New Bin Laden Video proves that the entire "assassination" was fantasyland!

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Re: New Bin Laden Video Watching Himself. Looks Nothing Like Him!
« Reply #80 on: May 09, 2011, 02:46:18 AM »
I know this vid is complete nonsense, and over the top with blatant bullshit, but the left handed argument isn't really proof of anything.

Lefties live in a right hand world. They have to adapt and are more inclined toward ambidexterity than righties. I am a lefty by nature, but I can play sports, hand write perfectly (albeit slower), and use the TV remote ( as I do normally ) with my right hand. Hell, at this very moment I'm using a mouse intended for righties.

That's true -- but I can't really make out that is bin laden in the video to begin with can you? It's all circumstantial evidence based on the narrative of a pathological liar running for the presidency. If he's going to produce evidence -- make it good enough to dispel any doubt. This video just adds to the question list --

Here you have the most wanted man in the world #1 on all terrorists lists for the last 10 years - he's standing unarmed with out any weapons, everyone in the world wants to hear what this guy has to say (except our the US Government) and they shoot him and bury him at sea as quickly as possible? I mean if they actually believe that torture gets good information - don't you want to take him alive and get more intel?

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True, some lefties are ambidextrious. IMO, the remote being in his right hand is just an observation, and doesn't really prove much.

However, the bigger picture is that this guy doesn't even look like Bin Laden, and is probably just more propaganda put out by the CIA, or some other UNINTELLIGENT group! The focus is really on how these guys lie to the public.

The whole bin laden is dead for the 9th time story is very hard to believe, and top that off with them throwing the body into the sea rather than capturing him (therefore NO evidence this really happened), and not releasing the pictures (more evidence not being released), and changing the story (shows they are lying, IMO) they told from day one of the pronouncement  up to today. NONE OF IT RINGS TRUE! So, all we can think is that this is being used for some other purpose (EX: trying to make Obama look like a hero so he can get reelected).

Looks like Obama is digging his hole even deeper, as the lies keep flowing and get bigger each time. Sorry, but a LIAR IN CHIEF is not what the people voted for when they voted for Obama, and it's highly unbecoming for someone who calls himself a President and a Leader. Shameful!

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Analysis – Latest “Bin Laden Video” not of Bin Laden?
http://www.openyoureyesnews.com/2011/05/09/analysis-latest-bin-laden-video-not-of-bin-laden/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5sBiezGPMQ&feature=player_embedded

Now compare the image of the old man on the screen with with that of Bin Laden pre-9/11.



Ears are as unique as fingerprints, and they do not change with time. The ears do not seem to match (and the noses are also different). In addition bin Laden was left handed and the man in the video uses his right hand to operate the TV remote control.
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The ears do not seem to match (and the noses are also different). In addition bin Laden was left handed and the man in the video uses his right hand to operate the TV remote control.

Looking at the pix with a magnifier the eyebrows do not match either.

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so it says theyre going to blow up the supposed osama compound, must be desperate to get rid of any evidence that it was fake osama death.

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so it says theyre going to blow up the supposed osama compound, must be desperate to get rid of any evidence that it was fake osama death.


Exactly like the WTC cleanup!

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Not only the shape of the ear is different, but it also appears that the old man's ears sticks out further from his head whereas Osama's ear lies more flat against his head.
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That comparison is rather obvious. The one on the left is not the same person on the right it seems. Has this "new" video footage shown the one on the left his face at all? So the only angle is from the back left?

Yep, again more questions than answers.
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In your opinion was the fake Osama given plastic surgery, or prosthetics/makeup?  He definitely looks different, yet similar.

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It's known that there has been stand-ins for bin Laden. Lots of dictators have done it too. Hussien did it, was known for doing it. So no, I don't see any need for any surgery. That's movie stuff.
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It's known that there has been stand-ins for bin Laden. Lots of dictators have done it too. Hussien did it, was known for doing it. So no, I don't see any need for any surgery. That's movie stuff.
Yeah Hussein had several body doubles that looked almost exactly the same. It took a lot of analysis to tell them apart, which is why I think this whole Osama thing is a PSYOP. It is way too obvious that it is not him...

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I believe this has been asked but I didn't see a reply - Did they ever mention anything about his dialysis machine or possibly trips to the local hospital?

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Do the local hospitals even have a dialysis system in place?

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10 Facts That Prove The Bin Laden Fable Is a Contrived Hoax
Every indication clearly points to last Sunday’s raid being a manufactured ploy to return Americans to a state of post-9/11 intellectual castration
http://www.prisonplanet.com/10-facts-that-prove-the-bin-laden-fable-is-a-contrived-hoax.html
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Merely a week after President Obama announced the death of Osama Bin Laden, there is literally a deluge of evidence that clearly indicates the whole episode has been manufactured for political gain and to return Americans to a state of post-9/11 intellectual castration so that they can be easily manipulated in the run up to the 2012 election. Here are ten facts that prove the Bin Laden fable is a contrived hoax….

