Rand Paul Calls For Jailing People Who Attend 'Radical Political Speeches'

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I couldn't believe what I was hearing  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FIhZUG8AKk


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I just invited Rand Paul to clarify his remarks on Hannity on Adam VS The Man. "But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after — they should be deported or put in prison." Imprisoned for attending a speech? He must have misspoke. I'm happy to give him the chance to say what he really meant.

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Woah there

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Wait.... does that me he wants to put congress in prison for applauding at the speech Netanyahoo gave? I'm all for that.

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Is he talking about the one giving the speech or the attendees? 

Either way, WTF?

Not to legitimize the insanity of infringements on the 1st amendment or even the listening to others' free speech, but the only ones I know who are calling for a violent overthrough of the US constitutional government is the committee of 300 and the Bilderbergers, and the only ones who attend (due to Chattam Rules) are the CFR/Aspen Institute/Club of Rome slaves who need to be grand jury investigated for open treason.
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Not to legitimize the insanity of infringements on the 1st amendment or even the listening to others' free speech, but the only ones I know who are calling for a violent overthrough of the US constitutional government is the committee of 300 and the Bilderbergers, and the only ones who attend (due to Chattam Rules) are the CFR/Aspen Institute/Club of Rome slaves who need to be grand jury investigated for open treason.

Good point.  Hopefully he will clarify what he meant.

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That was HORRIBLE!

I HOPE AJ addresses it tomorrow!

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As I understood it-- Rand Paul is speaking of foreigners who may attend any meetings and/or associate with radical clerics or religious leaders, who are calling for the VIOLENT overthrow of our government.

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But isnt that illegal already? Calling for violence and such?

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That was HORRIBLE!

I HOPE AJ addresses it tomorrow!
Amen...

I'm really curious to see what he would say.

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As I understood it-- Rand Paul is speaking of foreigners who may attend any meetings and/or associate with radical clerics or religious leaders, who are calling for the VIOLENT overthrow of our government.


I think we all know there aren't any terrorists about to overthrow our government. Any calls for restriction of free speech are worrisome IMO especially when it is already in the state it is....

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Rand needs to clarify ... I'm just curious is there another way to overthrow a government?

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Rand needs to clarify ... I'm just curious is there another way to overthrow a government?
Sending them a nice letter saying "you're overthrown, please leave your offices immediately"

Who has a few thousand extra letters and stamps? :P

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"But if someone is attending speeches from someone who is promoting the violent overthrow of our government, that’s really an offense that we should be going after

THAT is what he said. And he is correct, as that would be a violation of US law. It's at least sedition, if not treason.
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thats the CIA done for then
they are always overthrowing governments
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I think that he is talking about people like this.













None of their signs say anything about their rights, going after those who are corrupt legally Ect. These people were pissed about cartoons in a news paper.

They could be hired operatives or legit dummies, any way you slice it, They are not the same as patriots and citizens that want to restore their countries back to something good.

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I couldn't believe what I was hearing  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FIhZUG8AKk
I listened to it 3x.  So did my GF.  Rand Paul is a piece of sh*t.  This just proves that his whole "holding the floor" about having a Patriot Act debate was all dog and pony show BULLSHIT.  YOU CANNOT BE AGAINST THE PATRIOT ACT, BUT THEN BE *FOR* SAYING PEOPLE NEED TO BE DEPORTED, OR PUT IN PRISON FOR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

Is he talking about the one giving the speech or the attendees?
It's pretty damned clear he was talking about the attendees.  Squarepusher was dead on right when he said Rand Paul was a Neocon.  Also, by Rand's statements talking about "I wouldn't profile based on race or religion"--well guess what?  The New World Order isn;t either, so Rand Paul is in full agreement with IBM/DHS FAST Nazi behavorial analysis--exactly their intention from the beginning--since the NWO knew they carried out 9/11, and deliberately used the hot button emotional trigger of race/religious profiling *(only to laugh at everyone and throw it in everyone's face now by "making friends" with Muslims who were never a threat anyways.

Either way, WTF?
Once again, it's unmistakably clear what he said.  Rand Paul is a God damned scumbag for what he said in that clip. He is a supporter of the notion that there is even such a thing as Non-New World Order based terrorism that mandates the Constitution be eviscerated to allegedly protect national security.  Pretty f*cking ironic that he spent all those hours on the floor calling for a debate about the Patriot Act.

JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THAT WAS ALL STAGED AS WELL.  THE POLITICIANS ARE USING MORE DECEPTIVE TACTICS BY USING REAL PATRIOT ISSUES AND SIDING WITH THE CONSTITUTION, ONLY TO LATER COME OUT AND BACKSTAB THE LIVING F*CK OUT OF YOU.  BUNCH OF GULLIBLE MOTHERF*CKERS.  

