AM »

This is why CPS needs camera's in EVERY parent's home.  Even after the children leave the nest.  Parents smoking is putting their kids at risk of getting cancer.

Don't worry about giving these same kids vaccines full of heavy metals / deadly chemicals and GMO lab viruses...all the toxins in the drinking water...food...

Don't worry about all of that.  GET THOSE CAMERAS IN THE HOME NOW!!!!!!!
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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2011, 05:18:38 AM »

This is why CPS needs camera's in EVERY parent's home.  Even after the children leave the nest.  Parents smoking is putting their kids at risk of getting cancer.

Don't worry about giving these same kids vaccines full of heavy metals / deadly chemicals and GMO lab viruses...all the toxins in the drinking water...food...

Don't worry about all of that.  GET THOSE CAMERAS IN THE HOME NOW!!!!!!!

wow, you sound like a reincarnated Adolph Hitler.
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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2011, 08:49:15 AM »

wow, you sound like a reincarnated Adolph Hitler.


He was being sarcastic, dude. Grin
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2011, 08:50:43 AM »

He was being sarcastic, dude. Grin

Maybe Nailer was also being sarcastic? Cool
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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2011, 04:36:11 PM »

You're looking at at least 4000 chemicals in a cigarette.  Some of these contents are Acetone, Aluminum, Ammonia, Arsenic, Benzene, Butane, Cadmium, Carbon monoxide, Carbon dioxide, Chloroform, Cyanide, DDT/Dieldrin, Ethenol, Formaldehyde, Hydrogen cyanide, Lead, Methanol, Nicotine, Tar, Vinyl Chloride.

A good film to see is "The Insider" based on a true story.  The gist is that a cigarette company insider wants to blow the whistle on what the company is doing - putting all sorts of chemicals in to cigarettes to boost impact.

Cigarettes are a big soft-killer.  But to hell with anyone who tries to tell me what to do in my own home.
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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2011, 05:51:39 PM »

It wouldn't surprise me if they put MSG in all the big name cigarettes.

Spoke too soon.

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2011, 06:00:40 PM »

Here's what a "politician" is campaigning on in our town, right now:

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Ten years after the City implemented a ban on smoking inside bars, restaurants, workplaces, and other places, Cumberland Ward Councillor Stephen Blais thinks that it's time to tighten the rules again. He's calling for a change in the bylaw that would ban smoking in City parks, beaches, and only allow smokers to light up on outdoor patios after 8 p.m.

"There are a number of ways we can enforce it," Blais tells CFRA.

http://cfra.com/?cat=1&nid=80981
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2011, 06:48:25 PM »

Smoking should be illegal, PERIOD!

Why?, smoking should be by choice, by your way of thinking, Pepsi should be illegal, big macs should be illegal, potato chips should be illegal, you being on the internet should be illegal, the color blue should be illegal, see how stupid this could get?  "You're having Parmesan cheese on your spaghetti? Officer arrest that man"   CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL  Ok you do not like smoking I'm cool with that and respect that. Just stay away from smokers, we deserve same respect.  Chemtrails,  food additives and vaccines are damaging you a hell of a lot more than second hand smoke.
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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2011, 06:59:12 PM »

Why?, smoking should be by choice, by your way of thinking, Pepsi should be illegal, big macs should be illegal, potato chips should be illegal, you being on the internet should be illegal, the color blue should be illegal, see how stupid this could get?  "You're having Parmesan cheese on your spaghetti? Officer arrest that man"   CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL  Ok you do not like smoking I'm cool with that and respect that. Just stay away from smokers, we deserve same respect.  Chemtrails,  food additives and vaccines are damaging you a hell of a lot more than second hand smoke.

Nicely said! Control freaks are the enemy!