1) Before last Sunday’s raid, every intelligence analyst, geopolitical commentator or head of state worth their salt was on record as stating that Osama Bin Laden was already dead, and that he probably died many years ago, from veteran CIA officer Robert Baer, to former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto, to former FBI head of counterterrorism Dale Watson. In addition, back in 2002 Alex Jones was told directly by two separate high level sources that Bin Laden was already dead and that his death would be announced at the most politically opportune moment. Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under five different Presidents, serving as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under the Nixon, Ford and Carter, told the Alex Jones Show last week that Bin Laden died of marfan syndrome shortly after he was visited by CIA physicians at the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001.

2) The official narrative of how the raid unfolded completely collapsed within days of its announcement. First there had been a 40 minute shootout, then there was no shootout and just one man was armed, first Bin Laden was armed then he was not, first Bin Laden used his wife as a human shield and then he did not. First the compound was described as a “$1 million dollar mansion” then it turned out to be a rubbish-strewn dilapidated compound that was worth less than a quarter of that. Almost every single aspect of the official narrative has changed since Obama first described the raid last Sunday as the White House struggles to keep its story straight.

3) The alleged body of Bin Laden was hastily dumped in the sea to prevent any proper procedure of identification. The White House claimed this was in accordance with normal Islamic burial rituals, however numerous Muslim scholars all over the globe disputed this claim, pointing out that Muslims can only be buried at sea if they die at sea. While the White House claimed that Bin Laden’s death on May 1st was proven by DNA and facial recognition evidence, such proof was never released for public scrutiny and the Obama administration refused to release photos of Bin Laden’s dead body, suggesting a cover-up.

4) Despite the fact that the White House released “situation room” photos which purported to show Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and the rest of Obama’s security staff watching the raid which killed Bin Laden live, it was later admitted by CIA director Leon Panetta that Obama could not have seen the raid because the live feed was cut off before the Navy SEALS entered the compound. The photos were described by many as having “historical significance,” forming a “captivating” record of Obama’s greatest success and being the “defining moment” of his Presidency. One image showed Hillary Clinton with her hand over her mouth as if witnessing an anxious or crucial moment in the raid. Media reports at the time claimed that the photos represented the moment when “The leader of the free world saw the terror chief shot in the left eye.” However, the photos were staged as a PR stunt for public consumption, nobody in the photos ever saw Bin Laden killed live, nor did they see the Navy SEALS even enter the compound.

5) As even mainstream journalists began to cast suspicion on the official narrative behind the raid, the media reported that Al-Qaeda itself had confirmed every detail of Obama’s address the the nation. However, the conduit for such a claim was in fact an organization called SITE, which is a notorious Pentagon propaganda front run by the daughter of an Israeli spy that has been caught on numerous occasions releasing fake cartoonish “Al-Qaeda” videos at the most politically expedient times for both the Bush and Obama administrations. The SITE organization is nothing more than a contractor for the U.S. government, receiving some $500,000 a year annually from Uncle Sam, and yet the corporate media instantly swallowed and regurgitated the claim that “Al-Qaeda” had confirmed the official story after SITE directed them to an anonymous posting on an Islamic website.

6) Almost every single neighbor that lived near the alleged Bin Laden compound in Abbottabad that was interviewed by news reporters said with absolute certainty that they had never seen Bin Laden and that they knew of no evidence whatsoever to suggest he lived there. Since the town is a staging ground for the Pakistani military, which has a training facility situated virtually a stone’s throw away from the alleged Bin Laden compound, residents were required to show ID when they moved into the area. Pakistani troops and anti-terror police in the town refused to confirm that Bin Laden had lived in the house. Barack Obama himself admitted to 60 Minutes that the White House was only 55/45 sure that Osama lived there before the raid and this uncertainty prompted concerns that the US Navy SEALS sent in could have targeted a “prince from Dubai” or some other individual that was not Bin Laden.

7) The videos released by the White House this past weekend which purport to show Osama Bin Laden making Al-Qaeda tapes in October-November 2010 are almost identical to footage first released by Pentagon front group SITE nearly four years ago. Remember, a May 2010 Washington Post story reported how the CIA had admitted to making fake Bin Laden videos. Despite the White House’s insistence that the footage of Bin Laden is recent, he looks younger and healthier than tapes released almost a decade ago, having apparently dyed his beard black. A separate video that purports to show Bin Laden in his compound flicking through satellite TV channels depicts a much older looking man with a gray beard. Analysts have pointed out that the man has different shaped ears to real Osama pictures from back in 2001. A doctor has also pointed out the fact that the man in the tapes released Saturday has no problem moving his left arm, whereas video from 2001 clearly illustrates how Bin Laden was unable to move his left upper extremity because of a permanent injury probably related to damage to the peripheral nerves. Why the cameraman would film the back of Bin Laden’s head as he watches television is also dubious. Residents in the town of Abbottabad claim the man in the “television” video is not Osama, with one individual claiming that the man labeled by the White House as being Bin Laden is actually his neighbor, a man named Akhbar Han.

8: Despite the fact that numerous neo-cons came out on the days after the alleged raid to erroneously assert that torturing terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay led to the discovery of Bin Laden, Osama himself, the supposed world’s most wanted terrorist and a treasure trove of terror information, despite the fact that he was unarmed, was not taken in for questioning, he was instantly shot in the head according to the official narrative.

