NATO architected simultaneous false flags in Oslo, Norway which killed 60+

[larsonstdoc]

700 people on the island with an event for kids, hosted by the "ruling party" -- and no security? No way. One might wonder if someone other than a "lone-gunman" wanted a lot of dead people.

That's Prima Facie False Flag Evidence Right There!

  Yep and what about the police responding in 90 minutes?  Surely some of those kids had cell phones.  Seems to me the police were ordered to stand down.

[larsonstdoc]

That thread on bodybuilding.com is getting massive attention right now. It's #2 for non-stickied threads in their politics section.

Some quotes from the forum there, too.

  This is indeed a very interesting discussion.  Sounds like you are changing people's attitudes over there about WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN NORWAY.

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/24/norway.terror.attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


Authorities: Man accused in Norway terror attacks confesses

Oslo, Norway (CNN) -- The man accused of killing at least 93 people in Norway has said he carried out the bombing and mass shooting, authorities said Sunday, as an ashen-faced and openly weeping King Harald V led the nation in mourning.
The suspect has not pleaded guilty, and said he acted alone with no accomplice, acting National Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim told reporters Sunday.
A person wounded in the shootings on Utoya island died Sunday, Oslo University Hospital spokesman Jo Heldaas told CNN, adding one to the previous death toll of 92.
Also on Sunday, police conducted an operation in the eastern Oslo area of Slettelokka in connection with the bombing, police spokesman Anders Frydenberg told CNN.

[Dig]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/24/norway.terror.attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Authorities: Man accused in Norway terror attacks confesses

Oslo, Norway (CNN) -- The man accused of killing at least 93 people in Norway has said he carried out the bombing and mass shooting, authorities said Sunday, as an ashen-faced and openly weeping King Harald V led the nation in mourning.
The suspect has not pleaded guilty, and said he acted alone with no accomplice, acting National Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim told reporters Sunday.
A person wounded in the shootings on Utoya island died Sunday, Oslo University Hospital spokesman Jo Heldaas told CNN, adding one to the previous death toll of 92.
Also on Sunday, police conducted an operation in the eastern Oslo area of Slettelokka in connection with the bombing, police spokesman Anders Frydenberg told CNN.

The suspect has not pleaded guilty, and said he acted alone with no accomplice

He acted alone, with no accomplices? Well since he admitted to it (yet oddly enough does not plead guilty) then there really is no need to investigate the slaughter of 92 children in one of the most elite camps on the planet. MOVE ALONG! NOTHING TO SEE!

[larsonstdoc]

The suspect has not pleaded guilty, and said he acted alone with no accomplice

He acted alone, with no accomplices? Well since he admitted to it (yet oddly enough does not plead guilty) then there really is no need to investigate the slaughter of 92 children in one of the most elite camps on the planet. MOVE ALONG! NOTHING TO SEE!

  I wonder how shoddy this investigation will be.

[Dig]

Everything about the acts, the suspect(s), the event, the drama, the reactions that will be televised and discussed over the next 2 months has already been prepared in a Mythylogical script. We have seen this script building with the pre-climax being DHS's video targeting white people and the Nazi/Stasi predictive programming TV show 'HOMELAND'.

Just like the 9/11 mythology was scripted long before the event. Just to understand how insane these people are...years after 9/11 when public outcry demanded an investigation, the elite created the 9/11 commission. And who was the final author of the report from this so called "investigative analysis"? Was it a head investigator at the FBI? Was it a military expert with knowledge of such events?

Nope...it was Philip Zelikow. And what else has Philip Zelikow written? What is Philip Zelikow an expert in?

CREATING PUBLIC MYTHS!!!!

Philip Zelikow's college thesis:
Creating public myths

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Philip Zelikow: Catastrophic Terrorism: Imagining the Transformative Event
Philip Zelikow: Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission staff
9/11 Commission; Lee Hamilton, Thomas Kean

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Philip Zelikow - Catastrophic Terrorism: Imagining the Transformative Event
http://www.archive.org/details/PhilipZelikow-CatashropohicTerrorismImaginingTheTransformativeEvent
Audio from a clip from Snowshoe Film's documentary

Phillip D. Zelikow...911 Myth Maker
http://www.rense.com/general78/rapestory.htm
By Andrew 10-12-7

When you ask people to revisit the events of 9/11 and reconsider what really happened, you enter the twilight zone of public mythology where people don't want to rethink unhappy events and where you challenge their personal egos. Did you know that for the same reason that 2/3 of the women raped never report it, 2/3 of the victims of fraud never seek redress either? They find themselves at odds with their own egos; they simply don't want to admit that they have been so violated or duped. I believe that the story of Philip Zelikow is important to help people beyond their own egos and see how America is being raped.
  
Most people have never heard of Philip D. Zelikow, but he is best known as the executive director of the 9/11 Commission. He basically wrote the 9/11 Commission Report. Immediately prior to Bush appointing him to head the 9/11 Commission, Zelikow was the executive director of the little known Aspen Strategy Group whose members include Dick Cheney, Condoleeza Rica, and Paul Wolfowitz. Although most people don't know anything about Zelikow, they recognize Cheney, Rice and Wolfowitz as the Neoconservatives most responsible for stampeding America into the current unfortunate conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen_Strategy_Group#Group_Members
  
Zelikow's record gets really interesting when we consider that he went on to write the 9/11 Commission Report. He earned a law degree from the University of Houston Law School and a Ph. D. from Tufts University. He wrote books too. He wrote a book on The Kennedy Tapes, and another on Why People Don't Trust Government. One of his areas of expertise is PUBLIC MYTHOLOGY. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_D._Zelikow
  
While at Harvard he actually wrote about the use, and misuse, of history in policymaking. As he noted in his own words, "contemporary" history is "defined functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public's presumptions about its immediate past. The idea of 'public presumption'," he explained, "is akin to [the] notion of 'public myth' but without the negative implication sometimes invoked by the word 'myth.' Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." So Zelikow, the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report, was an expert in how to misuse public trust and create PUBLIC MYTHS.
  
