Does Icke believe in Genesis?

[Khazaq]

Since David Icke believes in Reptilians, does he believe that Cain was the physical son of Satan, or does he just discount Genesis as being a fable?

[Dig]

Since David Icke believes in Reptilians, does he believe that Cain was the physical son of Satan, or does he just discount Genesis as being a fable?

Since David Icke has explained that there is a reptilian brain*, that he has never actually witnessed seeing a "reptilian", that the term is more of an analogy**, do you believe you can stop hating him, or do you just discount everyone defending your freedoms because you refuse to look more comprehensively at various issues?
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*Even our puppet president has admitted this http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=181895.0
**Bill Cooper did the same thing regarding blaming aliens and then near the end, he came clean about it.

[Khazaq]

Since David Icke has explained that there is a reptilian brain which even our puppet president admitted to, do you believe you can stop hating him, or do you just discount everyone defending your freedoms because you refuse to look more comprehensively at various issues?

I don't hate him.  I disagree with his New Age beliefs, but I bear no animosity toward him.

Anyway, that was an honest question.  I honestly don't think it's crazy to believe that there could be a race of serpent men shape-changers among us.  Yahshua (Jesus) Christ actually called certain people serpents, vipers, and children of the devil.  He specifically referred to Judas Iscariot as a devil.

Matthew 23:33  Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

He basically says these people are inherently evil and can't be saved.  So, what if he wasn't speaking metaphorically?

Interesting to note that the Greek word translated "viper" is echidna.  "In Greek mythology, Echidna...was half woman half snake, known as the "Mother of All Monsters" because most of the monsters in Greek myth were mothered by her...Echidna was a drakaina, with the face and torso of a beautiful woman (depicted as winged in archaic vase-paintings) and the body of a serpent, sometimes having two serpent's tails." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna_%28mythology%29

[Femacamper]

There actually may be some truth to these reptilian claims, but I think it's closer to what Sane is mentioning than most ufology sites are talking about. Perhaps there is a middle ground.

[Khazaq]

There actually may be some truth to these reptilian claims, but I think it's closer to what Sane is mentioning than most ufology sites are talking about. Perhaps there is a middle ground.

Well, I know some may think it's nuts to consider such possibilities, but a lot of people believe we're crazy for believing the Bible anyway, so what does it matter?

[Femacamper]

Well, UFOs are only Unidentified Flying Objects, so they're real. The Bible speaks of extra-terrestrial beings (God, Satan, Angels, Demons, and Nephilim). And history is chock-full of alien / UFO stories. So there has gotta be some truth to it. The problem is, it's hard to solidify the truth and separate fact from fiction.

[Khazaq]

Right.  Well, I suppose I couldn't say I one-hundred percent believe in reptilians until I had physical evidence of them.  As far as aliens being fallen angels, I have no doubt.

[Dok]

Since David Icke believes in Reptilians, does he believe that Cain was the physical son of Satan, or does he just discount Genesis as being a fable?

Cain wasn't the son of the serpent. Gen 4:1 says it all.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

[Jacob Law]

David Icke seem so focus on the bigger picture, it is strange he believes in literally reptilian people.

[Khazaq]

Cain wasn't the son of the serpent. Gen 4:1 says it all.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Not all.  

Genesis 4
[1] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
[2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

She bore Abel right after Cain.  It doesn't say Adam knew Eve again or that she conceived again.  It doesn't explicitly state that they were twins, but it can be inferred.  It is quite possible for twins to have two different fathers.  You also won't find a single verse in the Bible calling Cain Adam's son.

John 8
[42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
[43] Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

1 John 3:12  Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

[Khazaq]

David Icke seem so focus on the bigger picture, it is strange he believes in literally reptilian people.

Or is it strange that most people don't?

[Jacob Law]

Or is it strange that most people don't?

I don't know, I like some of the stuff David says, but he seem a little off, he not Christian I think?

[Khazaq]

I don't know, I like some of the stuff David says, but he seem a little off, he not Christian I think?

No, Icke is more of a New-Ager.  I don't agree with a lot of the stuff he says concerning spiritual matters.

[Dok]

Not all.  

