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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2014, 12:21:51 PM »

Just what those artists meant to depict is unclear. Some of the petroglyphs may represent clouds and lightning, others are diamond- shaped, and there are some patterns that might represent trees. Whatever the inspiration for the carvings, the Pyramid Lake Paiute Tribe, which owns the Winnemucca Lake basin, considers them sacred to this day.

http://hyperallergic.com/79044/researchers-discover-the-oldest-petroglyphs-in-north-america/

Petroglyphs in western Nevada have been identified as the oldest of their kind in North America. Researchers at the University of Colorado Boulder conducted a study that dates the rock carvings to between 10,500 and 14,800 years ago.



Two images trace the shapes of some of the petroglyphs more clearly and show their relative size (click to enlarge)


Umm, if those photos are real, then theres a shitload that needs explanation.

In Photo B, those for sure are benzene rings in a chemical structure:






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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2014, 12:52:47 PM »
Now that I have thought about it, I think it means this:


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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2014, 02:30:29 PM »
http://biblehub.com/daniel/12-4.htm
Daniel 12:4

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2014, 02:37:09 PM »
bloody hell i thought they went extinct.

thanks for the info.

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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2014, 03:27:21 PM »
 The bible goes back about 2000 years, more accurately a bit less.
 According to the finds that have leaked   mankinds history is over 14,000 old.
 I'll bet a pint of my blood those in high places, elites, clandestine collectors, etc were well aware of this.
 This challenges the concepts we have been force fed.
 

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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2014, 03:52:32 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enzaao300M0 (Secrets of Prometheus Film Leaked)



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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2014, 10:01:20 PM »
Windover Bog Florida - Cacasoid skulls - 8000-10000 bc - mtdna Halogroup X - proto European - uh oh ...
( Understand Caucasoid skulls are Proto-European - does Not mean Caucasian 

So you don't hear much about this major find anymore!!! The skulls are obviously Caucasoid - yet they are NEVER described as such!!! Also when they start looking at the mtDNA Halogroup X , which at first was considered proto European , the history correctors came along and found obscure places that would fit where halogroup X was also found, mucking up the works,,,,

I am also going to post in this thread the story of the Stone Age Atlantis in Europe - Doggerland !!!



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW_qutaoYwY
Ancient Florida Bog Mummies
Published on Sep 23, 2012 
Caucasian  mummies were found in Florida's Windover Bog. The mummies dated to be over 7000 years old.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYZe7QfCPh0
Ancient CAUCASIAN Bog Mummies Found in Windover Florida - LABORATORY PROVEN EUROPEAN DNA
Published on Dec 9, 2013 

This clip is from a Science Channel documentary. The DNA tests performed here are European results, as the scientist says clearly on camera. These are not to be confused with the more world famous bog mummies in Europe, as these are from the state of FLORIDA. More than likely prehistoric in age as well. Location is Windover Bog.

http://www.gavinmenzies.net/Evidence/chapter-17-stone-age-sailors-%E2%80%93-the-%E2%80%9Cwindover-bog%E2%80%9D-people-of-florida/
Chapter 17 – Stone Age Sailors – The “Windover Bog” people of Florida
Posted on October 3, 2013   

The Windover bog cemetery was discovered in 1982 when a backhoe operator discovered human bones whilst digging in black peat from the bottom of a pond. DNA testing of the first sample piece showed an age of 7,330 years, plus or minus 100 years, and the second showed an age of 7210 years, plus or minus 100 years. DNA samples prove the bodies to be of European origin. Separate DNA studies corroborate European migrations to the Americas in 7000B.C. – notably the research by Maere Reidla regarding the X2 haplotype.


http://www.nbbd.com/godo/history/windover/


THE WINDOVER ARCHAEOLOGICAL RESEARCH PROJECT

When the 3-year-old died, her parents placed her favorite toys in her arms, wrapped her in fabric woven from fibers of native plants, and buried her body in the soft, muck bottom of a small pond. Some 7,000 years later, when a young archaeologist uncovered her tiny remains, the toys--a wooden pestle-shaped object and the carapace of a small turtle--were still cradled in her arms. Most remarkable was the state of preservation of the child's bones and her toys, and the remains of some 167 other individuals and numerous artifacts found in that small pond in Windover Farms subdivision. The pond is about one mile southeast of the intersection of Highway 50 and I-95 and just outside the Titusville city limits where, today, a child's favorite toy may be a model of the space shuttle.
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TODAY     

The State of Florida allocated nearly a million dollars for excavation and preservation, but now, a wealth of information lies cataloged and boxed at Florida State University because the state cannot provide additional funds for research. Additional research could tell much about the native Americans who lived near a small pond 4,000 years before Christ was born and 2,000 years before the pyramids were built or ceramics came into existence

http://www.pbs.org/saf/1406/features/dna2.htm
Tracing the Genes
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MtDNA mutates at a certain predictable rate - it's like a clock ticking, but with the clock recording every tick. So it's possible to judge when distant populations originally diverged, based on how different the mtDNA they have today is. If a group of people splits up, some going east and some going west, mtDNA mutations found in the east but not the west likely originated after the group diverged. Count up the mutations and - knowing the rate at which they would have occurred - you can figure out when the family tree branched off. "You literally have a genetic clock," explained Douglas Wallace, a professor of molecular medicine at the University of California, Irvine.

Scientists categorize mtDNA into a number of so-called haplogroups, based on their similarities and differences. You can think of them as like blood types - they don't affect the way you live, but they can be identified at the molecular level.

Map of various haplotypes

MitochondrialDNA (mtDNA) haplogroup testing led to the surprising hypothesis that some of the first Americans came from Europe thousands of years ago.
 

The conventional wisdom to explain the peopling of the Americas is that migrants crossed from northeast Asia to Alaska around 13,000 years ago to become the ancestors of today's Native Americans. But mtDNA analysis has revealed some unexpected links between Europe and North America. When scientists analyzed the mtDNA of a broad sample of living Native Americans, they found that about 97 percent had mtDNA from haplogroups A, B, C or D. These haplogroups are all present in modern day Siberia and Asia, so it makes sense that the forefathers of those Native Americans came from those regions. But the surprise was that about 3 percent of the Native Americans tested had mtDNA from a different haplogroup, called X. Some populations, such as the Ojibwa from the Great Lakes region, have a high concentration of X - 25 percent.

How did haplogroup X get to North America? Some X has been found in Mongolia, but it's definitely not common in modern Asia. It can, however, be found in about 4 percent of the present day European population. Genetic anthropologists suggest that the presence of X in North America points to an early migration westward from Europe. By looking at the various mutations within haplogroup X, scientists are able to use that "genetic clock" to estimate when those early Europeans would have arrived. Depending on how large a group they assume headed west, they come up with two time ranges - either between 36,000 and 23,000 years ago or between 17,000 and 12,000 years ago.

X definitely did not arrive in America with the European explorers of the last 500 years or so. European X and American X are different enough that scientists say they must have diverged thousands of years ago, long before the age of exploration introduced European genes to the New World. Scientists have also done some testing on pre-Columbian Native American skeletal remains from before 1300, and found haplogroup X in the same proportion it's present in modern Native American populations.

There's more work to do on mtDNA, in both the Americas and Asia. Critics argue that people with haplogroup X could have migrated eastward from Europe to Asia and then across the Beringia land bridge; their descendents in Asia could have subsequently died out [ yeah RIGHT that fixes it!]  , so we don't see their traces in modern populations. Scientists hope to answer this question by sequencing the Mongolian haplogroup X mtDNA to see if it's an intermediate form between European X and Native American X
 
8000 year old Proto-European - Dark Skinned Blue Eyed ,,,,

http://news.sciencemag.org/archaeology/2014/01/how-farming-reshaped-our-genomes
How Farming Reshaped Our Genomes
26 January 2014
 

The face of a forager. This 8000-year-old hunter-gatherer found in a Spanish cave had dark skin and blue eyes.

Before farming began to spread across Europe some 8500 years ago, the continent’s occupants were hunter-gatherers. They were unable to digest starch and milk, according to a new ancient DNA study of a nearly 8000-year-old human skeleton from Spain. But these original occupants did already possess immune defenses against some of the diseases that would later become the scourge of civilization, and they apparently had dark skin. The findings are helping researchers understand what genetic and biological changes humans went through as they made the transition from hunting and gathering to farming.
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One surprise is that the La Braña man had dark skin and blue eyes, a combination rarely seen in modern Europeans. Although today’s southern Europeans tend to be somewhat darker than their northern counterparts, they are still relatively light-skinned compared with Africans, an adaptation often linked to the need to absorb more sunlight and so produce adequate amounts of vitamin D. That this feature of the La Braña skeleton might have been widely shared and not just a one-off is also suggested by recent findings, as yet unpublished but posted online in preliminary form, that other European hunter-gatherers also had dark skin and blue eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TJH70aDctE
Racial Differences In Skull Shapes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalic_index#Use_in_human_anthropology

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Re: Mystery Humans - Lord of the Rings type World
« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2014, 01:05:40 PM »
Doggerland - a land the size of California that existed during the Ice Age when the oceans were 200 feet lower , The People here FISHED and MADE BOATS , and they HUNTED, all 15-6.5 thousand years ago....

http://www.nextnature.net/2009/04/mapping-a-lost-world/


Doggerland – Mapping a lost world

So you think climate change is new? So you think the flooding of landmass by the oceans is a new? So you must have not heard of the times when people walked from London to Amsterdam.

Doggerland is the name of a vast plain that joined Britain to Europe for nearly 12,000 years, until sea levels began rising dramatically after the last Ice Age. Taking its name from a prominent shipping hazard—
Dogger Bank—this immense landbridge vanished beneath the North Sea around 6000 B.C
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According to Vince Gaffney, a landscape archaeologist at the University of Birmingham, UK, who along with his colleagues Simon Fitch and the late Ken Thomson, Gaffney established the mapping project to outline the terrain of Doggerland, the transformation of Doggerland in only a few thousand years from a harsh tundra into a fertile paradise, and eventually into the northern European landscape that we know today, “put human adaptability to the test”

Indeed, that may sound familiar in our times of  human caused climate change.

The image below shows a satellite photo of Western Europe as it was 10.000 years ago. No need to say this is a speculative re-engineered rendering, as there obviously were no satellites circling the globe at the time.



