If Ron Paul wins it means that he is a mind controlled Manchurian Candidate boogie boogie boogie

[Freebird100]

I hate to say but if Ron Paul ever got elected president it would be for him to be patsy for the final fall of the United States.

Picture him bringing all the troops home and then biggest false flag ever crushing the country.They would lay the blame totally on his shoulders.

[Freeski]

I hate to say but if Ron Paul ever got elected president it would be for him to be patsy for the final fall of the United States.

Picture him bringing all the troops home and then biggest false flag ever crushing the country.They would lay the blame totally on his shoulders.

Who cares. The most important thing of all is to win hearts and minds. This is a philosophical revolution and even though Ron Paul has already given his all, we can gracefully take whatever more he has to give. Long live Ron Paul!

[Dig]

I hate to say but if Ron Paul ever got elected president it would be for him to be patsy for the final fall of the United States.

Picture him bringing all the troops home and then biggest false flag ever crushing the country.They would lay the blame totally on his shoulders.

I hate to say it, but that conditioned response preaching apathy to inspiration was written in Club of Rome documents decades ago. Just like we were supposed to fear a true investigation into the JFK assassination because it would "end America".

Every false flag they have got they are using. They just melted down 6 nuclear reactors, murdered over 500,000 in less than a day in Haiti, assassinated Judge Roll, bombed 3 sovereign countries, released weaponized E. Coli, got caught murdering millions with TV mind control, conducted over 1,000 cyber false flags in the past 3 months, elected a BS president, stole over $30 trillion, blew up an oil rig in the gulf and killed off fisheries for the next 10 generations with COREXIT...

but yeah, you are right...living in continual fear of "what's next" is much better than actually giving a shit about humanity...

"Many free countries have lost their liberty, and ours may lose hers;
but if she shall, be it my proudest plume, not that I was the last to desert,
but that I never deserted her. I know that the great volcano at Washington,
aroused and directed by the evil spirit that reigns there, is belching forth
the lava of political corruption in a current broad and deep, which is
sweeping with frightful velocity over the whole length and breadth of the
land, bidding fair to leave unscathed no green spot or living thing; while
on its bosom are riding, like demons on the waves of hell, the imps of that
evil spirit, and fiendishly taunting all those who dare resist its destroying
course with the hopelessness of their effort; and, knowing this, I cannot
deny that all may be swept away. Broken by it I, too, may be;
 bow to it I never will.

~Abraham Lincoln

This was spoken in 1839

[Dig]

Just so we are all clear who the enemy is and how they operate...

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." -Sun Tzu

"To keep people everywhere from deciding their own destinies by means of one created crisis after another and then “managing” such crises. This will confuse and demoralize the population to the extent where faced with too many choices, apathy on a massive scale will result. In the case of the United States, an agency for crisis management is already in place. It is called the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), whose existence I first disclosed in 1980. There will be more on FEMA as we proceed." -John Coleman Committee of 300 http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_committee300_02.htm

Levin was the author of a work entitled “Time Perspective and Morale” which is a Club of Rome publication concerning how to break down the morale of nations and individual leaders.

Here is an extract of the document:

“One of the main techniques for breaking morale through a strategy of terror consists in exactly this tactic: keep the person hazy as to where he stands and just what he may expect. In addition, if frequent vacillations between severe disciplinary measures and promise of good treatment together with the spreading of contradictory news make the structure of the situation unclear, then the individual may cease to know whether a particular plan would lead toward or away from his goal.

Under these conditions, even those individuals who have definite goals and are ready to take risks are paralyzed by the severe inner conflict in regard to what to do.”

This Club of Rome blueprint applies to COUNTRIES as well as to individuals, particularly the government leaders of those countries. We in the U.S. need not think that “Oh well, this is America, and those kinds of things just do not happen here.” Let me assure you that they ARE happening in the U.S., and perhaps more so than in any other country.

The Levin-Club of Rome plan is designed to demoralize us all so that in the end we feel we should follow whatever it is that is planned for us. We WILL follow Club of Rome orders like sheep. Any seemingly strong leader who SUDDENLY APPEARS to “rescue” the nation must be regarded with the utmost suspicion. Remember that Khomeini was groomed for years by British intelligence, especially during his time in Paris, before he suddenly appeared as the savior of Iran. Boris Yeltsin is from the same M16-SIS stable.

The Club of Rome feels confident that it has carried out it Committee of 300 mandate to “soften up” the United States. After 45 years of waging war on the people of this nation, who will doubt that it has indeed accomplished its task? Look around and see how we have been demoralized.

[...]

With the U.S. spiritually, morally bankrupted, with our industrial base destroyed throwing 30 million people out of work with our big cities ghastly cesspools of every imaginable crime with a murder rate almost three times higher than any other country, with 4 million homeless, with corruption in government reaching endemic proportions, who will gainsay that the United States is ready to collapse from within, into the waiting arms of the New Dark Age One World Government?

[...]

We as a nation are ready to accept the demise of the United States of America and the American way of life, once the envy of the entire world.
 
Do not think this has happened on its own— the old “times are changing” syndrome. Time does not change anything, PEOPLE do.

Hey Tavistock...I got your apathy right here you pieces of psychopathic crapola!  

BELIEVE ME, THEIR FEAR IS GREATER THAN ANY OF OURS. WHO ELSE WOULD BE GOING TO SUCH LENGTHS TO TO CONTROL AND EXTINGUISH ALL OF HUMANITY?

From: ALAN WATT
"CRISIS CREATION BY THE CLUB OF ROME - CLUBBING US TO DEATH"
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_CrisisCreationClubOfRome_May302007.html
May 30, 2007 [Please read all of Alan Watt's analysis in the link above, it is amazing]

[...]
Here it is, summing it up. This is what all this is meant lead your mind to: coming to their conclusion.

             "The common enemy of humanity is man."
 
Alan:  Here's a beautiful psychopathic ability to double-think.

"The common enemy of humanity is man."

Alan:  This is the new enemy, you see, we always need enemies to come together to fight, to work, to strive towards, and to be taxed silly.

             "…in searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea…"

Alan:  I'll read that again.

"…in searching…"

Alan:  “In searching,” not in finding.

             "…in searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill."

Alan:  Now for the hard of thinking, I'll repeat that part.

"…in searching for a new enemy to unite us, we…"

Alan:  We--

"…we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill."

Alan:  That should be chiseled in your stone or painted on your living room walls; you could read it everyday, because if you forget this, you'll fall for everything else that just comes your way in your lifetime.

To continue:

             "In their totality and in their interactions, these phenomena do constitute a common threat which demands solidarity."

Alan:  Their goal is solidarity, like a religious movement.

"…of all peoples, but in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap about which we have already warned, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome."

Alan:  Behavior changes, behavior modification, you see.