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How dare you think you “own” us, the people, or have the moral high-ground to impose your will on us. The true, north, strong and free is not just a slogan, and the “smoking issue” is not even about smoking: it’s about control. The monsters in power who feel it is their duty and right to impose their sense of righteousness on a free people have a long and despicable history and it is sad that you are obviously not aware of that history. How dare you even take office in a country such as ours, let alone propose such draconian filth with this kind of thinking. You need to read The Road To Serfdom and The Tyranny of Good Intentions. I also recommend the brilliant documentary called “The Soviet Story”. You have a lot of learning to do.

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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2011, 11:42:08 PM »

As long as I live, I will NEVER smoke a single cigarette!
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« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2011, 02:37:43 AM »


I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't do drugs, I am not overweight/addicted to food, I don't have sex, I don't gamble. I do not have ANY vices whatsoever!


Wow, life of the party, eh?

I hope you don't mind a "dirty" word every now and then, otherwise I'd find it difficult to believe you're actually human... for f**k's sake Tongue


By the way, proposing legislating taste (as you have in this thread) makes you a fascist.  Take offense if you want, but it's merely an observation.
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« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2011, 08:13:48 AM »

I think smokers are being targeted and vilified as the new leapers of the 21st century--to cause a distraction of sorts, not only to garner more control, but to also divide this country/world even further and pit non-smokers against smokers.  While all along they are chemtrailing us, putting poisons in our foods and water and telling us Big Pharma has the answers to help you stop your addictions.   Roll Eyes

Of course the worst people are the militant former smokers--who continues to be fooled by brainwashing techniques (junk science) to make their minds for them.

I have known people who have smoked all their lives (over 50 years) who died at ripped old ages (in their 90's), and they did not die of lung cancer as many are lead to believe smoking will ultimately do.

I am also lead to believe that smoking will prevent lung cancer by coating your lungs...but we already have a thread pointing these things out.
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« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2011, 10:56:31 AM »

Donnay... Under the guize of giving a twit about the people they push this smoking agenda.
             Its all about control, we can traverse the world and bomb 1/2 million into bits of meat, but don't smoke.
You are right about some of the ex smokers. Many years ago when there was no ban, a friend of mine was going to work on a trolley, drinking a coffe, reading his morning paper and having a smoke. A man in a suit, briefcase in hand said to (ordered)him, "put the cigarete out", my freind looked up at him and said nicely, sure if you say please, an went back to  reading his paper. The man put his brifecase on the floor and sucker punched my buddy.
             John Casey was my friends name, when the trolley stopped the cops were waiting, by that time John had whaled this guys arssse, he was knocked out on the floor. The cops asked around got witnesses and then asked John if he wanted to press charges, the guy was still on the floor knocked out cold.           John didn't press charges.
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« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2011, 11:10:29 PM »

This whole smoking issue has nothing to do with smoking at all.

It's about someone or some thing thinking it has the right to force you, or me, to do things. Licenses, taxes, forms, permits, applications, etc. And if you don't fall in line, they just take it one way or another.
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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2011, 04:17:22 AM »

The anti-smoking agenda will eventually lead to a wholescale assault on "unhealthy" foods using junk food as the scapegoat. The "fat tax" propagandists push the fat tax agenda like mad, and they make ZERO mention of corn subsidies or how aspartame, MSG, and HFCS wreck the body's metabolism and cause obesity. The bankster-funded shills' main talking points are "We need the fat tax! If you don't agree with me, then you work for the junk food industry!"...they also may as well say "HEY CONSPIRACY THEORIST! I WORK FOR THE BANKSTERS WHO CREATED THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC! WE'RE GONNA GET OUR BANKSTERS' FAT TAX AGENDA THROUGH! SHUT UP WITH YOUR OBESITY TRUTHER NONSENSE! NOBODY GIVES A DAMN THAT ASPARTAME, MSG, AND HFCS CAUSE OBESITY! THAT'S WHY WE SEND HOMELAND SECURITY TO SPY ON BLOGS WHICH REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT OBESITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE SEND PAID AGENT PROVOCATEURS ON FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE TO INCITE YOU JUST SO WE CAN SAY YOUR OBESITY TRUTH IS DOMESTIC TERRORISM! NOW SHUT UP, SLAVE!"