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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2167731/Britains-Atlantis-North-sea--huge-undersea-kingdom-swamped-tsunami-5-500-years-ago.html

'Britain's Atlantis' found at bottom of North sea - a huge undersea world swallowed by the sea in 6500BC

Divers have found traces of ancient land swallowed by waves 8500 years ago
Doggerland once stretched from Scotland to Denmark
Rivers seen underwater by seismic scans
Britain was not an island - and area under North Sea was roamed by mammoths and other giant animals

Described as the 'real heartland' of Europe
Had population of tens of thousands - but devastated by sea level rises

By Rob Waugh
PUBLISHED: 18:32 EST, 2 July 2012

'Britain's Atlantis' - a hidden underwater world swallowed by the North Sea - has been discovered by divers working with science teams from the University of St Andrews.
Doggerland, a huge area of dry land that stretched from Scotland to Denmark was slowly submerged by water between 18,000 BC and 5,500 BC.
Divers from oil companies have found remains of a 'drowned world' with a population of tens of thousands - which might once have been the 'real heartland' of Europe.
A team of climatologists, archaeologists and geophysicists has now mapped the area using new data from oil companies - and revealed the full extent of a 'lost land' once roamed by mammoths.


The research suggests that the populations of these drowned lands could have been tens of thousands, living in an area that stretched from Northern Scotland across to Denmark and down the English Channel as far as the Channel Islands.
The area was once the ‘real heartland’ of Europe and was hit by ‘a devastating tsunami', the researchers claim.
The wave was part of a larger process that submerged the low-lying area over the course of thousands of years.

'The name was coined for Dogger Bank, but it applies to any of several periods when the North Sea was land,' says Richard Bates of the University of St Andrews. 'Around 20,000 years ago, there was a 'maximum' - although part of this area would have been covered with ice. When the ice melted, more land was revealed - but the sea level also rose.

'Through a lot of new data from oil and gas companies, we’re able to give form to the landscape - and make sense of the mammoths found out there, and the reindeer. We’re able to understand the types of people who were there.

'People seem to think rising sea levels are  a new thing - but it’s a cycle of Earth history that has happened many many times.'

Organised by Dr Richard Bates of the Department of Earth Sciences at St Andrews, the Drowned Landscapes exhibit reveals the human story behind Doggerland, a now submerged area of the North Sea that was once larger than many modern European countries. 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq_FBH36seI
Swedish divers unearth STONE AGE ATLANTIS under Baltic Sea
Published on Jan 27, 2014  

Divers in Sweden have discovered a rare collection of Stone Age artefacts buried beneath the Baltic sea...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EQbxjvvnPE&list=PL9414E767086EBB50
Stone Age Atlantis 1-7

Uploaded on Mar 14, 2011 

Stone Age Atlantis: Once, the idea of a lost world under the sea was the stuff of legend, but now scientists are rediscovering a sunken land and piecing together the lives of the people who lived there. In Northern Europe, a huge area known as Doggerland disappeared beneath the waves and has remained underwater ever since. But evidence of this lost land is starting to emerge. In this two-hour special, learn why archaeologists believe Stone Age Europeans lived on this land and pioneered an advanced culture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P9wQj6qX2I
Time Team Special 31 (2007) - Britain's Drowned World

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbuOfz_M9ZM
Hidden Histories: Welcome to Doggerland!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland

Doggerland is a name given by archaeologists and geologists to a former landmass in the southern North Sea that connected the island of Great Britain to mainland Europe during and after the last Ice Age, surviving until about 6,500 or 6,200 BCE and then gradually being flooded by rising sea levels. Geological surveys have suggested that Doggerland was a large area of dry land that stretched from Britain's east coast across to the present coast of the Netherlands and the western coasts of Germany and Denmark.[2] Doggerland was probably a rich habitat with human habitation in the Mesolithic period
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During the most recent glaciation, the Last Glacial Maximum that ended in this area around 18,000 years ago, the North Sea and almost all of the British Isles were covered with glacial ice and the sea level was about 120 m (390 ft) lower than it is today. After that the climate became warmer and during the Late Glacial Maximum much of the North Sea and English Channel was an expanse of low-lying tundra, extending around 12,000 BCE as far as the modern northern point of Scotland
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At about 8000 BCE, the north-facing coastal area of Doggerland had a coastline of lagoons, saltmarshes, mudflats, and beaches, and inland streams and rivers and marshes, and sometimes lakes. It may have been the richest hunting, fowling and fishing ground in Europe available to the Mesolithic culture of the time
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As sea levels rose after the end of the last glacial period of the current ice age, Doggerland became submerged beneath the North Sea, cutting off what was previously the British peninsula from the European mainland by around 6500 BCE
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A recent hypothesis is that much of the remaining coastal land, already much reduced in size from the original land area, was flooded by a megatsunami around 6200 BC (approximately 8200 BP), caused by a submarine landslide off the coast of Norway known as the Storegga Slide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEQRKL-uQzc
Vince Gaffney on Doggerland
Uploaded on Jan 26, 2011 

Professor Vince Gaffney of Ancient History, Classics and Archaeology (AHCA) at the University of Birmingham discusses his research into Doggerland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlMq5Mx2miw
Dogger Bank Expedition; discovery of a new wilderness

Published on Apr 2, 2013 

Dogger Bank Expedition; discovery of a new wilderness Bescherm een wrak (Protect a wreck) is a Dutch initiative to protect shipwrecks in the North Sea.
Dutch website: www.beschermeenwrak.nl
International platform about ghostfishing: www.ghostfishing.org Documentary made by Dutch underwater filmmaker Klaudie Bartelink

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jkqcEeIlY
Storegga Slide Tsunami
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Re: Mystery Humans - Lord of the Rings type World
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2014, 02:19:00 PM »
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140403095415.htm
Homo Brains and Teeth Are an “Evolutionary Paradox”

GRANADA, SPAIN—Researchers from the University of Granada have shown that the shrinking of the teeth of primates from the genus Homo is linked to their increase in brain size, even though a growing brain would require more food.

“We have established that they are two opposing evolutionary trends that have been linked for 2.5 million years, when our first ancestors within the Homo genus first appeared on the evolutionary stage,” Juan Manuel Jiménez Arenas told Science Daily. Arenas credits higher amounts of animal food in the diet for the increase in brain size, which in turn fostered social and cultural development.


'Homo' is the only primate whose tooth size decreases as its brain size increases
Date: April 3, 2014
Source: University of Granada

Summary:
Scientists have discovered a curious characteristic of the members of the human lineage, classed as the genus Homo: they are the only primates where, throughout their 2.5-million year history, the size of their teeth has decreased in tandem with the increase in their brain size

The key to this phenomenon, which scientists call "evolutionary paradox," could be in how Homo's diet has evolved. Digestion starts first in the mouth and, so, teeth are essential in breaking food down into smaller pieces. Therefore, the normal scenario would be that, if the brain grows in size, and, hence, the body's metabolic needs, so should teeth.

However, in the case of Homo, this has not been the case, according to scientists in an article recently published in the journal BioMed Research International. The main author of the study, researcher Juan Manuel Jimenez Arenas, from the University of Granada's Department of Pre-History and Archaeology, points out that, "This means that significant changes must have occurred in order to maintain this trend."
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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2014, 10:34:47 PM »
 Hi T.
          There has been what humans in general consider anomalies, different that is. One example is giants of the old testament, skeletons confirm their existence. Enlarged skulls of a natural formation not binded, advanced technology, be it astral intelligence or monuments erected or ancient artifacts that would be quite impossible to duplicate with our present tech.
  Human nature fears, what is not the ole norm, I'll be to a buck to a dime the vast majority or races that didn't fit in to what the norm were eliminated of sought refuge, far away for human civilization.
  An opinion, they were wiped out or well hidden.. Far to many facts dispute the accepted, propagandised dialogue.

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« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2014, 01:33:26 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2614780/How-FARMERS-fitter-athletes-Human-strength-speed-peaked-7-300-years-ago-declining-rapidly.html
How modern humans have become WEAKLINGS compared with our ancient ancestors who could outrun and outlift today's top athletes

Human leg bones have grown weaker since farming was invented
Scientists found bone structure declined after agriculture emerged
Male farmers 7,300 years ago had legs of cross-country runners
But just 3,000 years later, they had legs comparable to 'sedentary' students

By Sara Malm and Ellie Zolfagharifard
Published: 06:10 EST, 28 April 2014 | Updated: 07:45 EST, 28 April 2014


Mo Farah would have had some tough competition from ancient farmers living 7,300 years ago.

Scientists claim if they were to cross paths, our ancestors would have been capable of outrunning some of the world’s most talented athletes.  

That's according to recent research by Cambridge University which reveals just how far our fitness has fallen in just a couple of millennia

‘Even our most highly trained athletes pale in comparison to these ancestors of ours,’ Dr Colin Shaw told Outside Magazine. ‘We’re certainly weaker than we used to be.’

The study looked at skeletons dating back to around 5,300 BC with the most recent to 850 AD - a time span of 6,150 years.

It then compared the bones to that of Cambridge University students, and found the leg bones of male farmers 5,300 BC were just as good as those of highly-trained cross-country runners.

But just 3,000 years later, the study found our ancestors had leg bone structures closer to that of the Netflix-watching generation.

When our ancestors made the transition from hunter-gatherer societies to agricultural ones, their lower limb strength and overall mobility decreased.

Men were most affected by the change, which suggested a reduction in mobility and loading. In other words, they were covering less distance on foot and carrying out lighter physical tasks.

‘My results suggest that, following the transition to agriculture in central Europe, males were more affected than females by cultural and technological changes that reduced the need for long-distance travel or heavy physical work,’ said lead researcher Alison Macintosh, from the department of archaeology and anthropology at Cambridge University.

‘This also means that, as people began to specialise in tasks other than just farming and food production, such as metalworking, fewer people were regularly doing tasks that were very strenuous on their legs.’

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Experts claim that people today are 10 per cent smaller and shorter than their hunter-gatherer ancestors
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When comparing samples from male farmers 2,300 B.C. with modern students, researchers found they had the same strength as 'sedentary' undergraduates

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http://phys.org/news175332184.html
Modern men are wimps, according to new book
Oct 21, 2009 by Lin Edwards weblog

    
PhysOrg.com) -- A new book claims even modern athletes could not run as fast, jump as high, or have been nearly as strong as our predecessors.


The book, Manthropology: The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male, by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister, describes many examples of the inadequacy of the modern male, calling them as a class, "the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Given spiked running shoes, Indigenous Australians of 20,000 years ago could have beaten today's world record for running 100 and 200 meters. As recently as last century, some Tutsi males in Rwanda could have easily beaten the current high jump world record, and bodybuilders such as Arnold Schwarzenegger would have been no match in an arm wrestle with a Neanderthal woman.

Twenty thousand years ago six male Australian Aborigines chasing prey left footprints in a muddy lake shore that became fossilized. Analysis of the footprints shows one of them was running at 37 kph (23 mph), only 5 kph slower than Usain Bolt was traveling at when he ran the 100 meters in world record time of 9.69 seconds in Beijing last year. But Bolt had been the recipient of modern training, and had the benefits of spiked running shoes and a rubberized track, whereas the Aboriginal man was running barefoot in soft mud. Given the modern conditions, the man, dubbed T8, could have reached speeds of 45 kph, according to McAllister.