Not to legitimize the insanity of infringements on the 1st amendment or even the listening to others' free speech, but the only ones I know who are calling for a violent overthrough of the US constitutional government is the committee of 300 and the Bilderbergers,
But Rand Paul is talking about anyone overthrowing the New World Order controlled government, because that's the EXISTING government that is in power

Rand Paul is pretending that there is such a thing as religion based motivated terrorism--he is playing right along into RAND Corporation propaganda/CATO Institute manufactured threats.

and the only ones who attend (due to Chattam Rules) are the CFR/Aspen Institute/Club of Rome slaves who need to be grand jury investigated for open treason.
It isn't their speech they need to be arrested for, it's their actions.  

P.S.  In before:  "Rand Paul was just using "well meaning hyperbole"".

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those muslim guys are given police escorts everywhere
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THAT is what he said. And he is correct, as that would be a violation of US law. It's at least sedition, if not treason.

Not only is overthrowing a corrupt government NOT treason, but it's one of the main factors for the right to bear arms in your constitution.  It's not just to defend against the British you know..

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   Lil Randy stepped into the dogshiiit.
   I was for this guy, I had a few reservations concerning him, however the fact he is Ron P's son seem to have an effect on me.
   Many will demand he was pointing the finger at the Muslim gang of finatics who were high profiled by the MSM. Problem, this could open the door to constitutional disregard. I'm not impressed with this by any FK means.
   The criminal transplants within our Gov created this entire abomination, why didn't Randy get into this. I have said in the past regarding this guy, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, there must have been a strong wind blowing.
   The constitution , bill of rights is this nation,is whats its all about. Without it we are no longer AMERICA.  
Religous finatics are in abundance on a par with psuedo patriots. Freedom of religion use to be a given, a right, not matter how insane it may seem to others. Thats clearly why there is a divison between church and state.
 
  
  
  

  
  

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I think that he is talking about people like this.

None of their signs say anything about their rights, going after those who are corrupt legally Ect. These people were pissed about cartoons in a news paper.

They could be hired operatives or legit dummies, any way you slice it, They are not the same as patriots and citizens that want to restore their countries back to something good.
Freedom of speech includes freedom to have signs like that.  And as far as this statement:  "they are not the same as patriots and citizens that want to restore their countries back to something good" --that's a non-sequitir.  The military industrial complex doesn't give a f*ck--they want 6.7+ billion under 24/7 full behavioral profiling/cybernetic micromanaged supervision and control.  Those sign holders have the unalienable right to be secure in their persons, papers and effects just like every other human being on this planet.  Rand Paul would support DHS's Nazi FAST behavioral analysis system based on what he has said in that audio clip.  You see, anyone that cites the particular buzzwords "I don't believe in racial, ethnic, or religious profiling", but then says that WHERE YOU HAVE TRAVELED GEOGRAPHICALLY, and what so-called "radical religious leader meeting you attended" needs to be tracked, is supporting the New World Order's agenda.

  Lil Randy stepped into the dogshiiit.
   I was for this guy, I had a few reservations concerning him, however the fact he is Ron P's son seem to have an effect on me.
   Many will demand he was pointing the finger at the Muslim gang of finatics who were high profiled by the MSM. Problem, this could open the door to constitutional disregard. I'm not impressed with this by any FK means.
   The criminal transplants within our Gov created this entire abomination, why didn't Randy get into this. I have said in the past regarding this guy, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, there must have been a strong wind blowing.
   The constitution , bill of rights is this nation,is whats its all about. Without it we are no longer AMERICA.  
Religous finatics are in abundance on a par with psuedo patriots. Freedom of religion use to be a given, a right, not matter how insane it may seem to others. Thats clearly why there is a divison between church and state.
Great comments.  I hope more people will wake up and stop having a baby thumb sucking mentality trying to rationalize their lemming behavior following politicians that nonetheless end up siding with the military industrial intelligence academia complex's intentions.

As I understood it-- Rand Paul is speaking of foreigners
No he isn't, he never mentioned foreigners.

who may attend any meetings and/or associate with radical clerics or religious leaders, who are calling for the VIOLENT overthrow of our government.
You're talking about manufactured threats, since there are NO REAL such threats by Non-New World Order individuals or groups:
Catastrophic Terrorism: Elements of a National Policy
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=110162.msg679078#msg679078

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The problem is what Rand Paul said is too subjective.  Who is "someone" he is talking about? How can one know they are trying to "overthrow the government" ??  How can he presume to know that if one is attending these "speeches" that they are automatically guilty and should be deported?

His comments are too general and too subjective and opens a huge can of worms.

But in all fairness I hope he is given a chance to explain.  We only heard a few sentences in the youtube here. To be fair, we need to hear the whole thing in context although I will say this doesn't look good.

