first Gays, now polygamy! upnext? Chickens!!!

[Femacamper]

The thing that always gets me, is that as one peruses the Bible, you see multiple references to multiple wives, as well as multiple concubines. how do we as modern Christians account for those inconsistencies, when God nor the Bible address those issues at face value at the time of writing?

Early civilization allowed polygamy because it was beneficial to spread humanity. It has also been encouraged from time to time throughout history after major wars where many men were killed.

"On February 14, 1650, the parliament at Nürnberg decreed that, because so many men were killed during the Thirty Years’ War, the churches for the following ten years could not admit any man under the age of 60 into a monastery. Priests and ministers not bound by any monastery were allowed to marry. Lastly, the decree stated that every man was allowed to marry up to ten women. The men were admonished to behave honorably, provide for their wives properly, and prevent animosity among them."

The Old Testament did not prohibit polygamy in Jewish Law, but as civilization progressed it became less necessary (women had more opportunity to marry and opportunity to work) hence in Early Christianity the cultural norm was to be maritally monogamous. The Scripture does not directly prohibit polygamy, but it does address marriage (which is assumed to be monogamous in general).

[Freeski]

Early civilization allowed polygamy because it was beneficial to spread humanity.

Is that no longer true?

When does eugenics come into play?

[Femacamper]

Is that no longer true?

When does eugenics come into play?

When there was a 20:1 female to male ratio, polygamy was necessary in patriarchal societies, because women had difficulty surviving alone. In the modern age, with the advent of the women's rights movement, it's quite unnecessary as women do not need to rely on men as they once had.

The other aspect was procreation -- if there are not enough men, polygamy would be necessary for all females to procreate. That's less of an issue now due to artificial insemination.

Eugenics comes into play with asexuality and birth control, not polygamy.

[Dok]

'If he hadn't wanted more wives, I probably wouldn't have married him': How women are the driving force behind polygamous marriage

By Tamara Abraham

From an outsider's perspective, a man who can convince more than one woman to be married to him at any given time, clearly wears the trousers.

But a new documentary has revealed that it is actually the women instigating polygamous marriage in Mormon communities.

In the newest series of OWN's Our America, two 'sister wives', from Centennial Park, Arizona, describe how they chose their man, rather than the other way around.
Plural marriage: Isaiah (right), 28, from Centennial Park, Arizona, with his two wives Marlene, 28 (left), and Becca, 20 (centre)

Plural marriage: Isaiah (right), 28, from Centennial Park, Arizona, with his two wives Marlene, 28 (left), and Becca, 20 (centre)

Becca, 20, who has been married to Isaiah, 28, for a year and a half, told how she knew he was the one when she spotted him at church.

 
She told host Lisa Ling: 'One day I was in church, and I was sitting with my sister Sharon, and I saw him walk through the door.

'I had a feeling just come over me and I turned to Sharon and I said, yeah, that's who I feel like I belong to.'
Father figure: Isaiah, 28, from Centennial Park, Arizona, has four children with his two wives

Father figure: Isaiah already has four children with his two wives, and a fifth on the way

This was despite the fact that Isaiah had already been married to Marlene, also 28, for eight years already.

Today, Marlene and Becca describe themselves as being married to each other, in the same way that they are married to Isaiah.

And for Marlene, who is just weeks from giving birth to her fourth child, she never imagined marriage any other way.

'If Isaiah had told me that he didn't want this before we got married, I probably wouldn't have married him,' she said.

She says that she and Becca, after some initial teething problems, are 'inseparable'.

'I have, right now, my best friend living with me,' she said. 'I can talk to her about any of my problems. She completely understands because she's married to the same guy.'

Becca, who is now mother to a six-week-old daughter, added: 'I talk to her every day - I probably talk to her more than I talk to Isaiah.'
Inseparable: Becca (left) and Marlene (right) are best friends, and describe themselves as being married to each other, in the same way that they are married to Isaiah

Inseparable: Becca (left) and Marlene are best friends, and describe themselves as being married to each other, in the same way that they are married to Isaiah

Both plan to have many more children, and raise them together.

Marlene explained: 'We didn't want, "This is my child, this is your child". We wanted all of our kids to be raised together, you know, I'm mom, she's mom...

'I grew up with 25 brothers and sisters, and I loved it, and I want that for my kids.'

Speaking on GMA this morning, Lisa Ling explained how powerful Mormon women actually are in instigating plural marriage.

She told how a woman approaches the community's spiritual elders when she 'receives a sign from God' about the man she is supposed to marry.
Young love: Marlene and Isaiah married when they were just 18. When Becca married into the family nine years later, she was only 19

Young love: Marlene and Isaiah married when they were just 18. When Becca married into the family nine years later, she was only 19

She said: 'In this community it's actually the women who dictate who they're going to marry... They believe that at a certain point in their lives, and they don't know when it's going to happen, God will speak to them, and they will know instantly as soon as they see the man.