McAllister also presents as evidence of his thesis photographs taken by a German anthropologist early in the twentieth century. The photographs showed Tutsi initiation ceremonies in which young men had to jump their own height in order to be accepted as men. Some of them jumped as high as 2.52 meters, which is higher than the current world record of 2.45 meters.

McAllister, interviewed in his temporary residence in Cambridge, UK, also said women of the extinct hominids such as the Neanderthals carried around 10 percent more muscle than modern European men, and with training could have reached 90 percent of the bulk of Arnold Schwarzenegger at his physical prime. Her shorter lower arm would have given her a great advantage in an arm wrestle, and she could easily have slammed his arm to the table.
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https://www.sciencemag.org/content/343/6172/747.abstract
Science 14 February 2014:
 Vol. 343  no. 6172  pp. 747-751 
 DOI: 10.1126/science.1243518 
•Research Article

A Genetic Atlas of Human Admixture History

Garrett Hellenthal1,  George B. J. Busby2,  Gavin Band3,  James F. Wilson4,  Cristian Capelli2,  Daniel Falush5,*,  Simon Myers3,6,*,†
 
Abstract

Modern genetic data combined with appropriate statistical methods have the potential to contribute substantially to our understanding of human history. We have developed an approach that exploits the genomic structure of admixed populations to date and characterize historical mixture events at fine scales.

We used this to produce an atlas of worldwide human admixture history, constructed by using genetic data alone and encompassing over 100 events occurring over the past 4000 years.

We identified events whose dates and participants suggest they describe genetic impacts of the Mongol empire, Arab slave trade, Bantu expansion, first millennium CE migrations in Eastern Europe, and European colonialism, as well as unrecorded events, revealing admixture to be an almost universal force shaping human populations.
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http://www.well.ox.ac.uk/~gav/admixture/2014-science-final/resources/FAQ.pdf

Frequently asked questions about “A Genetic Atlas of Human Admixture History”G. Hellenthal, G.B.J. Busby, G. Band, J.F. Wilson, C. Capelli, D. Falush, S. Myers, Science
(2014)

What is your work about and how is it new?

Many researchers have studied human DNA and its history, and this has revealed how humans have
spread around the globe. This spreading out produces distinct populations, and small genetic
differences between separated populations arise (although most variation is still shared among groups).
When groups come back together – for example due to migrations or invasions - and have children, this
is called genetic admixture, and leaves a characteristic signature in DNA.

Our work uses DNA from many people around the world to identify these mixture events, and find out
first, who the groups were that mixed – often to the level of individual countries – and second, when
the mixture occurred. Other researchers have developed important tools to look at one or other these
questions but our method is the first to do both simultaneously – allowing us to more fully describe
events.

By using “chromosome painting”, it also offers better power and precision than previously
available. We are able to consider complex histories (e.g. several waves of mixing) and have analysed
95 groups across the globe, producing an “atlas” of mixing dates, places and mixing populations.

What does your study imply about human ancestry?
( 1)Most human populations are a product of mixture of genetically distinct groups that intermixed
within the last 4,000 years.
( 2)Mixture events are often localized in time and space: neighboring populations can sometimes
have distinct ancestry and history, especially for recent events.
( 3)Many mixture events involve source populations from very distant locations separated by
thousands of miles.
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« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2014, 11:44:07 PM »
 Earth has been infected by Aliens from HELL: Ding Dong & Period! ( these beings come from inner space and not outer space).

 Ha! Ha! Ha! the Aliens have come here to earth for millions of years? and have done NOTHING? [must be Washington Lobbyists]!

 Mankind is so naive that he & she are fooled into believing that Demons are Aliens? from outer space?

 When in reality they are inter dimensional beings from Hell. 

 What a dumb planet & I am sure GOD is crying over our stupidity!
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« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2014, 02:08:55 PM »
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/04/140430-neanderthals-cook-food-evolution-science/
Hot Stew in the Ice Age? Evidence Shows Neanderthals Boiled Food

An ancient diet expert suggests our early cousins knew how to boil their meals.


This female Neanderthal, found in a cave in Gibraltar, may have enjoyed foods heated in birch bark trays.

By Dan Vergano
National Geographic
Published April 30, 2014


Neanderthal cooking likely wouldn't have won any prizes on Top Chef, but a paleontologist suggests that our ancient cousins knew how to cook a mean stew, without even a stone pot to their name.

"I think it's pretty likely the Neanderthals boiled," said University of Michigan paleontologist John Speth at a recent meeting of the Society for American Archaeology in Austin, Texas. "They were around for a long time, and they were very clever with fire."

Neanderthals were a species of early humans who lived in Europe and the Near East until about 30,000 years ago. Conventional wisdom holds that boiling to soften food or render fat from bones may have been one of the advantages that allowed Homo sapiens to thrive, while Neanderthals died out. (Related: "Surprise! 20 Percent of Neanderthal Genome Lives on in Modern Humans, Scientists Find.")

But based on evidence from ancient bones, spears, and porridge, Speth believes our Stone Age cousins likely boiled their food. He suggests that Neanderthals boiled using only a skin bag or a birch bark tray by relying on a trick of chemistry: Water will boil at a temperature below the ignition point of almost any container, even flammable bark or hides.

"You can boil in just about anything as long as you take it off the flame pretty quickly," Speth says. His presentation included video of water boiling in a paper cup (the water keeps the paper from reaching its ignition temperature) and mention of scenes in Jean Auel's 1980 novel, Clan of the Cave Bear (later a movie), in which Neanderthals boiled stews in hide pouches.

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Birch Bubbling

But who needs boiling stones or pots? Speth suggests that Neanderthals boiled foods in birch bark twisted into trays, a technology that prehistoric people used to boil maple syrup from tree sap.

Archaeologists have demonstrated that Neanderthals relied on birch tar as an adhesive for hafting spear points as long as 200,000 years ago. Making birch tar requires clever cooking in an oxygen-free container, says paleontologist Michael Bisson of Canada's McGill University.

"I've burned myself trying to do it," Bisson says, adding that Neanderthals were plenty clever when it came to manipulating birch. They likely ignited rolled-up birch bark "cigars" and plunged them into holes to cook the tar in an oxygen-free environment.

If the tar is exposed to oxygen in the air as it cooks, "it explodes," Bisson adds.
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« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2014, 04:49:43 PM »
 Hi T.
I'm fascinated by this as well. Have you ever wondered if Neanderthals were a race that existed and was whacked out.
  No matter:  Nice post, it certifies the fact they were not the freaks general accepted history would have us believe.
  Isn't there a biblical reference as to Caine having fur?
  This earth has many races, black, white, red, yellow,dwarfs, midgets, whatever! It wouldn't suprise me in the least if a race existed that was exterminated or in hiding. There are biblical tales of giants roaming the earth,.... which way did they go.
  I have a feeling the true history of this earth would blow our minds.( All speculation, no backup, no source)..
 

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« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2014, 07:22:53 PM »
Hi T.
I'm fascinated by this as well. Have you ever wondered if Neanderthals were a race that existed and was whacked out.
  No matter:  Nice post, it certifies the fact they were not the freaks general accepted history would have us believe.
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Yes it's all a lot more complicated ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanidar_Cave



Shanidar Cave is an archaeological site in the Bradost mountain, Zagros Mountains in Erbil Governorate, Kurdistan Region, Iraq.[1] The site is located in the valley of the Great Zab. It was excavated from 1957–1961 by Ralph Solecki and his team from Columbia University and yielded the first adult Neanderthal skeletons in Iraq, dating from 60–80,000 years BP.[1]

The excavated area produced nine skeletons of Neanderthals of varying ages and states of preservation and completeness (labelled Shanidar I – IX). The tenth individual was recently[when?] discovered by M. Zeder during examination of a faunal assemblage from the site at the Smithsonian Institution. The remains seemed to Zeder to suggest that Neandertals had funeral ceremonies, burying their dead with flowers (although the flowers are now thought to be a modern contaminant), and that they took care of injured individuals. One skeleton and casts of the others at the Smithsonian Institution are all that is left of the findings, the originals having been dispersed in Iraq

Shanidar 4, the "flower burial"

Of all the skeletons found at the cave, Shanidar IV provides the best evidence for Neanderthal burial ritual. The skeleton of an adult male aged from 30–45 years was discovered in 1960 by Ralph Solecki and was positioned so that he was lying on his left side in a partial fetal position. Routine soil samples from around the body, gathered for pollen analysis in an attempt to reconstruct the palaeoclimate and vegetational history of the site, were analysed eight years after its discovery. In two of the soil samples in particular, whole clumps of pollen were discovered in addition to the usual pollen found throughout the site, suggesting that entire flowering plants (or at least heads of plants) had entered the grave deposit.[6]

Furthermore, a study of the particular flower types suggested that the flowers may have been chosen for their specific medicinal properties. Yarrow, Cornflower, Bachelor's Button, St. Barnaby's Thistle, Ragwort or Groundsel, Grape Hyacinth, Joint Pine or Woody Horsetail and Hollyhock were represented in the pollen samples, all of which have long-known curative powers as diuretics, stimulants, astringents as well as anti-inflammatory properties.[7] This led to the idea that the man could possibly have had shamanic powers, perhaps acting as medicine man to the Shanidar Neandertals
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« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2014, 07:46:18 PM »
 The accepted, propaganda is we were basically apes who transformed into walking on 2 feet, dragging our knuckles once and a while.
No the race labled Neanderthals is exposed, they were not drooling mungs, they used fire, were capeable of boiling food, maintaing an age over 40 years in a primitive extremely dangerous surroundings and had sensibility's.
 Where did they go?
      Ever wonder what an average American family would do if marooned in a vast forest with nothing, no food, clothing, utensils,  ZIPO.
                                          These so called Neanderthals were not mutts.




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« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2014, 08:01:48 PM »
Jesse Ventura vs the Humanzee

By Andrew Zarowny

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Last night on an all new episode of Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory on Tru TV, Jesse and his team were on the hunt for humanzee. Human-chimpanzee hybrids allegedly being produced by our government, through DARPA, at the Yerkes National Primate Research Center in Lawrenceville, Georgia. Animal cruelty investigator, Chris DeRose, tells Jesse about chimera experiments involving breeding sheep with human livers, mice with human brains, pigs with human blood and other ′Manimal′ hybrids. Are these ′parahumans′ being genetically modified to create a supply of human organs for medical transplants? Or is our government preparing an army of ′chuman′ super-soldiers to suppress, and even eat, a rebellious citizenry should the nation default on its debts to Goldman Sachs




As crazy as this sounds, there is plenty of real smoke from this fire.




http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=10783

 

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« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2014, 11:26:31 AM »
World's oldest pants found in Tarim Basin - ie proto Indo-European  people

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/first-pants-worn-horse-riders-3000-years-ago
First pants worn by horse riders 3,000 years ago
Oldest known trousers originated in Central Asia
By Bruce Bower
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Two men whose remains were recently excavated from tombs in western China put their pants on one leg at a time, just like the rest of us. But these nomadic herders did so between 3,300 and 3,000 years ago, making their trousers the oldest known examples of this innovative apparel, a new study finds.