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I think you guys ought to listen to the entire interview instead of listening to a snippet of the interview.  The snippet of the interview is certainly disingenuous and does appear that Rand Paul is willing to profile Americans.

http://www.ronpaul2012podcast.com/2011/05/26/sen-rand-paul-on-sean-hannity-show-5262011/


Rand's comments were in context with what Harry Reid said during the Re-authorization of the Patriot Act, about the Ft. Hood shooting...  (8:00 mark)


I think once you listen to it, you will understand, in the context, why Rand made those comments.
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Freedom of speech includes freedom to have signs like that.  And as far as this statement:  "they are not the same as patriots and citizens that want to restore their countries back to something good" --that's a non-sequitir.  The military industrial complex doesn't give a f*ck--they want 6.7+ billion under 24/7 full behavioral profiling/cybernetic micromanaged supervision and control.  Those sign holders have the unalienable right to be secure in their persons, papers and effects just like every other human being on this planet.  Rand Paul would support DHS's Nazi FAST behavioral analysis system based on what he has said in that audio clip.  You see, anyone that cites the particular buzzwords "I don't believe in racial, ethnic, or religious profiling", but then says that WHERE YOU HAVE TRAVELED GEOGRAPHICALLY, and what so-called "radical religious leader meeting you attended" needs to be tracked, is supporting the New World Order's agenda.


I believe Rand Paul needs to clarify his statement.


These people have a right to say and write anything they want but they don't get any symapthy from me.
How is this non-sequitir?  

 End the Fed! versus  Exterminate (Murder) those who insult Islam.
Arrest the banksters!  versus  Behead (Murder)those who insult Islam
Restore the constitution vesus Slay those who insult Islam
9/11 was an inside job   versus Europe you will pay. YOur 9/11 is on it's way!!
Stop endless war the Military industrial complex is evil   versus Be prepared for the real Holocaust!
People unite and throw the bums out! Versus Europe you will pay Demolition is on its way!



Its good people that want to get their country back versus idiots that talk about murdering people and hint that terror attacks might occur.

The Feds want to muzzle the meesage of the patriots. MI6 wants these idiots to keep talking and protesting so they can use be duped and used as patzies. The same idiots that drive a car filled with propane tanks up to an airport entrance. Further feeding the sterotype and fearmongering by the government and nothing to show for but prison time and 3rd degree burns. If its anyone that needs to be investigated it's people who talk about murdering people. Whether it be people at a rallys incouraging killing people, or people like Bill Gates talking about reducing the population through vaccines and actually funding vaccine companies. Threats should be investigated through legal and lawful means. Investigated does not mean arrested. That also means that the investigators might find out that the subject is being controlled by the pentagon.


Another example.


Ayatollah Mohammad Taghi Mesbah, considered one of the Islamic Republic's most radical clerics, issued a religious edict on his website whereby suicide attacks are not only legitimate but are a must for every Muslim, a special paper by the Middle East Media Research Institute shows.

It's people like this that give Islam a bad name. Now I don't know if this is 100% and if ynetnews.com is lying but if true This guy is toxic and gives people like Netanyahu and John McCain fuel and further justifies their reasons for increased security.

It's idiots like this guy that believe that muslims alone carried out 9/11 and encourages more of his own people to ruin their lives. Instead of playing right into the globalists hands they need to wake up and expose what the globalists have done and are doing.

 I hear what you are saying I just think that Rand is aware of people like this but he needs to quickly clarify what he meant. I'm sure that he will soon or within that next 0-6 months if he gets back on Alex's show.

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I think you guys ought to listen to the entire interview instead of listening to a snippet of the interview.  The snippet of the interview is certainly disingenuous and does appear that Rand Paul is willing to profile Americans.

http://www.ronpaul2012podcast.com/2011/05/26/sen-rand-paul-on-sean-hannity-show-5262011/


Rand's comments were in context with what Harry Reid said during the Re-authorization of the Patriot Act, about the Ft. Hood shooting...  (8:00 mark)


I think once you listen to it, you will understand, in the context, why Rand made those comments.

"Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." ~ Rod Serling
"Cops today are nothing but an armed tax collector" ~ Frank Serpico
"To be normal, to drink Coca-Cola and eat Kentucky Fried Chicken is to be in a conspiracy against yourself."
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I can only hope and pray he didn't mean it the way it sounded.

 If he stands behind his comment we are further along the path to destruction than I suspected, and that is truly frightening.

It is that ability, the Right to speak your mind which was the seed(s) for the birth of this nation. Soon our ability to even speak to our neighbors will be made a crime, and only those with the resolve to spread the truth will stand tall.

Politics has always been a Radically debated subject, to take the veracity out of it would be like removing the fangs from a rattlesnake and still calling it deadly.

 No matter the outcome of this or any other subject of importance to us we must never acquiesce to tyranny, injustice, or immoral laws and edicts.
To do so will seal the fate of millions of those yet unborn, dooming them to a fate worse than slavery.
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Excellent points, Donnay.

We all know how easy it is
for the media to take statements out of context.

Remember,
SOMEBODY selected just this statement to be heard on the net.

Who might have it in for this guy or HIS FATHER ?
(guilt by association  is an effective propaganda ploy )

Please, let us all hear him out.

And next time you are on the phone,
be aware of what you say,
and what might happen
if those statements were used in a similar manner
to set you up.

