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« on: May 07, 2011, 10:30:16 AM »

My question is this--

Why is the Pakistani government not yelling to every publication and news camera that OBL wasn't there and this was a created scenario by the US?

Why aren't they offering proof and exposing that he died years ago?

They seem awfully quiet about this so maybe they do believe it? They are now calling for the resignation of the prime minster.

Are they being paid off? Promised something? or just clueless?

I am very interested in hearing everyone's thoughts on this.
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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2011, 10:36:31 AM »

Just heard tarley quoting the Chinese that they will PROTECT Pakistan. That obl crap was maybe set up by Pakistan to leave the U.S sphere and ally with china. The obsession of Pakistan is India, already had a couple of wars. China also had a war with India. Hard to know when you are not inside the " great game "
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2011, 10:40:09 AM »

Because he is not only a CIA creation but an ISI creation.

Go back and research his origins and the ISI is a big part of his existance.   Hence why he was 'found' there...
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2011, 10:44:17 AM »

Just heard tarley quoting the Chinese that they will PROTECT Pakistan. That obl crap was maybe set up by Pakistan to leave the U.S sphere and ally with china. The obsession of Pakistan is India, already had a couple of wars. China also had a war with India. Hard to know when you are not inside the " great game "

Interesting theory. I will go listen to Tarpley today. I didn't think of the Chinese angle.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2011, 10:45:41 AM »

Because he is not only a CIA creation but an ISI creation.

Go back and research his origins and the ISI is a big part of his existance.   Hence why he was 'found' there...

Yes but this makes them look bad and people are calling for them to resign. What are they gaining by not debunking the story?
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2011, 06:20:25 PM »

bump b/c I want more opinions/input on this.
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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2011, 07:01:52 PM »

Just heard tarley quoting the Chinese that they will PROTECT Pakistan. That obl crap was maybe set up by Pakistan to leave the U.S sphere and ally with china. The obsession of Pakistan is India, already had a couple of wars. China also had a war with India. Hard to know when you are not inside the " great game "

Pakistan's Zardari looks to China for support
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/10/15/us-china-pakistan-idUSTRE49E4GG20081015
By Chris Buckley
BEIJING | Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:36am EDT
(Reuters) - Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari reached trade deals with China on Wednesday, raising hopes that Beijing would help his country through difficult economic and diplomatic times.

Chinese President Hu Jintao and Zardari oversaw the signing of 11 agreements on trade and economic cooperation, agriculture, mining and other areas, but it was unclear whether they included any concessional loans or nuclear cooperation deals.

The Financial Times reported that the Pakistani president was seeking $500 million or more in soft loans from its neighbor as it grapples to stem a looming balance of payments crisis.

Zardari is wooing Beijing at a time when his country's relations with the United States are strained after U.S. forces in Afghanistan carried out cross-border air raids and at least one ground assault on al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistan.

Washington also recently sealed a civilian nuclear deal with India that riled Pakistan. Both New Delhi and Islamabad have developed nuclear weapons to counter each other, but Washington has ruled out a similar deal for Islamabad. (continued)

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Pakistan is the corridor through which oil from Iran could flow to China.
Pakistan has abundant natural gas, and sells it to China.
That's why we're killing innocent Pakistanis with drones.
There is NO WAY the Anglo/American oil cartel will allow sales of
natural gas and oil to bypass their stranglehold.

Pakistan is one way to avoid it: and they will destroy Pakistan before allowing
China to buy fuel without getting their piece of the deal.

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Pakistan considers building gas pipeline to China
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2007-04/23/content_857122.htm
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Updated: 2007-04-23 10:25
Pakistan is considering a plan to build a natural gas pipeline from the Arabian Sea to China, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz said.

"The pipeline can bring gas to Pakistan and then to China, which will avoid going around the Malacca Strait," Aziz said in an interview on April 21.

Aziz also said that Pakistan has a "unique" relationship with China that will help his country develop. "Chinese companies are looking at Pakistan and our infrastructure needs: energy, roads, highways, airports, ports," he said.