With straight-fitting legs and a wide crotch, the ancient wool trousers resemble modern riding pants, says a team led by archaeologists Ulrike Beck and Mayke Wagner of the German Archaeological Institute in Berlin. The discoveries, uncovered in the Yanghai graveyard in China’s Tarim Basin, support previous work suggesting that nomadic herders in Central Asia invented pants to provide bodily protection and freedom of movement for horseback journeys and mounted warfare, the scientists report May 22 in Quaternary International.
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A dry climate and hot summers helped preserve human corpses, clothing and other organic material in the Tarim Basin. More than 500 tombs have been excavated in a graveyard there since the early 1970s.

Earlier research on mummies from several Tarim Basin sites, led by Mair, identified a 2,600-year-old individual known as Cherchen Man who wore burgundy trousers probably made of wool. Trousers of Scythian nomads from West Asia date to roughly 2,500 years ago.


Cherchen Man

Mair suspects that horse riding began about 3,400 years ago and trouser-making came shortly thereafter in wetter regions to the north and west of the Tarim Basin. Ancient trousers from those areas are not likely to have been preserved, Mair says.

Horse riding’s origins are uncertain and could date to at least 4,000 years ago, comments archaeologist Margarita Gleba of University College London. If so, she says, “I would not be surprised if trousers appeared at least that far back.”
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The two trouser-wearing men entombed at Yanghai were roughly 40 years old and had probably been warriors as well as herders, the investigators say. One man was buried with a decorated leather bridle, a wooden horse bit, a battle-ax and a leather bracer for arm protection. Among objects placed with the other body were a whip, a decorated horse tail, a bow sheath and a bow.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang
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According to J.P. Mallory and Victor H. Mair, the Chinese sources describe the existence of "white people with lightish hair" or the Bai people in the Shan Hai Jing, who lived beyond their northwestern border

The well-preserved Tarim mummies with reddish or blond hair, which today are displayed at the Ürümqi Museum and date back to the 3rd century BC, have been found in precisely the same area of the Tarim Basin.[15] Nomadic tribes such as the Yuezhi were part of the large migration of Indo-European speaking peoples who were settled in eastern Central Asia (possibly as far as Gansu). The Ordos in northern China east of the Yuezhi are another example

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis

The Kurgan hypothesis (also theory or model) is one of the proposals about early Indo-European origins, which postulates that the people of an archaeological "Kurgan culture" (a term grouping the Yamna, or Pit Grave, culture and its predecessors) in the Pontic steppe were the most likely speakers of the Proto-Indo-European language. The term is derived from kurgan (курган), a Turkic loanword in Russian for a tumulus or burial mound. The Kurgan model is the most widely accepted scenario of Indo-European origin



Map of Indo-European migrations from ca. 4000 to 1000 BC according to the Kurgan model. The Anatolian migration (indicated with a dotted arrow) could have taken place either across the Caucasus or across the Balkans. The magenta area corresponds to the assumed Urheimat (Samara culture, Sredny Stog culture). The red area corresponds to the area that may have been settled by Indo-European-speaking peoples up to ca. 2500 BC, and the orange area by 1000 BC.
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Overview of the Kurgan hypothesis



Haplogroup R1a1a distribution
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Geneticists have noted the correlation of a specific haplogroup R1a1a defined by the M17 (SNP marker) of the Y chromosome and speakers of Indo-European languages in Europe and Asia. The connection between Y-DNA R-M17 and the spread of Indo-European languages was first proposed by Zerjal and colleagues in 1999.[8] and subsequently supported by other authors.[9] Spencer Wells deduced from this correlation that R1a1a arose on the Pontic-Caspian steppe.[10]

Subsequent studies on ancient DNA tested the hypothesis. Skeletons from the Andronovo culture horizon (strongly supposed to be culturally Indo-Iranian) of south Siberia were tested for DNA. Of the 10 males, 9 carried Y-DNA R1a1a (M17). Fairly close matches were found between the ancient DNA STR haplotypes and those in living persons in both eastern Europe and Siberia.[11] Mummies in the Tarim Basin also proved to carry R1a1a and were presumed to be ancestors of Tocharian speakers

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Central Asia
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From these cultures further migrations went further east, to found the Afanasevo culture, and the Tocharian languages formerly spoken by Tocharian peoples in oases on the northern edge of the Tarim Basin (now part of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of China). The Indo-Iranian branch went south, forming the Iranian people and the Indo-Aryan migration into India. Closely related to the Indo-Aryans were the Mitanni, who founded a kingdom in the Middle East.
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« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2014, 09:34:51 AM »
Today's world races. Black, corcasian, oriental, Indian, Aborigine, etc. A mixed bag.
 How many other races existed, do we truly have any idea?
 Lets face it, if a race existed that was more advanced or physically different than the average human wouldn't they seperate themselves, hide, go underground, or reamin and be exterminated.
 Come on folks, the inquisition killed and tortured  hundred of thousands who were different, even pretty gals thought simply by their beauty to be witches ( the devils work), folks who used herbs to cure the ill,..Imagine what would have happened to those of a different breed both physically and mentally, think about it!
 Science has dictated to the people many a fable, they have continued their philosophy for century's. The general theory's put forward by Celebrity scientists and their global masters is established, it fringes on heresy to challenge them.
  This is a interesting subject.. How many truly give a twit is the problem.
                                     All our answers are right here on this ball of dirt, hidden .
 

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« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2014, 11:32:14 AM »
http://phys.org/news/2014-06-mitochondrial-dna-eastern-farmers-sequenced.html
Mitochondrial DNA of first Near Eastern farmers is sequenced for the first time
Jun 06, 2014

Experts analysed samples from three sites located in the birthplace of Neolithic agricultural practices. Credit: Dr. Alejandro Pérez-Pérez

The mitochondrial DNA of the first Near Eastern farmers has been sequenced for the first time. In the research, published in the journal PLOS Genetics, experts analysed samples from three sites located in the birthplace of Neolithic agricultural practices: the Middle Euphrates basin and the oasis of Damascus, located in today's Syria and date at about 8,000 BC.

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The study is focused on the analysis of mitochondrial DNA —a type of non-Mendelian maternally inherited DNA— from the first Neolithic farmers, by means of samples obtained by the UAB research group which were first processed by the UB research group.

The Neolithic: a deep revolution in human societies

Agricultural and husbandry practices originated around 12,000 years ago in a region of the Near East known as the Fertile Crescent. This phenomenon, known as "Neolithic", meant a profound social, cultural and economic transformation of human populations (agricultural production, sedentary farming lifestyle, origin of the first cities and modern societies, etc.).

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From the Near East to Europe

The study published in PLOS Genetics provides a new framework to interpret the results of other studies about European Neolithic populations, stress the authors. According to conclusions, genetic affinities have been observed between the mitochondrial DNA of first Neolithic populations and the DNA of first Catalan and German farmers. This suggests that probably Neolithic expansion took place through pioneer migrations of small groups of population. Moreover, the two main migration routes ―Mediterranean and European― might have been genetically linked.

"The most significant conclusion —highlights Eva Fernández— is that the degree of genetic similarity between the populations of the Fertile Crescent and the ones of Cyprus an Crete supports the hypothesis that Neolithic spread in Europe took place through pioneer seafaring colonization, not through a land-mediated expansion through Anatolia, as it was thought until now".
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In order to support these conclusions, the scientific team aims at analysing a greater number of human Neolithic samples from other regions of the Fertile Crescent, and at increasing the number of genetic markers analysed in the samples.
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http://phys.org/news/2013-09-genetic-timeline-significant-human-population.html#inlRlv
Genetic study pushes back timeline for first significant human population expansion
Sep 24, 2013

Using new genetic tools, the authors conclude that the first significant expansion of human populations appears to be much older than the emergence of farming and herding, dating back to the Paleolithic (60,000-80,000 years ago) rather than Neolithic age (10,000 years ago). They also suggest that strong Paleolithic expansions may have favored the emergence of sedentary farming in some populations during the Neolithic.

About 10,000 years ago, the Neolithic age ushered in one of the most dramatic periods of human cultural and technological transition, where independently, different world populations developed the domestication of plants and animals. The hunter-gatherers gave rise to herders and farmers. Changes to a more sedentary lifestyle and larger settlements are widely thought to have contributed to a worldwide human population explosion, from an estimated 4-6 million people to 60-70 million by 4,000 B.C.


Now, researchers Aimé, et al., have challenged this assumption using a large set of populations from diverse geographical regions (20 different genomic regions and mitochondrial DNA of individuals from 66 African and Eurasian populations), and compared their genetic results with archaeological findings. The dispersal and expansion of Neolithic culture from the Middle East has recently been associated with the distribution of human genetic markers.

They conclude that the first significant expansion of human populations appears to be much older than the emergence of farming and herding, dating back to the Paleolithic (60,000-80,000 years ago) rather than Neolithic age. Therefore, hunter-gatherer populations were able to thrive with cultural and social advances that allowed for the expansion. The authors also speculate that this Paleolithic human population expansion may be linked to the emergence of newer, more advanced hunting technologies or a rapid environmental change to dryer climates.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7700356.stm
DNA legacy of ancient seafarers
 By Paul Rincon 
 Science reporter, BBC News
 
Friday, 31 October 2008

Scientists have used DNA to re-trace the migrations of a sea-faring civilisation which dominated the Mediterranean thousands of years ago.

The Phoenicians were an enterprising maritime people from the territory of modern-day Lebanon.

They established a trading empire throughout the Mediterranean Sea in the first millennium BC.

A new study by an international team has now revealed the genetic legacy they imparted to modern populations. 

The researchers estimate that as many as one in 17 men from the Mediterranean may have Phoenician ancestry.
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From their base in present-day Lebanon, the Phoenicians spread out across the sea, founding colonies and trading posts as far afield as Spain and North Africa, where their most powerful city - Carthage - was located.

Carthage spawned the audacious military commander Hannibal, who marched an army over the Alps to challenge the Roman Republic on its own territory.

The Phoenicians have been described as the world's first "global capitalists". They controlled trade throughout the Mediterranean basin for nearly 1,000 years until finally being conquered by the Romans.

Over subsequent centuries, much of what was known about these enigmatic people was lost or destroyed.
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Genetic 'jacuzzi'

But several human migrations - both historic and prehistoric - have started in the Eastern Mediterranean and spread out to Europe and North Africa.

