The 1958 Takeover of the Catholic Church

[GilbertK]

The 1958 Takeover of the Catholic Church

There was coup d'etat in the Catholic Church on October 26th, 1958 and the Church has been governed by imposters since that time.

 Is this really that important? In my opinion it is. The Catholic Church is the largest and oldest institution on earth with roughly a billion nominal members, roughly 3 times the population of the United States.

 Since 1958 however, despite the numbers, the institution has been largely ineffective in combating the social ills they had so effectively handled for centuries. Abortion, pornography, divorce, obscenity all became prominent after the papal chair was usurped in 1958.

 To demonstrate the power of the Church before this, look at the time when Pius XII excommunicated President Peron of Argentina in 1955 when he tried to contradict the constitution and allow divorce.

As a result of the excommunication, the populace of Argentina rose up and Peron was removed from office and Catholic teaching was upheld.  Who would have thought that 50 years later Argentina would be legalizing “gay marriage.”
 
Also, for those familiar with Catholicism you may know that the original Mass, which can be traced back to the 4th century (but could very well be apostolic in origin), was abandoned in 1969 to make way for a "new mass," A ceremony that bears little resemblance to the traditional Mass. Again, who would want to destroy the sacred rite but an enemy agent masquerading as Pope.

Part 8 The Destruction of the Mass  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdIDIOwjGN4

To find out why the “Catholic” Church of today has become a sick caricature of the Catholic Church of two millennia we have to look back to the papal conclave of 1958. I believe the documentary posted below will provide the key to understanding what has happened.
 
At the center of the film is the election of the conservative prelate, Cardinal Giuseppe Siri, in 1958. What you will see in this section is a very clear emission of white smoke from the Sistine Chapel 2 days before the election of John XXIII. On this night 200,000 people turned to the balcony to see the new pope emerge on the balcony while news reports went out around the world that a new pope had been elected.

Vatican radio later announced that the white smoke was a mistake and that no Pope had been elected. In this section you will also hear the testimony of an FBI Consultant that claims there are FBI and State Department files which state that on this night Cardinal Siri was elected Pope and took the name Gregory XVII. In addition, former papal advisor Father Malachi Martin gives his testimony that Cardinal Siri was elected and was put under duress in at least 2 if not 3 conclaves. This is the centerpiece of the film (part 4) which is about 10 minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMtMbe6odh4

Looking at one incident, however, does not give one the perspective they need to see that the church has been hijacked. The very clear signal that a pope had been elected 2 days before John XXIII emerged on the balcony is very suspicious, but in itself does not provide enough reason to believe that the Chair of Peter was stolen. To arrive at a clear conclusion on this, one must take several things into account.

Historical Precedents

The papacy does get usurped. In the history of the Catholic Church the papacy has been usurped more than 40 times, which is easily verifiable by getting a list of anti-popes. In the movie we highlight the case of Innocent II who was elected pope and then forced to flee by an imposter pope, Anacletus II. Anacletus II ruled for 8 years until his death, upon which, Innocent ascended to the papal throne many years late. Anacletus and all the clergy ordained by him were then condemned at the second Lateran Council.

The Men Who Took Over

The men who took office instead of Cardinal Siri, namely John XXIII ( Angelo Roncalli) and Paul VI (Giovanni Montini) we’re more just bad apples.

JOHN XXIII

John XXIII’s Masonic initiation is described in detail in Pier Carpi’s book the “The Prophecies of John XXIII” and there is a vast amount of evidence and testimony that he was indeed a Mason. For this alone he would be ipso facto excommunicated and obviously ineligible for the Papacy. Upon his election, he immediately made Montini (future Paul VI) a Cardinal and called the Second Vatican Council, two of the most disastrous decisions in the history of the Catholic Church.

 He also received Nikita Khrushchev’s son-in-law and daughter at the Vatican in a private meeting, this is after communist regimes around the world murdered and imprisoned millions of Catholics. The well publicized meeting earned an extra million votes for the communist party in Italy in the national elections. John XXIII also began introducing changes to the Mass, changes that would culminate in the complete destruction of the Tridentine Latin Mass under Paul VI.