Pakistan and China agreed a year ago to cooperate on energy, including the construction of an oil refinery and a storage facility in Pakistan's coastal areas to help China gain access to oil and gas from Central Asia and the Middle East. China is helping Pakistan build its third port at Gwadar in Baluchistan.

Pakistan and India are negotiating the rates for buying and distributing gas through a separate pipeline from Iran to South Asia, Aziz said during the annual Boao forum in China's southern island of Hainan.

"We are going to build energy pipelines in the region and meet our energy needs through the most efficient way," he said. "Our national interest dictates that we create more options and opportunities for energy flow into Pakistan."

Aziz invited companies in China, Pakistan's biggest trading partner after the U.S., to invest in the nation and signed a free-trade agreement in November.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2011, 07:12:44 PM »

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 24, 2010

Iran-Pakistan-China: The oil pipeline NATO doesn't want
http://circleof13.blogspot.com/2010/02/iran-pakistan-china-oil-pipeline-nato.html

Summary

China has reportedly said that it will join Pakistan and Iran in a proposed natural gas pipeline project if India bows out. While an Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline project was never in the cards, a plan for an Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline actually has some merit.

Analysis

China is ready to join Pakistan and Iran in building a natural gas pipeline, provided that India does not move ahead with its own plans to do so, Pakistan's Daily Times reported Feb. 11, citing unnamed sources. The proposed Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) pipeline has been on the table for years, and with good reason. It faces so many obstacles that it has almost zero chance of ever being built. A China-Iran pipeline, on the other hand, has potential for a number of reasons.

In order for a natural gas pipeline project to be viable, it requires five key ingredients: a source of natural gas, a consumer, someone willing to pay for developing it, a route that makes sense and someone with the organizational capacity to put it all together. While the IPI pipeline has the first two — Iran has plenty of natural gas reserves, which Pakistan and its neighbors are eager to consume — it lacks the other three.

Pakistan is less than willing to foot the bill for its own energy infrastructure (which has led to a lack of outside investment in Pakistan's energy sector), while India's organizational capabilities in this arena can best be described as schizophrenic. Neither country is willing (or able) to make up for the other's shortcomings. Additionally, it makes very little sense to create a pipeline route that would boost the mutual energy dependence between two states that have nuclear missiles permanently aimed at one other.

China, however, has the cash, capabilities and political will to make a “replacement” Iran-Pakistan pipeline happen. Since China's economic growth — and the resulting need for energy supplies to fuel that growth — is tied to political stability, China has the political will to bring energy projects to fruition. Its deep pockets and organizational experience ensure that China also has the ability to act upon that will. It already has worked its magic on energy projects in Central Asia and has toyed with the idea of building an underwater pipeline from Oman to Pakistan, with energy supplies ultimately to be shipped to China.

China is particularly keen on securing energy supplies that can be shipped over land routes. Supplies shipped over water are much easier for the United States to interrupt, given its uncontested control of the seas. Should U.S.-Chinese tensions ever rise sufficiently, the United States essentially could shut down China without firing a shot, simply by turning off its energy imports. While this is certainly not an immediate threat, land-based supply lines would reduce China's dependence on the goodwill of the U.S. Navy. (It should be noted that the Oman option is a less attractive route than Iran-Pakistan, since it marries the expense of a transcontinental pipeline with the vulnerability of a water route. Oman sits on the “wrong” side of the Gulf of Oman.)

An Iran-Pakistan-China pipeline would not come without its drawbacks, however — the greatest of which stems from Pakistan's internal instability. A pipeline route from Iran to China most likely would enter Pakistan in the southwestern region of Balochistan and pass northward across Punjab into the non-Pashtun (eastern) areas of the North-West Frontier Province through the Federally Administered Northern Areas, and then into Chinese-held areas of Kashmir. This route would avoid the Pashtun areas, where there is a jihadist insurgency under way, but it still would be vulnerable to attacks by tribal ethno-nationalist Baloch insurgents. It should be kept in mind, however, that the Pakistani state has cracked down harder on the Balochis than on the jihadists, which has limited the former to a low-intensity insurgency.

