Best Song Ever: Stairway To Heaven

[Freeski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugxFcmZXDyc

10 minutes of goodness, for a change.

[Ghost of Oliver Cromwell]

No stairway denied! 

[decepticon]

do you know what the stairway to heaven is ?

[Freeski]

do you know what the stairway to heaven is ?

I have no idea.

But I have been wondering about that for 30 years (because I've heard stuff), but tonight I thought I'd rig up one of my favourite songs and experience something good after looking into some unbelievably horribly shit. I wanted something positive, something to take the load off, aka great musicianship. Nothing more than that.

But please go ahead, fill me in.

Truth trumps all.

[pac522]

This song is about a woman who accumulates money, but finds out the hard way her life had no meaning and will not get her into heaven. Bow to leaper messiah.

[Freeski]

This song is about a woman who accumulates money, but finds out the hard way her life had no meaning and will not get her into heaven. Bow to leaper messiah.

I'm no expert but I've always thought of it as a song about rock and roll itself, a build up from soft rock to the crescendo. "Your head is humming..."

[MonkeyPuppet]

Stairway is part of my regular warm-up routine before I get started recording the original oddities in my head... both guitar and vocals

[tritonman]

If you want some music to really lift your mind out of the doldrums try this out.  It truly is a masterpiece that often is overlooked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugRct9pNQYM

Terrapin Station - The Complete Song - Studio version - Grateful Dead
14:55 length

[decepticon]

Well it is without a doubt one of the most finely crafted pieces of music ever.

In masonry there is a stairway to enlightenment. You can either interpret it as the 33-step masonic leveling.



Or this staircase, which I believe is more symbolic and important. This was the original staircase used by the original masons. Adam Weishaupt perverted its meanings though. At the top is a window, or enlightenment, a view you would never have otherwise.

That second to last step from the top is no coincidence 



A mason introducing a recruit to the "steps"



Illuminati love to use this symbology to this very day. Little known fact, before Lady Gaga hit it big, she was on an MTV or VH1 hidden camera show where they try and aggravate you to the point where you get pissed off and run away. If you hold out for whatever the time length they set, like 5 minutes, than you "win" and get a prize or whatever.

Lady Gaga was one of the "unsuspecting" contestants on the show (i know what are the odds), she didn't get mad so she won the prize. She was promptly escorted up a spiral staircase to receive her gift. All ceremonial.

As far as who the lady is, and other things in this song, I'm not sure. But I think I know who the pied piper is 

One thing I will say, when he says "There walks a lady we all know, Who shines white light" well, she sounds very, umm...illuminated. 

Bottom line when you get to the top of these steps, you are enlightened, you are on par with God, you can reach heaven.

 

[pac522]

Although Led Zepplin were very, mystic, occultic and went down to the cross roads and made a deal with ole scratch, I don't think they were very masonic at all, maybe some how the occultic over tones pick up on some Masonic innuendos. Read Hammer of the Gods, The Led Zepplin saga.

[Animadverto]

It also has a backmasking message, but I will let you figure that one out for yourself.

[tritonman]

If you want some music to really lift your mind out of the doldrums try this out.  It truly is a masterpiece that often is overlooked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugRct9pNQYM

Terrapin Station - The Complete Song - Studio version - Grateful Dead
14:55 length

The lead runs that start at about the 12:00 minute mark are really incredible.   Garcia was so freaking fluid and the drumming is second to none o this entire piece. 

[tritonman]

It also has a backmasking message, but I will let you figure that one out for yourself.

Turn me on dead man. lol   oops, just kidding.

[decepticon]

Although Led Zepplin were very, mystic, occultic and went down to the cross roads and made a deal with ole scratch, I don't think they were very masonic at all, maybe some how the occultic over tones pick up on some Masonic innuendos. Read Hammer of the Gods, The Led Zepplin saga.

I didn't mean to imply Zep was card carrying members at the local lodge. Just the "stairway" concept is the gradual indoctrination used to introduce people to Luciferianism. If you will, it's the path you must go down to become like God. The plan is to become "illuminated" or knowledgeable in the world, until you know as much as God, which will make you "as the most high."  To "eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil". It's always the same song, just different tunes.