'The man is completely unaware - when the spiritual elders call them in, they may not even know who the girl is.'

The Church of Latter Day Saints teaches that Jesus was a polygamist, and many people living in Mormon communities, which typically shun media attention, know life no other way.

As Marlene said on Our America: 'I believe that this is the way God lives. And I believe that this is a superior way to live.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2049361/If-hadnt-wanted-wives-I-probably-wouldnt-married-How-women-driving-force-polygamous-marriage.html#ixzz1bUCj90iu

[wvoutlaw2002]

Great. Now Doperah is pushing this propaganda.

[Dok]

Polygamy, Polyamory Fail in BC Supreme Court

It’s still illegal to marry more than one spouse in Canada.

The Supreme Court of British Columbia ruled that Canadian government has the right to prohibit polygamy and polyamory. The decision rejects an approach that could have had far-reaching effects on traditional marriage in countries around the world. The trial launched last November to examine the various harms of polygamy and polyamory to women, children and society.

ADF Senior Legal Counsel Austin R. Nimocks noted although some organizations claim that same-sex ‘marriage’ won’t open the door to polygamy and group marriage, that’s what nearly happened in British Columbia.

“Had marriage never been attacked there in the first place, it’s questionable whether this particular assault would have ever occurred,” Nimocks said. “Canada just dodged a bullet for the moment; Americans should take notice because this country need not risk the same thing.”

As ADF attorney Gerald Chipeur sees it, no government should experiment with a practice that has been clearly demonstrated as harmful to women, children, and societies around the world.

“The British Columbia Supreme Court recognized that marriage is about children and parents, and that Parliament has a very important role to play in protecting the family,” Chipeur says. “The court also recognized that Parliament, not the courts, has the authority to define marriage. I am pleased that the chief justice accepted our argument that, under the Constitution of Canada, Parliament may define marriage as no more than two people.”

Chipeur, an ADF allied attorney with the firm Miller Thomson LLP, called Dr. Shoshana Grossbard to testify before the court during the that began late last year. Christian Legal Fellowship (CLF), which was allowed by the court to intervene in the proceedings, presented Grossbard to the court because of her extensive research and expertise on the cross-cultural effects polygamy has on women and society. The evidence she presented established that polygamy is human trafficking in disguise.

Grossbard is one of two CLF experts whose findings were submitted to the court and only one of many witnesses who were examined throughout the proceedings, known as the Constitutional Reference on Polygamy.

The Reference, brought by the attorney general of British Columbia, asked the court to determine if Parliament may prohibit polygamy and polyamory and at the same time uphold the Charter of Rights and Freedoms’ guarantee of religious freedom. The court concluded that prohibiting polygamy and other forms of group marriage does not jeopardize religious freedom rights under the Canadian Charter.

http://www.charismanews.com/culture/32404-polygamy-polyamory-fail-in-bc-supreme-court

[Dok]

And now incest?: Viral video has parents making out with teen kids

Twenty years ago when advocates of homosexuality were arguing for acceptance of gay sex, their opponents warned that it would lead to pedophilia and incest.  Such whistle blowers were labeled as bigots, haters and worse, and laughed into silence.

However, the warnings are coming true.  While incest may not yet be legal on the books, there is increasing pressure to legitimize it. The following video, which has gone viral on YouTube, might legitimately be seen a part of the conditioning process leading to such legitimization.  It features a high school prank where blindfolded teens are asked to guess who kissed them. Turns out it was their own father or mother.

In the video fathers can be seen passionately kissing their teen daughters on the lips, mothers with their teen sons, one even putting her son’s hand on her derriere, another making out on the floor with her son (although to be fair, one commenter on Youtube who said he was present at the pep rally said the boy tripped when he stepped back and his mother fell on top of him), all to the laughs, cheers, whoops and screams of the school staff and students.

Oh sure, there’s still an ick factor in there somewhere, but the very fact that organizers of this prank could find parents willing to make out with their children is proof enough that the taboo against incest has started to crumble.  It may be “just” a joke now, but even a few years ago such a joke would have been completely unthinkable.

Responding to the controversy over the incident, School District spokesman Tony Taschner told the Star Tribune that the same prank was pulled several years ago at Rosemount High, but, reports the paper, “the kisses were more like pecks on the cheek.” Principal John Wollersheim told the paper, “none of the students or parents involved in the kissing have complained to him.”

For a mere joke, parents are willing to sensually abuse their children? And it is abuse! 

