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Offline tritonman

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Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« on: August 01, 2011, 03:15:36 PM »
Will he be willing to step up to the plate on this one.  He has the ability to stop this does he not? ;)

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2011, 03:16:40 PM »
im gonna say no, no he wont.
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2011, 03:20:11 PM »
I would have to agree but, a guy can dream that at least one person had a pair up there. ;D

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2011, 03:21:34 PM »
I would have to agree but, a guy can dream that at least one person had a pair up there. ;D

you cant trust any of them.
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2011, 03:25:38 PM »
To filibuster at this stage of the game would be suicide, figuratively and literally.  He would forever become that guy who sent the U.S. into depression (even though we know it would not be the case and we are already there...).

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2011, 03:27:56 PM »
To filibuster at this stage of the game would be suicide, figuratively and literally.  He would forever become that guy who sent the U.S. into depression (even though we know it would not be the case and we are already there...).

he would forever be know as the guy who stood up for his principles. but he wont. and it will pass the house as well.
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2011, 03:28:33 PM »
Utah Mike Lee said on CNN, see Drudge Report, that he would fillibust to force 60 precent to over turn him.  
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2011, 03:31:43 PM »
Utah Mike Lee said on CNN, see Drudge Report, that he would fillibust to force 60 precent to over turn him.  
Time will tell if he will o r not, we will soon know.

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2011, 03:34:46 PM »
Time will tell if he will o r not, we will soon know.

he will wuss out also.
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2011, 03:37:53 PM »
he will wuss out also.

Watch the video I not sure he will, and knowing Mike a bit he may do it.
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2011, 03:45:47 PM »
he would forever be know as the guy who stood up for his principles. but he wont. and it will pass the house as well.

Agreed, to us, the informed, he would.  I was speaking about the MSM.

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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2011, 03:52:44 PM »
Agreed, to us, the informed, he would.  I was speaking about the MSM.

oh well they'd fry him.
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2011, 03:54:19 PM »
oh well they'd fry him.
And he should indeed be fried if he stands by and refuses to act.  But that will not happen either unfortunately.  Hypocracy runs very deep.

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2011, 03:56:45 PM »
we are not allowed to hold people accountable for their actions. That just wouldnt be right.  >:(
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2011, 04:06:23 PM »
FYI, we'll find out in less than 8 hours.

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2011, 06:43:38 PM »
CNN’s Don Lemon And Sen. Rand Paul Clash Over The Tea Party’s Role In The Debt Crisis

After proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Reid bill and having it struck down, Sen. Rand Paul sat down with Don Lemon to explain what was happening on the floor and what compromises he was up for making. Lemon was in a curt mood, it seems, as weeks have gone by and the debt deadline looms with little to no visible progress occurring. The two had a contentious exchange as Sen. Paul tried to explain he did have the will to compromise when Lemon questioned what it would take.

“Let’s just do the interview without talking points– let’s just talk to each other,” Lemon began, though followed up with a barbed question: “Democrats and Republicans are both pointing fingers at you. What will make you and the Tea Party happy?” Sen. Paul immediately made a correction to his introduction: “In your lead, you said I rejected both plans. I actually accepted both plans… with an amendment.” Sen. Paul had proposed a balanced budget amendment which gained no traction in exchange for his vote. “I think that’s a very reasonable position,” he offered.

The launched an uncomfortable back and forth in which Lemon repeated asked how he had voted on the House bill, until Lemon moved on, with another tough question– whether Sen. Paul worried that voting against the bill would be “overreaching” that would make him “lose respect and clout.” At this point the conversation gets heated enough that Lemon has to remind the senator to “please be respectful here,” while an indignant Sen. Paul later argued that “there is no reason to default” and that the President “should have taken default off the table” rather than promote it. Either way, “we have plenty of tax revenue to pay the interest on our debt.”

“You know know,” Lemon interrupted, “that the public is really frustrated now and they don’t really know what’s going on.” He asked Rep. Paul whether he “felt” that the people were upset. Lemon cut him off at the beginning of his answer, to which Sen. Paul shouted “you keep interrupting the middle of my answer!” Eventually, the Senator told Lemon that “I think we’re having trouble understanding each other,” with the interview ending on a note of agreement: both sides want to see a solution, fast.

The segment via CNN below:

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2011, 08:56:10 AM »
Thanks Dok,
Wish I had been there to cheer on Sen. Paul...I can't imagine being one of a very few, going around day after day in the lions den, with a pork chop hanging around my neck.  It takes a special kind of person, with an iron Will.