Genesis 4
[1] And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
[2] And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

She bore Abel right after Cain.  It doesn't say Adam knew Eve again or that she conceived again.  It doesn't explicitly state that they were twins, but it can be inferred.  It is quite possible for twins to have two different fathers.  You also won't find a single verse in the Bible calling Cain Adam's son.

John 8
[42] Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
[43] Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
[45] And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

1 John 3:12  Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

wow  what is it with you sherry shriner people? Adam was the Father of Cain. says so right there in verse 1. Abel was the second child, again from Adam. And lets just shut this whole thing down right now. What children od Cain survived the flood? have fun with that one. 

Cain is the child of Adam and Eve. The serpent never had sex with Eve except in the mind of Sherry Shriner and her band of racists.

1And Adam knew Eve his wife; that means SEX with her husband, ADAM
and she conceived That means she got pregnant from her husband, ADAM!
and bare Cain Thats right, she gave birth to the child of her and her Husband.

No where does it say she had sex with the serpent.

And she again bare his brother Abel  Thats right, AGAIN as in repeat the process.

Its not hard to understand.

[Khazaq]

wow  what is it with you sherry shriner people? Adam was the Father of Cain. says so right there in verse 1. Abel was the second child, again from Adam. And lets just shut this whole thing down right now. What children od Cain survived the flood? have fun with that one. 

Cain is the child of Adam and Eve. The serpent never had sex with Eve except in the mind of Sherry Shriner and her band of racists.

1And Adam knew Eve his wife; that means SEX with her husband, ADAM
and she conceived That means she got pregnant from her husband, ADAM!
and bare Cain Thats right, she gave birth to the child of her and her Husband.

No where does it say she had sex with the serpent.

And she again bare his brother Abel  Thats right, AGAIN as in repeat the process.

Its not hard to understand.

I'm not a follower of Sherry Shriner.  The idea certainly didn't originate with her in any case.  But there's no need to get upset.  If you don't want to consider the possibility, that's fine.

[Dok]

I'm not a follower of Sherry Shriner.  The idea certainly didn't originate with her in any case.  But there's no need to get upset.  If you don't want to consider the possibility, that's fine.

There is nothing to consider, the TEXT does not support the idea at all. You might not "follow" shriner, yet you are extolling her views. Ill discuss it with you, who of Cains line survived the flood? In order for your idea to work at all, someone of Cains line had to survive the flood? Who was it?

[Khazaq]

There is nothing to consider, the TEXT does not support the idea at all. You might not "follow" shriner, yet you are extolling her views. Ill discuss it with you, who of Cains line survived the flood? In order for your idea to work at all, someone of Cains line had to survive the flood? Who was it?

We don't know.  We don't know a lot of things.  Like where did Cain find enough people to build a city?

Genesis 4
[16] And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

And who was his wife?  Was she his sister?  We don't know.

The words translated as "earth" in the Genesis account of the Flood are more often translated as "land" throughout the Old Testament.  There is a possibility that the Flood was regional.  One thing we do know.  There was a people called the Kenites.

Genesis 15
[18] In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
[19] The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
[20] And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
[21] And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

The English transliteration obscures it, but Cain is Qayin in Hebrew and Kenite is Qayini.  Kenites would be Qayinim.

It's also interesting that we are told how many years Seth and his descendants lived and at what age they died.  But we are not told the same about Cain's descendants for some reason.  Did they have longer lifespans?  We don't know.

Is it significant that the first major event which occurred after Cain's murder of Abel and his exile was the begetting of children by fallen angels with human women?  Kind of curious, don't you think?

[Dok]

We don't know.  We don't know a lot of things. The Lord has told us everything we need to know with out ADDING to his Word.  

Like where did Cain find enough people to build a city? Same place he found his wife. 
 
Genesis 4
[16] And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
[17] And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

And who was his wife?  Was she his sister?  We don't know. Uhm, yep. It was one of his Sisters.

The words translated as "earth" in the Genesis account of the Flood are more often translated as "land" throughout the Old Testament.  There is a possibility that the Flood was regional.  One thing we do know.

No it was GLOBAL1! Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
That means the WHOLE WORLD

There is your problem, you do not believe the Bible. Its that simple, and as you do not believe it, you have to add stuff to make it fit Your way of thinking.

Psalm 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

That says it all right there. What are your foundation sbuilt upon?

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Jesus, who is God, says the flood killed everyone. So it wasnt regional.