If 9/11 was nothing but a huge HOAX, you would naturally expect that the event itself would have to be perfectly scripted.
  
In 1998, Zelikow actually wrote Catastrophic Terrorism about imagining "the transformative event" three years before 9/11. Here are Zelikow's 1998 words; Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because the most serious constraint on current policy [nonaggression] is lack of imagination. An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse. Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible. Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after." The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after." Our leaders will be judged negligent for not addressing catastrophic terrorism more urgently.
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/visions/publication/terrorism.htm
  
If we can get people to see that the guy who wrote The 9/11 Commission Report got his Ph.D. in PUBLIC MYTHS and actually had his hand in scripting the 9/11 event itself in 1998, they might be more receptive to the idea that the official story of 9/11 should be revisited.
  
The other problem is getting them to look again at an unhappy event. Don't show them the unhappy pictures or the long videos of planes crashing into the WTC Towers or of the Towers collapsing. Instead show them short videos of what the first reporters said immediately after the explosions at the Pentagon and at Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
  
(1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck and
  
(2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc&mode=related&search
  
On September 11, 2001, the immediate reports on the ground told the truth. I think most people can see that it was later that the myth-makers retold the myth the way Zelikow scripted it to be remembered. This may be 2007, but when we consider the power of mythology the psychology of the average man hasn't changed in 4000 years. And when everyone in the political community believes the same myth, it becomes a parallel reality. With TV reinforcing the 9/11 myth every single day, it has become stronger than any belief system that I can remember, but we must explore ways to challenge it.
Rio's nearly one year post on the subject: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=181436.0

[Dig]

700 people on the island with an event for kids, hosted by the "ruling party" -- and no security? No way. One might wonder if someone other than a "lone-gunman" wanted a lot of dead people.

That's Prima Facie False Flag Evidence Right There!

This would be like every Bilderberg member's kids (Gates, Immelt, Rothschild, Rockefeller, McChrystal, Clinton, Obama, Bush, Perry, etc.) in one secluded island without any security or surveillance whatsoever. And then when reports of shot fired rang out, it took over 90 minutes for a response from one of the most secure and advanced areas on the planet.

This is 100% horse shit!

They sent a message to the King of Norway telling him that he better play ball because with NATO's Precision Strike technology, none of Norway's children (not even the elite) are safe.

More clash of civilizations. They took the Babylonian Empire and the Egyptian Empire, they are have been locked and loaded on the Persian Empire, the Greek Empire, and now, the Viking Empire.

[iks83]

I wonder... where are the videos? Wasnt the camp full of young people? So no one had his cellphone cam running at the time? Not even when a supposed police men came to gather the people to say something? Its kinda strange.

And like I said before with that many people killed by just one guy... why havent we heard about where he learned to be such a good shot? I bet they wont get every bullet from the shooting and match them to the guns he supposed to have used.

And what Femacamper said is also interesting... an event organized by the ruling party and no security.

[donnay]

ANFO bombs made of diesel fuel and ammonium nitrate(fertilizer) leave a strong smell of diesel fuel in the air after being detonated.  But that is not what the nosewitnesses smelled:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/07/blast-in-oslo-blows-out-government-office-building-windows/1
Oslo bomb
The Norwegian newspaper Aftenposten:  "You can smell the sulfur fumes," the newspaper's reporter says.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norways-capital-injuries-reported/?hpt=hp_t1
Asgeir Ueland, a journalist with Norwegian state broadcaster, said as soon as the explosion occurred it smelled like a burned tire...
(sulfur is used as a hardening agent in the manufacture of rubber products, such as tires)

The only explosive device I know that uses sulfur in its manufacture is black powder, which is the main ingredient in pipe bombs.  So most likely the devices were large pipe bombs, perhaps strapped to a canister of propane for extra fire.


In addition, the cops are now saying there was just one bomb placed in a car.  However, the forensic evidence seems to indicate blasts from inside the building:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norways-capital-injuries-reported/?hpt=hp_t1
Gibbs, the journalist with Reuters, said he believes one explosion happened on an upper floor of a main government building.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/07/blast-in-oslo-blows-out-government-office-building-windows/1
Aftenposten reports that most of the injuries were caused by shards of glass that struck people in the street when the explosion occurred around 3:30 p.m. local time.

http://www.gjsentinel.com/breaking/articles/norway-bomb-suspect-bought-6-tons-of-fertilizer
The blast in Oslo.... left a square covered in twisted metal, shattered glass and documents expelled from surrounding buildings.

Thus there seem to be few injuries from the actual concussive/blast wave at street level.  But rather from shards of windows and materials blown out from inside the building.


http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/norway-gunman-fired-for-90-minutes-513957.html
 Oslo:  Police are still digging through rubble there, and Mr Sponheim said body parts remained in the building.

If there were body parts in the street also, this would not be unusual for a car bomb.  But if the only dismembered victims were found inside the buildings, this suggests there were close to the blast--on the inside.