Then they sum it up:

             "The real enemy…"

Alan:  --Which they have chosen, remember, to make you believe in.

             "The real enemy then is humanity itself."

This is a summary of a religion that's been indoctrinated and has been over the years, many years, which will bring in their new idealized society; but we have to believe in it, like a religion, to make it happen. And you think that your governments are making all these decisions for you.

Since the 1960’s, massive funding went into preaching the new environmentalism, the Gaia [or Gaea] worship, the overpopulation, “the sky is falling” attitudes that we've been brought along with.  Now you do have a generation that's grown up hearing nothing but this, who believe it's all true. Their reality is induced through propaganda and indoctrination, and reinforced by further propaganda, ongoing propaganda. A term they used in circles at the top, back in the 1940’s and '30’s even, they called it "continuing education."  That was their couching term for it, which would confuse Joe Average, but it literally meant: beginning with early childhood indoctrination at school and furthered down through time with newspapers, magazines, the radio and eventually television, to reinforce their original lies, until Joe Average and Jane Average think it’s all real and they behave accordingly.  

It’s no different than the way religion was used before that, where you'd run through the forest, terrified of all the demons behind every tree; and shadows, as the sun would move and cast the shadows; and it would get dark and you'd run into that big church, where it’s full of light and God was there to dispel all the darkness. It made you feel better and safe, and you clung to the holy men because they could save you.

Any reality can be induced, given time, reinforcement and promulgated from the top down, as the ancients talked about in Greece, when they discussed this many times in the writings of various philosophers. How many generations have lived, died, fought in wars, had moments of pleasure and masses of misery, never knowing that their reality and their belief system (and everything else) was given by a small dominant minority with the history of the ages and the sciences therein? Nothing has changed.

Eventually, you will see children who will volunteer for sterilization, thinking they're doing the world a great deed (or if they're singled out), because they will be told; and this is coming. It's been discussed, written about and published that they have defective genes. They might even have an allergy, “oh, my,” and they shouldn't really put that on to another generation of inflicting misery. You'll see the first generation being "enhanced," as they call it. That's was put forth to the public, through fiction again; the Star Trek series and the eventual space station series (I don’t know what they called it).  "Genetic enhancement,” see the movie, "Gattaca," good predictive programming.  

However, they will volunteer for sterilization, and probably get some social benefits if they go ahead and do this. Ultimately, of course, they won't need humans to breed, at the low levels. They've discussed this and published it too.  Charles Galton Darwin talked about the elite not altering themselves or altering their brains, because they must retain survival capabilities and instincts, since they will be steering the ship of Earth. Whereas Koestler, by the way, for all his so called leading of the left-wing worked for MI6 (declassified now). He said "the masses of people won't need their survival capabilities because the state will be making their decisions for them."

Therefore, we're going through just one part of an ongoing process.  It was ongoing and planned for your parents, grandparents and back through time. Masses of people have lived and died, never knowing reality; and that's what we're up against—those who steal our ability to be sentient. They decide what we will be, by giving us a scripted version of reality.  They often, in their arrogance, do come out with statements, psychopathically, because they are psychopaths, you see. Psychopaths have tremendous ego. They love to say, "Well, we really told you. It's just that you didn't listen," and they do tell us, and they chuckle that we don't get it because we cannot imagine people being so evil as to do what they do. That's why they get away with it. They're helped by myriads of bureaucrats, who, once again are conditioned in their little tunnel and they can't think outside of it either.  They will rationalize what they do, no matter what it is and no matter who suffers.

Get the book. Read through it, and you certainly will learn, by their own admissions that: the reality that you've had, and the one they're going to give you, was designed by them.

From Hamish and myself, it's good night, and may your god or your gods go with you.

"It was while I was in Catholic Central that Gerald Ford went into the office of President.  

This furthered what I had been conditioned to believe: that I had no place to run and no place to hide.  

Of course, since then, since I've been deprogrammed, I know I do have a place to run, and it's right at them.  

And I'm not the one with anything to hide.  

They're the ones who are hiding their secrets under this cloak of so-called "national security."

Cathy O'Brien http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/transcription_cathy_obrien.htm

A speech given outside the School of the Americas in outcry against the manipulation of MLK Day which has been reduced in meaning and message...

EVERYBODY READY FOR SOME ACTION?

EVERYBODY READY TO MAKE SOME STATEMENTS?

"We will stand up anyway until justice is won and until peace is won"
WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB_Jbr8R8XU

High Resolution:
http://wewillnotbesilenced.cf.huffingtonpost.com/non_violent_resistance.swf

Courage
It all comes down to courage . . .
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/05/courage.html
Friday, May 19, 2006

If you have courage, then you're willing to face that really stinky mess in the garage and clean it up. You have faith you can clean it up, because you've cleaned up other really stinky messes, or seen other people do it. In other words, you have faith because you have experience of succeeding in the past. Now Americans don't have much faith that we can throw out a bunch of murdering, psychotic tyrants (excuse my French). Why? Because we don't have experience succeeding against such people. Sure, the Founding Fathers threw out the British; but that was WAY back in the day, hundreds of years before we were born. French revolution? Ancient history, and different country. WWII? Still generations back for many of us, and that was different. The WWII generation was fighting "the good war", and never knew that our own government probably let Pearl Harbor be attacked in order to justify the U.S. entry into WWII to help out the British. So we have no experience of having really stood up to tyrants.

Fat and Happy
Moreover, we Americans have led a very pampered life for the past couple of decades. Sure, there has been inequality and exploitation, and some have had it a lot worse than others. But, other than stopping extreme forms of racism (Ku Klux Klan, etc.), we haven't had to defend our borders or our liberties. Basically, we complain if our tv goes on the fritz, or our team loses the game, or we can't afford that new, nicer whatzit, or if our boss is mean. We think those are big, Earth-shattering, history-changing events. But they are quite small in the grand scheme of things. And even those of us who think of ourselves as brave heroes usually only act like that when we know it is within the bounds of safety, within the limits of what we can handle. "Tough guys" tend to turn into meek mice whenever they are really threatened. So we're basically lazy and timid, but we don't know or admit it. We like to pretend we are like the Founding Fathers or John Wayne (at least the cowboys had to rough it a little). But we have no experience of successfully standing up to tyrants, so we have no faith that it can be done, and while the evidence is right before our noses that our current leaders are tyrants, we're so terrified that we have our knickers in a bunch.

What Would They Do?
Even if you haven't experienced success in standing up to tyrants, remember that the Founding Fathers did just that. They were just men, not gods. Sure, they were too persistent and stubborn to give up, but that's because they CARED about something: freedom. They may have lived hundreds of years before our time, but that doesn't matter -- we can still learn from their experience as if it were happening now. Time is an illusion, since human nature is the same now as it was then. Just as many people of faith ask "what would Jesus do?", we can also ask "what would the founding fathers do?" If they could do it, we can do it.