None of this is to say that the Iran-China pipeline will or will not happen. For the moment, it remains merely a rumor. However, amid all the other chatter about potential pipelines, this one actually has some possibility of success.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2011, 07:29:20 PM »

In the last ten years Pakistan has received $10 billion in aid from the US.  That probably buys a lot of silence.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2011, 08:23:53 PM »

In the last ten years Pakistan has received $10 billion in aid from the US.  That probably buys a lot of silence.

Yes I agree but these guys are being forced out now. You would think they would go out yelling unless someone is giving them something to make them want to keep quiet.

That's what I am trying to figure out. The China theory makes sense but I think there is more...
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2011, 08:31:59 PM »

Yes I agree but these guys are being forced out now. You would think they would go out yelling unless someone is giving them something to make them want to keep quiet.

That's what I am trying to figure out. The China theory makes sense but I think there is more...

China needs that pipeline, so I am sure they made Pakistan an offer they could not refuse.  I also see Russian standing by with them too.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2011, 09:05:00 PM »

China needs that pipeline, so I am sure they made Pakistan an offer they could not refuse.  I also see Russian standing by with them too.

How do you see Russia entering this game?

BTW-loved your fax to the White House. You nailed it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2011, 09:44:36 PM »

How do you see Russia entering this game?

BTW-loved your fax to the White House. You nailed it.

They have already entered the game with Shanghai Organization.

Thanks--we need to barrage the White House with Faxes!

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2011, 04:34:04 AM »

Yes I agree but these guys are being forced out now. You would think they would go out yelling unless someone is giving them something to make them want to keep quiet.

That's what I am trying to figure out. The China theory makes sense but I think there is more...

Who do you think "these guys" are?
Well, let's start with the president of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Ali_Zardari
Asif Ali Zardari (Urdu: آصف علی زرداری; Sindhi: آصف علي زرداري; born 26 July 1955[5]) is the 11th and current President of Pakistan and the Co-Chairman of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP). Zardari is the widower of Benazir Bhutto, who twice served as Prime Minister of Pakistan. When his wife was assassinated in December 2007, he became the leader of the PPP. He successfully led the PPP through general elections in 2008 and led a coalition that forced Pervez Musharraf's resignation.[1]
His political career has been mired by corruption allegations, for which he was in prison from 1990–1993 and 1996-2004.[1][6][7] He became widely known as "Mr. 10 Percent" during the premiership of Benazir Bhutto because of his alleged role in obtaining kickbacks as an intermediary in government deals.[1][7][8][9] As President, his attempt to prevent the reinstatement of judges failed after massive protests led by Nawaz Sharif, his chief political rival.[10][11] He suffered further political embarrassment for flirting with Sarah Palin[12][13][14] and for going to Europe a few days after the 2010 Pakistan floods.[11][15]

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A globalist crook, who lived abroad - escaping prosecution for years, and enjoying the wealth he stole from the Pakistani people.

He remained married to Benazir Bhutto, although they did not live together.  Theirs was a marriage in name only.
However, when she was murdered, the grieving widower made a tremendous display of grief - appearing on Pak tv with her picture ALWAYS somehow positioned behind himself to 'prove' his undying love... a PR game... and in that time after her murder, his handlers built him a narrative as the future president (in her stead), and engineered his move into power.

Mr. 10%.

How much money do you suppose he's been raking in since he took power? He moves it all out of Pakistan, and stashes it away for the day he can eventually leave the country and live in luxury somewhere else.