9) The US government has been caught on several occasions within the past decade staging military operations for the purposes of generating contrived, pro-war sentiment amongst the American public. Both the “rescue” of Jessica Lynch and the death of Pat Tillman were complete fables, scripted and staged at complete odds with the truth and unleashed on Americans as part of a psychological warfare offensive to elicit support for the war on terror, almost identical to what we’re seeing now with the Bin Laden sideshow. Given the fact that the US government has been caught red-handed scripting tales of pure fiction in order to justify the war on terror, notably in the cases of Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman, why on earth should we believe them now?

10) Despite the fact that Obama announced last Sunday on live television that the world was now “safer” because Bin Laden was dead, his administration, with the aid of the fearmongering mass media, instantly seized upon the situation to terrify Americans into being afraid of imminent “reprisal” terror attacks inside the United States, later claiming that Bin Laden had formulated an “aspirational rather than operational” plan to derail US trains that travel over 500mph, although no trains in the US can actually travel at such speeds. This led “terror experts” to salivate over how TSA agents were now needed in shopping malls to stick their hands down Americans’ pants, while New York Senator Chuckie Schumer called for the no fly list to be expanded to trains and subways. Obama hurried to ground zero for a photo op as he desperately tried to use the Bin Laden hoax to whip up phony patriotism as a means of boosting his flagging poll numbers. Others, like Democrat Bill Richardson, exploited the situation to try and push through policies that had no connection to Bin Laden or terrorism at all, like cap and trade. The haste with which the whole Bin Laden fable was exploited for political points scoring and as a psychological ploy to return Americans to a post-9/11 state of intellectual castration was painfully transparent, clearly suggesting that the entire farce was planned well in advance to achieve precisely those goals in the run up to 2012.
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Osama bin Laden’s role in the events of September 11, 2001 is not mentioned on the FBI’s “Ten Most Wanted” poster.  On June 5, 2006, author Ed Haas contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation headquarters to ask why, while claiming that bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 1998 bombings of US Embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, the poster does not indicate that he is wanted in connection with the events of 9/11. Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI responded, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” Asked to explain the process, Tomb responded, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.”

Haas pauses to ask the question, “If the US government does not have enough hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, how is it possible that it had enough evidence to invade Afghanistan to ‘smoke him out of his cave?’” Through corporate media, the Bush administration told the American people that bin Laden was “Public Enemy Number One,” responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 people on September 11, 2001. The federal government claims to have invaded Afghanistan to “root out” bin Laden and the Taliban, yet nearly six years later, the FBI said that it had no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.
Though the world was to have been convinced by the December 2001 release of a bin Laden “confession video,” the Department of Defense issued a press release to accompany this video in which Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said, “There was no doubt of bin Laden’s responsibility for the 9/11 attacks even before the tape was discovered.”

In a CNN article regarding the bin Laden tape, then New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said that “the tape removes any doubt that the US military campaign targeting bin Laden and his associates is more than justified.” Senator Richard Shelby, R-Alabama, the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said, “The tape’s release is central to informing people in the outside world who don’t believe bin Laden was involved in the September 11 attacks.” Shelby went on to say “I don’t know how they can be in denial after they see this tape.”

Haas attempted to secure a reference to US government authentication of the bin Laden “confession video,” to no avail. However, it is conclusive that the Bush Administration and US Congress, along with corporate media, presented the video as authentic. So why doesn’t the FBI view the “confession video” as hard evidence? After all, notes Haas, if the FBI is investigating a crime such as drug trafficking, and it discovers a video of members of a drug cartel openly talking about a successful distribution operation in the United States, that video would be presented to a federal grand jury. The participants identified in the video would be indicted. The video alone would serve as sufficient evidence to net a conviction in a federal court. So why, asks Haas, is the bin Laden “confession video” not carrying the same weight with the FBI?

Haas strongly suggests that we begin asking questions, “The fact that the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Osama bin Laden to 9/11 should be headline news around the world. The challenge to the reader is to find out why it is not. Why has the US media blindly read the government-provided 9/11 scripts, rather than investigate without passion, prejudice, or bias, the events of September 11, 2001? Why has the US media blacklisted any guest that might speak of a government-sponsored 9/11 cover-up, rather than seeking out those people who have something to say about 9/11 that is contrary to the government’s account?” Haas continues. “Who is controlling the media message, and how is it that the FBI has no ‘hard evidence’ connecting Osama bin Laden to the events of September 11, 2001, while the US media has played the bin Laden-9/11 connection story for [six] years now as if it has conclusive evidence that bin Laden is responsible for the collapse of the twin towers, the Pentagon attack, and the demise of United Flight 93?” No hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11… Think about it.