Take Heart
There is a real misunderstanding of what it means to be courageous. In America, courage is often thought of as a testosterone-driven toughness. There's nothing the matter with testosterone. Masculinity is a great thing. But many American men secretly fear that they don't have sufficient testosterone to really be brave when the chips are down. As I said above, even those of us who think of ourselves as brave men usually only act like that when we know it is within the bounds of safety, within the limits of what we can handle. We might jump in a bar room brawl to protect our buddy, but that's because we know we're only going to get knocked around a little bit -- nothing but bruises that will go away in a little while. The stakes just aren't that high. But most American men secretly doubt whether they are macho enough to pull it off under fire. They may watch alot of action movies, and talk tough, and stand up when its not really dangerous (or when they clearly outgun the other guy), but they are secretly terrified that they don't have quite enough backbone to pull it off against the big boys, such as tyrants.

I would argue that this view fundamentally misunderstands the nature of courage, and ensures that we will never have true courage when it counts. By way of analogy, the word "discipline" comes from "disciple". If you are a true "disciple" of an idea of a plan or a strategy or a religion, then you will stick to it and "have discipline" to reach your goal. It is not just a matter of willpower; it is also devotion to something bigger than ourselves. Similarly, the word "courage" comes from the French "with heart". Why does it have this root meaning? Because it takes heart to act bravely. That's how my childhood Karate teacher used the word: when I was practicing with courage, power and focus, he would say "you have alot of heart today" (indeed, many old-school warriors use the phrase "fighting with heart" in that way). If courage is acting "with heart", we've lost heart. And without heart, we cannot face the truth of 9/11, or lying to start wars, or vote fraud, or fascism, or torture, or dictatorship.

So how do we regain our heart? Well, let's start with what gets our hearts beating.

Remember that the mother bear is one of the fiercest animals of all. Just get between a mother bear and her cub and you'll see what I mean. It is her love of her cub which gives her the heart to face any enemy when her cub is threatened. It is not her level of testosterone, but rather her love for her cub which makes her so fierce. Just as discipline is more than just willpower, courage stems from something bigger than just cajones. In fact, the strongest courage comes from the love of something we care about, since our heart will sustain us even when the chips are really down and we are really up against a tyrant. As the ancient Chinese philosopher Lao Tzu said: "Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage." In addition, we're no longer living in the old west. Individualism is very important in numerous ways, but we can only win against the tyrants as a team, as a community, as a nation. And only by opening our hearts to what matters will we be able to work together, to fight for all of our kids, and all of our freedom. Only then will we be able to put the tyrants back in the box.

Do we care about our kids, our significant others, our parents, our friends? Do we care about the freedom to choose what we want, instead of having our "great leader" choose for us? If not, what DO we care about? Because if that is where your heart is, that is what will give you courage. Even if you are driven by greed, then -- unless you directly make your living from the defense or oil industries (the two sectors profiting wildy under the current administration) -- you have motive to restore democracy to our country.

I care too much about my kids and my freedom to be afraid. I care enough about them that it gets my heart beating, connects me to something bigger than myself, and that gives me courage, even when the chips are down.

Courage is an innate human quality. It is within each of us, waiting to reveal itself when we open our hearts. When we act with heart, by definition, we are courageous.

Those who would trade safety for freedom deserve neither.
– Thomas Jefferson

Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing.
- Hellen Keller

Whatever you can do or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it.
- Goethe

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the judgment that something else is more important than fear.
- Ambrose Redmoon

Courage is an everyday thing. When we look reality squarely in the eye and refuse to back away from our awareness, we are living courage.
- Anonymous

To have courage for whatever comes in life - everything lies in that.
- Mother Teresa

It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
- Robert F . Kennedy

It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare; it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
- Seneca, Native American

Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others.
- Aristotle

Courage is being scared to death but saddling up anyway.
- John Wayne

Courage is doing what your afraid to do. There can be no courage unless you're scared.
- Eddie Rickenbacker

Courage is fear holding on a minute longer.
- George Patton

One man with courage makes a majority.
- Andrew Jackson

Be bold and courageous. When you look back on your life, you'll regret the things you didn't do more than the ones you did.
- H. Jackson Brown, Jr.

You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face.
— Eleanor Roosevelt

Within each of us is a hidden store of energy. Energy we can release to compete in the marathon of life Within each of us is a hidden store of courage. Courage to give us the strength to face any challenge Within each of us is a hidden store of determination. Determination to keep us in the race when all seems lost.
- Roger Dawson

We must never despair; our situation has been compromising before; and it changed for the better; so I trust it will again. If difficulties arise; we must put forth new exertion and proportion our efforts to the exigencies of the times.
- George Washington

We must remember that one determined person can make a significant difference, and that a small group of determined people can change the course of history.
-Sonia Johnson

Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
- Margaret Mead

[Freeski]

"The real enemy then is humanity itself."

I don't buy that, unless you can present a strong case that individual people are too stupid to be allowed to run their own lives - as opposed to our current system which thinks and plans in terms of groups.

Teach about liberty. It's all we can do!

[Dig]

"The real enemy then is humanity itself."

I don't buy that, unless you can present a strong case that individual people are too stupid to be allowed to run their own lives - as opposed to our current system which thinks and plans in terms of groups.

Teach about liberty. It's all we can do!

You better not buy that, it is a lie fabricated by the Club of Rome which only shows who their real enemy is. The enemy of the elite is humanity itself, that is why they want a virtual reality to stop the awakening humanity that is finding out more and more about their rape, theft, and genocide over the last 100+ years.

[decepticon]

i don't think the false flags will be as epic without nwo puppets literally at the controls.

fox actually had it featured on the main page below the "nato accidentally bombs rebels" story.

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/18/rep-ron-paul-wins-straw-poll-gop-conference

[JT Coyoté]

"The real enemy then is humanity itself."

I don't buy that, unless you can present a strong case that individual people are too stupid to be allowed to run their own lives - as opposed to our current system which thinks and plans in terms of groups.

Teach about liberty. It's all we can do!

It's all been engineered, my friend. The "us against them" mentality has been honed to a fine edge, and was exemplified in the debate last Monday when each candidate was asked to choose what they thought a group chose when given two alternatives... did you see it... Dr. Paul was asked if the choice was Blackberry, or I-Phone... he said Blackberry...

At the Republican Conference on Friday Dr. Paul spoke... it sounded like a 40 minute pointed rant from Alex Jones as rendered and enacted by Ron Paul... I watched it last night at 12:55am MT on C-SPAN... It was a spectacle to behold... I get goose-bumps just thinking about it!

