AP: If we did not rape 3 year old children, Bin Laden would be alive

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Look at the treasonous pieces of absolute shit at Rothschild controlled Associated Press. They are spreading the most insane narrative imaginable. They actually are manufacturing a story which promotes more raping of children in front of their parents as if this heinous crime against humanity would actually assist in catching CIA owned fake terrorists like the frozen corpse of Bin Laden.


"If we did not rape 3 year old children, Bin Laden would be alive"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344
By ADAM GOLDMAN and MATT APUZZO Associated Press
WASHINGTON May 2, 2011 (AP)

When one of Osama bin Laden's most trusted aides picked up the phone last year, he unknowingly led U.S. pursuers to the doorstep of his boss, the world's most wanted terrorist. That monitored phone call, recounted Monday by a U.S. official, ended a years-long search for bin Laden's personal courier, the key break in a worldwide manhunt. The courier, in turn, led U.S. intelligence to a walled compound in northeast Pakistan, where a team of Navy SEALs shot bin Laden to death. The violent final minutes were the culmination of years of intelligence work. Inside the CIA team hunting bin Laden, it always was clear that bin Laden's vulnerability was his couriers. He was too smart to let al-Qaida foot soldiers, or even his senior commanders, know his hideout. But if he wanted to get his messages out, somebody had to carry them, someone bin Laden trusted with his life. Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, detainees in the CIA's secret prison network told interrogators about an important courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti who was close to bin Laden. After the CIA captured al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he confirmed knowing al-Kuwaiti but denied he had anything to do with al-Qaida. Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier. "Hassan Ghul was the linchpin," a U.S. official said. Finally, in May 2005, al-Libi was captured. Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier. But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as confirmation that he and Mohammed were protecting the courier. It only reinforced the idea that al-Kuwaiti was very important to al-Qaida. If they could find the man known as al-Kuwaiti, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history. "We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.
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Hersh: children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos
http://boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh-children-raped.html
Posted by Xeni Jardin, July 15, 2004 12:22 PM

From Daily Kos' partial transcript of a video (link to REAL stream) of Seymour Hersh speaking at an ACLU event. He says the US government has videotapes of children being raped at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

" Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

Link (via Warren). There's also a piece worth reading in this week's Newsweek about new allegations of rape and sexual torture at Abu Ghraib. Feature includes details on the identities of the Iraqi prisoners shown in those widely-circulated photographs -- including Satar Jabar (charged with carjacking, not terrorism), whose iconic hooded figure with wires attached is derisively described by many Iraqis as the "Statue of Liberty." Link

Update: Geraldine Sealey at Salon on Hersh's remarks:
After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse. (...)

Notes from a similar speech Hersh gave in Chicago in June were posted on Brad DeLong's blog. Rick Pearlstein, who watched the speech, wrote: "[Hersh] said that after he broke Abu Ghraib people are coming out of the woodwork to tell him this stuff. He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, 'You haven't begun to see evil...' then trailed off. He said, 'horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run.' He looked frightened."

There are several questions here: Has Hersh actually seen the video he described to the ACLU, and why hasn't he written about it yet? Will he be forced to elaborate in more public venues now that these two speeches are getting so much attention, at least in the blogosphere? And who else has seen the video, if it exists -- will journalists see and report on it? did senators see these images when they had their closed-door sessions with the Abu Ghraib evidence? -- and what is being done about it?

Update 2: BB guestbar alum Russ Kick of Memory Hole reminds us of a post he made in May about the type of as-yet-unreleased evidence Hersh is presumably discussing. Here, Russ quotes Republican Senator Lindsay Graham:

"The American public needs to understand, we're talking about rape and murder here. We're not just talking about giving people a humiliating experience. We're talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges."