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[1] Federal Bureau of Investigation, Most Wanted Terrorists, Usama Bin Laden, http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm, [Accessed May 31, 2006]
[2] United States Department of Defense, News Release, U.S. Releases Videotape of Osama bin Laden, December 13, 2001, http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2001/b12132001_bt630-01.html, [Accessed June 5, 2006]
[3] BBC News, Bin Laden video angers New Yorkers, December 14, 2001, Peter Gould, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1711874.stm, [Accessed June 5, 2006]
[4] CNN, Bin Laden on tape: Attacks ‘benefited Islam greatly”, December 14, 2001, http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/13/ret.bin.laden.videotape, [Accessed June 5, 2006]


UPDATE BY ED HAAS
On June 6, 2006 the Muckraker Report ran a piece by Ed Haas titled “FBI says, ‘No hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11.’” Haas is the editor and a writer for the Muckraker Report. At the center of this article remains the authenticity and truthfulness of the videotape released by the federal government on December 13, 2001 in which it is reported that Osama bin Laden “confesses” to the September 11, 2001 attacks. The corporate media—television, radio, and newspapers—across the United States and the world repeated, virtually non-stop for a week after the videotape’s release, the government account of OBL “confessing.”  However, not one document has been released that demonstrates the authenticity of the videotape or that it even went through an authentication process. The Muckraker Report has submitted Freedom of Information Act requests to the FBI, CIA, Department of Defense, and CENTCOM requesting documentation that would demonstrate the authenticity of the videotape and the dates/circumstances in which the videotape was discovered. CENTCOM has yet to reply to the FOIA request. After losing an appeal, the FBI responded that no documents could be found responsive to the request. The Department of Defense referred the Muckraker Report to CENTCOM while also indicating that it had no documents responsive to the FOIA request either.

The CIA however claims that it can neither confirm nor deny the existence or nonexistence of records responsive to the request. According to the CIA the fact of the existence or nonexistence of requested records is properly classified and is intelligence sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by section 6 of the CIA Act of 1949, as amended. Therefore, the Agency has denied your request pursuant to FOIA exemptions (b)(1) and (b)(3).  Many people believe that if the videotape is authentic, it should be sufficient hard evidence for the FBI to connect bin Laden to 9/11. The Muckraker Report agrees. However, for the Department of Justice to indict bin Laden for the 9/11 attacks, something the government has yet to do, the videotape would have to be entered into evidence and subjected to additional scrutiny. This appears to be something the government wishes to avoid.  Some believe that the video is a fake. They refer to it as the “fat bin Laden”video. The Muckraker Report believes that while the videotape is indeed authentic, it was the result of an elaborate CIA sting operation. The Muckraker Report also believes that the reason why there is no documentation that demonstrates that the videotape went through an authenticity process is because the CIA knew it was authentic, they arranged the taping.  It is highly probable that the videotape was taped on September 26, 2001—before the US invaded Afghanistan.

Bin Laden Not Wanted for 9/11!
"The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden with the 9/11 attacks on america" - FBI spokesman Rex Tomb
http://911review.org/Media/Bin-Laden-Not-Wanted-for_9_11.html
http://www.ny911truth.org/articles/osama_not_wanted.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/usama-bin-laden


On June 5, 2006, reporter Ed Hass contacted the FBI Headquarters to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. He spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI.  When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Ladens Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Ladens Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” (Source: Teamliberty.net) Click image for large format.

CIA reportedly disbands Bin Laden unit

A CIA unit that had hunted for Usama bin Laden and his top deputies for a decade has been disbanded, according to a published report. Citing unnamed intelligence officials, The New York Times reported Tuesday that the unit, known as "Alec Station," was shut down late last year. The decision to close the unit, which predated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, was first reported Monday by National Public Radio. (Source: Associated Press, July 4, 2006) This means both the CIA and FBI don’t consider as reliable evidence the confession video released in December 2001 in which a character we’re told is Bin Laden is celebrating the attacks! Notice the main-stream media hasn’t reported on this? Notice our Congress hasn’t acted on this stunning news, yet they have us mired in this “global war on terror” with Bin Laden as their bogeyman?

Instead, they’ve used Bin Ladin to scare us into two Middle East wars, torturing people, and allowing the NSA to tap our phone calls and e-mails.  It's worked like a charm for the war profiteers. But all along they've known that Usama Bin Laden is NOT GUILTY of the 9/11 attacks and have concealed it from us.   The evidence above demonstrates the brutal, frightening truth: we've been DECEIVED AND BETRAYED. Now how could anyone think Bin Laden tapes used to keep us in fear can be real? This knowledge alone should alert you to the fact that something is terribly wrong with the official account of the 9/11 attacks on America. To prevent another 9/11 as a pretext for war, we must demand the truth now.

FURTHERMORE...

From 1993 to 2000, Ron Suskind was senior national affairs writer for The Wall Street Journal and in 1995 received the Pulitzer Prize for feature writing. The best-selling author has a new book called “The One Percent Doctrine”. In it he tells of an unnamed CIA briefer who flew to Bush's Texas ranch during the scary summer of 2001, amid a flurry of reports of a pending al-Qaeda attack, to call the president's attention personally to the now-famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US." Bush reportedly heard the briefer out and replied: “All right. You've covered your ass, now.” Does this sound like George W. Bush was intent on responding to warnings?