This incident should serve as a wake up call to society. In essence the sexual revolution has been effective in removing the natural revulsion of pedophilia and incest.  Pedophilia and incest are becoming normalized, just as those who warned against the sexual revolution predicted. Remember, it was only a few months ago that we reported on a meeting involving academics from high-level institutions, including Harvard, who met in Baltimore with the aim of destigmatizing “minor-attracted persons” (i.e. pedophiles).

Even though Supreme Court Justice Scalia wrote in his dissenting decision to the 2003 US Supreme Court ruling striking down anti-sodomy laws that the decision would lead to allowance of “adult incest, you’d be wrong if you believed that the genesis of all this revolves around acceptance of homosexuality.  That was just another casualty along the road of the revolution which divorced sex from its primary meaning and purpose – procreation.

The concept that sex is first and merely for pleasure, which was immensely aided by the advent of the birth control pill, has wrought untold destruction on the world.  It launched the sexual revolution from which has come rampant pornography, adultery, divorce, promiscuity, homosexuality, sexual abuse, rape, and, more recently, the growing acceptance of pedophilia and incest.

Do you think we’re still far away from societal acceptance of incest?  Think again.

• In 2007, the German brother-sister couple Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski asked the Constitutional Court to overturn the ban on incest.

• Also in 2007 a German Government publication which encouraged parents to sexually stimulate their infant children was only removed after LifeSiteNews and other media exposed it internationally.

• In 2008 the London Times ran an article by an unnamed ‘academic’ promoting incest.  The article was entitled “I had sex with my brother but I don’t feel guilty.”

• Last year in Switzerland there was a legislative proposal to legalize incest between consenting adults.

• And for years Planned Parenthood has been accused of covering up incest via their abortion ‘services’ without suffering severe consequences.

Logically, those without a moral compass formed by God have no basis for vehement objection even to incest - at least consensual contraceptive incest.  As University College London Professor Roland Littlewood put it: “The main problem is, of course, that the couple might produce unhealthy children. But if they don’t have children, then I see no reason why not, in this day and age. But then, I’m a scientist, not a moralist.”

So in the final analysis this news, as gross as it is, presents an opportunity for those who know the truth of God-given morality to speak to their friends and family about the ick factor they experience with incest.  Why is there an intuitive disgust over it when logically, from an amoral atheistic perspective, there is no real basis for such disgust?  The truth is that there is stamped on the human heart the Creator’s natural law and we must recognize it before it is too late.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/and-now-incest-viral-video-has-parents-making-out-with-teen-kids

[Femacamper]

Yeah, I saw that video on the frontpage of YouTube. On top of this social legitimizing of incest, now homosexuality AND bestiality is legal in the US military. I guess CHICKENS are ALREADY upnext!

upnext...Necrophilia and rape being legalized! 

[Overcast]

Yeah, I saw that video on the frontpage of YouTube. On top of this social legitimizing of incest, now homosexuality AND bestiality is legal in the US military. I guess CHICKENS are ALREADY upnext!

upnext...Necrophilia and rape being legalized! 

And since the 'dogs/animals do it' excuse is used often for this - I also want the right to scrape my ass on the floor in public, lick my scrotum in public, and to eat my own vomit....

I mean - after all; animals do it.

[Dok]

Bestiality brothels spur call for animal sex ban


Madeleine Martin, the animal protection official for Hessian state government, said the law needed to be changed to make sex abuse of animals – known as zoophilia – a crime.

“It is punishable to distribute animal pornography, but the act itself is not,” she told the Frankfurter Rundschau daily paper on Friday.

“There are even animal brothels in Germany,” she said. Sex with animals was being increasingly seen as a lifestyle choice, and thus more acceptable.

“The abuse seems to be increasingly rapidly, and the internet offers an additional distribution platform,” she said.

She said the justice authorities had found it exceptionally difficult to convict a man from Hesse, who had offered pictures and instructions for animal sex abuse over the internet.

“Zoophilia must be completely banned in the reformed animal protection law,” said Martin, referring to the governments plan to rework that section of the law.

Sex with animals was banned until 1969, when the animal protection law was introduced, but failed to include a specific ban on zoophilia, the Frankfurter Rundschau said.

Martin said the current legal situation makes it too difficult for authorities to intervene – an animal has to be shown to have massive injuries before the animal protection laws prescribe action.

http://www.thelocal.de/society/20120203-40531.html

[Edward777]

Look at the American male of today.  He is scared to commit, when he does he often wants no children, he is passive, obese and loves video games and sports.  So maybe the ones that are left that are quality will attract more women.  Better to share a good husband than either share an inferior one or have none at all.

Video on trends in marriage and sexuality:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPrrmCFqs7Q&list=LL5MnvKV2CEdKYKZBQK2EW5A&index=4&feature=plpp_video