[Khazaq]

"From the early 1970s to the early 1990s,[127] Page owned the Boleskine House, the former residence of occultist Aleister Crowley.[127][128] Sections of Page's fantasy sequence in the film The Song Remains the Same were filmed at night on the mountain side directly behind Boleskine House." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Page#Personal_life

"Page claimed that the house was haunted by a decapitated head.[1]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boleskine_House#Ownership_by_Jimmy_Page

"Interest in the occult
A derivative of Page's Saturn sigil, itself derived from a 1557 source

The appearance of four symbols on the jacket of Led Zeppelin's fourth album has been linked to Page's interest in the occult.[138] The four symbols represented each member of the band. Page's own so-called "Zoso" symbol originated in 'Ars Magica Arteficii' (1557) by J Cardan, an old alchemical grimoire, where it has been identified as a sigil consisting of zodiac signs. The sigil is reproduced in "Dictionary of Occult, Hermetic and Alchemical Sigils" by Fred Gettings.[139][140]

During tours and performances after the release of the fourth album, Page often had the "Zoso" symbol embroidered on his clothes, along with zodiac symbols. These were visible most notably on his "Dragon Suit", which included the signs for Capricorn, Scorpio and Cancer which are Page's Sun, Ascendant, and Moon signs, respectively.

The artwork inside the album cover of Led Zeppelin IV is from a painting by William Holman Hunt, influenced by the traditional Rider/Waite Tarot card design for the card called "The Hermit".[138] Page transforms into this character during his fantasy sequence in Led Zeppelin's concert film The Song Remains the Same.

In the early 1970s Page owned an occult bookshop and publishing house, "The Equinox Booksellers and Publishers" in Kensington High Street, London, eventually closing it as the increasing success of Led Zeppelin resulted in his having insufficient time to devote to it. The company published a facsimile of English occultist's Aleister Crowley's 1904 edition of The Goetia.[141] Page has maintained a strong interest in Crowley for many years. In 1978, he explained:

    I feel Aleister Crowley is a misunderstood genius of the 20th century. Because his whole thing was liberation of the person, of the entity, and that restrictions would foul you up, lead to frustration which leads to violence, crime, mental breakdown, depending on what sort of makeup you have underneath. The further this age we're in now gets into technology and alienation, a lot of the points he's made seem to manifest themselves all down the line.[142]

Page was commissioned to write the soundtrack music for the film Lucifer Rising by another occultist and Crowley admirer, underground movie director Kenneth Anger. Page ultimately produced 23 minutes of music which Anger felt was insufficient because the film ran for 28 minutes and Anger wanted the film to have a full soundtrack. Anger claimed Page took three years to deliver the music, and the final product was only 23 minutes of droning. The director also slammed the guitarist in the press by calling him a "dabbler" in the occult and an addict, and being too strung out on drugs to complete the project. Page countered that he had fulfilled all his obligations, even going so far as to lend Anger his own film editing equipment to help him finish the project.[143]

Although Page collected works by Crowley, he has never described himself as a Thelemite nor was he ever initiated into the O.T.O. The Equinox Bookstore and Boleskine House were both sold off during the 1980s, as Page settled into family life and participated in charity work." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Page#Interest_in_the_occult

[decepticon]

Anger wanted the film to have a full soundtrack. Anger claimed Page took three years to deliver the music, and the final product was only 23 minutes of droning. The director also slammed the guitarist in the press by calling him a "dabbler" in the occult and an addict, and being too strung out on drugs to complete the project.

Amazing how they just throw each other under the bus like that. One day you're working with a guy, you and him go to make a movie, he doesn't really live up to your expectations, so you sell him down the river and air all his dirty laundry to a national audience in an attempt to utterly destroy him.

Glad I don't play on that team.

[Khazaq]

I remember watching a Christian documentary about Rock and Roll which implied that mysterious deaths in the family of Jimmy Page occurred after he purchased the house of Aleister Crowley.  Unfortunately, it's been a few years since I watched the documentary, and I can't remember the title.  If anyone knows what I'm talking about, I'd appreciate help finding it again.  I don't know if it was Hell's Bells or something else.

[Khazaq]

Amazing how they just throw each other under the bus like that. One day you're working with a guy, you and him go to make a movie, he doesn't really live up to your expectations, so you sell him down the river and air all his dirty laundry to a national audience in an attempt to utterly destroy him.

Glad I don't play on that team.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"

"Love is the law.  Love under will."

But true love is self-sacrificing.  It often demands that one deny one's one will in the best interest of others.  So the love that Crowley, Thelemists, and other Satanists invoke is a lie.  Perhaps their true saying should be understood as "Lies are the law.  Lies under will."