And what gets me is this: A drink which cause cancer - diet soda with aspartame - causes a whole host of neurological diseases including brain cancer, and it's legal. However, a NATURAL drink - raw milk - is banned because it contains "harmful" bacteria.

The so-called "food police" - who are called the "food police" - by Monsanto's Center for Consumer Freedom are not really "food police". They are Monsanto disinfo agents. The REAL"food police"/"food nazis" are the Rockefellers and the FDA and everybody who supported the unconstitutional raid against Rawesome Foods.
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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2011, 07:03:54 AM »

The anti-smoking agenda will eventually lead to a wholescale assault on "unhealthy" foods using junk food as the scapegoat. The "fat tax" propagandists push the fat tax agenda like mad, and they make ZERO mention of corn subsidies or how aspartame, MSG, and HFCS wreck the body's metabolism and cause obesity. The bankster-funded shills' main talking points are "We need the fat tax! If you don't agree with me, then you work for the junk food industry!"...they also may as well say "HEY CONSPIRACY THEORIST! I WORK FOR THE BANKSTERS WHO CREATED THE OBESITY EPIDEMIC! WE'RE GONNA GET OUR BANKSTERS' FAT TAX AGENDA THROUGH! SHUT UP WITH YOUR OBESITY TRUTHER NONSENSE! NOBODY GIVES A DAMN THAT ASPARTAME, MSG, AND HFCS CAUSE OBESITY! THAT'S WHY WE SEND HOMELAND SECURITY TO SPY ON BLOGS WHICH REVEAL THE TRUTH ABOUT OBESITY, AND THAT'S WHY WE SEND PAID AGENT PROVOCATEURS ON FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE TO INCITE YOU JUST SO WE CAN SAY YOUR OBESITY TRUTH IS DOMESTIC TERRORISM! NOW SHUT UP, SLAVE!"

And what gets me is this: A drink which cause cancer - diet soda with aspartame - causes a whole host of neurological diseases including brain cancer, and it's legal. However, a NATURAL drink - raw milk - is banned because it contains "harmful" bacteria.

The so-called "food police" - who are called the "food police" - by Monsanto's Center for Consumer Freedom are not really "food police". They are Monsanto disinfo agents. The REAL"food police"/"food nazis" are the Rockefellers and the FDA and everybody who supported the unconstitutional raid against Rawesome Foods.
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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2011, 07:24:42 AM »

Only educated and mature people such as myself know better not to smoke. Tobacco is another tool of the elites in controlling the masses and for causing disease and death.

Get out, go jogging, go sun yourself, exercise, drink water and eat healthy. Don't fall into the traps the establishment has laid out before you.
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2011, 07:52:29 AM »

Only educated and mature people such as myself know better not to smoke. Tobacco is another tool of the elites in controlling the masses and for causing disease and death.

Get out, go jogging, go sun yourself, exercise, drink water and eat healthy. Don't fall into the traps the establishment has laid out before you.
Hi G. Agreed, the point I beleive most folks are making is that this measure  is a slider into controll.
                 
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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2011, 08:04:01 AM »

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The anti-smoking agenda will eventually lead to a wholescale assault on "unhealthy" foods using junk food as the scapegoat.

I think one is different from the other.  I could care less how much carbs and fat you stuff in your own face.  I do however, care about the second hand smoke I would be taking in because smokers want to smoke inside public buildings.

And to the person in the other thread who said something along the lines of "what if a shop owner wants to allow smoking"... there are places like that, and I avoid them.  It's my choice.
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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2011, 08:26:02 AM »

Only educated and mature people such as myself know better not to smoke. Tobacco is another tool of the elites in controlling the masses and for causing disease and death.

Get out, go jogging, go sun yourself, exercise, drink water and eat healthy. Don't fall into the traps the establishment has laid out before you.