One thing we do know.  There was a people called the Kenites.

Genesis 15
[18] In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
[19] The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
[20] And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
[21] And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

The English transliteration obscures it, but Cain is Qayin in Hebrew and Kenite is Qayini.  Kenites would be Qayinim.

  wow. Kind of reaching there arent ya. Again, the flood was global, the evidence is all around us. What are your foundations built upon?

It's also interesting that we are told how many years Seth and his descendants lived and at what age they died.  But we are not told the same about Cain's descendants for some reason.  Did they have longer lifespans?  We don't know.

Thats because it doesnt matter, they all perished in the Flood, and the Whole purpose of the Bible is the story of Jesus. The Bible only contends with His LINE going back to Adam. Not the line of Cain that perished in the Flood.

Is it significant that the first major event which occurred after Cain's murder of Abel and his exile was the begetting of children by fallen angels with human women?  Kind of curious, don't you think?

no, not at all. The sons of God arent the sons of Cain, or are you now saying Cain was a god?

[Khazaq]

No Cain was definitely not a god.  I think you know I believe that the sons of God were fallen angels. 

Anyway, I do believe the Bible.  I'm just open to different interpretations based on the text itself, absent of prejudices hammered into us since we were children. 

Luke 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

All who were present in the land, or everyone in the whole world?  I suppose we can ask Yahshua later. 

For now, good night. 

[Dok]

I'm just open to different interpretations based on the text itself

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said,

something to think about. 

[Khazaq]

Oh, one more thing.  We aren't told that fallen angels took human wives again after the Flood.  So, how did the Nephilim survive?  Why were they present on earth after the Flood?

[Dok]

Oh, one more thing.  We aren't told that fallen angels took human wives again after the Flood.  So, how did the Nephilim survive?  Why were they present on earth after the Flood?

Yes we are.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


and also after that. The fallen tried again after the flood, just not to the extent as before the flood. And as Jesus said in Matt 24,

Matt 24:37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

as we can see here that the days preceeding the return of the Lord shall be the same as the days of Noah. And that is what we find.

So we are told that the fallen kept up after the Flood. No where does it says it stopped. Also the Nephilim are offspring of the union, not the fallen.

[Femacamper]

Yes we are.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


and also after that. The fallen tried again after the flood, just not to the extent as before the flood. And as Jesus said in Matt 24,

Matt 24:37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

as we can see here that the days preceeding the return of the Lord shall be the same as the days of Noah. And that is what we find.

So we are told that the fallen kept up after the Flood. No where does it says it stopped. Also the Nephilim are offspring of the union, not the fallen.

On the topic of Nephilim, Rick Wiles has some incredible information:

Thursday April 28, 2011
Guest: Irish author Patrick Heron
Topic: The Antichrist and the Nephilim in the Last Days
www.nephilimapocalypse.com
http://www.trunews.com/Audio/4_28_11_thursday_trunews2.mp3

That's not the only show he's covered it, but just a sample.

[Khazaq]

Yes we are.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


and also after that. The fallen tried again after the flood, just not to the extent as before the flood. And as Jesus said in Matt 24,

Matt 24:37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

as we can see here that the days preceeding the return of the Lord shall be the same as the days of Noah. And that is what we find.

So we are told that the fallen kept up after the Flood. No where does it says it stopped. Also the Nephilim are offspring of the union, not the fallen.

I admit it's possible to read the verse that way, but the more intuitive understanding of it is that "and also after that" simply refers to the preceding part of the sentence which says "There were giants [nephilim] in the earth in those days;".  Yes, nephilim seems to be the name of the offspring.  But if it never stopped, where are the giants now?  Or where have they been for centuries?

What do you think of this?

Ezekiel 31
[8] The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
[9] I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 
[16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
[17] They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
[18] To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

[Dok]

I admit it's possible to read the verse that way, but the more intuitive understanding of it is that "and also after that" simply refers to the preceding part of the sentence which says "There were giants [nephilim] in the earth in those days;".  Yes, nephilim seems to be the name of the offspring.  But if it never stopped, where are the giants now?  Or where have they been for centuries?

What do you think of this?