[MonkeyPuppet]

Whenever discussing music, especially "Rock 'N Roll", those proclaiming to know the ins and outs of evil ascribe it to every song you ever enjoyed.  Sure, some people "dabble" in the occult or find their own enjoyment from it (take that as you will), but I've never known a musician who actually worshiped Lucifer, and most don't give a shit about religion one way or the other.  Granted, I've never met any of the "greats", but I've met a lot that are signed and touring... not many of them care about religion, dark or light, except maybe one who just happens to be a gospel singer (former "rock 'n roller").  Also, keep in mind that mocking something doesn't necessary mean you want to suck Satan's dick, either... look at Brian Warner / Marilyn Manson.  Sure, he thinks Christianity is crap, but he also thinks Satan worshipers are stupid, too... here's a clip, and there's plenty more all over YouTube of his interviews.  He's never once contradicted himself in that format, yet people think he's evil along with Led Zeppelin, The Doors, The Beatles, and hell just about everybody else in Rock 'N Roll.

Just like talismans, music has the power you give it.  If a song "makes" you have evil thoughts or do evil things, then you're the evil douche, not the music or the musicians who made it.  Even if you feel utter happiness when you listen to a song, it could very well bring tears to the eyes of the writer.

I don't really care why a musician writes what they do or how they felt/feel about it.  All I really care about is how the music I like makes me feel.  The same goes for those who hear my shit.

[Suriel]

My favorite by them is The Rain Song.

[decepticon]

Whenever discussing music, especially "Rock 'N Roll", those proclaiming to know the ins and outs of evil ascribe it to every song you ever enjoyed.  Sure, some people "dabble" in the occult or find their own enjoyment from it (take that as you will), but I've never known a musician who actually worshiped Lucifer, and most don't give a shit about religion one way or the other.  Granted, I've never met any of the "greats", but I've met a lot that are signed and touring... not many of them care about religion, dark or light, except maybe one who just happens to be a gospel singer (former "rock 'n roller").  Also, keep in mind that mocking something doesn't necessary mean you want to suck Satan's dick, either... look at Brian Warner / Marilyn Manson.  Sure, he thinks Christianity is crap, but he also thinks Satan worshipers are stupid, too... here's a clip, and there's plenty more all over YouTube of his interviews.  He's never once contradicted himself in that format, yet people think he's evil along with Led Zeppelin, The Doors, The Beatles, and hell just about everybody else in Rock 'N Roll.

Just like talismans, music has the power you give it.  If a song "makes" you have evil thoughts or do evil things, then you're the evil douche, not the music or the musicians who made it.  Even if you feel utter happiness when you listen to a song, it could very well bring tears to the eyes of the writer.

I don't really care why a musician writes what they do or how they felt/feel about it.  All I really care about is how the music I like makes me feel.  The same goes for those who hear my shit.

mm...ok, i see.
can you maybe shed some light on what bargain bob dylan made with the "chief commander of this world and the one we can't see" ? maybe let us know who the chief commander is ? that'd be great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U18Q63zrZQs


while you're at it can you explain to me what his logo here means ?



let me guess, he was just joking and pulling everyones chain, he wasn't serious, he just did that to rile people up. but at the same time he's so hip and cool he doesn't care what anyone thinks...hmmmm....so why would he make such a bizarre statement..hmmm....

MAYBE BECAUSE HE MADE A DEAL WITH LUCIFER TO BE A ROCK STAR AND HE GOT WHAT HE BARGAINED FOR.

couldn't just be that simple though could it ?

[Geolibertarian]

Whenever discussing music, especially "Rock 'N Roll", those proclaiming to know the ins and outs of evil ascribe it to every song you ever enjoyed.

And in doing so, divert attention from where the real evil lies: the banker-owned war machine.

[goforward]

This song is about a woman who accumulates money, but finds out the hard way her life had no meaning and will not get her into heaven. Bow to leaper messiah.

follow the piper 
They Sold Their Souls For Rock & Roll: Led Zeppelin Exposed
http://youtu.be/Iwzzb1mZuaU

[decepticon]

And in doing so, divert attention from where the real evil lies: the banker-owned war machine.

So I get this straight, a thread discussing music that is totally irrelevant to the shadow powers is not a distraction, but when people come along and say "this music is the pied piper's distraction", and actually attempt to make the thread relevant to the occultic undertones that the musicians and elitists share, those people are the distraction ?