Update 3: BoingBoing reader Lars has an update from Germany -- some European media perspective on the allegations:

"Report Mainz" is a German TV show/magazine of the SWR (Sudwest-Rundfunk = South-West broadcasting). "Report Mainz" reported already on 5th July 2004 about the potential abuse of children in Abu Ghraib. (Link). A video (in German) of the feature is available at the page (Link to streaming Real file). You can see interviews with persons who testify that they have seen children arrested in Abu Ghraib and who have seen and have heard of a boy and a 12 year old girl terrified (cold water and mud were spilled over them) by guards or military personal. The boy and the girl were then used to terrify their also arrested parents who were willing to cooperate after seeing their children terrified by the guards/military personnel.

Another TV show/magazine covered the issue too: "Kulturzeit", of the German-Austrian-Swiss broadcaster "3Sat" (Link). The main theme in these features is the concern about the fact that children are arrested and that they are used to apply pressure on their parents."

UPDATE: Evidence to support Hersh's claims in the Taguba Report
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Seymour Hersh: Children raped on camera in front of women at Abu Ghraib.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/05/14/731112/-Seymour-Hersh:-Children-raped-on-camera-in-front-of-women-at-Abu-Ghraib-How-bad-are-these-photos
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    " Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."

    For the record, the videos and acts described by Mr. Hersh are not the same ones President Obama decided to withhold yesterday. We do not know if they are worse, but we should assume the worst and make our call for justice that much louder until we know exactly what was done by the Bush/Cheney Junta.

    The quote from above comes from a Salon.com report by Alex Koppelman.

    After Donald Rumsfeld testified on the Hill about Abu Ghraib in May, there was talk of more photos and video in the Pentagon's custody more horrific than anything made public so far. "If these are released to the public, obviously it's going to make matters worse," Rumsfeld said. Since then, the Washington Post has disclosed some new details and images of abuse at the prison. But if Seymour Hersh is right, it all gets much worse.

    Hersh gave a speech last week to the ACLU making the charge that children were sodomized in front of women in the prison, and the Pentagon has tape of it. The speech was first reported in a New York Sun story last week, which was in turn posted on Jim Romenesko's media blog, and now EdCone.com and other blogs are linking to the video. We transcribed the critical section here (it starts at about 1:31:00 into the ACLU video.) At the start of the transcript here, you can see how Hersh was struggling over what he should say:

salon.com
   
   This was written about back in 2004 here on DKos by gryn. The title of the diary was Kids sodomized at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has the videos - Hersh and it received 430 comments. This link was included in the article I quoted above.

    Let me ask you this. What makes our soldiers face harm needlessly? Making public tapes of criminal behavior that was ignored under Bush/Cheney? Or sending those same troops to an illegal war of aggression based on false evidence that was gathered by torturing people?

    America needs to grow up fast. There is no place for hiding our heads in the sand. There is no place for looking the other way. There is no way to move forward if we leave this crime against humanity un-punished behind us. To do so is criminally negligent, and it guarantees two things. It guarantees that we will torture again and it guarantees that we will go to war needlessly and without evidence again.

    If you need more evidence the ACLU has plenty of it, all gained through the same sort of FOIA requests that Obama has advised WH lawyers to fight against. Evidence like this.

    Allegations, with evidence lacking of rape of Iraqi civilian women, assault of EPWs in custody and other "Geneva Convention violations, specifically, shooting wounded Iraqi soldiers." Reports follow on additional offenses and victims

DoD report  7/2004

and this

    Karpinski testifies that she visited cell blocks 1A and 1B regularly (AG 80, 89); that AGP housed juveniles detainees, including a detainee who "looked like he was 8-years old." The juvenile told her that "his brother was there with him, but he really wanted to see his mother, could he please call his mother. He was crying"

DoD memo

    Read through the released evidence at the ACLU's website. There is a lot of info like this. Too much. This can never be allowed to happen again.

    Here is the fact. If President Obama will not release the torture photos we should assume that they depict things even your worst nightmares could not imagine. We must assume the worst, as though these pictures show hell on earth. If these pictures depict rape or worse they can not be released. If not, they must be released. If President Obama will not release them on the grounds that they are so bad it will further place the troops at harm, there is only one logical step to take.