JTCoyoté

"Color of Law government, no matter it's structure,
will always manufacture crisis and catastrophe in
the same laboratory as they create the solutions,
thus tyranny turns every contingency into an
opportunity for grabbing  greater power for itself."
~Oldyoti

[Freeski]

You better not buy that, it is a lie fabricated by the Club of Rome which only shows who their real enemy is. The enemy of the elite is humanity itself, that is why they want a virtual reality to stop the awakening humanity that is finding out more and more about their rape, theft, and genocide over the last 100+ years.

I buy it big time!

[Freeski]

You better not buy that, it is a lie fabricated by the Club of Rome which only shows who their real enemy is. The enemy of the elite is humanity itself, that is why they want a virtual reality to stop the awakening humanity that is finding out more and more about their rape, theft, and genocide over the last 100+ years.

I don't get you!

What exactly is a lie?

[Freeski]

It's all been engineered, my friend.

And that's the whole point of it. Liberty versus control. Pick your side!

[JT Coyoté]

And that's the whole point of it. Liberty versus control. Pick your side!

What you point to here with the dipole of Liberty vs Control, is the true paradigm... all of the other choices, Rep/Dem, left/right, CIA/AlCiada, Blackberry/I-phone, Bruins/Canucks, Coke/Pepsi, Ford/Chevy, and so on and on and on, are false paradigms... They are all obfuscational constructs created by "Control," to keep you busy in ceaseless and meaningless minutia, averting your eyes, holding you back from choosing LIBERTY! That I believe IS the Point.

JTCoyoté

"What has been the effect of coercion?
To make one-half the world fools and
the other half hypocrites. To support
roguery and error all over the earth."
~Thomas Jefferson

[Freeski]

What you point to here with the dipole of Liberty vs Control, is the true paradigm... all of the other choices, Rep/Dem, left/right, CIA/AlCiada, Blackberry/I-phone, Bruins/Canucks, Coke/Pepsi, Ford/Chevy, and so on and on and on, are false paradigms... They are all obfuscational constructs created by "Control," to keep you busy in ceaseless and meaningless minutia, averting your eyes, holding you back from choosing LIBERTY! That I believe IS the Point.

JTCoyoté

"What has been the effect of coercion?
To make one-half the world fools and
the other half hypocrites. To support
roguery and error all over the earth."
~Thomas Jefferson

Amen brother!

[Freebird100]

Honestly,who was the last president to get elected by a honest vote where the NWO criminals didn`t tilt the scales? JFK? Reagan? My point is if Ron Paul ever did get elected it would be for a reason.A reason none of us would like.

Another point is that their mind control is very good.Much better than most of you think it is.Do you really think all those in Washington DC,past and present threw the country under a bus for just greed? We`re talking about totally destroying the United States.Do you really believe everyone one of them would do such a thing???

IT IS MIND CONTROL THAT TIPS THE SCALES.IT IS MIND CONTROL WHY ALL THIS CRAZY SHIT IS HAPPENING.IT IS MIND CONTROL WHY THESE BASTARDS ARE SO CONFIDENT.

Here is a excerpt from John Marks book,The Manchurian Candidate about hypnosis.

"The CIA's first behavioral research czar, Morse Allen of ARTICHOKE, was intrigued by hypnosis. He read everything he could get his hands on, and in 1951 he went to New York for a four-day course from a well-known stage hypnotist. This hypnotist had taken the Svengali legend to heart, and he bombarded Allen with tales of how he used hypnosis to seduce young women. He told the ARTICHOKE chief that he had convinced one mesmerized lady that he was her husband and that she desperately wanted him. That kind of deception has a place in covert operations, and Morse Allen was sufficiently impressed to report back to his bosses the hypnotist's claim that "he spent approximately five nights a week away from home engaging in sexual intercourse."
    Apart from the bragging, the stage hypnotist did give Morse Allen a short education in how to capture a subject's attention and induce a trance. Allen returned to Washington more convinced than ever of the benefits of working hypnosis into the ARTICHOKE repertory and of the need to build a defense against it. With permission from above, he decided to take his hypnosis studies further, right in his own office. He asked young CIA secretaries to stay after work and ran them through the hypnotic paces—proving to his own satisfaction that he could make them do whatever he wanted. He had secretaries steal SECRET files and pass them on to total strangers, thus violating the most basic CIA security rules. He got them to steal from each other and to start fires. He made one of them report to the bedroom of a strange man and then go into a deep sleep. "This activity clearly indicates that individuals under hypnosis might be compromised and blackmailed," Allen wrote. "

That account is from 1951. How good do you think their mind control is now?
Now they have ELF or microwave mind control.
They are polished.They have their techniques down pat.They are light years ahead from what most can imagine.

Do you really think all those politicians that to molested Cathy O`Brien,Brice Taylor and the boys in the Franklin Cover-Up did it all on their own? Do you really think everyone in Washington is a pedaphile?
IT WAS MIND CONTROL THEN AND IT`S MIND CONTROL NOW!

You can call my comment "a conditioned response preaching apathy to inspiration" but facts are facts.All the courage in the world doesn`t mean a thing if they can alter your mind to the point that you become one of them.


 

[JT Coyoté]

Honestly,who was the last president to get elected by a honest vote where the NWO criminals didn`t tilt the scales? JFK? Reagan? My point is if Ron Paul ever did get elected it would be for a reason.A reason none of us would like.

Another point is that their mind control is very good.Much better than most of you think it is.Do you really think all those in Washington DC,past and present threw the country under a bus for just greed? We`re talking about totally destroying the United States.Do you really believe everyone one of them would do such a thing???

IT IS MIND CONTROL THAT TIPS THE SCALES.IT IS MIND CONTROL WHY ALL THIS CRAZY SHIT IS HAPPENING.IT IS MIND CONTROL WHY THESE BASTARDS ARE SO CONFIDENT.

Here is a excerpt from John Marks book,The Manchurian Candidate about hypnosis.

"The CIA's first behavioral research czar, Morse Allen of ARTICHOKE, was intrigued by hypnosis. He read everything he could get his hands on, and in 1951 he went to New York for a four-day course from a well-known stage hypnotist. This hypnotist had taken the Svengali legend to heart, and he bombarded Allen with tales of how he used hypnosis to seduce young women. He told the ARTICHOKE chief that he had convinced one mesmerized lady that he was her husband and that she desperately wanted him. That kind of deception has a place in covert operations, and Morse Allen was sufficiently impressed to report back to his bosses the hypnotist's claim that "he spent approximately five nights a week away from home engaging in sexual intercourse."
    Apart from the bragging, the stage hypnotist did give Morse Allen a short education in how to capture a subject's attention and induce a trance. Allen returned to Washington more convinced than ever of the benefits of working hypnosis into the ARTICHOKE repertory and of the need to build a defense against it. With permission from above, he decided to take his hypnosis studies further, right in his own office. He asked young CIA secretaries to stay after work and ran them through the hypnotic paces—proving to his own satisfaction that he could make them do whatever he wanted. He had secretaries steal SECRET files and pass them on to total strangers, thus violating the most basic CIA security rules. He got them to steal from each other and to start fires. He made one of them report to the bedroom of a strange man and then go into a deep sleep. "This activity clearly indicates that individuals under hypnosis might be compromised and blackmailed," Allen wrote. "

That account is from 1951. How good do you think their mind control is now?
Now they have ELF or microwave mind control.
They are polished.They have their techniques down pat.They are light years ahead from what most can imagine.