[Valerius]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob's_Ladder

[decepticon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob's_Ladder

A ladder and a stairway are not the same thing.

[tritonman]

It always brings the tower of babel to my mind for some reason.

[decepticon]

You're not discussing music... you're discussing the ideals and religious persuasions of musicians.

I'm giving my interpretation to the lyrics of the song, how is that not discussing music ?

[MonkeyPuppet]

I'm giving my interpretation to the lyrics of the song, how is that not discussing music ?

Not really.  Bob Dylan made a bargain with a nonexistent entity... how's that lyric related?

[MonkeyPuppet]

MAYBE BECAUSE HE MADE A DEAL WITH LUCIFER TO BE A ROCK STAR AND HE GOT WHAT HE BARGAINED FOR.

The only "devil" any musician or band makes a deal with is a record and/or distribution label.

[goforward]

The only "devil" any musician or band makes a deal with is a record and/or distribution label.

That documentory "They Sold Their souls for Rock and Roll" has a cut down 4 hour version and an original 10 hour version. I saw both, both worth the time. It precisely documents from the start how star musicians practice and weave the ideals of Crowely and Blavatsky into their music. Charles Manson brainwashed his cult members with the Beatles. There is a core occultic/demonic aspect to the NWO that goes beyond humanist logic and reason or what consensus reason is. Why is this evil noise so appealing, because peoples morals are weak. Just my opinion. 

Not trying to be a wet blanket just think this is point worth looking at closely   

[decepticon]

Not really.  Bob Dylan made a bargain with a nonexistent entity... how's that lyric related?

Well Bob Dylan is musician you see...
I wasn't discussing lyrics in that particular post, but I was definitely discussing music which was your original gripe. I didn't say all my posts were about lyrics.  The thread had shifted to musicians influences, in part due to your post.
(If you don't want people discussing musicians possibly being influenced by satan, you really shouldn't write a multi-paragraph post on it.)

Made a deal with a non-existent entity ? Yeah I'm sure he just imagined it all in his head, that makes sense. He makes an imaginary pact with an imaginary being to "get where he is today", and just by pure coincidence he ends up exactly where he bargained to be *which would have been a 1 in 10,000,000 shot otherwise....yeah...

[MonkeyPuppet]

Well Bob Dylan is musician you see...
I wasn't discussing lyrics in that particular post, but I was definitely discussing music which was your original gripe. I didn't say all my posts were about lyrics.  The thread had shifted to musicians influences, in part due to your post.
(If you don't want people discussing musicians possibly being influenced by satan, you really shouldn't write a multi-paragraph post on it.)

Made a deal with a non-existent entity ? Yeah I'm sure he just imagined it all in his head, that makes sense. He makes an imaginary pact with an imaginary being to "get where he is today", and just by pure coincidence he ends up exactly where he bargained to be *which would have been a 1 in 10,000,000 shot otherwise....yeah...

Lot's of people "make it" in the industry.  Hell, many would argue that a great many of them hardly deserve it, but that's a matter of personal opinion.  Outfits like ClearChannel invest a shit-ton of money figuring what they can make money from.  It has little to do with talent, especially these days (AutoTune and a multitude of other lazy tools... I use them ).

As I said, the "devil" in this industry is the label and distribution channels.  Whatever "dabbling" the musicians do is irrelevant.  They would never "make it" anywhere of significance if these entities could not make money pushing their merch.

I get it, you anthropomorphize angels and demons to make the ideas of good and evil more understandable to you, and to provide excuses for all the good and bad things in the world.  To each their own.

When it comes to music, though, the personal beliefs of musicians means very little.  What matters is whether people will listen to it or not.

[decepticon]

I just know powerful music when I hear it.

You love to ignore the blatantly obvious, even out of the horses mouth. Go back to that youtube video in the OP. Look at the most thumbs-up comment.

"...I'm going to open up a first church of Zeppelin."

WTF is that Oh yeah we are definitely not dealing with spiritual powers in this song.

Irrelevant you say ? So just follow me here, we join the church of zeppelin, wonder what they're going to teach ? Wonder if Mr. Crowley is going to have any influence on that. Oh what's the difference, let everyone do whatever they want right ?