Part 5 Who was John XXIII?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOgD0Yyoqts

Paul VI

Paul VI, who never spent so much as a day a parish priest before becoming Pope, enjoyed reading books by Oscar Wilde during his seminary days. This wouldn’t seem so bad if it weren’t for the multiple public accusations of sodomy against him that emerged during and after his pontificate. If this wasn’t bad enough, ex-member of the Vatican noble guard, Franco Bellegrandi recounts in his book Nikita Roncalli that Pius XII conducted a secret investigation and found out that Montini, then secretary of state, was providing names of priests operating behind the iron curtain to the Soviet secret police. The priests were then shot or sent to the gulag.
 
Part 7 Who was Paul VI?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeEkSJukLaw

Indeed these two men were not simply “bad popes,” nor did they become pope and then lose their faith. They were enemy agents who set the Church on a carefully designed plan to destruction.
Once the treachery of these two men has been established, the 3 week period between the death of Pius XII (a true pope) and the so-called election of John XXIII (an imposter) become crucial. Did anything significant happen between these two dates? Yes, there was a five minute signal indicating a pope had been elected billowing out of the Sistine Chapel two days before John XXIII emerged on the balcony in St. Peter’s Square.  Was the true pope elected on this night, and was he Cardinal Siri? I’ll point to three sources that say this is exactly what happened.

Paul L. Williams

FBI informant Paul Williams in his book The Vatican Exposed quotes State department files that state Cardinal Giuseppe Siri was elected and took the name Gregory XVII on Sunday October 26th but the French Cardinal annulled the results .

Fr. Malachi Martin

Fr. Malachi Martin in an interview in the late nineties says that Siri got enough votes to become Pope but refused the office because he thought they would not let him live.

Fr. Charles-Roux

Father Charles-Roux claims that Joseph Cardinal Siri of Genoa had been elected and also accepted the Papal office, but a very serious threat was delivered by the dean of the College of Cardinals (Cardinal Tisserant) and that Siri was immediately shoved aside, without actually abdicating.

Here we have three individuals claiming that Cardinal Siri was elected and was subject to some kind of threat. This along with Cardinal Siri’s indirect admissions (twice) that he was elected pope make a very good case that the person who was elected when the white smoke emerged on October 26th, 1958, was Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa.

Furthermore there is a great deal of evidence that Cardinal Roncalli and the whole 1958 affair was planned by unholy forces, which is described in Part 3 of the film.

Part III The Chosen Candidate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giVuud52ijY

Those who have trouble believing that Cardinal Siri was elected seem to want an admission from the forces of darkness who captured the papacy and a detailed explanation of how they did it. Others expect that Siri would come out and claim that he was pope, when obviously nobody would believe it, even if he did manage to get the word out before being eliminated.

Lastly, the film will give some basic instructions on how to find traditional churches, priests, catechisms, etc and give a word or two on activism.

Part XII The Underground Church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTPZZLvFANo

The film is otherwise broken down into 12 parts, the subject matter of each part described in the title.

Part 1 Historical Precedents  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQBP9HmZDGk
Part 2 October 1958  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qikkoocqgUE
Part 3 The Chosen Candidate  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giVuud52ijY
Part 4 The 1958 Conclave  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQp00j4H3Kg
Part 5 Who was John XXIII?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOgD0Yyoqts
Part 6 The 1963 Conclave  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCBNwhnHius
Part 7 Who was Paul VI?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeEkSJukLaw
Part 8 The Destruiction of the Mass  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdIDIOwjGN4
Part 9 Year of Two Conclaves  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvUWfaXG9lk
Part 10 Cardinal Siri Confronted  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGk14Fau41U
Part 11 Conclusion  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8wdrmFxSBQ
Part 12 The UndergroundChurch  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTPZZLvFANo

[DAVIDE MTL]

thanks will take a look

[GilbertK]

McCarthy,

Let me try to be as clear as possible. I believe that the The Holy Roman Catholic Church was instituted by Jesus Christ and the Pope is Christ's representative on Earth (the Vicar of Christ).