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Re: Rand Paul OPEN LETTER! Adds at least $7 trillion to our debt
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2011, 11:32:33 AM »
Open Letter: Why I Oppose the Debt Ceiling Compromise
Rand Paul


Today Sen. Rand Paul issued an open letter on the subject of the debt ceiling compromise facing the Senate. Below is that letter.

To paraphrase Senator Jim DeMint: When you're speeding toward the edge of a cliff, you don't set the cruise control. You stop the car. The current deal to raise the debt ceiling doesn't stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. At best, it slows us from going over it at 80 mph to going over it at 60 mph.

This plan never balances. The President called for a "balanced approach." But the American people are calling for a balanced budget.

This deal does nothing to fix the overreaches of both parties over the past few years: Obamacare, TARP, trillion-dollar wars, runaway entitlement spending. They are all cemented into place with this deal, and their legacy will be trillions of dollars in new debt.

 
The deal that is pending before us now:

Adds at least $7 trillion to our debt over the next 10 years. The deal purports to "cut" $2.1 trillion, but the "cut" is from a baseline that adds $10 trillion to the debt. This deal, even if all targets are met and the Super Committee wields its mandate - results in a BEST case scenario of still adding more than $7 trillion more in debt over the next 10 years. That is sickening.

Never, ever balances.

The Super Committee's mandate is to add $7 trillion in new debt.
Let's be clear: $2.1 trillion in reductions off a nearly $10 trillion,10-year debt is still more than $7 trillion in debt. The Super Committee limits the constitutional check of the filibuster by expediting passage of bills with a simple majority. The Super Committee is not precluded from any issue, therefore the filibuster could be rendered most. In addition, the plan harms the possible passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment. Since the goal is never to balance, having the BBA as a "trigger" ensures that the committee will simply report its $1.2 trillion deficit reduction plan and never move to a BBA vote.

It cuts too slowly. Even if you believe cutting $2.1 trillion out of $10 trillion is a good compromise, surely we can start cutting quickly, say $200 billion-$300 billion per year, right? Wrong. This plan so badly backloads the alleged savings that the cuts are simply meaningless. Why do we believe that the goal of $2.5 trillion over 10 years (that's an average of $250 billion per year) will EVER be met if the first two years cuts are $20 billion and $50 billion. There is simply no path in this bill even to the meager savings they are alleging will take place.
 
Buried in the details of this bill is the automatic debt limit increase proposed a few weeks ago. The second installment of the debt ceiling increase is initiated by the President automatically and can only be stopped by a two-thirds vote of Congress. This shifts the Constitutional check on borrowing from Congress to the President and makes it easier to raise the debt ceiling. Despite claims to the contrary, none of the triggers in this bill include withholding the second limit increase.

Credit rating agencies have clearly stated the type of so-called cuts envisioned in this plan will result in our AAA bond rating being downgraded. Ironically then, the only way to avoid our debt being downgraded and the resulting economic problems that stem from that is for this bill to fail.

This plan does not solve our problem. Not even close. I cannot abide the destruction of our economy, therefore I vigorously oppose this deal and I urge my colleagues and the American people to do the same.

 Sincerely,

Rand Paul, M.D.

United States Senator

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2011, 12:01:35 PM »
Rand Paul is a true Patriot. This deal is a sham that just further buries this country in a mountain of insurmountable debt and does nothing to solve the true problem which is the exponential expansion of our national debt not the debt ceiling. The United States would have never defaulted. This deal all buy guarantees our credit rating will be dropped in the very near future. In fact that has already begun today with the Independent Chinese credit rating agency which lowered the US creditworthiness today for the second time in a year.

http://www.nwcn.com/news/business/Chinese-independent-credit-agency-downgrades-US-twice-126580428.html

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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2011, 12:02:13 PM »
They are voting now, so no fillibuster.
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Re: Rand Paul Fillibuster????
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2011, 12:05:49 PM »
They are voting now, so no filibuster.

like somebody said earlier to filibuster now would have been political suicide.

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 12:08:07 PM »
like somebody said earlier to filibuster now would have been political suicide.

or the greatest politacal move in history../.
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2011, 12:08:43 PM »
would have been the bravest political move that is for damn sure, but i heard they had the 60 votes necessary that would have ended the filibuster

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2011, 12:49:57 PM »
Problem, reaction, solution all over again.
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