These include the migrations of early farmers from the Near East after 10,000BC, the expansion of the ancient Greeks who - like the Phoenicians - established outposts around the Mediterranean, and the Jewish diaspora.

Because of their geographical proximity, the people involved in these expansions may have carried similar genetic signatures to the Phoenicians.
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 Teasing apart something that's specifically Levantine, or Phoenician, from the background of the general Neolithic expansion, or Greek colonisation, is actually quite tough - Spencer Wells - Genographic Project director
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« Reply #60 on: June 07, 2014, 02:43:50 PM »
 This chages the concept we were taught and gives the educators a kick in the butt.

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« Reply #61 on: June 13, 2014, 12:46:17 PM »
You cannot make this up ...
Journey to the Center of the Earth
Days of Noah - Flooding of the Earth , where did the water come from ? Where did it Go?


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jun/13/earth-may-have-underground-ocean-three-times-that-on-surface
Earth may have underground 'ocean' three times that on surface


Scientists say rock layer hundreds of miles down holds vast amount of water, opening up new theories on how planet formed

Melissa Davey   
theguardian.com, Thursday 12 June 2014 23.53 EDT

Three-quarters of the Earth's water may be locked deep underground in a layer of rock, scientists say. Photograph: Blue Line Pictures/Getty Images

After decades of searching scientists have discovered that a vast reservoir of water, enough to fill the Earth’s oceans three times over, may be trapped hundreds of miles beneath the surface, potentially transforming our understanding of how the planet was formed.

The water is locked up in a mineral called ringwoodite about 660km (400 miles) beneath the crust of the Earth, researchers say. Geophysicist Steve Jacobsen from Northwestern University in the US co-authored the study published in the journal Science and said the discovery suggested Earth’s water may have come from within, driven to the surface by geological activity, rather than being deposited by icy comets hitting the forming planet as held by the prevailing theories.

“Geological processes on the Earth’s surface, such as earthquakes or erupting volcanoes, are an expression of what is going on inside the Earth, out of our sight,” Jacobsen said.

“I think we are finally seeing evidence for a whole-Earth water cycle, which may help explain the vast amount of liquid water on the surface of our habitable planet. Scientists have been looking for this missing deep water for decades.”



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It produced evidence that melting and movement of rock in the transition zone – hundreds of kilometres down, between the upper and lower mantles – led to a process where water could become fused and trapped in the rock.

The discovery is remarkable because most melting in the mantle was previously thought to occur at a much shallower distance, about 80km below the Earth’s surface.

Jacobsen told the New Scientist that the hidden water might also act as a buffer for the oceans on the surface, explaining why they have stayed the same size for millions of years. "If [the stored water] wasn't there, it would be on the surface of the Earth, and mountaintops would be the only land poking out," he said.
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« Reply #62 on: October 08, 2014, 01:18:56 PM »
http://www.archaeology.org/issues/125-1403/trenches/1798-france-middle-ages-deformed-skull


Barbarian Body Modification
 By NIKHIL SWAMINATHAN
Monday, February 10, 2014

Archaeologists digging in Obernai, a commune in northeastern France, discovered a deformed female skull in a necropolis containing 18 burials dating to the fifth century A.D., or the early Middle Ages. The entombed woman was adorned with gold pins, two pendants, and a silver mirror. The deformation of her skull, says Clément Féliu, an archaeologist with the National Institute of Preventive Archaeological Research, was absolutely intentional. It is likely an aristocratic signifier, he explains, created by linking small boards around a newborn’s head to make the skull taller and narrower. “I think the peoples who were buried in Obernai belong to a little group of ‘Barbarians,’” from the east, where the practice was more common, says Féliu.

http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/skeleton-of-possible-witch-girl-found-141006.htm
Skeleton of Possible 'Witch Girl' Found
 
 Oct 6, 2014 04:00 PM ET  //  by  Rossella Lorenzi

An archaeological dig in northern Italy has unearthed the remains of a 13-year-old-girl buried face-down -- evidence, archaeologists say, that despite her young age, she was rejected by her community and seen as a danger even when dead.

Dubbed by Italian media as “the witch girl,” the skeleton was unearthed at the complex of San Calocero in Albenga on the Ligurian Riviera, by a team of the Pontifical Institute of Christian Archaeology at the Vatican.

The site, a burial ground on which a martyr church dedicated to San Calocero was built around the fifth and sixth centuries A.D., was completely abandoned in 1593.
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« Reply #63 on: October 08, 2014, 07:21:00 PM »
Hi T.
          The scientific community insists these enlarged skulls are caused by binding, explaining it was a custom among some barbarians.
          Why then are they discover on two continents? Some experts have made claimed a portion of the skulls found were not the result of binding & the eye sockets of some are much larger than human skulls.
          The theory is people were imitating royalty such as Egypt, Nerfertiti a princess -statue exibits her elongated skull.
            Interesting, but it gets complicated. 
       

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« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2014, 11:44:50 PM »
Hi T.
          The scientific community insists these enlarged skulls are caused by binding, explaining it was a custom among some barbarians.
          Why then are they discover on two continents? Some experts have made claimed a portion of the skulls found were not the result of binding & the eye sockets of some are much larger than human skulls.
          The theory is people were imitating royalty such as Egypt, Nerfertiti a princess -statue exibits her elongated skull.
            Interesting, but it gets complicated. 

Yes skull binding was a global phenomenon  among the ruling elites and  shamans also in this time period this same tribe of peoples (Visigoths) were converted Arian Christians that had sacked Rome
Also this is where we also see the elites of society wearing tall cone hats ( like the pope)
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Some of the Barbarians that conquered Rome were Arian Christians .... But they did not believe in the Trinity so they were wiped out later by Charlemagne ..

http://www.jaars.org/museum/alphabet/people/ulfilas.htm


The Visigoths, or West Goths, a warlike people, lived along the Roman frontier west of the Black Sea. After they had been "Christianized," Ulfilas (311-382), their bishop, saw they needed the Bible in their own tongue, "to speak to their hearts."

First, Ulfilas had to make an alphabet. He knew that neither the Greek nor the Roman alphabet would fit a Germanic language. He chose from these alphabets only the letters that corresponded to the speech sounds of Visigoth. For sounds for which there were no letters, he used runes, an early Germanic alphabet of limited use. With this, he translated the Bible.

The Visigoths migrated west and were the first to conquer Rome (A.D. 410) Their aim, however, was not so much to destroy but to acquire the benefits of civilization. It was largely due to the work of Ulfilas that these plunderers became peacemakers.

311 – 383 - Ulfilas -  Wulfila; Little Wolf - translated the Bible from Greek into the Gothic language. For this he devised the Gothic alphabet based on the Getae's alphabet - Ulfilas converted many among the Goths, preaching an Arian Christianity, which, when they reached the western Mediterranean, set them apart from their Orthodox neighbors and subjects.

325 - 400 A.D. The Goths are converted to Arian Christianity. Ulfias writes his translation of the New Testament, the only surviving work of written Gothic.

410 A.D. - Alaric, king of the Visigoths, conquers Rome.


Sack of Rome by the Visigoths on 24 August 410 by Joseph-Noël Sylvestre

493-553 - Ostrogothic Kingdom - was established by the King Theodoric the Great - Ostrogoths in Italy and neighbouring areas. Gothic Arian Christians

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

Arianism is the theological teaching attributed to Arius (ca. AD 250–336), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt, concerning the relationship of God the Father to the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Arius asserted that the Son of God was a subordinate entity to God the Father.

Deemed a heretic by the Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325, Arius was later exonerated in 335 at the regional First Synod of Tyre,[1] and then, after his death, pronounced a heretic again at the Ecumenical First Council of Constantinople of 381.[2] The Roman Emperors Constantius II (337–361) and Valens (364–378) were Arians or Semi-Arians.

The Arian concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist, but was created by—and is therefore distinct from—God the Father. This belief is grounded in the Gospel of John (14:28)[3] passage: "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulfilas

Ulfilas, (Gothic: 𐌿𐌻𐍆𐌹𐌻𐌰𐍃; Wulfila; Little Wolf), also Ulphilas, Orphila[1] (ca. 311 – 383;[2]), bishop, missionary, and Bible translator, was a Goth or half-Goth and half-Greek from Cappadocia who had spent time inside the Roman Empire at the peak of the Arian controversy.

http://theburgundian.blogspot.com/2009/06/christian-conversion-of-burgundians.html
The Christian Conversion of the Burgundians
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That the majority of the Germanic tribes followed heretical Arianism was probably not an accident. As it had fallen out of favor within the empire, it had increased its influence among the Germanic people outside of the empire. In the case of the Visigoths under Theodosius, the barbarians preferred the decentralized, mostly locally governed Arian Christianity over the organized and centrally governed Catholic faith, which they believed would intrude upon their traditions and tend to weaken their social identity. So, while the barbarians adjusted to, even mimiced, the Roman lifestyle, they did not completely embrace Roman culture. The same attitude has been ascribed to the Burgundians. By adhering to what was regarded as a heretical form of Christianity, the already outnumbered Burgundians only increased their isolation amidst a sea of Gallo-Roman Christians.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obernai

Obernai (French: Obernai; Alsatian: Owernah; German: Oberehnheim) commune in the Bas-Rhin department in Alsace in north-eastern France. It lies on the eastern slopes of the Vosges mountains

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennin



The hennin /ˈhɛnɨn/ was a headdress in the shape of a cone or "steeple", or truncated cone worn in the late Middle Ages by European women of the nobility.[1] They were most common in Burgundy and France, but also elsewhere, especially at the English courts,[2] and in Northern Europe, Hungary and Poland

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« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2014, 01:52:47 PM »
http://www.archaeology.org/news/2638-141020-new-mexico-rock-art-water
Rock Art Panels May Be Linked to Hallucinogenic Plants
Monday, October 20, 2014

ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO—Archaeologist Lawrence Loendorf of Sacred Sites Research was documenting rock art sites in southern New Mexico when he realized that hallucinogenic plants were growing beneath panels painted with series of triangles in red, yellow, and black. One of the plants, known as coyote tobacco, contains up to three times the amount of nicotine as conventional tobacco. It can bring on a trance-like state if smoked continuously for six to eight hours.

The other plant, datura, is a potentially deadly psychedelic drug. He’s also found 1,000-year-old pottery at the 24 sites. “Every one of the sites where we find the tobacco, we also find El Paso ceramics, or we find other kinds of pots…that date generally in that same range,” Loendorf told Western Digs. The painted triangle motifs are recognized as a symbol of water and water-carrying vessels, so Loendorf speculates that shamans may have brought the plants to the sites for use in ceremonies and ended up seeding the plants accidentally. “I think that probably the ultimate reason for going through this trance is to intervene with spirits to make it rain,” he explained. The rock art will be dated with plasma oxidation technology. For more on rock art in New Mexico, see "Searching for the Comanche Empire."
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http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/datura.html
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In that there are a number of species of Datura there is some confusion as to what Datura Castaneda may have used. According to Castaneda in THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge a shaman-sorcerer has an Ally contained in the Datura plants commonly known as jimson weed. Don Juan called that ally by one of the Spanish names of the plant, yerba del diablo (devil's weed), with the ally taking on the form of a sort of plant spirit. According to Don Juan, as he related it to Castaneda, ANY of the species of Datura was the container of the ally. However, the sorcerer had to grow his own patch, not only in the sense that the plants were his private property, but in the sense that they were personally identified with him.