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Not only is overthrowing a corrupt government NOT treason, but it's one of the main factors for the right to bear arms in your constitution.  It's not just to defend against the British you know..

The British? ::) And that shows how little you know about US law regarding sedition and treason.

If you want to know what to do when the government no longer works and needs changing by "We the people", then read the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence.

Dictators "overthrow" governments. Citizens change their government officials and have new officials correct previous errors in government.

You cannot go around enciting violent overthrow of a government, which by the way IS against US law, just because you don't like the government. There are other ways of making changes to what isn't working.

And no, the MAIN reason for the right to bear arms has to do with the citizenry protecting itself against tyrannical violence from the government or anybody that would do you harm. It's a defensive measure, not offensive.
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yeah don't let my bumper sticker fool you i don't like any politicians either. but rand specifically says the *violent* overthrow. which this forum bans talking about as well....
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It would appear Rand is utterly clueless about how intelligence operatives from the CIA and FBI routinely orchestrate the sort of "radical political speeches" he presumes to protect us from, otherwise he'd calling for these operatives to be jailed first and foremost.

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“Remember, take a look in Obama: The Postmodern Coup at the entire chapter that’s devoted to ‘swarming adolescents’ [and] ‘rebellious hysteria’ -- the distinguished article by Jonathan Mowat -- about how the color revolutions are now organized. This is based on CIA practice in the Philippines against Marcos in the 1980s; what went on in Iran in the late 70s against the Shah, in bringing in the other regime that we see now; and the thing that was then prolonged into the Belgrade overthrow of Milosevic in 2000/2001; and the Kiev Orange Revolution that put Yushchenko and that gang into power; the NATO agents and IMF agents, the Roses Revolution in Tblisi, Georgia that put in the madman Saakashvili, the warmonger; the attempted Cedars Revolution in Lebanon, and so on and so forth around the world, using demagogic leaders, slogans, branding; Tea Party [is] obviously one of them, all these costumes, the 18th-century costumes, ‘don’t tread on me,’ -- these are all essentially the applications of the same method….It’s also the case of Obama. The Obama campaign of ‘07/’08 was exactly the same thing; it was an astroturfing method that took the existing militants and the existing activists of the anti-Bush/anti-Cheney impeachment movement, which was reaching down deep into the middle class, the anti-war movement and other popular movements, and recycled them into dupes and useful idiots for Obama -- and then threw them away."
 
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/150207_b_Neo-Nazi.htm

Neo-Nazi rally was organized by FBI informant

Henry Pierson Curtis
Orlando Sentinal
February 15, 2007  

A paid FBI informant was the man behind a neo-Nazi march through the streets of Parramore that stirred up anxiety in Orlando's black community and fears of racial unrest that triggered a major police mobilization.

That revelation came Wednesday in an unrelated federal court hearing and has prompted outrage from black leaders, some of whom demanded an investigation into whether the February 2006 march was, itself, an event staged by law-enforcement agencies.

[Continued...]


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/031007_seven_retards.htm

Seven Retards Return For War On Terror Show Trial
FBI provocateurs tried to get "dipshits in a warehouse" to blow up Sears Tower

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
October 3, 2007
 
The prosecution's argument that "seven men plotted to bring down the U.S. government by poisoning saltshakers and bombing landmark buildings" in the trial of the "Liberty City Seven" underscores the ludicrous pretense of the "war on terror" and the callous obedience with which the media unquestionably report this farce.

Let's go over a brief refresher course on the details of the alleged plot to blow up Chicago's Sears Tower.

Seven semi-retarded pot smoking wannabe gang member rastafarians in a warehouse are approached by two FBI agents posing as Al-Qaeda terrorists and promised $50,000 if they start talking about waging a "holy war" in America.

One of the plots the ringleader dreams up, in his infinite wisdom, is to march to the White House, knock on the door, and announce "here I am."

The gang decide to go along with the agents in a bid to con them out of the money before disappearing, at which point the announcement that a "plot to overthrow the government" has been averted is saturated across the media as another sterling reason why the war on terror is so necessary.

After the true capability of the retards becomes the butt of a national joke (John Stewart labeled them "seven dipshits in a warehouse"), the Feds have to admit that the plot was "aspirational rather than operational," and posed no real threat because they had neither al Qaeda contacts nor means of carrying out attacks," as reported today by Reuters.

"Defense lawyers said the charges were "nonsense" scripted by the government and orchestrated by paid FBI informants they called Conman No. 1 and Conman No. 2," the report continues.

In almost every single major terror bust or sting that we have covered, the individuals providing the rhetoric, the means and money to actually foment and carry out a terrorist plot have been government informants and provocateurs.

[Continued...]


http://www.prisonplanet.com/exactly-as-we-predicted-deadly-ny-terror-cell-are-semi-retarded-potheads.html

Exactly As We Predicted; Deadly NY Terror Cell Are Semi-Retarded Potheads

As in ever other major case, terror group hyped by media turn out to be low IQ bums radicalized by federal provocateurs

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
May 22, 2009

Exactly as we predicted in our headline story yesterday, two of the ringleaders in the “deadly” New York terror plot salaciously hyped by the media and government officials have turned out to be semi-retarded potheads.