Excuse me?  So you know that tobacco is bad--you know this how, please enlighten us!  Did you ever think the answer is reversed--that tobacco may be a tool to help the people?  Did you ever think the PTB have an agenda, an agenda to depopulate 85% of this population and realized that smoking doesn't kill, but rather it helps and that they must do away with it so they can carry on their depopulation agenda?

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Smoking lowers Parkinson's disease risk - More evidence that smoking fights Parkinson - "A new study adds to the previously reported evidence that cigarette smoking protects against Parkinson's disease. Specifically, the new research shows a temporal relationship between smoking and reduced risk of Parkinson's disease. That is, the protective effect wanes after smokers quit."
   

Impact of Smoking on Clinical and Angiographic Restenosis After Percutaneous Coronary Intervention– This large study shows yet another benefit of smoking. This time the benefit concerns restenosis, that is, the occlusion of coronary arteries. Smokers have much better chances to survive, heal and do well. Where is the press? Nowhere to be found, of course; we are talking about a significant positive about tobacco and smoking, which affects the health of people, don’t we? Well, come on! We are also talking about responsible media, here… people better increase their chances of death from cardiovascular disease then getting the idea that smoking may be good for them – a totally unacceptable paradox.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines paradox in these terms: "A statement or tenet contrary to received opinion or belief … as being discordant with what is held to be established truth, and hence absurd or fantastic". Since the benefits of smoking are too numerous and consistent to be attributable to error or random chance, it follows that the established truth asserting that smoking is the cause of (almost) all disease cannot be true – a reality that dramatically clashes with the gigantic corruption of public health, its pharmaceutical and insurance mentors, institutions and media. Therefore, it is constantly suppressed in the interest of public health, but not of the people.
   
Severe Gum Recession, Less Of A Risk For Smokers -  In the strange world that anti-tobacco has wrought, any research that deviates from the tobacco-is-the-root-of-all-evil template is noteworthy.  Here is a study that shows that smokers are actually at lower risk from gum disease. In this page (scroll down) there is more scientific evidence from other sources about oral health and smoking.

Honest scientists have always known that smoking has some benefit.  From the apparent shielding effect against Parkinson's and Alzheimer's diseases to the more intangible benefits associated with well-being and tranquility, smoking tobacco in many ways is definitely good for your health.
   
One of the "Health Warnings" on cigarette pack in Canada. There is no solid proof for any of the diseases attributed to tobacco - just statistics and speculative associations, but the ministries of health continue to lie to the public, in a dazzling display of intellectual, professional, moral and political corruption.
   
Twin Study Supports Protective Effect of Smoking For Parkinson's Disease – "Dr. Tanner's group continued to see significant differences when dose was calculated until 10 years or 20 years prior to diagnosis. They conclude that this finding refutes the suggestion that individuals who smoke more are less likely to have PD because those who develop symptoms quit smoking." "‘The inverse association of smoking dose and PD can be attributed to environmental, and not genetic, causes with near certainty," the authors write.’

Total silence from the antismoking mass media droids, of course, on this pivotal, long-range study that shows yet another benefit of smoking. The reasons are obvious, and they need no further comments. If the intention of "public health" is to inform the public about the consequences of smoking on health as it proclaims, why don’t we see "warnings" such as: "Smoking Protects against Parkinson’s Disease," or "Smoking protects against Alzheimer’s Disease," or "Smoking protects against Ulcerative Colitis" and so on, alongside with the other speculations on "tobacco-related" disease? Isn’t the function of public health to tell the citizens about ALL the effects on health of a substance? Obviously not. "Public health," today, is nothing more than a deceiving propaganda machine paid by pharmaceutical and public money to promote frauds, fears, and puritanical rhetoric dressed up in white coats.
   

Does tobacco smoke prevent atopic disorders? A study of two generations of Swedish residents - "In a multivariate analysis, children of mothers who smoked at least 15 cigarettes a day tended to have lower odds for suffering from allergic rhino-conjunctivitis, allergic asthma, atopic eczema and food allergy, compared to children of mothers who had never smoked (ORs 0.6-0.7). Children of fathers who had smoked at least 15 cigarettes a day had a similar tendency (ORs 0.7-0.9)."