Anyone who claims to be Roman Catholic must accept this, otherwise, by definition, he is not Roman Catholic.

What my article and the corresponding videos try explain is that the people running the Vatican now are impostors, they are dressed up in costumes masquerading as leaders of the Church.

I am also pinpointing the exact moment when they took over, October 26th, 1958, at 6pm.

The Church had been infiltrated to a large degree before that but the Mass and the teachings were still intact. From this point on, what most people know as the Catholic Church has been in the hands of the enemy.

That fellow who was Pope for 33 days was John Paul I (Albino Luciani). I believe he did try to clean house and was eliminated. The book that makes details the events surrounding his death is called In God's Name by David Yallop. It has sold several million copies.

The film covers his election and the subsequent 33 days of his pontificate here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvUWfaXG9lk

[WakeUpAmerica]

McCarthy,

Let me try to be as clear as possible. I believe that the The Holy Roman Catholic Church was instituted by Jesus Christ and the Pope is Christ's representative on Earth (the Vicar of Christ).

Anyone who claims to be Roman Catholic must accept this, otherwise, by definition, he is not Roman Catholic.

What my article and the corresponding videos try explain is that the people running the Vatican now are impostors, they are dressed up in costumes masquerading as leaders of the Church.

I am also pinpointing the exact moment when they took over, October 26th, 1958, at 6pm.

The Church had been infiltrated to a large degree before that but the Mass and the teachings were still intact. From this point on, what most people know as the Catholic Church has been in the hands of the enemy.

That fellow who was Pope for 33 days was John Paul I (Albino Luciani). I believe he did try to clean house and was eliminated. The book that makes details the events surrounding his death is called In God's Name by David Yallop. It has sold several million copies.

The film covers his election and the subsequent 33 days of his pontificate here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvUWfaXG9lk

How can you justify calling a man "Holy Father". I find that to be absurdly blasphemous along with the worship of saints and idols. How can you justify this as a professed Christian?

[GilbertK]

How can you justify calling a man "Holy Father". I find that to be absurdly blasphemous along with the worship of saints and idols. How can you justify this as a professed Christian?

I was hoping to avoid a theological debate on this thread, I understand not everyone accepts the Catholic Church or their teachings. The point I'm trying to make is that the Church is run by people who are not Catholic, whether the Catholic churches teachings of the last 2000 years are right or not is another argument.

[Dok]

1958? are you serious? Heck i would go all the way back to when Constantine created the catholic church. 1958  guess you support the Dominican wars and murders, oh and lets not forget the Holy Office, better known as the Inquisition. 1958,  the Catholic church has always been an inherently evil institution. Pius the 12th as a good guy? ROFL!!

Understanding Roman Catholicism
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp

The Two Babylons
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/

Queen of All
http://www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/Queen.pdf

[WakeUpAmerica]

What's the symbolic nature of that hat?

[Dok]

What's the symbolic nature of that hat?

same hats were worn in Babylon for the priests of Dagon. The Catholic church is the Babylonian Religion, in every way shape and form, all they did was change the name.

[WakeUpAmerica]

same hats were worn in Babylon for the priests of Dagon. The Catholic church is the Babylonian Religion, in every way shape and form, all they did was change the name.

Sometimes I intentionally take the perspective that there is no conspiracies ever and that everything is purely incidental and coincidental but in doing so I come upon the fact that there is no real way this can be true and that it would have to mean the powers that be are intentionally screwing with every conspiracy theorist on Earth just adding fuel to the fire. This would be via the EU tower of Babel, what you mentioned, Maitreya, etc. etc.

[Dok]

Sometimes I intentionally take the perspective that there is no conspiracies ever and that everything is purely incidental and coincidental but in doing so I come upon the fact that there is no real way this can be true and that it would have to mean the powers that be are intentionally screwing with every conspiracy theorist on Earth just adding fuel to the fire. This would be via the EU tower of Babel, what you mentioned, Maitreya, etc. etc.

you lost me there.