And there is good evidence of at least two bombs, not the one they keep talking about:

0http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/22/blast-rips-through-norways-capital-injuries-reported/?hpt=hp_t1
 [4: 11 p.m Oslo] A second blast was heard in central Oslo shortly after an initial explosion rocked the city, a reporter for Norwegian state broadcaster NRK told CNN Friday.
(first bomb at about 3:30pm)

http://laaska.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/norwayexplosion-in-oslo-shooting-at-youth-camp-outside-oslo-pm-safe/
Parallel reports speak of two explosions in the centre of the Norwegian capital.


And there may even have been more than two bombs secreted:

http://laaska.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/norwayexplosion-in-oslo-shooting-at-youth-camp-outside-oslo-pm-safe/
There are unconfirmed reports of other unexploded devices found in the city center.

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/01-24-05/discussion.cgi.56.html

“Project Dipole Might”

A brief summary of "Project Dipole Might" is featured in ATF's 1994 Annual Report to Congress. It reads:

"Dipole Might is the name given to a research project ATF is working on in conjunction with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the Defense Nuclear Agency. The objective of this three year project, funded by the National Security Council in 1993, is to create a computerized data base and investigative protocol for the investigation of large scale vehicle bombs. The basic computer software is intended to be in a format useable by law enforcement agencies around the world in crime scene management and analysis. The data will be integrated into this retrievable system so that it can be displayed in a courtroom to aid in the prosecution of defendants, aid in the security design of buildings, improve security response procedures, assist law enforcement agencies in their investigations of bombing incidents, and contribute to further development of analytical models. Data acquired will include blast over-pressure, fragment distribution, fragment mass, and sample fragment trajectory.

The tests for this project were conceived using four of the most common roadbed types in the United States and explosive charges that varied in size from 50 pounds to 1,000 pounds and type from C4 to ANFO (C-4 to represent the effect of plastic explosives and ANFO for its common availability and use in terrorist devices). By repeating several sufaces with different explosive weights and types, more data is able to be gathered with fewer events.

The tests began in 1994 at DNA's White Sands Missile Range high explosives test site in New Mexico. ATF personnel with extensive postblast experience were used to collect all data.

The execution of the tests required careful measurement of ground zero for centering the explosive charge in the instrumental area, calibration of numerous monitoring devices, timing of the photographic and video recording devices, and placement of the explosive charge.

For the first eight tests, all vehicle fragments measuring larger than 2 by
3 inches were marked identified and each fragment location surveyed. These tests used only two types of vehicles, a Chevrolet Caprice 4-door sedan, and a Dodge B-300 series passenger van.
These vehicles were chosen to simulate two commonly available vehicles and I f their load carrying capacity.

During the course of each event, data acquisition was accomplished through the Test Control Center at White Sands Missile Range. The recorded data was then analyzed by a team of engineers for accuracy.

Documentation of each event began with high speed photography and video.
After each test, a complete crate profile was done by contract surveyors, and documented further with still photography. Additional still photographs were taken of significant and identifiable fragments. To date only one verification test has been completed. Although the computer software is incomplete, it has become clear that there are significant repeatable trends in large scale vehicle bombs.

It was stated that 38 minutes after OKC Bombing agent Harry Everhart knew immediately that the truck blew up by an ANFO bomb.  How he could ascertain that sort of information that quickly was suspect, then as it is now.

__________________________________________________________________

Eyewitness testimony from OKC stated they smelled a "strong sulfur smell" in the air on that day.

In an interview with the New American, Joe Harp, a retired CIA operative claimed to have been at the Murrah Building on the morning of April 19th.  In his testimony he made these observations:

    "I knew right away that the explosive device that had caused the building damage was not an ANFO (ammonium nitrate fuel oil) bomb, for two reasons:

    1) There was a strong sulfur smell in the air that was very reminiscent of the gas-enhanced "Daisy cutter" bombs I am familiar with from my tours of duty in Vietnam, as well as other military experience. It was not an ANFO smell.

    2) I could see right away from the bomb signature — the damage to the structure of the building — that there must have been explosive charges inside the building. The truck bomb could not have done that damage from out on the street."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/Oklahoma%20City%20Cover-up/two_undetonated_bombs.htm

[Freeski]

He's back: Conspiracy "expert" Jonathan Kay attacks AJ!

Well, that didn’t take long. Less than 24 hours after the Norway killings, Alex Jones’ massively-surfed Infowars site already is fronting with the theory that the tragedy was all part of a conspiracy by European elites to deflect populist disgust at bailouts:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/23/jonathan-kay-already-the-norway-conspiracy-theories-have-begun/
Jul 23, 2011 – 3:52 PM ET | Last Updated: Jul 23, 2011 7:02 PM ET

Paid shills are disgusting.

[Dig]

He's back: Conspiracy "expert" Jonathan Kay attacks AJ!

Well, that didn’t take long. Less than 24 hours after the Norway killings, Alex Jones’ massively-surfed Infowars site already is fronting with the theory that the tragedy was all part of a conspiracy by European elites to deflect populist disgust at bailouts:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/07/23/jonathan-kay-already-the-norway-conspiracy-theories-have-begun/
Jul 23, 2011 – 3:52 PM ET | Last Updated: Jul 23, 2011 7:02 PM ET

Paid shills are disgusting.

It took less time for the MSM to blame the slaughter of 90+ children on anyone who reads the constitution!

[chris jones]

Jon Kay, it took the MSM an hour to tell the people this was an act of the Jihadists, in fact they said the J's took reponsibility,, go figure Jon.
  P.S. Who signs your paychecks.