Ezekiel 31
[8] The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
[9] I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 
[16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
[17] They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
[18] To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

They were killed off after the flood. You also have to remeber that the enviromental factors are different after the flood, we still had Giants just not as big. There were still Giants found in the Americas up to its discovery. Who knows what is going on today with the offspring. Many ufo abducties report seeing the children of their unions with the fallen ones. so who knows. but it would not surprise me to see a ufo land and 12 foot nephilim get off.

[Khazaq]

Okay.


But what do you think of this?

What do you think of this?

Ezekiel 31
[8] The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
[9] I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 
[16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
[17] They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
[18] To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

[Dok]

Okay.


But what do you think of this?

What do you think of this?

Ezekiel 31
[8] The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.
[9] I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. 
[16] I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.
[17] They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen.
[18] To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.

for starters your cherry picking verses. what happened to verses 10 through 15?

[Khazaq]

for starters your cherry picking verses. what happened to verses 10 through 15?

I'm not cherry-picking.  Just showing the relevant verses.  Read the whole chapter if you like.

[Dok]

I'm not cherry-picking.  Just showing the relevant verses.  Read the whole chapter if you like.

ok...

3Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

its allegory

[Khazaq]

ok...

3Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.

its allegory

Yes.  So "the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God" represent people, right?

[Geolibertarian]

I think the essence of David Icke's worldview is crystallized in the following quote:

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"If you are interested in 'New Age' thought or some of the Eastern religions and philosophies the next bit might be a bit of a surprise. The voice explained to me that the vast majority of 'incarnate' consciousness that left the 'physical' body at what we call 'death' did not consciously reconnect with the Infinite. Instead it moved to other 'non-physical' dimensions of the Matrix. Consciousness may have withdrawn from the Time Loop, but it was still in the flytrap, albeit a less dense expression of it. Reincarnation was the cycle of consciousness moving in and out of the Time Loop from other levels of the Matrix. The concept of reincarnation is another creation of the Matrix entity to hold consciousness in a cycle of servitude while believing it is 'evolving' through experience in line with the New Age belief. 'Do you think the Infinite has to reincarnate?' the voice said. 'Consciousness in the Matrix is also the Infinite, so why does that have to reincarnate?' It doesn't, it just believes that it does. As with the saying 'death is no cure for ignorance,' so it was the case that consciousness in other levels of the Matrix was also trapped by illusions. When consciousness withdrew from the 'physical' body it did not become immediately re-enlightened. That depended on its reality. In the five-sense realm what we think we should see is what we appear to see and experience. This, the voice explained, is what also happened in other frequencies of the Matrix. If consiousness left the body believing totally that it was going to the heaven of Jesus and the Christian version of God, this would be its experience; that is what it would 'see' because that is what it believed it would see. It was the same with the other religious beliefs and the Matrix maintained a Christian 'heaven,' Islamic 'heaven,' Hindu 'heaven,' and Jewish 'heaven,' etc. But these were nothing more than figments of expectation. Only that which was free of conditioned belief was able to transcend the vibratory illusions of the Matrix and become consciously one with the Infinite. Belief was the prison and other levels of the Matrix were different levels of illusion. This meant that the overwhelming majority of information 'channelled' through psychics in the Time Loop was from consciousness still caught in the Matrix. This might know more than those in the Time Loop density, but it was still in the web of illusion....

"The voice told me how 'New Age' thought and some philosophies of the East and native peoples were more enlightened than those of the purely Time Loop religions and sciences of mainstream society. The 'New Age' reality understood that the 'physical' realm was only one dimension of existence and there were many more beyond the vibrational walls of human senses. That was good, but what was not understood is that these other vibrating dimensions were still levels of the Matrix. They provided the constant 'supply' of consciousness to inhabit the Time Loop and generate the fear necessary to keep the Matrix 'alive.' New Age beliefs in a 'Great White Brotherhood' or an 'Ashtar Command' communicating with their chosen people were manipulations of the Time Loop from other levels of the Matrix. In fact, some were even communications from within the Time Loop planted in the minds of the 'psychic' by mind-control and forms of technological 'telepathy.' When psychics, like those in stage shows and television, were communicating with the deceased relatives of the audience, there were contacting levels of the Matrix very close to the Time Loop reality. Their other-frequency communicators may realise that there are other 'worlds' beyond the 'physical,' but they were still in the realms of Matrix delusion. They communicated about going to 'Halls of Learning' in their non-physical world and how the Earth was a spiritual 'university' where people came to learn some tough lessons and work out their 'karma.' This was illusion, the voice said, total illuuuuusion! 'Do you think the Infinite has to go to school to learn anything when it knows everything there is to know?' the voice said. As for 'karma,' the idea that you experience what you have made others experience, the voice asked: 'Why should the Infinite have to experience what it has made itself experience?' The idea of karma was a Matrix manipulation to indoctrinate beliefs in the passage of 'time' -- it's my karma from a past life or I am building karma for the future -- and to maintain people in a state of guilt and self-loathing." [Emphasis original]