Kids of smokers have LOWER asthma! You certainly won't see this one on the health news of BBC or ABC, as they are too busy trying to convince us that smokers "cause" asthma in their kids - and in the kids of others. That, of course, is not true, as smoking does not "cause" asthma.
   
Shocker: 'Villain' nicotine slays TB - "Nicotine might be a surprising alternative someday for treating stubborn forms of tuberculosis, a University of Central Florida researcher said Monday. The compound stopped the growth of tuberculosis in laboratory tests, even when used in small quantities, said Saleh Naser, an associate professor of microbiology and molecular biology at UCF. ... Most scientists agree that nicotine is the substance that causes people to become addicted to cigarettes and other tobacco products."

"… But no one is suggesting that people with TB take up the potentially deadly habit of smoking." Of course not.It is much better to develop medication-resistant superbugs than to start smoking...It should be said that the "most scientists" in question are paid off by the pharmaceutical industry for their research; and that most of the aforementioned "scientists" promote the nicotine-based "cessation" products manufactured by their masters -- mysteriously without explaining why such an addictive substance becomes "un-addictive" when used to quit smoking!

Carbon Monoxide May Alleviate Heart Attacks And Stroke -  Carbon monoxide is a by-product of tobacco smoke.  A report indicates  very low levels of carbon monoxide may help victims of heart attacks and strokes.  Carbon monoxide inhibits blood clotting, thereby dissolving harmful clots in the arteries.  The researchers focused on carbon monoxide's close resemblance to nitric oxide which keeps blood vessels from dilating and prevents the buildup of white blood cells.  "Recently nitric oxide has been elevated from a common air pollutant . . . to an [internal] second messenger of utmost physiological importance. Therefore, many of us may not be entirely surprised to learn that carbon monoxide can paradoxically rescue the lung from [cardiovascular blockage] injury."   The pharmacological benefits of tobacco are nothing new. 

Smoking Prevents Rare Skin Cancer - A researcher at the National Cancer Institute is treading treacherous waters by suggesting that smoking may act as a preventative for developing a skin cancer that primarily afflicts elderly men in Mediterranean regions of Southern Italy, Greece and Israel.  Not that smoking should be recommended for that population, Dr. James Goedert is quick to assure his peers.  What is important is not that smoking tobacco may help to prevent a rare form of cancer but that there is an admission by a researcher at the National Cancer Institute that there are ANY benefits to smoking.
   
Smoking Reduces The Risk Of Breast Cancer - A new study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute (May 20, 1998) reports that carriers of a particular gene mutation (which predisposes the carrier to breast cancer) who smoked cigarettes for more than 4 pack years (i.e., number of packs per day multiplied by the number of years of smoking) were found to have a statistically significant 54 percent decrease in breast cancer incidence when compared with carriers who never smoked. One strength of the study is that the reduction in incidence exceeds the 50 percent threshold. However, we think it important to point out that this was a small, case control study (only 300 cases) based on self-reported data.
   
Nitric oxide mediates a therapeutic effect of nicotine in ulcerative colitis - "CONCLUSIONS: Nicotine reduces circular muscle activity, predominantly through the release of nitric oxide-this appears to be 'up-regulated' in active ulcerative colitis. These findings may explain some of the therapeutic benefit from nicotine (and smoking) in ulcerative colitis and may account for the colonic motor dysfunction in active disease."

Effects of Transdermal Nicotine on Cognitive Performance in Down's Syndrome - "We investigated the effect of nicotine-agonistic stimulation with 5 mg transdermal patches, compared with placebo, on cognitive performance in five adults with the disorder. Improvements possibly related to attention and information processing were seen for Down's syndrome patients compared with healthy controls. Our preliminary findings are encouraging…"

More benefits of nicotine. Of course, it is politically incorrect to say that this is a benefit of smoking - only of the pharmaceutically-produced transdermal nicotine, the one that is terribly addictive if delivered through cigarettes, but not addictive at all, and even beneficial, when delivered through patches....
Antismoking nonsense aside, nicotine gets into the body regardless of the means of delivery. And more evidence about the benefis seems to emerge quite often, though the small size of this study cannot certainly be taken as conclusive.