[Dok]

Doc says Norway suspect used dum-dum bullets, known for causing maximun internal damage - AP

http://www.breakingnews.com/

Expanding bullet
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  


An expanding bullet is a bullet designed to expand on impact, increasing in diameter to limit penetration and/or produce a larger diameter wound. They are also known as a Dum-dum or dumdum bullets. The two typical designs are the hollow point bullet and the soft point bullet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_bullet

[hal 9000]

If you hold a particular political viewpoint, whether it be conservative or leftist, how in the world could you expect to persuade a significant portion of the population to join your side by killing a bunch of innocent people, consisting mostly of kids? Wouldn't you know that such a heinous act would get every sane person to turn against you? Wouldn't you know that such a heinous act would discredit every one of your political viewpoints?

On the other hand, if you wanted to discredit a particular political ideology (anti - globalism, national identity, national sovereignty, freedom of the individual, anti - socialism, etc,)  wouldn't it make sense to associate such a crime with adherents of said ideologies?

When you look at it from this vantage point, it becomes clear what is really going on, and who benefits from all of this.

[chris jones]

If you hold a particular political viewpoint, whether it be conservative or leftist, how in the world could you expect to persuade a significant portion of the population to join your side by killing a bunch of innocent people, consisting mostly of kids? Wouldn't you know that such a heinous act would get every sane person to turn against you? Wouldn't you know that such a heinous act would discredit every one of your political viewpoints?

On the other hand, if you wanted to discredit a particular political ideology (anti - globalism, national identity, national sovereignty, freedom of the individual, anti - socialism, etc,)  wouldn't it make sense to associate such a crime with adherents of said ideologies?

When you look at it from this vantage point, it becomes clear what is really going on, and who benefits from all of this.

Good point hal.

[TheNatural]

• Organic(?) Fertilizer used for the explosive???
• Perpetrator used and spoke into a radio headset during the massacre
• There was NO security on the island where The foreign minister attended the youth conference the day prior and Norwegian President was due to appear the following day??!!
• Explosives were found on the island. How did the perp get all that equipment (shotgun, semiautomatic rifle, pistol, and explosives) without being noticed?
• The MSM is deliberately using traditionally American affiliations to describe a Northern European mans actions, i.e. Libertarian

I would like to make a few comments on these theories that are put out here. According to a bomb expert, fertilizers can be used to make a bomb. Apparently something to do with the nitrogen content. I don't know about these things, but it should be very easy to find out.

If the killer spoke on a headset, I have not heard it from the many eye-witness accounts. Where's the evidence?

No security. There were an off-duty police officer there. He was one of the first who were shot.
People here must keep in mind that Norway is not like America in many ways. It's a very open society with much less police presence and security.

Explosives were not found on the island, but reports indicate he might have planned to set up explosives. He caught a ride across the water with a small ferry. One of the organizers apparently were suspicious of him and ran over to the security guy and they were quickly shot. I haven't got the details on the explosives. were they left on the ferry? I don't know.

Why would a drill have been planned just because some eye-witnesses thought that was it. I guess they just couldn't believe it was real.

An article on Infowars also made a point of the "ineptness" of the police presence once the shooting on the island started. Their logs show that it took a little less than 60 minutes from when they received reports of the shooting until they arrived. A few factors must be onsidered before claiming this as also a conspiracy to not react.

At this point, it was obvious one or more people were armed and shooting on the island. Special forces had to come in from Oslo. They have a helicopter but that was not suitable to transport the officers and equipment, so they had to drive the 50 kilometres and then go on boats to get to the island.

On the police press conference today they said he surrendered immediately and that he still had lots of ammo.

[worcesteradam]

Terrorism specialists said that even if the authorities ultimately ruled out Islamic terrorism as the cause of Friday’s assaults, other kinds of groups or individuals were mimicking Al Qaeda's brutality and multiple attacks.

"If it does turn out to be someone with more political motivations, it shows these groups are learning from what they see from Al Qaeda," said Brian Fishman, a counterterrorism researcher at the New America Foundation in Washington.

[Effie Trinket]

I would like to make a few comments on these theories that are put out here. According to a bomb expert, fertilizers can be used to make a bomb. Apparently something to do with the nitrogen content. I don't know about these things, but it should be very easy to find out.

Yeah all you need to do is mix Ammonium Nitrate with kerosene, only thing is, is that it cannot explode by itself, even if ignited--it needs to be detonated with a high explosive like dynamite, with the mixture packed in around the dynamite sticks.  I've seen this used with blowing up large beaver dams that were blocking the flow of a small river.  The agenda with demonizing it though is to usher in full spectrum surveillance against all humans (because of the ease in which it can be obtained--which is the excuse they use).

[Effie Trinket]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=136627781&page=3

"The bombing in Oslo was a diversion, there was also a car bomb on the island but apparently it was never set off."[/b

There was a car bomb on 9/11 too remember?

Look at this scumbags comments who wants to see everyone have their rights trampled:

LOL the first thing that came to mind when I saw his facebook page was that he would make a very solid Tea Party candidate.

Conservative Christian.
Anti-immigrant.
Anti-Muslim.
Hates liberals.
Favorite books: 1984, Wealth of Nations.
Aryan genetics.
Pro-gun.

Another comment:

The really interesting thing is that this Facebook page came up about a week ago..................same with his Twitter account.

Another scumbag:

So it was a Christian terrorist all along :

Norway suspect described as right-wing Christian
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-norway-attacks-20110724,0,3637984.story?track=rss

(wonder what the Islamophobes will say to that ?) - they're probably greatly disappointed..

back to the topic.

The rampage went on for 1.5 hrs, and thus the high casualties. The called into question the ability of their LEO and counter terror response to such incidence.

How could that go on for 1.5 hrs? Is it a remote island? No cell phone? Does Norway have the capability to response to this kind of terror attack?

And another question is, had there been some armed people on that island, the death toll could have been much lower.