“The men will likely turn out to be semi-retarded dropouts,” we stated in our article yesterday, basing our forecast on the fact that in every other major terror sting in the west given so much prominence by officials and the corporate media, the poor suckers rounded up by the feds always turn out to be low IQ petty criminals down on their luck, provocateured and armed by federal agents.

We already knew that the men were provided with an inert rocket launcher and fake C4 explosives by an FBI informant, and now as more details emerge, our original summation of the case is proving accurate.

According to an Associated Press report, the four men charged with planning to blow up synagogues and military planes, “Were amateurs every step of the way. They had trouble finding guns and bought cameras at Wal-Mart to photograph their targets. One was a convicted purse snatcher, another smoked marijuana the day the plot was to be carried out.”

The report continues,”Relatives said the defendants were down-on-their-luck men who worked at places like Wal-Mart, a landscaping company and a warehouse when they weren’t behind bars. Payen’s lawyer said he was “intellectually challenged” and on medication for schizophrenia. Marilyn Reader said he has “a very low borderline” IQ.”

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/hal-turner-a-trained-fbi-agent-provocateur.html

Hal Turner a Trained FBI Agent Provocateur

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
August 18, 2009

Radio talk show host and blogger Hal Turner was an FBI trained agent provocateur, his attorney told reporters in Hartford today. The supposed white supremacist worked for the agency from 2002 until 2007. “His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest,” Michael Orozco told the Associated Press.

Earlier this year Turner told his blog readers to “take up arms” against Connecticut lawmakers. He also said government officials should “obey the Constitution or die.” In June he wrote that the Illinois federal appeals judges “deserve to be killed” because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. Turner included photos of the judges and the room numbers of their chambers at the courthouse.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/as-predicted-fbi-agent-discovered-at-center-of-alleged-hutaree-conspiracy.html

As Predicted, FBI Agent Discovered at Center of Alleged Hutaree Conspiracy

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
March 31, 2010

On Monday we asked you to count the hours before links to the feds emerged on this one – turns out it was 48.

The FBI had an informant inside the Hutaree group and he participated in the alleged conspiracy to kill law enforcement officers, according to The Wall Street Journal today.

In sworn testimony, Thomas William Piatek is described as a Cooperating Witness and an undercover FBI agent.



Thomas William Piatek is pictured at the bottom right. It is interesting to note that, unlike the other suspects, he appears not to be wearing a jail uniform.

“A spokesperson at the FBI’s Detroit office declined to comment on the undercover agent and any role such an agent may have had in the investigation. A spokesman at the Justice Department in Washington also declined to discuss specifics of the investigation,” the Journal reports.

It is not surprising that the FBI had penetrated the Hutaree group and an agent was apparently at the center of the alleged conspiracy. In fact, it is part of a well established pattern.

On March 20, Infowars.com reported on allegations that a federal agent acted as a provocateur in the New York synagogue bombing conspiracy case. Defense attorneys in the case argued in court that the plot was hatched and directed by a federal informant.

“They said the informant badgered the defendants until they got involved in the plot,” NBC New York reported. “They said the informant chose the targets, supplied fake bombs for the synagogues and a fake missile to shoot down planes. The motion said he also offered to pay the defendants, who attorneys alleged weren’t inclined toward any crime until the informant began recruiting them.”

“This whole operation was a foolish waste of time and money,” Terence Kindlon, a defense lawyer who represented a client in the New York synagogue case, told the Times Online. “It is almost as if the FBI cooked up the plot and found four idiots to install as defendants.”

Defendants in the New Jersey Fort Dix Army terror case painted a similar picture. “The only terrorist conspiracy was one planted and nurtured by the informant,” declared defense attorney Rocco Cip during the trial. The FBI’s role in the case was admitted by a provocateur. “The FBI informant paid to infiltrate a band of suspected terrorists in South Jersey said yesterday that he offered to organize their attack on U.S. soldiers, but only because he wanted to build trust and find out more about the group,” the Star-Ledger reported on November 11, 2008.

In Miami, the FBI case against the so-called Miami Seven came apart at the seams when it was discovered a government provocateur provided money, video cameras for conducting surveillance, cellphones, and suggested that the patsies target the Miami FBI office.

In 2009, it was discovered that supposed white supremacist and radio talk show host Hal Turner was a National Security Intelligence asset, a fact admitted by the third highest ranking FBI official in New York City. During a second trial held this year, Turner described how he was recruited in 2003 by the FBI’s Newark-based Joint Terrorism Task Force. He said he was paid “in excess of $100,000” by the FBI during his almost five years as an informant.

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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/121206falseflag.htm

False Flag Terror Of The New World Order
Methods used to facilitate staged attacks

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
December 12, 2006

The fact that states, intelligence and security agencies engage in false flag staged terror to further political agendas is documented throughout history, but it's too naive to simply characterize every act as an "inside job." Different methods are utilized to facilitate attacks using three different basic templates.