Nicotine Benefits - The benefits of nicotine -- and smoking -- are described in this bibliography. This information is an example of what the anti-tobacco groups do not want publicized because it fails to support their agenda. Some of the studies report benefits not just from nicotine, but from smoking itself.  But of course, according to the anti-smokers, all these scientists have been "paid by the tobacco industry" ... even though this is not true.  Sadly, personal slander and misinformation are the price a scientist has to pay for honest work on tobacco.

Parkinson's Disease Is Associated With Non-smoking - Bibliography of references from studies associating Parkinson's disease with non-smoking. Certain benefits of smoking are well-documented, but the anti smoking groups, backed by several medical journals (more interested in advertising revenue than in informing the population), are silent. By the way, what about the cost of non-smokers to society due to their prevailing tencency to contract Parkinson's disease?

Alzheimer's Disease Is Associated With Non-Smoking - "A statistically significant inverse relation between smoking and Alzheimer's disease was observed at all levels of analysis, with a trend towards decreasing risk with increasing consumption".

Research indicating that nicotine holds potential for non-surgical heart by-pass procedures honored by the american college of cardiology - Dr. Christopher Heeschen of Stanford University was honored by the American College of Cardiology for his research on the effect of nicotine on angiogenesis (new blood vessel growth). His work took third place in the 2,000 entry Young Investigators Competition in the category of Physiology, Pharmacology and Pathology.  Dr. Heeschen presented compelling data from research done at Stanford revealing that the simple plant protein, nicotine, applied in small harmless doses, produced new blood vessel growth around blocked arteries to oxygen-starved tissue.

Smoking Your Way to Good Health - The benefits of smoking tobacco have been common knowledge for centuries.  From sharpening mental acuity to maintaining optimal weight, the relatively small risks of smoking have always been outweighed by the substantial improvement to mental and physical health.  Hysterical attacks on tobacco notwithstanding, smokers always weigh the good against the bad and puff away or quit according to their personal preferences.

Now the same anti-tobacco enterprise that has spent billions demonizing the pleasure of smoking is providing additional reasons to smoke.  Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Tourette's Syndrome, even schizophrenia and cocaine addiction are disorders that are alleviated by tobacco.  Add in the still inconclusive indication that tobacco helps to prevent colon and prostate cancer and the endorsement for smoking tobacco by the medical establishment is good news for smokers and non-smokers alike. Of course the revelation that tobacco is good for you is ruined by the pharmaceutical industry's plan to substitute the natural and relatively inexpensive tobacco plant with their overpriced and ineffective nicotine substitutions.  Still, when all is said and done, the positive revelations regarding tobacco are very good reasons indeed to keep lighting those cigarettes.
   
Does maternal smoking hinder mother-child transmission of Helicobacter pylori infection? - "Evidence for early childhood as the critical period of Helicobacter pylori infection and for clustering of the infection within families suggests a major role of intrafamilial transmission. In a previous study, we found a strong inverse relation between maternal smoking and H. pylori infection among preschool children, suggesting the possibility that mother-child transmission of the infection may be less efficient if the mother smokes. To evaluate this hypothesis further, we carried out a subsequent population-based study in which H. pylori infection was measured by 13C-urea breath test in 947 preschool children and their mothers. We obtained detailed information on potential risk factors for infection, including maternal smoking, by standardized questionnaires. Overall, 9.8% (93 of 947) of the children and 34.7% (329 of 947) of the mothers were infected. Prevalence of infection was much lower among children of uninfected mothers (1.9%) than among children of infected mothers (24.7%). There was a strong inverse relation of children's infection with maternal smoking (adjusted odds ratio = 0.24; 95% confidence interval = 0.12-0.49) among children of infected mothers, but not among children of uninfected mothers. These results support the hypothesis of a predominant role for mother-child transmission of H. pylori infection, which may be less efficient if the mother smokes. ". Click here for more information on smoking and pregnancy.
   