Suskind's revelation about the August 2001 briefing Bush received -- and apparently dismissed -- about Bin Laden has been reported in only six news reports available on Lexis-Nexis: one story in The Washington Post, two in Slate, and three in Salon. If only six news reports covered this, can you imagine how much information you’ve being deprived of? Is it reasonable to believe the corporate media has given you sufficient information to know the truth about the real role of Bin Laden, about the alleged hijackers, about the absence of air defense, about anything? Unless you read books like “The New Pearl Harbor” by David Ray Griffin, read reliable web sites like www.911proof.com and www.911truth.org, plus view independently created documentaries, you’ll never know. Remember, the military/industrial complex needs an enemy to justify its escalating budgets and existence. If you want peace, justice, a law-abiding government, and truthful media, understanding 9/11 is required. It’s your move. Spread this information. Call in to radio and TV talk shows. Inform your elected officials. Get the truth out that shows we've been conned about 9/11 by our own government!


Bin Laden Not Wanted for 9/11
The 'FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11'. Vice President Cheney says, 'We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11'
http://twf.org/News/Y2006/0608-BinLaden.html
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The FBI's "Most Wanted Terrorists" web page does not state that Bin Laden is wanted for the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

The FBI page states: "Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI's web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI's Chief of Investigative Publicity, is reported to have said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."

In the months leading up to the Septmber 11, 2001 attack, it is reported, the Taliban "outlined various ways bin Laden could be dealt with. He could be turned over to the EU, killed by the Taliban, or made available as a target for Cruise missiles." The Bush administration did not accept the Taliban's offer.

"On September 20, 2001," according to the Guardian, "the Taliban offered to hand Osama bin Laden to a neutral Islamic country for trial if the US presented them with evidence that he was responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington. The US rejected the offer."

On September 23, 2001 the BBC reported that four of the hijack "suspects" - Waleed Al Shehri, Abdulaziz Al Omari, Saeed Alghamdi, and possibly Khalid Al Midhar - were alive, and that FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged "the identity of several of the suicide hijackers is in doubt."

Bin Laden, in a September 28, 2001 interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat, is reported to have said:
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.

Experts dismiss the video tape "found in a house in Jalalabad", Afghanistan, which allegedly shows Bin Laden confessing to the September 11 attacks. In a December 20, 2001, broadcast by German TV channel Das Erste "two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House's translation not only to be inaccurate, but manipulative."

FBI Director Robert Mueller, in a speech at the Commonwealth Club on April 19, 2002, said: "In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of paper - either here in the United States, or in the treasure trove of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere - that mentioned any aspect of the September 11 plot."

In fact there are no Arab names on the partial list of passengers on the 9/11 flights.

Yet on September 12, 2001 ABC News reported that "investigators have identified all the hijackers". Among those identified was "Satan Suqami, a Saudi national on American Airlines Flight 11, whose passport was recovered in the rubble."

Bin Laden is the "prime suspect" in the September 11 attacks, said President Bush on September 17, 2001, and he pledged to capture him "dead or alive."

"I am absolutely convinced that the al-Qaida network, which he heads, was responsible for this attack," Secretary of State Colin Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Powell said the government would "put before the world, the American people, a persuasive case that ... it is al-Qaida, led by Osama bin Laden, who has been responsible."

On October 7, 2001, the U.S. military began operation Operation Enduring Freedom - a war on Afghanistan.

The evidence against Bin Laden, promised by Secretary of State Colin Powell on September 23, 2001, has yet to be made available to the public.

On March 29, 2006, on The Tony Snow Show, Vice President Dick Cheney stated: "We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming."

Back on September 16, 2001, Cheney had said he would willingly accept bin Laden's "head on a platter".


References
[Digital morphing - voice, video, and photo - has come of age, available for use in psychological operations. PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives. . . .

Pentagon planners started to discuss digital morphing after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world.--William M. Arkin, "When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing," Washington Post, February 1, 1999]

"Osama bin Laden, A.K.A. CIA Asset 'Tim Osman'," whatreallyhappened.com

Enver Masud, "Deadly Deception, Pretexts for War," The Wisdom Fund, July 30, 2001

LIVE TV: Taliban deny responsibility -- "BBC Sept. 11, 2001 4:54 pm - 5:36 pm," BBC News, September 11, 2001

Toby Harnden, "Bin Laden is wanted: dead or alive, says Bush," Telegraph, September 18, 2001

Andrew Buncomb, "Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden," Independent, October 15, 2001

Anthony Sampson, " CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July: French report claims terrorist leader stayed in Dubai hospital," Guardian, November 1, 2001

"Pakistan's Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead," cnn.com, January 18, 2002

Standard Schaeffer, "'Al Qaeda Itself Does Not Exist'," CounterPunch, June 21, 2003

Enver Masud, "Why No Arab Names on Passenger List?," The Wisdom Fund, July 26, 2004

George Friedman, "America's Secret War," The Wisdom Fund, October 11, 2005

Bruce Lawrence (editor), "Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden," Verso (November 28, 2005)

Amber Rupinta, "Duke Professor Skeptical of bin Laden Tape," ABC News. January 19, 2006

Enver Masud, "What Really Happened to 7 World Trade Center?," The Wisdom Fund, April 17, 2006

Robert Parry, "CIA: Osama Helped Bush in '04," consortiumnews.com, July 4, 2006

Ed Haas, "Government refuses to authenticate bin Laden 'confession video'," Muckraker Report, August 11, 2006

[The FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.--Steve Herrmann, "9/11 conspiracy theory," BBC News, October 27, 2006]