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COYOTE TOBACCO


Devil Weed

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http://www.centnews.com/Tech/Oldest-DNA-ever-found-sheds-light-on-humans-global-trek/S-2014-10-22/99027.html

Oldest DNA ever found sheds light on humans' global trek
Posted at :2014-10-22 18:00:08

France - Scientists said Wednesday they had unravelled the oldest DNA ever retrieved from a Homo sapiens bone, a feat that sheds light on modern humans' colonisation of the planet.

A femur found by chance on the banks of a west Siberian river in 2008 is that of a man who died around 45,000 years ago, they said.

Teased out of collagen in the ancient bone, the genome contains traces from Neanderthals -- a cousin species who lived in Eurasia alongside H. sapiens before mysteriously disappearing.

Previous research has found that Neanderthals and H. sapiens interbred, leaving a tiny Neanderthal imprint of just about two percent in humans today, except for Africans.

The discovery has a bearing on the so-called "Out of Africa" scenario: the theory that H. sapiens evolved in East Africa around 200,000 years ago and then ventured out of the continent.

Dating when Neanderthals and H. sapiens interbred would also indicate when H. sapiens embarked on a key phase of this trek -- the push out of Eurasia and into South and later Southeast Asia.

The new study, published in the journal Nature, was headed by Svante Paabo, a renowned geneticist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, who has pioneered research into Neanderthals.

- Neanderthal interbreeding -
 
The bone found at the Irtyush River, near the settlement of Ust'-Ishim, carries slightly more Neanderthal DNA than non-Africans today, the team found.

But it takes the form of relatively long strips, whereas Neanderthal DNA in our genome today has been cut up and dispersed in tiny sections as a result of generations of reproduction.

These differences provide a clue for a "molecular calendar", or dating DNA according to mutations over thousands of years.

Using this method, Paabo's team estimate interbreeding between Neanderthals and H. sapiens occurred 7,000 to 13,000 years before the Siberian individual lived -- thus no more than 60,000 years ago.

This provides a rough date for estimating when H. sapiens headed into South Asia, Chris Stringer, a professor at Britain's Natural History Museum, said in a comment on the study.

If today's Australasians have Neanderthal DNA, it is because their forebears crossed through Neanderthal territory and mingled with the locals.

"The ancestors of Australasians, with their similar input of Neanderthal DNA to Eurasians, must have been part of a late, rather than early, dispersal through Neanderthal territory," Stringer said in a press release.

"While it is still possible that modern humans did traverse southern Asia before 60,000 years ago, those groups could not have made a significant contribution to the surviving modern populations outside of Africa, which contain evidence of interbreeding with Neanderthals."

Anthropologists suggest a northern branch of Eurasians crossed to modern-day Alaska more than 15,000 years ago via an "ice bridge" that connected islands in the Bering Strait, thus enabling H. sapiens to colonise the Americas

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« Reply #66 on: October 22, 2014, 09:23:58 PM »
 I find this topic interesting, some guy said, there are more mysteries on earth than in all the heavens.
 The skulls, banding examinations of a % are not consistant with the average human skull, thickness, soft spots, eye sockets, etc.
 Who knows, we sure don't.. Just to say the standard theme is being challenged.
 Any form  of homosapains considered different was exterminated or hiding. The inquisition tortured -waked out girls that were pretty, smart etc. considered witches, scientists, talented humans, herb growers.. Given the scale of of the prejudice, fear, involved, difference, things haven't changed much have they. Much worse in those days, though it continues.
 Certainly what they assume are barbarians that attempted to duplicate enlarged skulls no resistance to this, but the reality is more. Giants worked for Biblical accounts, which way did they go.
  Old age I guess, or maby a curious mind that is not suppressed by the fairy tales they are led to  believe would freak out the average Joe Cit.(masses).    Collectors,( super wealth/Govs/ have been collecting ancient items for hundreds of years, we will not be privy to their discoveries. Well, example- The Vatican vaults, whats the secrets they guard, and why? 
  Gets the ole bells ringing doesn't it.
The last thing the rulers want is to reveal the contents of the vaults, nor their items they have  paid fortunes to obtain.
 

 
 
 
 

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« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2014, 03:20:31 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5frDdwc4c&index=3&list=LLDV_QMXVj2gm44Z5wT-JC0w
The Pyramid Show - Octogon vs. Occitania
The Pharaohs of Octogon destroyed the highstanding free european civilisation of Occitania;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViuayU-swhk
Real Ancient Pharaonic Pyramid La Ratapignata near Nice in Southern France - They Are Here All Right

http://www.beyond.fr/sites/pyramidratap.html
Ratapignata Pyramid

A strange pyramid is located on the hillside north of Nice and northwest of Falicon. The pyramid is fairly small and now showing the signs of age (the top has been truncated at about 3 m), but the lower part is in good condition. It was discovered in 1804, and was calculated to have been 9 m tall. Its uniqueness and mystery make it worth visiting.

The stone pyramid is built over the opening of the Grotto (Aven) of Ratapignata, on the eastern flank of the ridge. The grotto beneath the pyramid is a karstic cave, called Bauma des Ratapignata in Occitan, or "Cave of the Bats".

This is one of the very rare pyramids to be found in Europe, and no clear explanation has ever been given for its existence. Among the various theories of its origin, the grandson of the famous archeologist John Ward-Perkins (shown here at the pyramid in 1996) thinks it might have marked the tomb of an ancient chieftain, possibly an exiled Egyptian
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The tale we heard in Falicon some ten years ago (1996) was that the pyramid was built by Roman legionnaires, and the 50-metre deep grotto was a temple to the Persian god Mithras.


http://www.archaeology.org/news/2771-141211-denmark-egypt-glass
Bronze Age Grave in Denmark Contained Egyptian Bead

AARHUS, DENMARK—The chemical composition of 23 glass beads unearthed in Denmark was examined with plasma-spectrometry, and compared with the trace elements found in beads from Amarna in Egypt and Nippur in Mesopotamia. One of the beads, made of blue glass, had come from a woman’s Bronze Age burial that was excavated in 1880 at the Ølby site. She had been buried in a hollowed-out oak trunk wearing a belt disc, a string skirt with small bronze tubes, a bracelet made of amber beads, and a single blue glass bead.
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http://sciencenordic.com/danish-bronze-age-glass-beads-traced-egypt
Danish Bronze Age glass beads traced to Egypt
December 8, 2014 - 06:23



An international collaboration between Moesgaard Museum in Aarhus, the National Museum of Denmark in Copenhagen, and Institut de Recherche sur les Archéomatériaux (IRAMAT) at Orléans, France, has resulted in a sensational discovery about the trade routes between Denmark and the ancient civilisations in Egypt and Mesopotamia in the Bronze Age 3,400 years ago. The discovery also gives us new knowledge about the sun cult in the Nordic Bronze Age.'
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Globalisation in the Bronze Age

Twenty-three glass beads from Denmark were analysed using plasma-spectrometry. Without destroying the fragile beads, this technique makes it possible to compare the chemical composition of trace elements in the beads with reference material from Amarna in Egypt and Nippur in Mesopotamia, about 50 km south east of Baghdad in Iraq. The comparison showed that the chemical composition of the two sets of trace elements match.

The researchers' first object for comparison was a bead from a wealthy woman's grave at Ølby, about 40 km south of Copenhagen. The woman had been buried in a more extravagant fashion, lying in a hollowed-out oak trunk and wearing a beautiful belt disc, a smart string skirt with tinkling, shining small bronzes tubes, and an overarm bracelet made of amber beads, and a single blue glass bead.

The glass bead turned out to be Egyptian. This is the first time that typical Egyptian cobalt glass has been discovered outside the Mediterranean area
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« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2014, 07:32:10 PM »
Hi T.
          Only the privileged hold the key to the true history of mankind, we are force fed Sh**t sandwiches.
When I was a kid my dream was to be an archaeologist, for years I would dig up indian artifects, save up money to buy old swords etc.., had a hell of a collection.
         Bottom line, public school history classes ended my dream, endless reams of BS to avoid the real deal.
I asked a history teacher a  reasonable question and was told, your book is the standard and we follow the rules, its required reading.
          Looking back it was as if the teacher was close to an apoligy, kinda like ( in order to make a paycheck I have to feed you kids this HS)

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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2014, 01:47:00 PM »
King Tut was a red headed Atlantean/European conqueror ...






http://stevenmcollins.com/WordPress/?p=2569
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Despite the refusal of the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any
DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match with Western European Y chromosomes.

The DNA test results were inadvertently revealed on a Discovery Channel TV documentary filmed with Hawass’s permission — but it seems as if the Egyptian failed to spot the giveaway part of the documentary which revealed the test results.

Hawass previously announced that he would not release the racial DNA results of Egyptian mummies — obviously because he feared the consequences of such a revelation.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2022313/Up-70-British-men-related-Egyptian-Pharaoh-Tutankhamun.html

Swiss company reconstructs King Tut's DNA profile from Discovery Channel documentary
Results show he belonged to 'haplogroup' common to half of Western European men
Claims disputed by fellow geneticists

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It is estimated that the earliest migration of haplogroup R1b1a2 into Europe began with the spread of agriculture in 7,000 BC, according to iGENEA.

However, the geneticists were not sure how Tutankhamun's paternal lineage came to Egypt from its region of origin.

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see:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_suppressedearthhistory02.htm
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Numerous Egyptian artifacts have been found in Spain, dating from the Third Dynasty (well before the time of Akhenaten and the supposed flight of Meritaten), indicating long-established links between Egypt and Spain. (However, as far as I can see the author does not claim that Egyptian artifacts have been found at motilla sites).

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http://www.philipcoppens.com/euro_pyrs.html
Europe’s pyramid history unveiled

The possibility of European pyramids is like London busses: you wait for centuries, and all of a sudden, two come along at the same time: in early 2003 in Italy, and in 2005 in Bosnia. After less than one year’s of scientific analysis, the Bosnian pyramid is already identified as an artificial structure, thus finally providing proof that Europe does have a pyramid past.

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https://archive.org/stream/cavalierspioneer00nuge#page/40/mode/2up
The Red-Haired Race And The Atlantean Connection
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R1b1a2 and the myth of red hair in Egypt

So, was the lineage of pharaohs the same lineage that represents over 50 per cent of modern European men?