Do you really think all those politicians that to molested Cathy O`Brien,Brice Taylor and the boys in the Franklin Cover-Up did it all on their own? Do you really think everyone in Washington is a pedaphile?
IT WAS MIND CONTROL THEN AND IT`S MIND CONTROL NOW!

You can call my comment "a conditioned response preaching apathy to inspiration" but facts are facts.All the courage in the world doesn`t mean a thing if they can alter your mind to the point that you become one of them.


 

BS...

Hell, you have lost already if you cannot tell reality from fantasy, something based on a good grounding from an early age... the fact is that 1 in 5 cannot be hypnotized, mesmerized, or even fogged, by passive means of any kind... it is for these that torture was created... or more effectively, quazi-suicide-death by "no-knock raid."

Oldyoti

"Arbitrary power is most easily established on
the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness."
~George Washington,
Circular to the States,
May 9, 1753

[Dig]

Honestly,who was the last president to get elected by a honest vote where the NWO criminals didn`t tilt the scales? JFK? Reagan? My point is if Ron Paul ever did get elected it would be for a reason.A reason none of us would like.

Actually, you could say the exact opposite...because everyone is now aware how the handful of elite scumbags control elections, they better make sure to stay out of this election or they will never again have even a chance of deceiving us again. Just look at every fake poll they try to shove in our faces, every attempt to demonize him...it is exposed quicker than their spin doctors can handle.

Another point is that their mind control is very good.Much better than most of you think it is.Do you really think all those in Washington DC,past and present threw the country under a bus for just greed? We`re talking about totally destroying the United States.Do you really believe everyone one of them would do such a thing???

IT IS MIND CONTROL THAT TIPS THE SCALES.IT IS MIND CONTROL WHY ALL THIS CRAZY SHIT IS HAPPENING.IT IS MIND CONTROL WHY THESE BASTARDS ARE SO CONFIDENT.

And because they are so confident and playing a rigged game, they are making mistakes. It is less than 10,000 attempting to complete a plan to enslave/exterminate 7 billion. Their plans will fail with or without Ron Paul, with or without all of us. These plans are the most insane ones ever imagined, their insatiable desire for power and control are leading them into a suicide mission anyway.

Here is a excerpt from John Marks book,The Manchurian Candidate about hypnosis.

"The CIA's first behavioral research czar, Morse Allen of ARTICHOKE, was intrigued by hypnosis. He read everything he could get his hands on, and in 1951 he went to New York for a four-day course from a well-known stage hypnotist. This hypnotist had taken the Svengali legend to heart, and he bombarded Allen with tales of how he used hypnosis to seduce young women. He told the ARTICHOKE chief that he had convinced one mesmerized lady that he was her husband and that she desperately wanted him. That kind of deception has a place in covert operations, and Morse Allen was sufficiently impressed to report back to his bosses the hypnotist's claim that "he spent approximately five nights a week away from home engaging in sexual intercourse."
    Apart from the bragging, the stage hypnotist did give Morse Allen a short education in how to capture a subject's attention and induce a trance. Allen returned to Washington more convinced than ever of the benefits of working hypnosis into the ARTICHOKE repertory and of the need to build a defense against it. With permission from above, he decided to take his hypnosis studies further, right in his own office. He asked young CIA secretaries to stay after work and ran them through the hypnotic paces—proving to his own satisfaction that he could make them do whatever he wanted. He had secretaries steal SECRET files and pass them on to total strangers, thus violating the most basic CIA security rules. He got them to steal from each other and to start fires. He made one of them report to the bedroom of a strange man and then go into a deep sleep. "This activity clearly indicates that individuals under hypnosis might be compromised and blackmailed," Allen wrote. "

That account is from 1951. How good do you think their mind control is now?
Now they have ELF or microwave mind control.
They are polished.They have their techniques down pat.They are light years ahead from what most can imagine.

Do you really think all those politicians that to molested Cathy O`Brien,Brice Taylor and the boys in the Franklin Cover-Up did it all on their own? Do you really think everyone in Washington is a pedaphile?
IT WAS MIND CONTROL THEN AND IT`S MIND CONTROL NOW!

You are saying that if Ron Paul wins it proves he is a Manchurian Candidate?

bwaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You can call my comment "a conditioned response preaching apathy to inspiration" but facts are facts.All the courage in the world doesn`t mean a thing if they can alter your mind to the point that you become one of them.

Holy crap, you really are saying that. Please read a lot more, a lot, lot, lot more. The only reason you know about Cathy O'Brien is because humanity is more powerful than all of their virtual humanity operations and to think that Ron Paul after 30 years of speaking truth to power is a Manchurian Candidate who is mind controlled is a bit odd. Especially because his main goal is to limit the power of the executive branch back to the constitutional allowable limitations. Especially because he is preaching a message of freedom rather than a "rock star" blind faith to his personnal image. Especially because he has awoken the American people to the insanity of the Private Federal Reserve (as well as the plan to implode it to give rise to a more draconian form of currency). Especially because he has successfully educated both the right and left sides that war is a racket. Especially after making sure the constitution is mentioned and celebrated any time he gives a speech. If he is a Manchurian candidate then the manchurian candidate operation is a total attack on the elite power structure because all he is doing is proving that we should never trust any candidate to give us power...he exposes the fact that we always had the power the entire time and that the constitution reinforces this fact.

[Freebird100]

BS...

Hell, you have lost already if you cannot tell reality from fantasy based on a good grounding from an early age... the fact is that 1 in 5 cannot be hypnotized, mesmerized or even fogged, by passive means of any kind... it is for these that torture was created... or more effectively, quazi-suicide-death by "no-knock raid."

Oldyoti

"Arbitrary power is most easily established on
the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness."
~George Washington,
Circular to the States,
May 9, 1753

Sorry JT I know from first hand experience.I`ve lived it for a very long time.Of course that couldn`t be possible because I`m just some guy who posts on the forum?

It`s true man.They can do things to your mind that will destroy beliefs you had your entire life.

[Freebird100]

You are saying that if Ron Paul wins it proves he is a Manchurian Candidate?

bwaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I`m not saying that.I`m saying they can use their mind control in a million different ways.I`d say a majority of congress has had their minds altered that has brought us where we are today.It could be as simple as a single vote on a bill.It doesn`t have to mean being a child molester.