["Able Danger did not identify Mohammed Atta or any other 9/11 hijacker at any time prior to Sept. 11, 2001,"--Greg Miller, "Alarming 9/11 claim is found baseless," Los Angeles Times, December 25, 2006]

[In July of 2006 a large collection of documents was published on a website containing prosecution and defense exhibits for the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui. Included in the prosecution exhibits are a set of Flash presentations detailing the government's account of the passengers on all four commandeered jetliners.--"Victims Lists, Passenger Manifests, and the Alleged Hijackers," 911research.wtc7.net, 2006]

AUDIO: Kevin Barrett talks to Bruce Lawrence of Duke University about the Bin Laden confession tapes which Lawrence says are bogus and that he knows people who work for the United States government who agree with him off the record.-- "Bruce Lawrence," radiodujour.com, February 16, 2007

[But more interesting were the examples Krawetz gave of al Qaeda images. Krawetz took an image from a 2006 al Qaeda video of Ayman al-Zawahiri (above right), a senior member of the terrorist organization. The image shows al-Zawahiri sitting in front of a desk and banner with writing on it. But after conducting his error analysis Krawetz was able to determine that al-Zawahiri's image was superimposed in front of the background--Kim Zetter, "Researcher's Analysis of al Qaeda Images Reveals Surprises," wired.com, August 2, 2007]

"Bin Laden's message to the American people," aljazeera.net, September 7, 2007 [Is this video real or fake? Has Al-Jazeera been "neutered"?]

"Latest Bin Laden Video Is a Forgery: All References to Current Events Are Made During Video Freeze," mparent7777-2.blogspot.com, September 9, 2007

VIDEO: "Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered," BBC, November 2, 2007

Elias Davidsson, "The Events of September 11, 2001 and the Right to the Truth," aldeilis.net, April 14, 2008

[On September 20, 2001, the Bush administration officially declared that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attack. Three days later, Secretary of State Colin Powell announced on Meet the Press that the government would soon release "a white paper" detailing the evidence against bin Laden. . . .

As we know, the US government never got around to releasing the promised white paper.--Mark H. Gaffney, "Was 9/11 an Inside Job?," thetruthseeker.co.uk, September 8, 2008]

VIDEO: "911 FALSE FLAG," NuoViso, September 11, 2008

[Even after Sept. 11, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Vice President Dick Cheney continued to resist any military engagement in Afghanistan, because they were hoping for war against Iraq instead.

Bush's top secret order of Sept. 17 for war with Afghanistan also directed the Pentagon to begin planning for an invasion of Iraq, according to journalist James Bamford's book Pretext for War.

Cheney and Rumsfeld pushed for a quick victory in Afghanistan in NSC meetings in October, as recounted by both Woodward and Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith. Lost in the eagerness to wrap up the Taliban and get on with the Iraq War was any possibility of preventing bin Laden's escape to Pakistan.--Gareth Porter, "Bush Had No Plan to Catch Bin Laden After 9/11," antiwar.com, September 30, 2008]

[It is thought the authorities were referring to comments made by Mr Bin Laden that he could not prove 100% that his father - whom he says he has not seen since he was 19 - was responsible for the 2001 attacks in the US or the London bombings in 2005.--"Bin Laden son in Spain asylum bid," BBC News, November 4, 2008]

VIDEO: "Devil's Advocate," Netherlands 2, April 8, 2009

[What was remarkable about the Taliban offer was that there wasn't even an extradition agreement between Afghanistan and the United States. The Taliban was offering to deliver bin Laden to an independent tribunal even though international law did not require it, so long as U.S. officials provided the same type of evidence that is ordinarily required in an extradition proceeding.--Jacob G. Hornberger, "U.S. Foreign Policy Caused the Taliban Problem," fff.org, May 8, 2009]

[He analyzes the purported messages from bin Laden and finds that, as many have suspected, they do not provide evidence of bin Laden's existence after 2001. This leads naturally to the question: if Osama bin Laden did indeed die in 2001, how and why have dozens of messages from bin Laden appeared since then?

Griffin's meticulous analysis supports above all one simple and urgent conclusion: if Osama bin Laden is dead, the US should not be using its troops and treasure to hunt him down.--David Ray Griffin, "Osama Bin Laden: Dead or Alive?," Olive Branch Press, May 20, 2009]

[These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.--"Sibel Edmonds: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11," dailykos.com, May 20, 2009]

[The former FBI translator carefully replied, "I have information about things that our government has lied to us about. I know. For example, to say that since the fall of the Soviet Union we ceased all of our intimate relationship with Bin Laden and the Taliban - those things can be proven as lies, very easily, based on the information they classified in my case, because we did carry very intimate relationship with these people, and it involves Central Asia, all the way up to September 11."--Muriel Kane, "Whistleblower: Bin Laden was US proxy until 9/11," rawstory.com, July 31, 2009]

Lukery, "Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11," dailykos.com, July 31, 2009

[Only one nation had the means, motive, opportunity and stable nation state intelligence required to take the US to war in the Middle East while also making it appear that Islam is the problem.--Jeff Gates, "Israel and 9/11," middle-east-online.com, September 11, 2009]

[A recent survey of news reports covering Osama bin Laden from 2001 to 2009 has provided overwhelming evidence that the al Qaeda leader has been dead since December 13, 2001, and that all messages that have been aired since that time have been fabricated--Elizabeth Woodworth, "Dead or Alive? Osama bin Laden: A Marketing Tool for US-NATO Military Operations ," Global Research, September 11, 2009]

[Although the case was not good enough to go to court, Blair seemed to be saying, it was good enough to go to war. . . .