-- David Icke, Tales from the Time Loop, pp. 337-39

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[Khazaq]

So, Icke doesn't believe the Matrix sends anyone to hell unless they believe they're going there? 

And why did Icke believe the voice?

[Geolibertarian]

So, Icke doesn't believe the Matrix sends anyone to hell unless they believe they're going there?

My hunch is that Icke would answer by saying that hell is just another illusion, and so there's no real hell for anyone to be sent to. This is why he entitled one of his books, "Infinite Love Is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion."

And why did Icke believe the voice?

For crying out loud, if you're that interested in understanding the basis of Icke's views and beliefs, then simply acquire one of his recent books and read through it. Amazon.com usually has used copies for less than $10.

[Khazaq]

My hunch is that Icke would answer by saying that hell is just another illusion, and so there's no real hell for anyone to be sent to. This is why he entitled one of his books, "Infinite Love Is the Only Truth, Everything Else is Illusion."

For crying out loud, if you're that interested in understanding the basis of Icke's views and beliefs, then simply acquire one of his recent books and read through it. Amazon.com usually has used copies for less than $10.

well, I'm not that interested, but thank you for your responses.

[Dok]

Yes.  So "the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God" represent people, right?

sort of, the garden is an analogy of the garden of God but with kings and rulers being planted by God.

[Khazaq]

At the risk of being politically incorrect, I'd like to address another issue.  The origin of the different races of man is somewhat of a mystery.  The Bible is silent about this.  It would seem a rather significant thing to mention if somehow the descendants of Noah started changing skin colors and body structures.  But this is not mentioned anywhere.  Could the original humans really develop into other races in the span of a few thousand years?  Could they actually do it within tens or hundreds of thousands of years?  Evolutionists would say yes, but do we trust their hypothesis?

Jeremiah 13:23  Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Is Jeremiah just saying that one Ethiopian man couldn't change his skin in his own lifetime, or would that also apply to all his descendants down through time?

I've read a story about a black couple giving birth to a white child, but who's to say they both didn't have white ancestors somewhere?

Usually people mention the following verse when these issues are raised:

Acts 17:26  And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

But did the Greeks use the term anthropos [men] to describe all men, or only those that looked like them?  And being made of one blood doesn't mean that all races of men shared a common ancestor. 

I know we're not supposed to talk about these kind of things, but I believe they are important questions.  The creation of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden in Genesis chapter two could have been done after other humans were created in Genesis chapter one.  If no one had conditioned our beliefs about it, wouldn't that be the natural understanding of it what transpired in those chapters?

[Femacamper]

I don't think it's inappropriate to talk about. Much of it is archaeological speculation, though.

[Khazaq]

I don't think it's inappropriate to talk about. Much of it is archaeological speculation, though.

Yes.  Traditional public education often leaves us with the impression that humans have everything figured out, that there are no mysteries.  I know that's how I thought for awhile when I was in high school.  Many scholars like to pretend they have it all figured out, but there is so much we don't know about the history of our world. 

[Femacamper]

Yes.  Traditional public education often leaves us with the impression that humans have everything figured out, that there are no mysteries.  I know that's how I thought for awhile when I was in high school.  Many scholars like to pretend they have it all figured out, but there is so much we don't know about the history of our world. 

Indeed. What we do know is amazing enough!

[Khazaq]

Indeed. What we do know is amazing enough!

It is amazing.  But today we live in a world where many deny the very existence of the spiritual world.  There are so many different philosophies, worldviews, and belief systems battling for our attention and adherence that is definitely a miracle anyone is saved.  Our times might be best characterized by one word:  confusion.

Luke 18:7-8
[7] And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
[8] I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?