1) Unwitting Dupes

In this case, role players are used to test "security responses" by being told they are part of an exercise for a dummy terrorist attack, an operation that will help the state prevent similar attacks in future. The controllers tell the unwitting dupes that no harm will come to them and that their help will be greatly rewarded.

- London Bombings

The 7/7 bombings are a prime example of the unwitting dupes method. Mohammed Siddique Khan, the alleged ringleader of the 7/7 London bombings, was working for British intelligence agency MI5 as an informant at the time of the attacks. Family and friends described the accused bombers as friendly, westernized and having no interest in politics. Metropolitan police career experts in criminal psychology concluded that the bombers' behavior clearly indicated they did not know they were about to die. In an impossible coincidence, the attack paralleled a security drill that targeted the exact same locations at the exact same time. This is a clear example of where unwitting dupes were told that the operation was a security test and yet were strapped with real bombs and a real attack took place.

2) Provocateurs & Patsies

This is by far the most used method. In this case, radicals with past ties to terrorist groups are hired as informants to infiltrate mainly Islamic political groups and encourage them to carry out acts of terror. In almost every case, the materials required to carry out the attack are directly provided by intelligence agencies or via the hired provocateur. Agent provocateurs also take the guise of undercover government agents, who radicalize otherwise harmless groups over a long period of time and provide financial and material support and safe passage for the group to carry out the attack.

- 1993 WTC Bombing

The first World Trade Center bombing was provocateured by the government. In 1993 the FBI planted their informant, Emad A. Salem, within a radical Arab group in New York led by Ramzi Yousef. Salem was ordered to encourage the group to carry out a bombing targeting the World Trade Center's twin towers. Under the illusion that the project was a sting operation, Salem asked the FBI for harmless dummy explosives which he would use to assemble the bomb and then pass on to the group. At this point the FBI cut Salem out of the loop and provided the group with real explosives, leading to the attack on February 26 that killed six and injured over a thousand. The FBI's failure to prevent the bombing was reported on by the New York Times in October 1993.

3) Complete Complicity

Acts of complete complicity, where the state controls and dictates the attack every step of the way, are only used for major bellwether terrorist atrocities with clearly defined and planned outcomes. Pre-arranged patsies are set-up to take the fall for the attack, but they play very little or no role whatsoever in actually carrying out the attack. 9/11 is the obvious example, but another major case where this method was first used dates back to the 1950's.

- Bombing Campaign Against Mossadegh's Iran

Kermit Roosevelt admitted on NPR radio that in 1953 the CIA and British intelligence carried out a wave of bombings and shootings in Iran to overthrow the democratically elected Premier following Mossadegh's declaration that he would nationalize foreign oil holdings. He then went on to brag about how they subsequently blamed the bombings on Mossadegh himself. The CIA's own account of the overthrow, reported on by the New York Times in April 2000, states that the agency "directed a campaign of bombings" as part of the coup d’état.

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As I understood it-- Rand Paul is speaking of foreigners who may attend any meetings and/or associate with radical clerics or religious leaders, who are calling for the VIOLENT overthrow of our government.



We don't imprison people over words. We imprison people over actions. Actions proved beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. Yes, I know, naive optimism.
But there is a transitive property to what Sn. Rand Paul stated. According to his statement the Founding Fathers would have been imprisoned. I think this is a case of foot inserting into mouth.
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I think that he is talking about people like this.

*snipped pictures for server load*

None of their signs say anything about their rights, going after those who are corrupt legally Ect. These people were pissed about cartoons in a news paper.

They could be hired operatives or legit dummies, any way you slice it, They are not the same as patriots and citizens that want to restore their countries back to something good.

Those angry idiots had better hope that it just stays all talk. Europe as a whole has a real nasty record for how it deals with outsiders it considers a threat. And the Socialist governments who shielded these people are fading fast. Of course, all those protesters were from the UK. And MI5 loves them some civil instability.
Think of those swarthy morons as the same kind of idiots we have hear, the MSNBC or FAUX NEWS emotionally driven, intellectually deprived, television inspired, easily led, willfully ignorant citizenry (aka the 20% hardcore of the red vs blue team sport).
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We don't imprison people over words. We imprison people over actions. Actions proved beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. Yes, I know, naive optimism.
But there is a transitive property to what Sn. Rand Paul stated. According to his statement the Founding Fathers would have been imprisoned. I think this is a case of foot inserting into mouth.

Again, most of that small snippet of Rand Paul saying is out of context he was responding to the arguments Harry Reid presented at the Re-authorization of the Patriot Act being filibustered by Rand. Listen to the whole interview--he was responding to the Ft. Hood shooter, in general.