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In 2005, a Pakistani daily reported he is the second richest man in Pakistan with an estimated net worth of US$1.8 billion.[169] He amassed great wealth while his wife was Prime Minister.[35] He was reported to have estates in Surrey, West End of London, Paris, Manhattan, and Dubai.[20][35] In Britain, he used a common legal device — the purchase of property through nominees— with no family link to the Bhuttos.[35] His Lahore home is referred to as Bilawal House II.[170] His residence in Islamabad is called Zardari House.[171]
[edit]Surrey Palace
He bought a 355-acre 20-bedroom luxury estate in Rockwood, Surrey in 1995 through a chain of firms, trusts, and offshore companies.[16][54][59][172] He initially denied for eight years that he owned the property and no-one paid the bills for his work on the unoccupied mansion.[59][172] Creditors forced a liquidation sale and the Pakistani government claimed proceeds because the home was bought with money through corruption.[59] However, he stepped in to claim that he actually was the beneficial owner.[20] As of November 2008, the proceeds were in a liquidator bank account while a civil case continues.[59]
It includes two farms, lodgings, staff accommodation, and a basement under the imitation of a local pub.[16][172] The front entrance to the house is covered in ivy and holly.[172] There is a large parking area in front.[172][173] The master bedroom ceiling is created to achieve an evening sky with stars in it.[172]
He had sent large shipments from Karachi in the 1990s for the refurbishment of Surrey Place.[59] He earlier had plans for a helipad, nine-hole golf course, and a polo pony paddock to be installed on the property.[59]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Ali_Zardari

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He is only in Pakistan when he has to be - otherwise he's in Europe or Asia. He's the ultimate dilettante; and has been (as expected) a disaster for Pakistan.

So who is going to "go out yelling"?  Certainly not Zardari, the useful tool for now, who can't wait to 'go out'. This is someone who does not care about Pakistan or the Pakistani people. He cares only for himself and money. He's there to help move Pakistan into full globalist control; he represents the international banksters and is in power to serve their needs, until he can walk away with his pockets full of gold.

The only people yelling out are the bloggers, Pakistani ex-pats who are screaming... is anyone listening?

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I wanted to provide the link to Pakalert Press - a blog by someone 'yelling out'.
Here's what I found...

"pakalert.wordpress.com is no longer available.
This blog has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of Service.
For questions or concerns, contact WordPress.com Support."

Here's one that's still up and running: http://theterrorland.blogspot.com/2010/12/who-killed-benazir-bhuttozardari-or.html

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2011, 08:25:21 AM »

Who do you think "these guys" are?
Well, let's start with the president of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Ali_Zardari
Asif Ali Zardari (Urdu: آصف علی زرداری; Sindhi: آصف علي زرداري; born 26 July 1955[5]) is the 11th and current President of Pakistan and the Co-Chairman of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP). Zardari is the widower of Benazir Bhutto, who twice served as Prime Minister of Pakistan. When his wife was assassinated in December 2007, he became the leader of the PPP. He successfully led the PPP through general elections in 2008 and led a coalition that forced Pervez Musharraf's resignation.[1]
His political career has been mired by corruption allegations, for which he was in prison from 1990–1993 and 1996-2004.[1][6][7] He became widely known as "Mr. 10 Percent" during the premiership of Benazir Bhutto because of his alleged role in obtaining kickbacks as an intermediary in government deals.[1][7][8][9] As President, his attempt to prevent the reinstatement of judges failed after massive protests led by Nawaz Sharif, his chief political rival.[10][11] He suffered further political embarrassment for flirting with Sarah Palin[12][13][14] and for going to Europe a few days after the 2010 Pakistan floods.[11][15]

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A globalist crook, who lived abroad - escaping prosecution for years, and enjoying the wealth he stole from the Pakistani people.

He remained married to Benazir Bhutto, although they did not live together.  Theirs was a marriage in name only.
However, when she was murdered, the grieving widower made a tremendous display of grief - appearing on Pak tv with her picture ALWAYS somehow positioned behind himself to 'prove' his undying love... a PR game... and in that time after her murder, his handlers built him a narrative as the future president (in her stead), and engineered his move into power.

Mr. 10%.

How much money do you suppose he's been raking in since he took power? He moves it all out of Pakistan, and stashes it away for the day he can eventually leave the country and live in luxury somewhere else.