     Name a Special Prosecutor to Investigate and Prosecute Bush/Cheney et al immediately.
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Seymour Hersh: US Hiding Abu Ghraib Child Rape Evidence
http://narus.info/?p=587
By sponson, on July 15th, 2004

For the 4th time in public that I am aware of, Seymour Hersh has mentioned the existence of video of Iraqi boys being raped in US-run occupied Abu Ghraib: This page has a synopsis of his recent speech, and here is the streaming video. I believe this is the first time he’s said the US has the video in their possession though. This video would have been among the “materials” seen by the Senate in a bizarre members-only 3 hour session in May; and reviewed by GW Bush at the Pentagon just before he came out and made a ringing endorsement of Donald Rumsfeld. Think about what that says about Bush.
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Raping children was ok, but an actual intelligence unit exposing the synthetic terrorism complex was shut down in 2006 probably because it was a conflict of interest for the banksters.

C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden on Independence Day 2006
The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/04/washington/04intel.html
By MARK MAZZETTI Published: July 4, 2006

The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said. The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."  The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.  Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened. Instead, the officials said, it reflects a belief that the agency can better deal with high-level threats by focusing on regional trends rather than on specific organizations or individuals.  "The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever," said Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a C.I.A. spokeswoman. "This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus."

The decision to close the unit was first reported Monday by National Public Radio. Michael Scheuer, a former senior C.I.A. official who was the first head of the unit, said the move reflected a view within the agency that Mr. bin Laden was no longer the threat he once was.  Mr. Scheuer said that view was mistaken. "This will clearly denigrate our operations against Al Qaeda," he said. "These days at the agency, bin Laden and Al Qaeda appear to be treated merely as first among equals."  In recent years, the war in Iraq has stretched the resources of the intelligence agencies and the Pentagon, generating new priorities for American officials. For instance, much of the military's counterterrorism units, like the Army's Delta Force, had been redirected from the hunt for Mr. bin Laden to the search for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed last month in Iraq.  An intelligence official who was granted anonymity to discuss classified information said the closing of the bin Laden unit reflected a greater grasp of the organization. "Our understanding of Al Qaeda has greatly evolved from where it was in the late 1990's," the official said, but added, "There are still people who wake up every day with the job of trying to find bin Laden."

Established in 1996, when Mr. bin Laden's calls for global jihad were a source of increasing concern for officials in Washington, Alec Station operated in a similar fashion to that of other agency stations around the globe. The two dozen staff members who worked at the station, which was named after Mr. Scheuer's son and was housed in leased offices near agency headquarters in northern Virginia, issued regular cables to the agency about Mr. bin Laden's growing abilities and his desire to strike American targets throughout the world.  In his book "Ghost Wars," which chronicles the agency's efforts to hunt Mr. bin Laden in the years before the Sept. 11 attacks, Steve Coll wrote that some inside the agency likened Alec Station to a cult that became obsessed with Al Qaeda.  "The bin Laden unit's analysts were so intense about their work that they made some of their C.I.A. colleagues uncomfortable," Mr. Coll wrote. Members of Alec Station "called themselves 'the Manson Family' because they had acquired a reputation for crazed alarmism about the rising Al Qaeda threat." Intelligence officials said Alec Station was disbanded after Robert Grenier, who until February was in charge of the Counterterrorist Center, decided the agency needed to reorganize to better address constant changes in terrorist organizations.
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AP If we did not rape 3 year old children Bin Laden would be alive
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2011, 06:33:28 PM »
Well if the torture was a few yes agonthen sure but it was nearly a decade ago, and the CIa hasn't admitted it created a lead.  If it did then why did bush sit on the lead for 7 years? Or is Obama just that good that he can just look at 9 yr old docs and find bin laden?