As I stated above:

I think you guys ought to listen to the entire interview instead of listening to a snippet of the interview.  The snippet of the interview is certainly disingenuous and does appear that Rand Paul is willing to profile Americans.

http://www.ronpaul2012podcast.com/2011/05/26/sen-rand-paul-on-sean-hannity-show-5262011/


Rand's comments were in context with what Harry Reid said during the Re-authorization of the Patriot Act, about the Ft. Hood shooting...  (8:00 mark)


I think once you listen to it, you will understand, in the context, why Rand made those comments.
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Excellent points, Donnay.
She didn't make any excellent points, she didn't even make good ones--she made comments that are indicative of someone lacks discernment, and or comprehension skills.  The ten minute segment starting at the beginning lays out "the full context", (everything after the 10:35 mark is 1000% irrelevant because the subject changes completely) and guess what?  After listening to it, it is far more damning that just the short clip posted on youtube.  Yeah, Rand Paul says some good, basic things that every American should already be aware of otherwise they are just idiots--but he also holds some VERY F*CKED UP positions as well which fully support what the New World Order wants and is implementing.

We all know how easy it is
for the media to take statements out of context.
Remember,
SOMEBODY selected just this statement to be heard on the net.
BUT, BUT, BUT--WAIT A MINUTE, SHE POSTED THIS, AND SOMEONE (ME) GAVE DONNAY THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT:

I think you guys ought to listen to the entire interview instead of listening to a snippet of the interview.  The snippet of the interview is certainly disingenuous and does appear that Rand Paul is willing to profile Americans.

http://www.ronpaul2012podcast.com/2011/05/26/sen-rand-paul-on-sean-hannity-show-5262011/


Rand's comments were in context with what Harry Reid said during the Re-authorization of the Patriot Act, about the Ft. Hood shooting...  (8:00 mark)


I think once you listen to it, you will understand, in the context, why Rand made those comments.
And I did, and everything I said was not only reaffirmed, but the grave seriousness that I already saw became monumentally more disturbing.  What you posted in what you thought would be a defense, and a rebuttal against what is revealed here, only puts the final nails in the coffin to the facts that I stated, and decimates your entire "understanding"--revealing it to be flat out incorrect.  You can choose to live your life believing lies all you want, but if you try to shove them down people's throats, I will rebuke you with hardcore truth.

Please, let us all hear him out.

"And here's the interesting thing about it.  The Ft. hood shooting occurred with the patriot act, and so you have to ask yourself, how did we fail?  And for example, I would say the reason we failed in Ft. Hood is people who were mentioning that this man was either unstable, or was radicalized to a radical form of Islam--people knew that, and that's why we need to target our resources towards people who would attack us, and not spend time searching and patting down 6 year olds."
- Rand Paul

DON'T YOU F*CKING GET IT YET?  THIS IS THE EXACT JUSTIFICATION THAT THE DOD USED TO SAY THEY NEEDED BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS, TO JUSTIFY SPYING ON YOU ON THE INTERNET AND TRACK ALL WEBSITES YOU VISIT, BECAUSE HUMANS CAN'T DO A GOOD ENOUGH JOB THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED BY CYBERNETIC AUTONOMOUS ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE SYSTEMS.

THE FT. HOOD SHOOTER WAS A PATSY, THE ENTIRE ASSASSINATION WAS A FALSE FLAG ATTACK--THAT'S BEEN PROVEN HERE ON THIS SITE.  THE FT. HOOD SHOOTER USED TO WORK FOR THE ILLEGAL DHS.
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"And here's the interesting thing about it.  The Ft. hood shooting occurred with the patriot act, and so you have to ask yourself, how did we fail?  And for example, I would say the reason we failed in Ft. Hood is people who were mentioning that this man was either unstable, or was radicalized to a radical form of Islam--people knew that, and that's why we need to target our resources towards people who would attack us, and not spend time searching and patting down 6 year olds."
- Rand Paul

Remember what one of the excuses was for the 9/11 attacks?

In reference to the DoD intelligence agencies:  "Their computers couldn't talk to each other."  "It was an intelligence failure."

Both complete proven lies, when any vulnerabilities were intentional and deliberate, and were ENABLED by interoperability, not from a lack of it.  And that excuse was used for EVEN more interoperability amongst the bankers terrorist military industrial complex.

With the Ft. Hood false flag however, a new paradigm emerges that has never existed before.

Now it is TOTAL interoperability with STATE AND LOCAL "law enforcement", beyond what currenty exists in their unconstitutional, illegal fusion centers.

When you read this insane article, you will have a very clear picture into one of the largest agendas that ALL of their false flags are carried out for to have the excuse to push for such completely insane conversion of civilian life into a total militarized society that will make the East German Stasi look like a 5 star hotel vacation.

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http://gcn.com/Articles/2010/08/24/DOD-To-Increase-Data-Sharing-To-Protect-Personnel-and-Facilities.aspx?Page=1
Gates orders increased data sharing to protect military families

Shootings at Fort Hood inspire policy change

By Henry Kenyon
Aug 24, 2010

In a bid to prevent attacks on military bases, such as last November’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered a coordinated cyberspace counterintelligence policy to better identify military personnel who may pose a threat.