You have to counter violence with violence. Violence is not the answer, but when violence is the answer, it is the only answer. When bullets fly, the only way to save lives would to put a few bullets in the shooter.

[TahoeBlue]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-explosion-live-coverage.html

Anders Behring Breivik poses in a wetsuit with military gear for an online video.
Raised in a middle-class suburb of Oslo, the 32-year-old businessman was a member of the Masonic lodge.

[Dok]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-explosion-live-coverage.html

Anders Behring Breivik poses in a wetsuit with military gear for an online video.
Raised in a middle-class suburb of Oslo, the 32-year-old businessman was a member of the Masonic CosPlay lodge.

 

[Letsbereal]

Anders Behring Breivik - Wikepedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik#Personal_life

Breivik listed as one of his interests freemasonry, he was a Freemason a member of St. John's Lodge in Oslo.

After the attacks, his lodge said he had only minimal contact with the lodge, and suspended his membership.

Yeah, of course they say that 'minimal contact'.



Good Piece Must Read : Who’s the Terrorist? (Google trans from Norwegian) http://tinyurl.com/4xdrdkc

[starvosan]

Conspiracy theory:  Was the other cop on the island in actuality the second gunman?


http://translate.google.com/#no|en|%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A%0D%0A
It also emerged that a policeman, who would provide surveillance of Labour Youth League summer camp, was killed by the perpetrator.  He was hired in private, was unarmed and had no protective equipment.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4182696.ece
When terror accused Anders Behring Breivik arrived Utøya, in police uniform and sharp loaded weapon, ... one of his first victims...(was) a policeman in civilian clothes.
There has been a police officer in private paid overtime that would act as a guard at Utøya, said Deputy Police Chief Sveinung Sponheim in the Oslo police.

Remember the witnesses said their were at least two shooters, one wearing a police uniform, the other who wasn't wearing a uniform.  Also reports of a gunman who was shot and wounded.  I wonder if this other 'policeman' wasn't in fact the other gunman, who died of his injuries.  Who shot him?  Breivik or the SWAT team?


And did that other cop actually plant the bombs found on the island?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,776287,00.html
Suddenly, they heard a hollow bang. First just one or two, "but then it was an entire salvo," says Heidrun, 53. They saw dark smoke rise up from the island.

Police said initially there was an unexploded bomb found, latter claiming it was a dummy.  But there were reports of survivors with burn wounds.  And now this account which strongly indicates a bomb did indeed detonate.


A conspiracy to give the covert operators a free hand?

http://translate.google.com/#no|en|Her%20blir%20de%20reddet%0D%0A
"When he heard the helicopter sounds, he believed salvation was approaching, but in hindsight, young people learned that it was the media who had hired helicopters to get an overview of the island."

So the cops couldn't find helicopter or boat to get to the island.  Even though their special forces should have been activated after the first bombs went off in Oslo two hours previously.   Meanwhile the media can get a bird into the air even as the shooting is going on, and the people on shore form a convoy of small craft to pull survivors out of the water.   Uh huh....

[Polaris]

Webster Tarpley got his article out! Time for a serious reading session.

[Letsbereal]

Webster Tarpley got his article out! Time for a serious reading session.

http://tarpley.net/2011/07/24/norway-terror-attacks-a-false-flag/

[Letsbereal]

Anders Behring Breivik used illegal ammunition to make the greatest possible damage (Google trans from Norwegian) http://tinyurl.com/3tq2r2x

Glastnost4ever translated this article directly http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=213183.0

[Femacamper]

Share this URL with your email contact list:

http://oslofalseflag.tk

It shows the preconditioning, the attacks, and the motivation behind them in several videos.

[TahoeBlue]

I wonder how Bohemian Grove is going -  They like to "sacrifice" children this time of year...

http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-on-bohemian-grove-2011-agenda/
July 19, 2011

While the US is struggling to find a solution on the debt ceiling, the country’s elite seems to be not so concerned. Some of American past Senators, artists and top business leaders are partying in the woods of California.

This top-secret gathering is called the Bohemian Grove and is none other than Bohemian Club’s exclusive playground. Given that the members are only men, and they supposedly perform some pretty weird rituals there, lots of rumors are spreading around about the society.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/17/bohemian-grove-2011-deborah-tavares-vehicle-hit-by-speeding-car-near-the-grove/

http://theintelhub.com/2011/07/20/calling-cnn-about-david-gergen-his-bohemian-grove-connections/
Popeye from Federaljack.com calls CNN and tells them to ask their paid commentator David Gergen about the Bohemian Grove.

[Letsbereal]

A police SWAT team eventually arrived from Oslo, apprehending the suspect only after 90 minutes of shooting

From: Death toll in Norway could climb to 98 - AP: Police say blast in Oslo an ‘Oklahoma City-type’ device
23 July 2011, by Kate Gibson - New York (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/death-toll-in-norway-could-climb-to-98-2011-07-23


Anders Behring Breivik’s manifesto A COPY AND PAST DOCUMENT! (Except for the last part) http://tinyurl.com/44rkw2w

[Freeski]

I would like to make a few comments on these theories that are put out here. According to a bomb expert, fertilizers can be used to make a bomb. Apparently something to do with the nitrogen content. I don't know about these things, but it should be very easy to find out.

If the killer spoke on a headset, I have not heard it from the many eye-witness accounts. Where's the evidence?

No security. There were an off-duty police officer there. He was one of the first who were shot.
People here must keep in mind that Norway is not like America in many ways. It's a very open society with much less police presence and security.