Risk of papillary thyroid cancer in women in relation to smoking and alcohol consumption. - "Both smoking and alcohol consumption may influence thyroid function, although the nature of these relations is not well understood. We examined the influence of tobacco and alcohol use on risk of papillary thyroid cancer in a population-based case-control study. Of 558 women with thyroid cancer diagnosed during 1988-1994 identified as eligible, 468 (83.9%) were interviewed; this analysis was restricted to women with papillary histology (N = 410). Controls (N = 574) were identified by random digit dialing, with a response proportion of 73.6%. We used logistic regression to calculate odds ratios (OR) and associated confidence intervals (CI) estimating the relative risk of papillary thyroid cancer associated with cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption. A history of ever having smoked more than 100 cigarettes was associated with a reduced risk of disease (OR = 0.7, 95% CI = 0.5-0.9). This reduction in risk was most evident in current smokers (OR = 0.5, 95% CI = 0.4-0.7).
Women who reported that they had ever consumed 12 or more alcohol-containing drinks within a year were also at reduced risk (OR 0.7, 95% CI = 0.5-1.0). Similar to the association noted with smoking, the reduction in risk was primarily present among current alcohol consumers. The associations we observed, if not due to chance, may be related to actions of cigarette smoking and alcohol consumption that reduce thyroid cell proliferation through effects on thyroid stimulating hormone, estrogen, or other mechanisms. "
   
Urinary Cotinine Concentration Confirms the Reduced Risk of Preeclampsia with Tobacco Exposure - This study, though small, shows one of the benefits of smoking during pregnancy. "These findings, obtained by using laboratory assay, confirm the reduced risk of developing preeclampsia with tobacco exposure. (Am J Obstet Gynecol 1999;181:1192-6.) "  Click here for more information on smoking and pregnancy.
   
Fact Sheet on Smoking and Alzheimer's - From Forest UK.
   
Smokers have reduced risks of Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease - Of the 19 studies, 15 found a reduce risk in smokers, and none found an increased risk. And smoking is clearly associated with a reduced risk of Parkinson's disease, another disease in which nicotine receptors are reduced. The fact that acute administration of nicotine improves attention and information processing in AD patients adds further plausibility to the hypothesis.
   
The Puzzling Association between Smoking and Hypertension during Pregnancy - This large study has examined nearly 10,000 pregnant women. Conclusion: "Smoking is associated with a reduced risk of hypertension during pregnancy. The protective effect appears to continue even after cessation of smoking. Further basic research on this issue is warranted. (Am J Obstet Gynecol 1999;181:1407-13.) " Click here for more information on smoking and pregnancy.
   
Smoking: Protection Against Neural Tube Defects? - Swedish researchers have some surprising news for pregnant women who smoke: a decreased risk of neural tube defects in babies. Click here for more information on smoking and pregnancy.
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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2011, 08:51:53 AM »

Hi G. Agreed, the point I beleive most folks are making is that this measure  is a slider into controll.
                 

My stepfather is almost 60 years old and he has been smoking non-stop, every single day for 40 years. It's his grave he's digging.

I am going to be the last surviving member of my family.
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2011, 09:03:11 AM »

My stepfather is almost 60 years old and he has been smoking non-stop, every single day for 40 years. It's his grave he's digging.

I am going to be the last surviving member of my family.

I suppose if he is 60 years old, then the odds are better than even, you will outlive him!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2011, 09:19:01 AM »

My stepfather is almost 60 years old and he has been smoking non-stop, every single day for 40 years. It's his grave he's digging.

I am going to be the last surviving member of my family.

My dad never smoked, ate healthy and exercised regularly, got diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, went three weeks later at age 52.
There are around a million things to kill you and fast, so stop worrying and trying to outlive bedrock, life is just a ride enjoy it.
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