[Dig]

You are saying that if Ron Paul wins it proves he is a Manchurian Candidate?

bwaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I`m not saying that.I`m saying they can use their mind control in a million different ways.I`d say a majority of congress has had their minds altered that has brought us where we are today.It could be as simple as a single vote on a bill.It doesn`t have to mean being a child molester.

A vote on a single bill? He has been in congress over 20 years, please find one vote out of thousands by him which backs up your argument. And as president, he does not issue votes. If they attack him with ELF or other remote systems, the world will know instantly, it will be seen as an attack on the republic itself. They are screwed every way, up and down all around and they know it. They are continuing to try and use fear tactics against humanity, that is all they have left in their weapons arsenal.

[Freebird100]

"The only reason you know about Cathy O'Brien is because humanity is more powerful than all of their virtual humanity operations"

Knowledge of  Cathy O`Brien meant what? Nothing`s changed.95% of the world still has never heard of her.Cheney isn`t for raping her.Most people wouldn`t believe her anyway.It doesn`t really amount to much does it?
For whatever reason her story was allowed to be revealed.

We can all hope for the best with Ron Paul.I`ve had his bumper sticker on my car for 4 years now.No I don`t think he`s a Manchurian candidate.

For all we know the NWO has let this movement go so they could identify the people who would rebel.

[Freebird100]

A vote on a single bill? He has been in congress over 20 years, please find one vote out of thousands by him which backs up your argument. And as president, he does not issue votes. If they attack him with ELF or other remote systems, the world will know instantly, it will be seen as an attack on the republic itself. They are screwed every way, up and down all around and they know it. They are continuing to try and use fear tactics against humanity, that is all they have left in their weapons arsenal.

I`m not talking about Ron Paul in particular.I`m talking about all of congress.

[Dig]

I`m not talking about Ron Paul in particular.I`m talking about all of congress.

We know about congressional mind control, it was admitted by the Pentagon in the Rolling Stones article a month ago, you are specifically talking about Ron Paul, at least you were, maybe you are not anymore. Maybe the adjustment bureau has been making more visits

[worcesteradam]

Even if we take america back. Theyll use china and Russia to launch nukes against freedom. its a long hard road ahead.
Its the reformation all over again

[chrisfromchi]

I still think the republicans are punting with Ron Paul.

punting cause since this ww3 is supposed to go down soon...then pro-war people will be with obama the antiwar will be paul.

and even if paul were to win then paul as a president is stuck with the new war and we won't be able to get out.

[Dig]

I still think the republicans are punting with Ron Paul.

punting cause since this ww3 is supposed to go down soon...then pro-war people will be with obama the antiwar will be paul.

and even if paul were to win then paul as a president is stuck with the new war and we won't be able to get out.

We are already engaged openly in 4 wars and clandestinely in over 10 wars...how many more wars do they need to hide all of their crimes? The war bubble is imploding and they know it. Everyone is sick of it and everyone was lied to...the compartmentalized lies are seeping into each other and massive amounts of sub-elites are waking up. Waking up to the fact that no one is safe in the new world order, their only chance is with we the people. This has happened many times throughout history and it is happening again.

[chrisfromchi]

We are already engaged openly in 4 wars and clandestinely in over 10 wars...how many more wars do they need to hide all of their crimes? The war bubble is imploding and they know it. Everyone is sick of it and everyone was lied to...the compartmentalized lies are seeping into each other and massive amounts of sub-elites are waking up. Waking up to the fact that no one is safe in the new world order, their only chance is with we the people. This has happened many times throughout history and it is happening again.

I'm just a bit indifferent with things atm. There are very few real solutions to any of this and I'm apprehensive of where all this is panning out and there is a lot of it.

I still think i'm lucky to be alive at this moment to witness it all tho.

[Dig]

I'm just a bit indifferent with things atm. There are very few real solutions to any of this and I'm apprehensive of where all this is panning out and there is a lot of it.

I still think i'm lucky to be alive at this moment to witness it all tho.

I believe that they operate on very strict timelines with compartmentalized masses. I believe that the Global War on Terror operations were supposed to have been over in 2006-2007. The Iraq wildcar war (it was not a full NWO operation, it was a side show gift to the neocons which the top globalists reluctantly agreed to IMO) got over-extended and it kept the GWoT going strong. There was supposed to be a shift from "Arab terrorism" to "Homegrown threats". The elites have failed to convince the American people of this, mainly because of old time patriots from the ruby ridge/waco days who kept the fire of liberty burning here. These patriots warned us up front that this was the gameplan so any attempt at shifting the narratives in the MSM was met with a huge backlash. Additionally, the climate scam was set to be fully operational by now, the COP15/climategate confessions exposed the cam and re-adjusted perception to reality. The climate scam was supposed to take over all monetary systems by now and that has not happened. So all of these debt systems that are set to implode have no fallback to a new system. I believe this is why the contingency plans of invading dozens of countries and just stealing their wealth is underway. I also believe this is why STUXNET was released a year before it should have been. If the Japan meltdown occured without us knowing for months about STUXNET, then we never would even have suspected it. But the bankers wanted more power over Iran so they went with the BETA product and woke us up to these true cyber threats and to back end systems being controllable (SCADA, Ptech, GoAgile systems are now very well exposed). So without the climate scam to get into, GWoT is still necessary even though no one believes it. No one even believes the BS about OBL being supposedly killed for the first time. The new al-qaeda leader dined with the secretary of the army, these issues are too powerful for the elite to continue manipulating perception but they have to make these quick decisions because of the timelines running into each other.

I really think that climategate successfully derailed their next major operations. It would be as if Anthony Schaffer leaked all of the info about Able Danger 6 months before 9/11. Then when 9/11 would have happened, they could not have tricked us so easily for us to give up so much. Now no one wants to give up more to the carbon taxing elites, it won't work IMO. So, what we are seeing is various chaotic trial false flags with quick spin and manipulation and then silence. The Japan STUXNET false flag was supposed to end all nuclear energy internationally in an instant...it only succeeded in Germany and when they fully see what happened, they may reverse those decisions. We see the Arab Spring was supposed to take over 10 North Aftrican nations without a shot fired. It succeeded in 2, but those 2 are now plagued with total chaos such that all other operations are at a stand still. With Libya and Syria, the elite do not want to wait and they are illegally planning to send over 50,000 American troops into these countries within the next 4 months. Nothing is going to wake up America more than this, this will completely expose the NWO in my opinion, but they seem to not even care. And all of those actions are just to distract from the true European revolution occuring where the elite banking cartel is being fully exposed.

I believe that most of the elites' attention is on the EU. If the EU and the Euro fail, they have lost their most powerful base of operations. I believe that because of this, America has an opportunity to see what is going on and the fact that all of the elites' promises: sound money, building democracy in the middle east, keeping us safe, educating our children, etc. are all lies, all complete frauds. When this occurs, even the compartmentalized sub-elites resist cooperating. This middle layer questions whether the elite will ever keep a promise and what kind of future are they helping to create.