Still another reason to doubt the authenticity of this 2004 video is that, although the speaker was addressing the American public, he spoke Arabic rather than English. This is strange, because Osama bin Laden was reportedly fluent in English--David Ray Griffin, "Osama bin Laden as Responsible for the 9/11 Attacks: Is This Belief Based on Evidence?," Veterans Today, October 30, 2009]

[The US has had no reliable information on the whereabouts of al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in years, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates has admitted.--"No Bin Laden reports 'in years'," BBC News, December 6, 2009]

"Timeline: The search for Bin Laden," BBC News, December 6, 2009

"Spaniard's photo used for bin Laden poster: Lawmaker upset his face was model for new FBI image on al-Qaida leader," Associated Press, January 16, 2010

Gareth Porter, "Taliban 'imposed strict isolation on Osama bin Laden after 1998 to prevent him from carrying out any plots against the United States'," Inter Press Service, February 12, 2010

[The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys--Jeff Stein, "CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay," washingtonpost.com, May 25, 2010]

[What about the 9/11 Commission? Its entire report is based on the assumption that bin Laden was behind the attacks. However, the report's evidence to support this premise has been disowned by the Commission's own co-chairs, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton. . . .

It is still widely thought to have been established beyond question that the attacks were carried out by members of al-Qaeda. The truth, however, is that the evidence entirely falls apart upon examination, and this fact suggests that 9/11 was instead a false-flag attack - an attack that people within our own government orchestrated while planting evidence to implicate Muslims.--David Ray Griffin, "Did 9/11 Justify the War in Afghanistan?," globalresearch.ca, June 24, 2010]

" . . . there is no credible evidence that [19 Arabs] boarded any of these passenger planes."--Elias Davidsson, "There is no evidence that Muslims committed the crime of 9/11," opednews.com, August 11, 2010]

Pepe Escobar, "Osama has (not) left the building," atimes.com, October 30, 2010

[Is Bin Laden dead? Probably. Was he killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan? Possibly. Was he the 'mastermind' of 9/11? No -- his death is a distraction from more important issues.--Enver Masud, "Exposed: The Abbottabad, Pakistan Affair," The Wisdom Fund, May 6, 2011] Feedjit Live Blog Stats

Osama bin Laden, among the FBI's "Ten Most Wanted Fugitives"
Why was he never indicted for his alleged role in 9/11?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3246
by Michel Chossudovsky Global Research, September 17, 2006


Osama is classified among among The FBI's Ten Most Wanted Fugitives. However, on the Usama bin Laden page on the FBI website, there is no explicit statement to the effect that he might be wanted in connection to the Septmber 11, 2001 attacks. He is wanted in relation to the 1998 African Embassy bombings.

"USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD."

On first reading the web page seems to be out of date, a pre-9/11 page, which the FBI forgot to update.  The FBI, like most organizations, updates its website periodically, when new information, concerning a "wanted fugitive" becomes available.  On closer examination, the original posting, which dates to June 1999, was updated: in November 2001, at least three weeks after the US invaded Afghanistan. (Click here to go to FBI Usama page)

The decision to go to war was taken without a indictment by the US Justice department and corroborating statements by the FBI to the effect that Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda was behind the attacks. It was taken without an indictment issued by the Justice Department.  At eleven o'clock, on the morning of September 11, the Bush administration had already announced that Al Qaeda was responsible for the attacks on the World Trade Center (WTC) and the Pentagon. This assertion was made prior to the conduct of an indepth police investigation conducted by the FBI. The FBI confirmed in a recent statement (July 2006) that "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on the Usama Bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because "the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11" (See the Muckracker Report, See also Enver Masud,  FBI: Bin Laden Not Wanted for 9/11? The 'FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11', Wisdom Fund, June 2006). Rex Tom, FBI Director of Investigative Publictiy stated in this regard that

"The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice then decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11."

Barely four weeks later, on the 7th of October, Afghanistan was bombed and invaded by US troops. The war on Afghanistan started on October 7, 2001, less than a month after 9/11.  On September 20th, the Taliban government had offered, "to hand Osama bin Laden to a neutral Islamic country for trial if the US presented them with evidence that he was responsible for the attacks on New York and Washington." (George Mombiot, The Guardian, 11 Nov 2003). This offer which was repeated by the Taliban government on October 1, 2001, six days before the beginning of the bombing:

"We are ready for negotiations. It is up to the other side to agree or not. Only negotiation will solve our problems." Bush was asked about this offer at a press conference the following day. He replied: "There's no negotiations. There's no calendar. We'll act on [sic] our time." (Ibid)

To this date, the Justice department has not formally indicted and charged Osama bin Laden for the 911 attacks:

The FBI maintains a separate "Most Wanted Terrorists" list, which includes bin Laden and 25 others who have been indicted in U.S. federal courts in connection with terror plots. But this second bin Laden listing also makes no mention of Sept. 11. "The indictments currently listed on the posters allow them to be arrested and brought to justice," the FBI says in a note accompanying the terrorist list on its Web site. "Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001." (Washington Post, 28 August 2006)


America Has No Proof That Bin Laden was Mastermind of 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x313544
http://santee.patch.com/articles/america-has-no-proof-that-bin-laden-was-mastermind-of-911
By Ray Lutz, Patch.com Citizens Oversight Projects May 2, 2011


I was disappointed that the SEAL team failed to capture Osama bin Laden alive, which would have been the proper way to handle it. First, do we actually know this occurred? Is there independent corroboration of the facts, or are reporters happy to take the word of the intelligence department, the same one that had bad information about WMD in Iraq? The body was disposed of very quickly. Are there any photographs, DNA testing, etc., to prove that this was indeed bin Laden? We’ve been shown lots of archival footage. I want real reporting. What really gets me about all this coverage is that with the giddy pleasure of seeing a man killed, we forget that we had no hard evidence that 1) this was in fact, Osama bin Laden and 2) he was the ‘mastermind’ behind 9/11. Given other terrorist attacks he admitted to, perhaps he deserved to die. But he was never linked to 9/11 with hard evidence. The proper way to handle this would be through indictments and a trial. What actually occurred is that President Bush, in his ultimate wisdom, decided that it was our right to take him out ‘dead or alive.’ Frankly, I don't trust President Bush with the most simple decisions, including whether it was best to continue to read My Pet Goat.

Vice President Cheney says, “We've never made the case, or argued the case, that somehow Osama bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11.” According to the FBI "Wanted" page (fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/usama-bin-laden): "Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.” When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on the FBI’s web page, Rex Tomb, the FBI’s chief of investigative publicity, is reported to have said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” In fact,  Bin Laden, in a Sept. 28, 2001, interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat, is reported to have said:

“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.”

The video supposedly documenting admission was an obvious contrivance and has been dismissed by investigators as reliable evidence. According to the FBI, bin Laden was only a suspect. Would you not need some form of evidence before you kill the man? Apparently not in this country, where we lose all sense of due process if the man is a Muslim who likes to express his manhood by holding an AK-47.

But let's say all this is wrong, and bin Laden, according to widely held belief (without hard evidence), was the ‘mastermind’ of 9/11. Then it certainly points out that had Bush focused on Afghanistan instead of getting distracted on false information about weapons of mass destruction that were never found in Iraq, we may have found this huge bunker only a short distance from the border of Pakistan long ago and likely reduced the growth of al Qaeda in Iraq and other areas of the world.

With 20/20 hindsight, we have to conclude that Iraq was clearly the biggest military blunder in all recorded history. I find it interesting that the bunker was finally found and the operation commenced just prior to the move of Leon Panetta from CIA director to defense secretary, which was just announced last week. Panetta was credited with being behind the operation. Why is it that the CIA is now in charge of military operations, and SEAL teams report to the CIA director?


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Offline IridiumKEPfactor

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Try not to focus too much on the ears. The fact is that ears do change over time as far as the size and elasticity. My grandpa had those big ol grandpa ears with white/grey hair in them but they were not always big and old looking. The curves and folds usually stay about the same. Point out glaring differences but know that ears do change over longs periods of time. A 30 year old ear looks about the same as a 40 year old ear but a 40 year old ear can look dramatically different from a 70 year old ear.

Again not poo pooing the theory but take into account that ears can change.

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From
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"The ear, it turns out, may be the best identification yet."

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Try not to focus too much on the ears. The fact is that ears do change over time as far as the size and elasticity. My grandpa had those big ol grandpa ears with white/grey hair in them but they were not always big and old looking. The curves and folds usually stay about the same. Point out glaring differences but know that ears do change over longs periods of time. A 30 year old ear looks about the same as a 40 year old ear but a 40 year old ear can look dramatically different from a 70 year old ear.

Again not poo pooing the theory but take into account that ears can change.
Ridiculous.  The ears are a different size and shape.  Fake-Osama's ears are smaller and rounder and stick out much less.  Ears get LARGER (one of three body parts to do so, along with nose and feet) and less perfect looking with age. 

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One thing I have seen about this entire sorted affair, When BHO was interviewed on "60 minutes" two Sundays ago, the interviewer ask him "You've seen the photos", Obama almost snapped back, "It's Him". The Interviewer was asking in the context of, "these photos are graphic " - because of Obama's unwillingness to release the photos to We the American People. Why would Obama snap that answer out, if the authenticity of who was shot and rapidly disposed of at sea wasn't in question? The alledged owner of the peoperty, Ahkbar Khan, hasn't been seen or heard from since May 1st, although his (Khan's) I.D. was supposedly found in the proximity of one of the other men killed in the compound. BTW, those photos of the three other men were shown, guess they weren't as "graphic"?

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Re: New Bin Laden Video proves that the entire "assassination" was fantasyland!
« Reply #100 on: January 30, 2012, 12:02:38 PM »
It always did seem a bit fishy... him sleeping with the fishes.   ;)