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« on: June 16, 2011, 10:55:04 AM »

A talk that an open carry citizen had with a police officer in California and the enlightening attitude that the police officer brought to the discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS7Qr58wkU

Here is a cop for open carry and respects the individual's right not to give their own name. I wish America had more police officers like this.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2011, 04:57:05 PM »

A talk that an open carry citizen had with a police officer in California and the enlightening attitude that the police officer brought to the discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyS7Qr58wkU

Here is a cop for open carry and respects the individual's right not to give their own name. I wish America had more police officers like this.

I love the way it ended, too, but why'd he question him in the beginning? I couldn't quite make that out.
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 05:07:31 PM »



I love the way it ended, too, but why'd he question him in the beginning? I couldn't quite make that out.


It's California.  Although the law states that officers may perform a 12031(e) check at their discretion.  However, police departments tend to instruct officers incorrectly that they "must" do this... even if their justification is merely making the subjective decision that the individual looks "suspicious", regardless of actual fact.

California Penal Code 12031(e):
In order to determine whether or not a firearm is loaded for the purpose of enforcing this section [re: loaded firearm violations], peace officers are authorized to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or prohibited area of an unincorporated territory. Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to this section constitutes probable cause for arrest for violation of this section.
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 11:28:35 PM »

It's California.  Although the law states that officers may perform a 12031(e) check at their discretion.  However, police departments tend to instruct officers incorrectly that they "must" do this... even if their justification is merely making the subjective decision that the individual looks "suspicious", regardless of actual fact.

California Penal Code 12031(e):
In order to determine whether or not a firearm is loaded for the purpose of enforcing this section [re: loaded firearm violations], peace officers are authorized to examine any firearm carried by anyone on his or her person or in a vehicle while in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city or prohibited area of an unincorporated territory. Refusal to allow a peace officer to inspect a firearm pursuant to this section constitutes probable cause for arrest for violation of this section.

Okay, it sounds good, but let's put it to the test. For this situation to take place you need cops, right? Now say I don't want cops? Too bad: you've got them anyway! Now say I refuse to fund them - well the taxman just garnishees my bank account. I get mad. They put me on the street. I disappear.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 11:57:59 PM »



Okay, it sounds good, but let's put it to the test. For this situation to take place you need cops, right? Now say I don't want cops? Too bad: you've got them anyway! Now say I refuse to fund them - well the taxman just garnishees my bank account. I get mad. They put me on the street. I disappear.


And with that we see the crux of the problem, don't we?  No funding, no thugs... only those PEACE officers whom will accept a modest pay for the very honest job of keeping the PEACE... as opposed to the seemingly opposite effect they seem to have now where the thugs are charged with "earning their keep" by acting as rolling revenue agents.  Keep in mind that they are told to act the way they do to make their job easier to deal with.  Notice that it's typically the long time vets of the force that see the light and stop being douchebags, and with every generation, we're seeing tactics used within departments to remove the "old timers" earlier and earlier so the only officers left are the "bad apples".  It's not a f**king accident.

So, how do we "fight" the cops?  We don't.  How do we fight the tax man?  We don't, because that is equally pointless.  As I stated in another thread, the ONLY thing providing a lawful governing body's collection arm the ammunition to target ordinary citizens are the LIES and FRAUD committed by private sector payers.  The IRS uses only the law as its shield to do what it does, and that shield is made ironclad with evidence... and 99% of the time, that evidence is contrary to actual fact.  Who supplies this evidence?  Ignorant and frightened business owners who are too busy trying to keep their head afloat in an ever-shrinking market amongst consolidated competition to take the time to actually understand the laws which they mistakenly believe apply to them.  Just in case they get any ideas, CPA's and idiot tax attorneys who couldn't understand statutory construction if it bit them in the ass are ready and willing to dole out horrid advice.

Sure, the "system" shares plenty of blame, but to target our efforts that direction has been and forever will prove futile.  In essence, the system itself is funded by ignorance, and with that ABUNDANT source of funding, it can and will perpetuate itself until we finally start cutting off its supply.  If the People would just wake the f**k up to the fraud committed every single payday by their private sector payers, this "war on peace" would end in swift fashion.

And now for my soap-box rant a la Thomas Jefferson... though I'd imagine his words more eloquent than mine.

It's up to us, people.  No President, Prime Minister, Representative, Senator, or MP is going to bring the fraud to an end.  We must educate our brethren at all costs!  I assure you, this approach will be far cheaper than allowing the system to continue as-is at the cost of our lifelong labor, and far less than the cost of our lives should it come to blows.

If this information is to once again be ignored, then I have to ask... why now, in the hour of our suffering, do my words still fall upon the deaf ears of my apathetic brothers and sisters?  Is it not you who reap the anguish of poverty created by their lies and your acquiescence?  Why not use the one gift no man could ever take away, even in the darkest depths of servitude... your mind!  We can crush this beast with the sharing of knowledge, restoring our honor and ensuring our progeny the brightest future.




Btw, Freeski, you should know better than to mention the word "tax" when I'm paying attention Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2011, 07:11:10 PM »

Btw, Freeski, you should know better than to mention the word "tax" when I'm paying attention Tongue

I'll come clean and say I have yet to read the stuff that's linked in your signature, but it's long been on my to-do list! I studied the whole taxation subject deeply many years ago but have since concluded that none of the detail actually matters. This is an infowar about principle, not detail -- and I consider the entire body of taxation-related laws, rules and regulations to be mainly a way to suck up peoples' time so they won't look into the way the world really works.
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2011, 07:38:01 PM »

And with that we see the crux of the problem, don't we?

Indeed we do.
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