Scheduled to go into effect this month, the policy was based on recommendations made by an independent review panel that studied the shooting. Led by Togo West Jr., who headed the Veterans Affairs Department during the Clinton administration, the panel determined that security on military bases was weakened because the services do not have access to the National Crime Information Center or the Terrorist Threat Screening Database.

The policy memo noted that the services have launched projects to screen personnel who appear on law enforcement databases on NCIC and the TTSD. Gates also endorsed using the Law Enforcement National Data Exchange, and adopting the FBI’s eGuardian terrorist threat reporting system to share information on suspected terrorist threats with civilian agencies and state and local law enforcement.

Among the initiatives outlined in the memo, programs will be launched to provide commanders and supervisors with access to appropriate information in personnel records, improve information sharing with partner agencies and among installations, and expand facility emergency response capabilities.

Gates has directed that the current Naval Criminal Investigative Service system will be the basis for establishing the consolidated Law Enforcement Defense Data Exchange. Each of the Defense Department’s 13 law enforcement agencies are participating in developing D-DEx, which is scheduled for department-wide deployment in the 2011 fiscal year.

The independent review recommended that DOD require military departments and defense agencies to establish formal information sharing agreements with allied and partner agencies; federal, state, and local law enforcement; and criminal investigation agencies. These agreements must have clearly established standards regarding their scope and timelines. Based on the review’s recommendations, Gates indicated that by September 2011, a lead agency will be appointed to develop DOD guidance for creating formal agreements with other federal, state and local organizations.

Another recommendation being acted upon is the adoption of a common force protection threat reporting system and the appointment of a single executive agent to oversee and manage it. The Gates memo stated that overseeing organization responsible for implementing Defensewide use of the eGuardian system will be in place by this November.

Force protection also remains a challenge. The review found that there were no force protection processes or procedures to share unclassified real- time event data between commands, installations, and force components. The memorandum calls for laying the foundation to enable real-time information sharing for force protection. The Joint Staff is directed to evaluate the current incident reporting system used by the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and update the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Manual no later than April 2011.

By January 2011 the services must have all their organizations trained in NMCC reporting systems and by April 2011, the combatant commands must have an unclassified method to notify all DOD facilities within their areas of responsibility of a change in force protection status.

To ensure information-sharing capabilities for access control to installations, the memo instructs the services to accelerate implementing automated access control capabilities to facilitate the authentication of personnel. Areas of acceleration include improving enterprise architecture and technologies associated with the Physical Access Control System, improved access to law enforcement data bases such as the NCIC or TSDB, and capabilities to permit information sharing across the DOD.


A current study of existing physical access control system capabilities and limitations, and a related joint Justice Department and DOD NCIC access test, will be completed by January 2011. The Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence will then evaluate and update physical security policies by December 2011.

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 I have heard that Rand P :"According to his campaign website, Rand Paul is in favor of a balanced budget, for the war in Afghanistan..."
 I don't have the time today to chase this, does anyone have the goods on this, is it BS or truth?


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Effie, when people here disagree with you please do us all a huge favor and try not to prove anything with HUGE WORDS
That really does not help make your point and in the long run will only get people to ignore what you say.  I am not saying anything bad about what you said, just how you placed it.  Just make your points and let them make theirs .  We will all love ya for something as simple as that. ;D
If they disagree in this thread, their disagreement is based on emotions, or false hope, not facts.  Donnay used big red letters also, but in a laughable way--quoting something she already posted earlier in the thread, as if re-quoting a desperate plea to get people to listen to the audio would convince everyone of what her understanding interprets for her for her version of reality.  Btw the 20 point text words were Rand Paul's own statements, so go ahead and ignore the actual source in your quest for the truth.  I get pissed off because it is because of people that don't understand the truth that is facilitating the entire country going to hell and all of us losing our rights --because most people are too stupid to understand the NWO sufficiently to even know WHAT they should be opposed to.  By the same token then Alex Jones should never get pissed off, because if he does then no one should take him seriously either right?  I've listened to him when he's yelled at the top of his lungs, and I am actually objective and mature enough to be able to still pay attention to people who do that, without writing them off on the sheer basis that they were loud and boisterous.

People should start demanding that their candidates call out and expose false flag terrorism carried out by those who call themselves the U.S. Government.  If they can't do that then they have no business running for office, or being in office.  You cannot be against the New World Order and support even ONE of the New World Order's agendas, or ignore or be oblivious to their agendas, and claim to be pro-Constitutional.  If you're a govt. official that willfully engages in even 1% lies and propaganda, then you are a scumbag that shouldn't expect anyone to respect a damned thing you say.

**Tarpley exposes the Fort Hood false flag**
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=144372.msg872513#msg872513

Btw, here's the military industrial academia intelligence complex's "answer" to not profiling based on religion or race:

Future Attribute Screening Technology (FAST) Nazi PreCrime insanity tested in US
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=209397.msg1252289#msg1252289