Explosives were not found on the island, but reports indicate he might have planned to set up explosives. He caught a ride across the water with a small ferry. One of the organizers apparently were suspicious of him and ran over to the security guy and they were quickly shot. I haven't got the details on the explosives. were they left on the ferry? I don't know.

Why would a drill have been planned just because some eye-witnesses thought that was it. I guess they just couldn't believe it was real.

An article on Infowars also made a point of the "ineptness" of the police presence once the shooting on the island started. Their logs show that it took a little less than 60 minutes from when they received reports of the shooting until they arrived. A few factors must be onsidered before claiming this as also a conspiracy to not react.

At this point, it was obvious one or more people were armed and shooting on the island. Special forces had to come in from Oslo. They have a helicopter but that was not suitable to transport the officers and equipment, so they had to drive the 50 kilometres and then go on boats to get to the island.

On the police press conference today they said he surrendered immediately and that he still had lots of ammo.

No helicopter available so the police had to drive to the coast, then commandeer private boats to get to an island with an event run by the ruling elite, 90 minutes after the first of nearly a hundred kids are shot dead by a single shooter and with a single off-duty cop amidst 700 people? That could only happen in a piece of fiction.

[donnay]

I would like to make a few comments on these theories that are put out here. According to a bomb expert, fertilizers can be used to make a bomb. Apparently something to do with the nitrogen content. I don't know about these things, but it should be very easy to find out.

I am an organic farmer and I can tell you I never use Ammonium Nitrate.  That is the hole in their story right there, most people who would claim to be an organic farmer would not ever use Ammonium Nitrate on the crops!

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Chemical_Fertilizer_vs_Organic_Fertilizer

A chemical fertilizer is defined as any inorganic material of wholly or partially synthetic origin that is added to the soil to sustain plant growth. Chemical fertilizers are produced synthetically from inorganic materials. Since they are prepared from inorganic materials artificially, they may have some harmful acids, which stunt the growth of microorganisms found in the soil helpful for plant growth naturally. They’re rich in the three essential nutrients needed for plant growth. Some examples of chemical fertilizers are ammonium sulphate, ammonium phosphate, ammonium nitrate, urea, ammonium chloride and the like.

Organic fertilizers are substances that are derived from the remains or by products of organisms. Organic fertilizers depend upon the microorganisms found in soil to break them down and release the essential nutrients. Organic nutrients are rich in phosphorous, nitrogen, and potassium, but in unequal proportions. Examples of organic fertilizers are cottonseed meal, blood meal, fish emulsion, and manure and sewage sludge. There are two types of organic fertilizers: first is the synthetic type which is organic compound produced artificially (e.g., Urea, a common organic fertilizer; the other type is natural organic fertilizers because 100% of the ingredients used to create a typical natural organic fertilizer come from nature (e.g., fish extract, seaweed and manure, guano, and compost materials).

[Brocke]

@ TheNatural

First I have no theories. I have questions as you can see from the question marks I used. Are you rebutting my questions?

The headset was reported. By CNN and Norwegian news.

I would like to make a few comments on these theories that are put out here. According to a bomb expert, fertilizers can be used to make a bomb. Apparently something to do with the nitrogen content. I don't know about these things, but it should be very easy to find out.


If the killer spoke on a headset, I have not heard it from the many eye-witness accounts. Where's the evidence?


From BT.NO

"bt.no fikk i natt opplyst at gjerningsmannen snakket i headset under massakren. Dette skal flere øyenvitner ha observert."

TRANSLATION
...was reported that A number of eyewitnesses observed the perpetrator was talking into a headset during the massacre.

http://www.bt.no/nyheter/innenriks/80-drept-p-Utya-2541721.html

ALSO CNN reported the headset
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eskVYXbM3Bc



No security. There were an off-duty police officer there. He was one of the first who were shot.
People here must keep in mind that Norway is not like America in many ways. It's a very open society with much less police presence and security.

An "off duty" police officer was the islands security? Surly an event where the foreign minister AND the President were going to appear would have had at lease some private security, a couple of armed guards?

Explosives were not found on the island, but reports indicate he might have planned to set up explosives. He caught a ride across the water with a small ferry. One of the organizers apparently were suspicious of him and ran over to the security guy and they were quickly shot. I haven't got the details on the explosives. were they left on the ferry? I don't know.

Well they were reporting that there were explosives found.

More explosives found at Norway youth camp
...RACHAEL BROWN: We heard reports early that there might be other bombs going off in Oslo. Thankfully that hasn't happened but we initially, as the shootings at Utoya came to light we had reports of possible explosives there and in the last couple of minutes, while I've been waiting to talk to you, we've learned that undetonated explosives have been found on Utoya island. I don't know how many there are or how big, you know how big the detonators were, but they've certainly been found...
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3276241.htm

Why would a drill have been planned just because some eye-witnesses thought that was it. I guess they just couldn't believe it was real.

An article on Infowars also made a point of the "ineptness" of the police presence once the shooting on the island started. Their logs show that it took a little less than 60 minutes from when they received reports of the shooting until they arrived. A few factors must be onsidered before claiming this as also a conspiracy to not react.

At this point, it was obvious one or more people were armed and shooting on the island. Special forces had to come in from Oslo. They have a helicopter but that was not suitable to transport the officers and equipment, so they had to drive the 50 kilometres and then go on boats to get to the island.

On the police press conference today they said he surrendered immediately and that he still had lots of ammo.

[TahoeBlue]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2017851/Norway-attacks-gunman-Anders-Behring-Breivik-right-wing-extremist-hated-Muslims.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/185770/20110723/anders-breikviks-photos-portraits-in-military-masonic-and-diving-suit-garb.htm


Skull-duggary?