Interestingly, a mysterious race of redheaded mummies is being found all over the globe, including Egypt. Although some people argue that the blonde hair might in some cases be the result of mummification or that the people might have dyed their hair, the coincidence seems almost incredible, considering that the Irish are part of the same haplogroup as the lineage of the pharaohs.


The Atlantean connection

It is documented that red-haired people were known to many of the peoples of the ancient world, but they always constituted a minority in every population . Their appearance in areas like Egypt and Peru surprises us for the climate, but the location in South America surprises us even more for the distance of the alleged source.
 Did they really arrive from the Caucasus? Or did they come from Western territories, maybe from a sunken continent?
Plato was certainly not the only one who mentioned the existence of the mythical Atlantis. There’s in fact reason to believe that Plato gathered much of his knowledge as well as the tale of Atlantis from his visits in Egypt.
 The Egyptians probably mentioned Atlantis in their writings – the writings about the mysterious land “Amentet”, the Land of the West.

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http://www.european-pyramids.eu/wb/pages/european-pyramids/italy.php

The existence of ancient lava stone pyramids in Italy has long been known. There are several terraced lava stone structures in Sardinia and Sicily, excavated and studied scientifically.

But what is generally unknown is the fact that since 2003 several grass covered pyramid hills of 50 - 100m size have been discovered by aerial or satellite imagery, suggesting strongly that there are man made pyramid construcions underneath




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« Reply #70 on: December 15, 2014, 06:52:53 PM »
I have forgotten the name of the man who said...:
                          " There are more mystery's on earth than in all the heavens"

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« Reply #71 on: December 15, 2014, 07:03:31 PM »
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/redhairedmummiescanaryislands.html
The Red Haired Mummies of the Canary Islands


Off the coast of West Africa lie the Canary Islands - this region became home to a mysterious group of Nordics in antiquity who became known as the Guanches.

The best evidence of what these original Guanche Nordics looked like, is in the fortuitous existence of original Guanche mummies, which are on public display in that island group's national museum.

The most stunning link between the Guanches and the Egyptians comes in the form of pyramids - the Guanches built several small step pyramids on the islands, using exactly the same model as those found in ancient Egypt and in Mesopotamia. The pyramids have an east-west alignment.

Generally dolichocephalic, fair-featured with blond or red-hair, with males over six foot tall and women approaching six feet in height, they were a people of tall, strong and comely appearance, resembling many Northern Europeans today but for a generally greater and more robust stature.
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http://www.gigalresearch.com/uk/bulletins-8.php
Mauritius Island pyramids


"Here are three of the seven pyramids I have identified in Mauritius as being identical to those on Tenerife Island, in Güimar (Canary Islands), thousands of kilometres away
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« Reply #72 on: February 06, 2015, 03:00:28 PM »
The original Mediterranean diet plus slave service ...

http://www.insidescience.org/content/dinner-pisos/2536
Ancient Romans ate meals most Americans would recognize.
Originally published:  Feb 3 2015 - 3:30pm  .
 By:  Joel N. Shurkin, Contributor  .
 
(Inside Science) -- Let's pretend it is 56 B.C. and you have been fortunate enough to be invited to a party at the home of Lucius Calpurnius Piso Caesoninus, a great social coup. Piso, after all, was Julius Caesar's father-in-law and a consul of Rome.

What's for dinner?

You need to prepare for pig. Archaeologists studying the eating habits of ancient Etruscans and Romans have found that pork was the staple of Italian cuisine before and during the Roman Empire. Both the poor and the rich ate pig as the meat of choice, although the rich, like Piso, got better cuts, ate meat more often and likely in larger quantities.

They had pork chops and a form of bacon. They even served sausages and prosciutto; in other words, a meal not unlike what you'd find in Rome today -- or in South Philadelphia.

http://www.seriouseats.com/2011/09/best-cheesesteak-sandwiches-in-philadelphia-philly.html
Steak Milano from John's Roast Pork

Researchers discussed this ancient Mediterranean diet at a meeting of the Archaeological Institute of America in New Orleans in January.
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Besides the meat, there would be vegetables that looked little different from what we eat, said Angela Trentacoste of the University of Sheffield in the United Kingdom. Except for grain, which was imported in huge quantities from places like North Africa, everything was locally grown.
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One legend is true, MacKinnon said: Vomitoriums. There might be so much food at Piso's table, and everyone would want to indulge. To make room, they would excuse themselves from the table and purge.
Dinner parties were the way the Roman aristocracy showed off their wealth and prestige, according to Michael MacKinnon, professor of archaeology at the University of Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
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« Reply #73 on: March 04, 2015, 01:46:09 PM »
Finnish Crusader Viking ...

http://yle.fi/uutiset/thousand-year_old_swordsman_rises_from_the_earth/6934793
News 14.11.2013 16:32 | updated 14.11.2013 20:39
Thousand-year old swordsman rises from the earth

Archaeology hobbyists were stunned when they unearthed a remarkable historical find from a field in Janakkala, southern Finland. The ancient grave site appeared to be that of an early crusader buried with two swords from different eras.
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Rare Crusade-era grave site

Upon further investigation the find turned out to be both rare and valuable. Researchers found a grave dating back to the Crusade-era 12th century. The cadaver had been extremely well preserved allowing researchers to use new techniques to harvest information that would not have been previously possible.

On top of all this, the find was a rare two-sword grave, in other words this traveller had two swords to accompany him on his journey into the afterlife. As a bonus puzzler, the swords originated from different historical periods.

There were two swords, one on top of the other, the smaller of which was a Viking-era artifact. There is now speculation that it may have been in a fire. In other words, it may have been an heirloom that was in a cremation fire. So that’s a rare combination. It’s one of the longest swords in Finland, from the crusade or medieval era roughly,” said the NBA’s researcher Simo Vanhatalo, who led the dig last week.

In addition to the swords, an array of tools had been provided for the dead traveller, including a spearhead and an axe blade. The remains indicate that the dead adventurer was a strapping 180 cm tall man who also carried his own 120-cm sword dating back to the period of the Vikings or Crusades.

( 180 cm = 5' 11"



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« Reply #74 on: March 04, 2015, 01:57:16 PM »
One of my ancestors :-\:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-norfolk-31659025

Coins in the grave have suggested the skeleton and jewellery date from circa 630-650AD.

University of East Anglia (UEA) student Mr Lucking, who lives in Bowthorpe on the outskirts of Norwich, said the importance of his find "hasn't sunk in really".

http://www.archaeology.org/news/3047-150227-england-anglo-saxon-pendant
Noblewoman’s Grave Yields Anglo-Saxon Jewelry
NORFOLK, ENGLAND—Archaeology student Tom Lucking was exploring a private field with a metal detector when a large and deep signal led him to the top of a bronze bowl. He refilled the hole and called in the geophysics team from the Suffolk Archaeological Field Group and Norfolk County Council’s Heritage Environment Service. The excavation revealed that the bowl was at the foot of the grave of an Anglo-Saxon noblewoman who had been buried with a fine pendant made of gold and jewels. “It’s so beautifully made. The garnet cells even have scored gold ‘foil’ at the back of them to catch the light,” archaeologist Steven Ashley of the Historic Environment Service said of the pendant. She also had a chatelaine, and a necklace made of two gold beads and repurposed gold coins. One of the coins in the necklace dates to between 639 and 656, and was minted for the Frankish king, Sigebert III. The bronze bowl was probably also imported from France. “She’s going to have known the kings of East Anglia, and France,” archaeologist Helen Geake commented to EDP 24. The woman’s skeletal remains will be analyzed for information about her age, diet, and medical conditions

http://www.edp24.co.uk/norfolk-life/amazing_anglo_saxon_pendant_joins_the_ranks_of_major_treasures_discovered_in_our_region_1_3972534
Trevor Heaton
Friday, February 27, 2015
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In her role as one of the experts in Channel 4’s long-running Time Team series, Dr Helen Geake saw many exciting finds come to the surface. But the discovery of the stunning gold and jewel pendant, dug out of a muddy South Norfolk field and announced today, tops the lot.

“It’s the single most exciting discovery I have ever been present at,” Dr Geake said.
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Now the South Norfolk pendant, the latest in a long line of spectacular discoveries from Norfolk, is set to join that famous list. “It’s going to be a nationally-important thing,” Dr Geake added. Nothing else has been found quite like it.

The exquisite 7cm pendant is stunningly made with gold ‘cells’ and red garnet inlays. Some of the garnets have been cut to make animal ‘interlace’, a popular and highly-skilled design technique from the period where representations of creatures are stretched out and intricately interwoven.
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The bowl turned out to be at the foot of a grave with the badly-preserved bones of an adult Anglo-Saxon. As the excavation continued it was clear that this was a female because of the jewelry being discovered. It included a ‘chatelaine’, a long strip with probably silver rings which would have been hung from a girdle.

The pendant is the undoubted star find from the excavation, but there are other items to indicate that this was a noblewoman of wealth and taste. Some of them were made in the Kingdom of the Franks, part of what was to later become France.

They include two pendants made from re-used gold coins. One of them has been dated to between 639-656 when it was minted for Frankish king Sigebert III, probably near Marseilles, so we know the grave must be dated to just after this. The pendants, along with two gold beads, formed part of a ‘choker’-style necklace.
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The bones of the noblewoman have already been taken to Norwich Castle Museum for analysis. We should be able to discover more about her lifestyle, including her age and clues to her diet and medical conditions. The finds will be considered at a special inquest to decide if they are Treasure.

The debate will then begin about what happens next to this amazing discovery, and whether the finds can be kept in Norfolk. This is a story 14 centuries in the making, and there’s a lot more to come yet.

Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2015, 02:20:22 PM »
The oldest Viking ...

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/history-stokke-norway-100814.html
Norway’s rich history dates to the last ice age some 10,000 years ago. In Stokke, 68 miles south of Oslo, commemorations mark events as ancient as Viking explorations and newer happenings less than a hundred years ago. The best weather for outdoor explorations in Stokke runs from late-June to early-August, as warm temperatures and green landscapes greet visitors.