Wars are won in the temple, before a battle is ever faught. -Sun Tzu

We are winning the battles in the temples because they have simply lied for too long, they have zero credibility. We need to continue these conversations and these investigations (if you can even call it that, all the info is so readily available) at full throttle, they are making a difference. Once enough sub-elites realize that their freedoms are protected by the constitution and the inalienable rights, then the elite will have no choice but to back off...their fully operational terminator systems are not complete yet.

[Dig]

"The only reason you know about Cathy O'Brien is because humanity is more powerful than all of their virtual humanity operations"

Knowledge of  Cathy O`Brien meant what? Nothing`s changed.95% of the world still has never heard of her.Cheney isn`t for raping her.Most people wouldn`t believe her anyway.It doesn`t really amount to much does it?
For whatever reason her story was allowed to be revealed.

It amounts to a full understanding of the alien invasion hoax, the collapse of the left/right paradigms, the use of pedaphile rings by the elite, etc. etc. It is even used by you in this very thread.

For all we know the NWO has let this movement go so they could identify the people who would rebel.

Yup, just like many other things and what they are finding out is that over 200 million will rebel and they better just get the f out of this country just like when they were kicked out of India.

[Dig]

The Euro is starting to crumble:
UK banks abandon eurozone over Greek default fears
UK banks have pulled billions of pounds of funding from the eurozone as fears grow about the impact of a “Lehman-style” event connected to a Greek default.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8584442/UK-banks-abandon-eurozone-over-Greek-default-fears.html
Biggest strike for 100 years – union chief
Pensions revolt won't be like the miners – because we'll win, says Unison general secretary Dave Prentis
The leader of the largest public sector union promises to mount the most sustained campaign of industrial action the country has seen since the general strike of 1926, vowing not to back down until the government has dropped its controversial pension changes.
The Guardian, Saturday 18 June 2011
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jun/18/biggest-strike-100-years-union

Listen to the AJ show Thursday and Friday...the 8 largest banking families are being exposed all over Europe!

[chrisfromchi]

The subtle message the administration is trying to make for both links...here is a reason to invade/escalate

Pakistanis Tipped Off Militants Again, Says U.S. Officials
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/18/pakistan-tipped-off-militants-suspects_n_879836.html

NATO Hits Rebel Forces In Libya
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/18/nato-rebel-forces-libya_n_879799.html

[Dig]

The only reason they are talking about the Arab riots is because they are covering up true demands for power in Europe, check this out...


Max Keiser, Noulas and Tobras “tell all” on Alex Jones radio show (VIDEOS)
http://hellasfrappe.blogspot.com/2011/06/max-keiser-noulas-and-tobras-tell-all.html
June 17, 2011

In the wake of everything that has been happening in Greece over the past few days, and while observing the protests in the heart of the his hotel room in Athens,  RT economic analyst Max Keiser told Alex Jones on Wednesday that the Greek people are angry at their government because they are convinced it has committed high treason by trading with the enemy on the credit default swap market. In a revealing interview with Kyriakos Tobras and George Noulas, Keiser points out to Jones how Greece fell victim to economic terrorism.

Speaking to Alex Jones, Keiser said he had exclusive footage of the fake anarchists, or provocateurs that suddenly appeared out of nowhere and were set on disrupting the peaceful protests that were being held outside of the parliament.

Max Keiser said he had exclusive footage of the “fake anarchists” as he termed them, and would only release the video, once he left the country. He said his camera crew actually caught the faces on screen. “They were infiltrating the crowd, and using huge amounts of tear gas,” said Keiser.

The RT journalist said he was in Athens, at the invitation of Dr. Kyriakos Tobras and former Member of Parliament, and Attorney, George Noulas (from stopspeculators.com) to speak to a special forum that was organized by them for the Athens Bar Association. Keiser apparently addressed the group of Greek lawyers over the lawsuit filed by his two hosts.


It needs to be reiterated that Tobras and Noulas are trying to subpoena the CEO of Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfein for the banking crimes that he has committed in Greece. Keiser noted that www.stopspeculators.gr  “has gone against the status quo,” adding that both Noulas and Tobras have “put their political careers on the line” to fight and expose this corrupt banking system. Keiser said that the Athens Bar Association was shocked and horrified to uncover the details of the lawsuit and he then revealed that they are now getting set to mount "a serious case against Goldman Sachs and John Paulson, (head of hedge-fund giant Paulson & Co,). "They are looking to subpoena these guys in a court of law and get them in jail,” said Keiser.

The purpose of Noulas’ and Tobras’ case, according to Keiser, is to put the bankers in jail “just like Henry Kissinger was chased out of Bilderberg they are looking to chase (CEO of Goldman Sachs) Lloyd Blankfein and put him in jail” as well because “he is a financial terrorist”. (Click here to learn more about how George Papandreou is suspected of being involved in this CDS case)

Max Keiser said that the Greek crises is not a national problem, but is more global than some may think because it could in the end add to the woes of the American banking system. He said that this is because European banks that bought Greek bonds and are presently suffering on account of this, also purchased insurance on the debt from American banks in the form of Credit Default Swaps or CDS; and now he added American banks "are on the hook for 127 billion US dollars because of it." “So now they are putting out the story that American money markets are going to suffer as a result of the Greek tragedy,” Keiser pointed out.This last point makes sense and it also explains why the US is in full support of the Papandreou government.

Keiser noted that Americans should not be apathetic to what is happening in Greece because as he described “this is a test run” for further things to come. “They are using the same techniques in the US to take over the highways and the income producing assets of the US. All those things that were built by American tax payers are going to fall into the hands of private groups”. The RT economic analyst said that they are using Greece and Ireland as a testing ground because the overall plan in the end is to strike at the American economy, because as he said... it is the “big pinata”.

At this point Keiser made a startling revelation, he said that while arriving at his hotel a day prior to the televised interview to Jones, he accidently entered the wrong hotel and came face to face with Steve Forbes, (son of Malcolm Forbes – Forbes magazine). Max Keiser said that Forbes was in Athens for an international chamber of commerce event, the topic of which was centered on the selling of Greek state assets. Keiser said he chatted  with Forbes for a few minutes and uncovered that speculative buyers (or as Alex Jones termed them: vultures) were there to discuss how to acquire the airport, the national lottery and other such public assets "for pennies to the dollar". Forbes, according to Keiser, described it all as the "deal of a lifetime”.