[Brocke]

I am an organic farmer and I can tell you I never use Ammonium Nitrate.  That is the hole in their story right there, most people who would claim to be an organic farmer would not ever use Ammonium Nitrate on the crops!

Thank you.   Also, I believe that there several different types of nitrate fertilizers that could be used some better than others. The better ones would most likely be the worst choice for an organic farmer.

[starvosan]

Some background to the killer:

"Breivik's father was a Siviløkonom (Norwegian professional title, literally "civil economist"), who worked as a diplomat for the Royal Norwegian Embassy in London (and later Paris)."

His father was a diplomat, which is often used as a cover for intelligence activities, and the spook business is often a family business, so the question is did Breivik have an intel background?


"Breivik was exempt from conscription in the Norwegian Army, and has no military training."

I seriously doubt this.  Most of these mass shooter types have had at least some contact with the military.  It might also explain his ability to make bombs and his facility with small arms, especially if he had elite forces training.  "...former neighbours said he had sometimes been seen in "military-style" clothing. "


"According to the newspaper Verdens Gang, he has no previous history with the police, apart from traffic violations."

I seriously doubt this too.  The mass shooter always have had prior contact with the police.  You can bet the cops knew who this guy was.


"Breivik moved to the small rural town of Rena in Åmot, Hedmark county, about 140 km (86 miles) northeast of Oslo, where he operated a farming sole proprietorship under the name "Breivik Geofarm"..."  "His businesses, however, were not much of a success, each one being dissolved after a short while after making a loss, until he established his farm business in 2009...

He also had an apartment near Oslo.  Where did he get the finances to buy the farm and maintain two residences?  Is there any evidence he actually did any farming on that 'farm' of his?   Maybe that farm was purchased because it was next to a military landing strip, according to one Norwegian poster, and his real business was an adjunct to covert military operations.


"Media reports in Norway described Breivik as a 'loner' "

Wrong again.  These guys always have a clique of people they hang around.  And loners don't take positions with his political party nor the Masons

[Krateros]

I followed the link provided by Letsbereal in this thread and read the following, attributed to Anders Breivik.
 

… Breivik moved to the small rural town of Rena in Åmot, Hedmark county, about 140 km (86 miles) northeast of Oslo, where he operated a farming sole proprietorship under the name "Breivik Geofarm"..."  "His businesses, however, were not much of a success, each one being dissolved after a short while after making a loss, until he established his farm business in 2009 ...

Wrote Breivik (reputedly):  “I ran the business a few years while I studied and earned a few million so I could finance a inntektsløs politically active life. I now use these funds to be able to work full time to further develop / promote the Vienna Academy (Vienna school of thought) that Fjordman, Bat Yeor, [Robert] Spencer + many others have already contributed so much till.”
 

He also had an apartment near Oslo.  Where did he get the finances to buy the farm and maintain two residences?  Is there any evidence he actually did any farming on that 'farm' of his?   Maybe that farm was purchased because it was next to a military landing strip, according to one Norwegian poster, and his real business was an adjunct to covert military operations.

Wrote Breivik (reputedly):  “I can also help in obtaining funding for this [newspaper] project from my lodge.  This is a national project, we seriously can not ignore. It is our duty as the intellectual culture conservative forces in Norway to cooperate on this:).”

Source originally provided by Letsbereal:  http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.document.no%2Fanders-behring-breivik%2F

[Conspiracy Center]

The same font is used in 'The Code of the Knights Templar of Michoacan'

Mexico cartel issues booklets for proper conduct
By E. EDUARDO CASTILLO, Associated Press – 4 days ago 

MORELIA, Mexico (AP) — An organized crime group calling itself the Knights Templar is distributing booklets saying it is fighting a war against poverty, tyranny and injustice, publicly appealing to hearts and minds in a part of Mexico where the government claims it has largely taken down the major drug traffickers.

Federal police said they seized copies of the cartel's "code of conduct" booklet during an arrest of cartel members in the western state of Michoacan last week, but refused to release its contents Tuesday, saying they didn't want fan the flames of the quasi-religious movement.

But a copy of the 22-page "The Code of the Knights Templar of Michoacan," illustrated with knights on horseback bearing lances and crosses, was obtained by The Associated Press this week. It says the group "will begin a challenging ideological battle to defend the values of a society based on ethics."

The Knights Templar have been blamed for murders, extortion, drug trafficking and attacks on police. Analysts say the propaganda is part of an effort to transform a drug cartel into a social movement, along the lines of what right-wing paramilitary groups did in Colombia in the 1990s against leftist rebels — a fight in which both sides used the drug trade to finance their causes.

"I think the main intent is to create a social base in Michoacan ... and that way they are different from other criminal organizations," said Jorge Chabat, a veteran analyst of the drug trade in Mexico. "They say they are defending the people against attacks. In the case of Colombia it was the guerrillas; here it is against who knows what."

The Knights Templar was founded in March, according to the booklet, whose illustrations were lifted from an artist, a website of a company that sells swords and another promoting the 2007 Swedish film "Arn: The Knight Templar," according to an AP image search.

Named for a medieval Roman Catholic order of religious warriors who fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem, Knights Templar is a splinter group of La Familia, another cult-like cartel whose leader, Nazario Moreno Gonzalez, published a motivational pamphlet called "The Sayings of the Craziest One."

While La Familia claimed strict codes of conduct among its members, including prohibiting using or selling drugs within Mexican territory, it didn't distribute its booklets publicly. The contents of its "bible," reportedly based on the teachings of U.S. evangelist John Eldredge, have never been revealed by authorities. The cartel became one of Mexico's major sources of methamphetamine.