The Vikings

Remembered primarily as fierce pirates, Vikings were also shrewd traders who left their Scandinavian homelands and traveled throughout Europe and the United Kingdom. Viking graves dating from 500 to 1000 A.D. are visible along Road 303 between Melsomvik and Tonsberg; the largest burial ground is found at Skjersnes, with 11 additional graves near the Melsom School. Buried in the 10th century and discovered in the twentieth, the “Grimestad Treasure” is now on display at the University of Oslo, 67 miles from Stokke

http://www.gonorway.no/norway/counties/vestfold/stokke/10/index.html
GRIMESTAD TREASURE

In 1936 there was a large treasure-trove found at Grimestad. It contained about 30 silver bracelets of various sizes, 7 silver bars of different sizes and 46 whole and half silver coins. The coins were all of the so-caled "kyfiske" type, that is, they were stamped with a sort ot Arabic print which came from the town Kufa in Mesopotamia. The newest of the coins was stamped in the year 922. The find is one of the biggest of it's kind in Europe. It is presumed that the Grimestad treasure could have been buried in the second half of the 10th century. The find was sent to Univensitetets Oldsakssamling.


http://www.thelocal.no/20150216/stone-age-skeleton-found-in-summer-judged-norways-oldest
Stone Age skeleton judged Norway's oldest
Published: 16 Feb 2015 23:41 GMT+01:00

The Stone Age skeleton found in Norway last summer could be as much as 8000 years old, archeologists now believe, making it by far the oldest ever discovered in the country.
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“Brunstad man”, whose remains were found in Stokke, south of Oslo, is now believed to be from the Mesolithic period, which spans from 10,000BC-4000BC)

“The discovery is sensational in Norwegian, and indeed even in a north European context,” Almut Schülke, an archaeologist working for the Museum of Cultural History at the University of Oslo, told Aftenposten journalists when they visited the laboratory where the find is being analysed on Monday. “It is very seldom that we find bones from the stone age.”

The skeleton is in an extremely fragile condition, meaning researchers are painstakingly examining it tiny fragment by tiny fragment, documenting the location of everything as accurately as possible and feeding it into a 3-D computer model of the find.

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http://www.aftenposten.no/fakta/innsikt/Norges-eldste-skjelett-ut-av-jorden-7903422.html


Sara Gummesson er arkeoostolog (spesialist på ben) og driver detektivarbeid i jord som er kompakt som betong. Rester av røtter som har vokst inn i bena bidrar til å gjøre identifiseringsarbeidet vanskelig.
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« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2015, 02:54:27 PM »
[ look at earlier posts on Doggerland .... ]

http://theconversation.com/ancient-britons-had-wheat-2000-years-before-they-had-farms-38012
February 27 2015, 6.02am EST
Ancient Britons had wheat 2000 years before they had farms

Wheat has been found in a settlement on England’s south coast dating back to 6000BC – 2000 years before farming reached Britain. This finding overturns many cherished archaeological beliefs – or myths – about the era. Though they were once patronised as simplistic hunter-gatherers, it turns out early Britons must have been active traders with the agricultural superpowers of their day in France and the Balkans. It’s time to reassess Mesolithic man.

The introduction of farming is usually regarded as a defining historic moment for human societies. Agriculture creates the conditions for permanent settlement, urbanisation and complex societies.

The positive impact and significance of farming, starting during the period known as the Neolithic, is often contrasted harshly with preceding hunter gatherer cultures. These societies, associated with a period entitled the Mesolithic in Britain (c. 10,000-4000 BC), were relatively mobile and the passage of time has been unforgiving in respect of the survival of their material culture.
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The presence of wheat suggests the existence of a web of social networks stretching between Mesolithic Britain and the advancing Neolithic front far to the south and east. Far from being simple or isolated, the Mesolithic peoples of southern Britain were probably engaged in trading or gifting exotic foodstuffs across much of continental Europe – it seems absolutely unreasonable to imply that hunter gatherer groups were passive recipients in such an exchange.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-31648990
Scientists find evidence of wheat in UK 8,000 years ago
By Helen Briggs

Environment Correspondent, BBC News

The site is submerged in the Solent

Wheat was present in Britain 8,000 years ago, according to new archaeological evidence.

Fragments of wheat DNA recovered from an ancient peat bog suggests the grain was traded or exchanged long before it was grown by the first British farmers.

The research, published in Science, suggests there was a sophisticated network of cultural links across Europe.

The grain was found at what is now a submerged cliff off the Isle of Wight.
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Tangible link
 
And Garry Momber of the Maritime Archaeology Trust, which collected the samples from the site, said work in the Solent had opened up an understanding of the UK's formative years in a way that he never dreamed possible.

"The material remains left behind by the people that occupied Britain as it was finally becoming an island 8,000 years ago, show that these were sophisticated people with technologies thousands of years more advanced than previously recognised.

"The DNA evidence corroborates the archaeological evidence and demonstrates a tangible link with the continent that appears to have become severed when Britain became an island."
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http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6225/998.abstract
Sedimentary DNA from a submerged site reveals wheat in the British Isles 8000 years ago

Oliver Smith1,  Garry Momber2,  Richard Bates3,  Paul Garwood4,  Simon Fitch5,  Mark Pallen6,*,  Vincent Gaffney7,*,
 Robin G. Allaby1,*,†

 The Mesolithic-to-Neolithic transition marked the time when a hunter-gatherer economy gave way to agriculture, coinciding with rising sea levels. Bouldnor Cliff, is a submarine archaeological site off the Isle of Wight in the United Kingdom that has a well-preserved Mesolithic paleosol dated to 8000 years before the present. We analyzed a core obtained from sealed sediments, combining evidence from microgeomorphology and microfossils with sedimentary ancient DNA (sedaDNA) analyses to reconstruct floral and faunal changes during the occupation of this site, before it was submerged.

 In agreement with palynological analyses, the sedaDNA sequences suggest a mixed habitat of oak forest and herbaceous plants. However, they also provide evidence of wheat 2000 years earlier than mainland Britain and 400 years earlier than proximate European sites. These results suggest that sophisticated social networks linked the Neolithic front in southern Europe to the Mesolithic peoples of northern Europe.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einkorn_wheat
Einkorn wheat (from German Einkorn, literally "single grain") can refer either to the wild species of wheat, Triticum baeoticum, or to the domesticated form, Triticum monococcum. The wild and domesticated forms are either considered separate species, as here, or as subspecies: Triticum monococcum subsp. baeoticum (wild) and T. monococcum subsp. monococcum (domesticated). Einkorn is a diploid species (2n = 14 chromosomes) of hulled wheat, with tough glumes ('husks') that tightly enclose the grains. The cultivated form is similar to the wild, except that the ear stays intact when ripe and the seeds are larger.

Einkorn wheat was one of the first plants to be domesticated and cultivated. The earliest clear evidence of the domestication of Einkorn dates from 10,600 to 9,900 years before present (8,650 BC to 7,950 BC) from two archaeological sites in southern Turkey.[1]
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« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2015, 03:10:08 PM »
   Hi T. I'm still hung up on:
The Derinkuyu underground city (Cappadocian Greek: Ανακού) is an ancient multi-level underground city in the Derinkuyu district in Nevşehir Province, Turkey. Extending to a depth of approximately 60 m, it was large enough to shelter approximately 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. It is the largest excavated underground city in Turkey and is one of several underground complexes found across Cappadocia.[citation needed] WIK
  Dated 3000 years ago.

Did the Vikings visit N.America........Not ragging on Columbus, BUT.

Hurstwic: Other Viking Artifacts in North America
www.hurstwic.org/history/.../text/other_artifacts.htm

Other Viking Artifacts in North America. L'Anse aux Meadows Maine coin There are a small group of Norse artifacts found in North America that are widely ...
Hurstwic: Viking-age Exploration in North America
www.hurstwic.org/.../North_American_exploration....

L'Anse aux Meadows, located on the northern tip of Newfoundland, Canada, is the only authenticated Norse site in North America. About 1000 years ago, Norse ...

Check out Dighton Rock, Mass. Some say its a forgery(  the why is it encased in a bomb proof bunker.. The Phoenicians visited this area and carved inscriptions, I have been there, spent days looking around, it is not a fake.......Just my opinion. Although archeologists have been of the same feeling.

Public schools, history ( a waste) scripted by the the ole Gov.

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« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2015, 03:19:56 PM »
every indication is there was trans-Atlantic trade 3000BC  ...

http://www.philipcoppens.com/copper.html
Copper: a world trade in 3000 BC?

Europe’s economy between 2000 and 1000 BC stood and fell with copper, used for the creation of bronze. At the same time, large quantities of copper were mined in America, though no-one seems to know who was using it. A question of a world economy, and supply and demand?
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The chief ingredient for bronze is copper. The era around 3000 BC saw more than 500,000 tons of copper being mined in the so-called Upper Peninsula, in the American state of Michigan.

The largest mine was on Isle Royale, an island in Lake Superior, near the Canadian border. Here, there are thousands of prehistoric copper pits, dug thousands of years ago by ancient peoples unknown. The Minong Belt on Isle Royale has a distance of one and three quarter miles in length and is nearly four hundred feet wide. The copper pits range ten tot thirty feet deep with connecting tunnels; one archaeologist estimated that their digging would take the equivalent of 10,000 men working for 1000 years.

 After two centuries of speculation, no-one has ever satisfactorily explained where the world’s purist copper might have gone.

Extraction from Isle Royal began in 5300 BC, with some even claiming that it began as early as 6000 BC. Evidence for smelting is known to exist from “only” 4000 BC onwards.

 The exact size of the mined ore is perhaps never going to be exactly determined, but what is known, is that ca. 1200 BC, all mining activity was halted. But around 1000 AD, mining was restarted and lasted until 1320 AD. During this period, a moderate 2000 tons were removed

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« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2015, 03:25:20 PM »
   Hi T. I'm still hung up on:
The Derinkuyu underground city (Cappadocian Greek: Ανακού) is an ancient multi-level underground city in the Derinkuyu district in Nevşehir Province, Turkey. Extending to a depth of approximately 60 m, it was large enough to shelter approximately 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. It is the largest excavated underground city in Turkey and is one of several underground complexes found across Cappadocia.[citation needed] WIK
  Dated 3000 years ago.

Did the Vikings visit N.America........Not ragging on Columbus, BUT.

Hurstwic: Other Viking Artifacts in North America
www.hurstwic.org/history/.../text/other_artifacts.htm

Other Viking Artifacts in North America. L'Anse aux Meadows Maine coin There are a small group of Norse artifacts found in North America that are widely ...
Hurstwic: Viking-age Exploration in North America
www.hurstwic.org/.../North_American_exploration....

L'Anse aux Meadows, located on the northern tip of Newfoundland, Canada, is the only authenticated Norse site in North America. About 1000 years ago, Norse ...

Check out Dighton Rock, Mass. Some say its a forgery(  the why is it encased in a bomb proof bunker.. The Phoenicians visited this area and carved inscriptions, I have been there, spent days looking around, it is not a fake.......Just my opinion. Although archeologists have been of the same feeling.

Public schools, history ( a waste) scripted by the the ole Gov.

From where did the Phoenician gold come that filled Salomon's temple to God... Salomon's wealth in gold alone was measured as many hundreds of tons. The Vikings were late comers, merely rediscovering...

The Inuit Eskimos described the Norse they encountered as people of great stature 7 feet or so, and men of short stature 4 feet or so... (chuckle)... loggers and miners...

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