Turning to the subject of debt, Keiser told Alex Jones that Greece was loaded with hundreds of billions of dollars worth of debt that was pushed on to its state balance sheets from a “very corrupt government,” and now, he added, they are saying that the debt needs to be repaid. For Greece to do so, he noted, they (the IMF, EU and European Central Bank - Troika) require that Greece sell off all of its state assets. “The debt was artificially pushed on to them (Greece) to begin with, we see the same thing in South America and in Latin America, it was even written in John Perkins' book ‘The Confessions of an Economic Hitman’. The same techniques are being used in Greece and Ireland and the same techniques will be used in America”.

Taking the stage, George Noulas said that he was determined to move ahead with the lawsuit that he and his partner Kyriakos Tobras have filed, while he expressed the hope that it will expose the speculators and economic terrorists behind this attack on Greece. Noulas revealed that their lawsuit is in full swing, because as he said they have all the evidence needed “to stop this terrorist act” against Greece.

Cutting in Keiser said that by engaging in Credit Default Swaps, the prime minister of Greece, George Papandreou has committed “an act of treason”. Noulas agreed and on his part revealed that the one of the people capable of manipulating the Greek debt is Petros Christodoulou. For those of you who are not aware Christodoulou was a former Goldman Sachs employee, and responsible for the swap that was made in 2001 under the government of the then prime minister of Greece (and former leader of the ruling PASOK party) Costas Simitis. “This SWAP” noted Noulas was Greece's ticket into the Eurozone. Today, Noulas added, it is Christodoulou once again who is behind all the dealings “with Goldman Sachs, with Paulson and with Sorros”. (When it walks like a duck, clucks like a duck... it must be a duck no?)

Asked why this information has not made its way to the public, and why Papandreou has not been indicted yet, Noulas said that the case is sensitive and difficult to unfold to the general public at this stage, but nonetheless, more and more people are being informed about it.

Tobras at this point said the reason they started to investigate the case in the first place was to understand why the national debt of Greece bloated to such a degree. He revealed that almost 70 percent of the Greek debt is an accumulation of interest rates because as he described Greece has paid “this capital so many times” and will be once again obligated to pay the same debt again in the years to follow on account of “capitalisations” on it. “This debt,” added Tobras “was accumulated over the years, by SWAPS on SWAPS, this is a debt on SWAPS and nothing else,” or as Alex Jones noted derivative based.

Tobras then described the debt crises of all the nations in the southern European hemisphere as being a nothing more short of a “scam” because as he said “it was used for years by the governments to help the insurers of these debts to issue money.” The main reason for this, underlined Tobras is because “debt today is a necessary instrument for central banks to issue capital” “You know very well that in recent years -after the 50s- the gold system ceased to exist, that means that there isn’t any  gold collateral on the money issue, so government debt was uncovered in order for central banks to issue money.” This, he said, is  “a very big scam that all the countries (worldwide) are involved in, and what happened here in Greece with the crises after 2010 when the problems started, is exactly the same game that happened in the United States with the case of Lehman Brothers and AIG.

According to him It is the same thing. "CDS on CDO’s, here we have CDS on government bonds, the game is the same, the people who create the game are one in the same, that is why we all have to revolt.”

Wrapping up the conversation, Keiser added that what Noulas and Tobras discovered was that the same tranche of debt was re-sold over and over again to the state of Greece 10,20, even 30 times with a massive load of interest each time. “European banks,” said Keiser, “own the Greek debt; however they also bought insurance on the Greek debt in the form of Credit Default Swaps that were sold to them by American banks.” American banks, he added “are trying to bleed Greece to death without an outright default, because they are playing a very high stakes global risks game and if Greece defaults then American banks are going to go under in a huge way because they own the insurance on the Greek debt.”

Some would probably think that ok… allow Greece to bleed, but the key word throughout this article is Greece was the “testing ground” for this operation, because after Greece, the same speculators will go after countries such as Spain, Great Britain and even the US. Asked by Alex Jones how all this will sum up, Tobras wittingly said that it’s not the Greek people that can decide on how to end this, nor the parliament, and this is because those in power are simply "following orders from abroad, international banks and speculators” and it will end when they decide.

I just want to note that I was at the protests as well, and had to leave after three hours, because every time the people attempted to assemble on Syntagma Square “shady” individuals would appear from no where and suddenly begin to throw stones and bricks at the riot police, provoking them in return to use tear gas. The result: It created total chaos, and a cloud of toxic, eye-stinging clouds. Tens of hundreds of people began leaving the square immediately, or ran to seek shelter under the metro, myself included. After being told that the chaos was defused, and making our way to the square once again, with the air thick in tear gas, the anarchists suddenly re-appeared sparking even more chaos, and we would run back under the metro. Others were more courageous. In order to keep people’s spirits up they began to dance to traditional Greek music, ignoring the chaos that was going on around them. On the other, others began to chase down the anarchists, and the chaos was moved to the lower area of the Square away from the actual protestors. All of a sudden a rumour began to circulate in the crowd that an anarchist was arrested and found with a police ID. This shocked everyone and made them even more determined to assemble. Nonetheless the anarchists continued their provocation and at some point the air became too unbearable and toxic so I made my way home… Everything that Keiser says in the video about the chaos in Athens to Alex Jones is absolutely true… I am a witness and victim to all of this.

[attietewd]

Thank you Dig and Jt Coyote for your posts.  I wish I could just wrap up what you say in a neat package and send it to every person I know.  I have some in my family who are "s l o w l y" waking up.  They are planting gardens and getting beans and rice and grain and heirloom seeds, stocking food etc,  but they don't know the extent of what is taking place or what has already taken place in this country.  They just learned of FEMA.  They are extremely intelligent, but this could make a Mensa member feel dumb being duped all these years. Is it possible to send the link to this thread to them and will they be able to read it and follow it without a membership? Maybe if they read first THEN they will want to be a member to learn more.  This thread is vital for waking up....it explains so much.  It will make one want to know more. Thanks again. 

[Freebird100]

"Yup, just like many other things and what they are finding out is that over 200 million will rebel and they better just get the f out of this country just like when they were kicked out of India."

Well Dig I hope you`re right.I hope Ron Paul wins the election and these criminals get what they deserve.

We shall see if humanity can beat all the technology and science they`ve created to enslave us.

[kerrymti]

I hate to say it, but that conditioned response preaching apathy to inspiration was written in Club of Rome documents decades ago. Just like we were supposed to fear a true investigation into the JFK assassination because it would "end America".

BINGO!  AMEN!  I have heard that argument before, why should we vote for RP because if he wins it will mean the 'end of the US' because the establishment (i.e. elites) will try to 'control' him by using false flags and many Americans would die and besides he would be ineffective with no backing in the House or Senate...I say this is the talk that keeps America from turning around.  If we were to get someone in the White House that had some morals and honor (like RP) it would ignite the people into forcing their reps to do what they were elected to do, represent their constituents.  Plus, isn't that why we do not negotiate with terrorists?  If you give in, they win and continue to do it.