The Mexican government claims to have all but dismantled La Familia since Moreno was killed in a shootout with federal police last December and another founder, Jose de Jesus Mendez Vargas, was arrested last month.

But the mayhem and killing has continued in Michoacan as Knights Templar gunmen battle both the Zetas cartel and remnants of La Familia seeking to control President Felipe Calderon's home state more than 4½ years after Calderon launched his crackdown on organized crime here in 2006.

More than 35,000 people have died in drug violence across Mexico since then, according to government figures, and some groups put the number at more than 40,000.

Calderon has said he took on the cartels to prevent organized crime from spreading to the roots of Mexican society.

Like La Familia, Knights Templar claims to be highly religious, but unlike La Familia, the new cartel has sought to distribute its teachings to the general public with kitschy but florid posters, banners, emblems and even medieval robes.

"God is the truth and there is no truth without God," reads one passage in the booklet.

The person who gave the AP the professionally printed, pocket-size booklet said it was distributed earlier this month by two men in regular clothing aboard a bus traveling in rural Michoacan. He said the men handing out the material then sat down among the other passengers and, without saying a word, got off at the next stop. He asked that his name not be used for fear of retaliation.

The booklet says cartel members "must fight against materialism," and respect women and children. It prohibits them from killing for money and says, "for all members of the order, the use of any drugs or any hallucinogen is strictly prohibited." It mandates drug testing for members.

The Knights Templar have criticized federal police for failing to protect Michoacan against incursions by the ultra-violent Zetas.

The group may have helped organize a demonstration last week in the Michoacan city of Apatzingan, where people chanted "Federal police, get out!" Some young men scrawled slogans like "100 percent Knights Templar" on their T-shirts.

Government security spokesman Alejandro Poire did not respond to a reporter's question about whether the cartel had organized last Wednesday's demonstration, but said it had been known to do so in the past.

"It would not be the first time that various criminal organizations seek to use propaganda or publicity tools, but I stress that there is no criminal propaganda that can weaken the efforts of federal forces," Poire said Tuesday. "The stepped-up federal police presence will remain there."

While authorities at three government law enforcement agencies refused to confirm the authenticity of the AP's copy, the title is the same as three booklets that federal police found in a July 15 raid in Apatzingan that netted a suspect identified as the chief hit man for the cartel.

Along with the booklet, which also preaches loyalty to family and country, police also have confiscated banners with messages from the gang, trucks emblazoned with Templar "shields," and even white robes with red crosses like the ones worn by the original Knights Templar order.

The original knights were outlawed in Europe and executed and their order dismantled beginning in 1307.

Photos from a Mexican army raid the previous day on a Templar training camp in Zacapu, Michoacan, show pages like those in the booklet as well as a medieval-style helmet made of steel grating and the white tunics.

National security expert Javier Oliva at Mexico's National Autonomous University said the propaganda may have some pull in rural areas where the government is weak and lawlessness and violence are rampant.

"They mirror a bit the sociological, anthropological logic of the Mafia," he said. "They seek to take justice into their own hands in a Mexico where no functional justice system exists."

The modern-day Knights Templar Order, a civic group with no ties to the church, issued a statement saying that "we disown completely and totally this disagreeable situation ... we have never had nor will we have contact with any of these people who display banners depicting themselves as Templars, and using this sacred name."

Welsh-born painter Mark Churms, who works from a studio in West Virginia, said he was never contacted by anyone in Mexico seeking to use his painting of a medieval knight, which appears in the booklet.

"When I was painting that image, I wasn't thinking, 'Wow, this would look good on a drug cartel leaflet,'" Churms said. "I hope people don't look at this and believe the hype that they are in any way connected with a monastic order."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hNGy0KX1LRjZqUiFBqJfH_evYo1A?docId=4cd15df2d1bf46de84fb2119692bf059

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_0x_rekO9o

[chris jones]

 Adners ran a business in the farmin idusty for a few years, making millions.? Proof?
 Anders was not in the military, yet single handedly, slaughtered almost 100 people.
 """""""""  was seen with a commications headset by witnesses.
""""""""""" neighbors veiwed him in millitary clothing?
""""""""""" photo of him dressed in what is purportrated to military Masonic militant unform?
""""""""""""He attended:According to Austrian school economist Peter J. Boettke, during its history the position of the Austrian School within the economics profession has changed several times from the center to the fringe of the mainstream. By the mid-1930s, the mainstream had more or less absorbed what were seen as the important contributions of the Austrians, and it is currently a distinctly minority position.[3]
The former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman, Alan Greenspan, speaking of the originators of the School, said in 2000, "The Austrian school have reached far into the future from when most of them practiced and have had a profound and, in my judgment, probably an irreversible effect on how most mainstream economists think in this country."[33]
            Why continue, it is pointless for me ,a novice, limited knowledge, but as all of the need to get to the bottom line.. But I will remain checking this out. It appears there is a nucleus to this event, its organized financed, and expertly arrainged. More info is definelty in order.

[Femacamper]

They're ramping up the discussion here:

Wow prisonplanet has already "revealed" the secret of the Norway terror attack
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=136632771

160 replies, 2,658 views, #1 non-stickied thread in Religion / Politics

Some people are awakening.

[chris jones]

 Reply to the recent posts of the Knights Templer. First reaction, this looks to be an arrainged photo session.
 The MSM standard, any interveiws, prisoners confessions, names ot the originatiing authoirtys that have targeted this group. Robes, by the way pristine, and materfully  done literature.
  I have to ask myself, how a band of trafiicers have submitted to this propaganda. In military clothing, the most expesive firearms, masked, and a stance the resembles military.