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In 2005, a Pakistani daily reported he is the second richest man in Pakistan with an estimated net worth of US$1.8 billion.[169] He amassed great wealth while his wife was Prime Minister.[35] He was reported to have estates in Surrey, West End of London, Paris, Manhattan, and Dubai.[20][35] In Britain, he used a common legal device — the purchase of property through nominees— with no family link to the Bhuttos.[35] His Lahore home is referred to as Bilawal House II.[170] His residence in Islamabad is called Zardari House.[171]
[edit]Surrey Palace
He bought a 355-acre 20-bedroom luxury estate in Rockwood, Surrey in 1995 through a chain of firms, trusts, and offshore companies.[16][54][59][172] He initially denied for eight years that he owned the property and no-one paid the bills for his work on the unoccupied mansion.[59][172] Creditors forced a liquidation sale and the Pakistani government claimed proceeds because the home was bought with money through corruption.[59] However, he stepped in to claim that he actually was the beneficial owner.[20] As of November 2008, the proceeds were in a liquidator bank account while a civil case continues.[59]
It includes two farms, lodgings, staff accommodation, and a basement under the imitation of a local pub.[16][172] The front entrance to the house is covered in ivy and holly.[172] There is a large parking area in front.[172][173] The master bedroom ceiling is created to achieve an evening sky with stars in it.[172]
He had sent large shipments from Karachi in the 1990s for the refurbishment of Surrey Place.[59] He earlier had plans for a helipad, nine-hole golf course, and a polo pony paddock to be installed on the property.[59]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asif_Ali_Zardari

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He is only in Pakistan when he has to be - otherwise he's in Europe or Asia. He's the ultimate dilettante; and has been (as expected) a disaster for Pakistan.

So who is going to "go out yelling"?  Certainly not Zardari, the useful tool for now, who can't wait to 'go out'. This is someone who does not care about Pakistan or the Pakistani people. He cares only for himself and money. He's there to help move Pakistan into full globalist control; he represents the international banksters and is in power to serve their needs, until he can walk away with his pockets full of gold.

The only people yelling out are the bloggers, Pakistani ex-pats who are screaming... is anyone listening?

==================

I wanted to provide the link to Pakalert Press - a blog by someone 'yelling out'.
Here's what I found...

"pakalert.wordpress.com is no longer available.
This blog has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of Service.
For questions or concerns, contact WordPress.com Support."

Here's one that's still up and running: http://theterrorland.blogspot.com/2010/12/who-killed-benazir-bhuttozardari-or.html


Tremendously helpful-things are making sense for me now. Thank you!
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2011, 08:27:46 AM »

To answer : "Question-Why isn't Pakistan screaming in the MSM that OBL wasn't killed there?"

Here is a couple of clues :



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_e3gDaHO8VLQ/SNVe5aCZm0I/AAAAAAAAGLU/jVGUx7qrXXI/s1600-h/marriot_hotel_crater.JPG



The blast, one of the worst acts of terrorism in Pakistan’s history, went off just a few hundred yards from the prime minister’s house, where all the leaders of government were dining after the president’s address to Parliament.
 - http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2008/09/pakistans-911-huge-truck-bomb-strikes.html

What was the content of the Presidents Address to Parliament in Pakistan ?

But he also warned that Pakistan would not abide further American military incursions into the border areas. “We will not tolerate the violation of our sovereignty and territorial integrity by any power in the name of combating terrorism,” he said in a comment that was broadly greeted by legislators, who loudly thumped on their desks to show their support.

His warning followed a strong statement last week by Pakistan’s military chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, warning that the country would defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity at all costs against any incursion.

- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/world/asia/21pstan.html?_r=1&ref=asia&oref=slogin
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2011, 08:48:54 AM »

I find it real odd that Pakistan is being really quite about the whole thing. Normally Pakistan is rebutting against the US for various incursions into Pakistan.  Why are they quite about this one?
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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2011, 08:58:58 AM »

I find it real odd that Pakistan is being really quite about the whole thing. Normally Pakistan is rebutting against the US for various incursions into Pakistan.  Why are they quite about this one?

Perhaps because they want to continue breathing and not get assassinated ?
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