I know it's easier to look the other way if that suits you, but your whole attitude of right and wrong being relative and "It don't matter man" is BS. It DOES matter, EVERYTHING matters, and it affects EVERYONE. Including the children they rape and murder.

You may be able to look the other way but I will NOT.

[Animadverto]

[MonkeyPuppet]

I just know powerful music when I hear it.

You love to ignore the blatantly obvious, even out of the horses mouth. Go back to that youtube video in the OP. Look at the most thumbs-up comment.

"...I'm going to open up a first church of Zeppelin."

WTF is that Oh yeah we are definitely not dealing with spiritual powers in this song.

Irrelevant you say ? So just follow me here, we join the church of zeppelin, wonder what they're going to teach ? Wonder if Mr. Crowley is going to have any influence on that. Oh what's the difference, let everyone do whatever they want right ?

I know it's easier to look the other way if that suits you, but your whole attitude of right and wrong being relative and "It don't matter man" is BS. It DOES matter, EVERYTHING matters, and it affects EVERYONE. Including the children they rape and murder.

You may be able to look the other way but I will NOT.

Personally, I think anyone joining or attending the "Church of Zeppelin" is an idiot.  As for any influence on it, that's up to what the moron running it would teach, isn't it.  As for the influence it would have upon members, that's up to how stupid they are.

I don't believe right and wrong are relative.  This is a common misnomer among Christians and they're view upon anyone who claims they don't buy the dogma crap.  Look, I know exactly how much about what happens when we die as you do... nothing.  I also have as much empirical knowledge of any type of Creator as you do... none.  My faith is my own and relies not upon dogma of any kind.  It is with that sentiment that Christians, excluding my mother and pastor father who actually know me, think I have no moral compass.  Morality does not come from dogma, but rather a respect for life.  If you have no respect for life, you most likely have little regard for morality... NWO anyone?

The way children are affected by the lyrics of music is sometimes unfortunate, but that's not the music or the musician's fault necessarily.  Perhaps their moral compass is a bit off for any number of reasons... parents being the primary.

Music, like words, are not evil.  Sure, the intent can be evil, but then like offense, meaning is taken and unless you give it that power, it has none.

For the most part, though, I'd say you're projecting.  To invest this much energy into the personal beliefs of those whom put notes and words together, the enjoyment of which is purely subjective, tells me perhaps you've got too much time on your hands.  Focus that energy on issues that actually matter, and the affect of such subjective art works itself out naturally.

[decepticon]

Projecting ? LOL

Once the music thing bottoms out you'll make a great quack. You are spending just as much time and energy on it as I am. Everyone has the same amount of "time on their hands". There's no such thing as having too much or not enough. EVERYONE HAS THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT.

I shouldn't be using my time to inform people that they could possibly be being drawn into the cult and human sacrifice ? Yeah, looks like some raping and murdering going on here, lemme just go ahead and step back, wash my hands and close my eyes...no thanks.

It's not their personal beliefs, their beliefs are influencing everyone who listens to their music whether they know it or not.

Ah ya, so what some kids get raped, murdered, little human sacrifice, what's the big deal. Those people are obviously stupid and we shouldn't do anything to instruct them otherwise, wow what a model citizen. Your apathetic attitude towards society is exactly how the illuminati want people to be towards their fellow man.

It's cool man, just step back, let it all go down, don't make a stand on anything, just go with the flow. Who are we anyway ? What possible affect could we have on the world and people around us. Apparently none according to you. Might as well fold our hands and let it all go to hell. What a hero.

[EvadingGrid]

I feel Aleister Crowley is a misunderstood genius of the 20th century. Because his whole thing was liberation of the person, of the entity, and that restrictions would foul you up, lead to frustration which leads to violence, crime, mental breakdown, depending on what sort of makeup you have underneath. The further this age we're in now gets into technology and alienation, a lot of the points he's made seem to manifest themselves all down the line.

Jimmy Page

[EvadingGrid]

Was Jimmy Page's fascination with the occult responsible for some of Led Zeppelin's tragedies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMElEz3I0vo

[Khazaq]

Rock and roll was used to change our society and culture, to steer it away from traditional Christian values.  Today, the operation continues.  The music and entertainment industries, along with multiculturalism, destroyed American society.  There is no true American culture anymore, just pop culture.  One of the reasons America is no longer a nation but an empire.  A people can't really be called a nation unless they all share similar beliefs, traditions, religion, and culture, if not ethnicity.