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« on: April 30, 2011, 12:47:31 PM »

Ron Paul is the only person that really came out ahead when the birth certificate card was played.

He stoically refrained from joining the birthers, and to me it seems like a very good maneuver retrospectively.
Now he can just put himself above all the noise.

There are many videos where he distanced himself from the birthers. Here is one. Notice all the thumbs down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Porel0FMEHU

It would have been such an easy and cheap point to make at the time. It is typical politics to make cheap points where it is possible.
It is almost like he knew that this would backfire. But I guess it is more that he is old and wise.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 12:53:30 PM »

Yeah, and Trump is saying a few Ron Paul things in a more Trumpian way. I wonder if he is there to steal the show from Ron?
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2011, 12:56:34 PM »

Ron Paul let's other more adamant Constitutionalists do his fighting for him while he plays the role of politcal diplomat.

Much like Lincoln wanted to free all the slaves but only "politically" freed the slaves in the Confederate States cuz there were some Union States that still had slavery that he needed their support.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2011, 01:00:27 PM »

Well, he does have his hands full bringing the Federal Reserve boyz under control, since they are incapable of doing it themselves! This is the head of the snake, and that should rightfully get his main attention!

Everyone has to pick their project and go after it! There are plenty of scams to keep different groups busy, and thats whats happening! The Ron Paul troops are very active, and very awake!

The Elite gods are finally getting the ridicule they deserve, as well as the daylight shown on their scandalous actions! And it's about time!

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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2011, 01:32:46 PM »

Yes.  Ron Paul was smart not to go into the birther issue. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2011, 01:53:17 PM »

Sure Phil Berg and Orly Taitz had it handled.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2011, 03:11:45 PM »

 Trump turned a legitimate quest for the truth into a smear, a dirty trick.
 The stigma will endure..
Come on folks, this guy is not motivated by constitutionaly, hes on another wave length.
 Businessmen, opportunists, money, connections, the inside track, there is more going on here!
 RP played it the right way, in fact the only way for a guy with some honor.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2011, 03:16:56 PM »

Yeah I suspected Trump as being part of the elitist's ploys.

The whole Birth Certificate thing was just another scam in which Trump did his lead role real well.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2011, 03:41:56 PM »

Personally I'm quite fond of pointing out that Obama could be impeached without even considering the birth certificate issue. That's why it really doesn't matter and is likely a PSYOP. Thank God Ron Paul knows how to keep his eye on the ball and not get distracted by sideshows.
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2011, 02:02:29 PM »

This birther business is hardly a side-show.

All legislation Obama passes into law will be invalid becuase of his lack of citizenship.

It is the same way with William Howard Taft from Ohio.  Natural born in Ohio but Ohio wasn't a state when he was President.  So therefore all the legislation that bears his signature is invalid.

16th Amendment improperly ratified.‏

This is my absolute favorite anti-income-tax argument. Most claims that Americans aren't required to pay income tax rely on legal interpretations so tortured only a tax resister could possibly believe them. But the Ohio thing has just enough plausibility to give even sane people pause.
It all started when Ohio was preparing to celebrate the 150th anniversary of its admission to the Union in 1953. Researchers looking for the original statehood documents discovered there'd been a little oversight. While Congress had approved Ohio's boundaries and constitution, it had never passed a resolution formally admitting the future land of the Buckeyes. Technically, therefore, Ohio was not a state.
Predictably, when this came to light it was the subject of much merriment. One senator joshingly suggested that his colleagues from Ohio were drawing federal paychecks under false pretenses.
But Ohio congressman George Bender thought it was no laughing matter. He introduced a bill in Congress to admit Ohio to the Union retroactive to March 1, 1803. At a special session at the old state capital in Chillicothe the Ohio state legislature approved a new petition for statehood that was delivered to Washington on horseback. Congress subsequently passed a joint resolution, and President Eisenhower, after a few more jokes, signed it on August 7, 1953.
But then the tax resisters got to work. They argued that since Ohio wasn't officially a state until 1953, its ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1911 was invalid, and thus Congress had no authority to enact an income tax.
Baloney, argued rational folk. A sufficient number of states voted for ratification even if you don't count Ohio.
OK, said the resisters, but the proposed amendment had been introduced to Congress by the administration of William H. Taft. Taft had been born in Cincinnati, Ohio, in 1857. The Constitution requires that presidents be natural-born citizens of the United States. Since Ohio was not a state in 1857, Taft was not a natural-born citizen, could not legally be president, and could not legally introduce the 16th Amendment. (Presumably one would also have problems with anything done by presidents Grant, Hayes, Garfield, B. Harrison, McKinley, and Harding, who were also born in Ohio.)
Get off it, the rationalists replied. The 1953 resolution retroactively admitted Ohio as of 1803, thereby rendering all subsequent events copacetic.
Uh-uh, said the resisters. The constitution says the Congress shall make no ex post facto law. That means no retroactive admissions to statehood.
Uh, we'll get back to you on that, said the rationalists.
A call to the IRS elicited the following official statement: "The courts have . . . rejected claims that the Sixteenth Amendment . . . was not properly ratified. . . . In Porth v. Brodrick, 214 F.2d 925 (10th Circuit 1954), the court dismissed an attack on the Sixteenth Amendment as being 'clearly unsubstantial and without merit,' as well as 'far fetched and frivolous.'"
Just one problem. The Porth decision didn't specifically address the Ohio argument. It just sort of spluttered that attacks on the 16th Amendment were stupid.
OK, they're stupid. But great matters have turned on seemingly sillier points of law. It's not like the Ohio argument couldn't have been defeated on the merits. One suspects that from a legal standpoint "ex post facto" doesn't mean exactly the same thing as "retroactive." And of course the weight of 150 years of history, during which time everyone thought Ohio had been properly admitted, ought to count for something.
I'm not defending the crackpots. But if you're a parent you recognize that "because I said so" isn't much of an argument. Guess it's different if you're a judge.

 
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« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2011, 04:37:38 PM »

Unfortunately that "not ratified" argument isn't recognized by the United States courts.
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