[Krateros]

I am also pinpointing the exact moment when they took over, October 26th, 1958, at 6pm.

Welcome to the discussions, GilbertK, and, in case you are named in his honor, I, too, am a sometimes fan of the witty Chesterton (though I am not Catholic and never have been).  With that said, I understand that some sedevacantists and SSPX-types consider Malachi Martin, whom you mentioned above, a tool of Jewry, a double agent, and therefore take his ideas cum grano salis, but, until I get a chance to review your material in detail, I wonder if this date and time correspond at all to his claim that there was a ceremony, or ritual, during which Lucifer was enthroned at the Vatican?  It's been a long time since I read any of this stuff, but, as I imperfectly recall (from, was it, Martin's book, Windswept House?), I think the ceremony is said to have taken place in the State of Georgia and was concurrent with the naming of a new pope in Rome.

[GilbertK]

I did take this username in honor of Chesterton.

As far as Malachi Martin, I think he was a tool in his earlier days. In fact he states clearly that he was. I feel quite certain however that he came around. I have a number of interviews that he did on a variety of subjects, and the way he lays everything out in simple language makes it clear to me that he was trying to let people in on the truth.

I haven't read Windswept House but there is a list out there of the characters of the book and who they really are. You probably know the book, according to Martin is 90 percent non-fiction.

I know he claimed Satan was enthroned in the Vatican, not in the main basilica but in one of the smaller ones. everyone thought it was just crazy and then a few years later an African archbishop came out and said more or less the same thing.

[EvadingGrid]

same hats were worn in Babylon for the priests of Dagon. The Catholic church is the Babylonian Religion, in every way shape and form, all they did was change the name.

[America2]

Haven't you read the passage where it says if Satan is divided against itself, he cannot stand?

So what if the Masons infiltrated the Roman Catholic Church? The RCC was very rotten to begin with, and along comes another Satanic-runned team to highjack that? So what? It's still rotten to the core.

It's no different from Capitol Hill over whether the Republicans or Democrats are in control - both are on the same team, and Obama is every bit Bush Jr was. Democrats may be "pro-choice", but remember Republicans give their full support to pharmeceutical companies which have produced all these lethal vaccine shots and poison drugs, so both parties have heavily involved in genocide to begin with.

[Kilika]

1958? are you serious? Heck i would go all the way back to when Constantine created the catholic church. 1958   guess you support the Dominican wars and murders, oh and lets not forget the Holy Office, better known as the Inquisition. 1958,   the Catholic church has always been an inherently evil institution. Pius the 12th as a good guy? ROFL!!

Understanding Roman Catholicism
http://www.chick.com/reading/books/160/160cont.asp

The Two Babylons
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/

Queen of All
http://www.eternal-productions.org/PDFS/Queen.pdf

If memory serves me, what this person is refering to is a Cathilic dispute within their community. Seems I remember another person posting about this some time back. It's an in-house squabble. That other person was saying the RCC isn't the real Catholic church since then.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=50237.msg233021#msg233021

I can't speak for the New "Catholic Church" as I reject everything about the second vatican council.  Before Vatican II however, the church was opposed to the U.N., the NWO, and everything that was against the teachings of the church.   Believe it or not but Pope Pius XII's good name has been trudged through the mud since his death.  He was praised by the Jews and the rest of the world for all he did to help the jews during the holocaust.  The New York Times called him a lonely voice crying out in the dead of night.  He spoke openly against the Nazi's, against communism, against socialism, against fascism.  He was directly responsible for the saving of 860,000 Jews during the Holocaust.  In fact, if you look at the records of the number of deaths of jews during WWII in different parts of Europe, more than 80% of them survived in Rome and were under the protection of the Catholic church.  10 million Catholics were killed during WWII, some of which were sent to concentration camps for aiding the Jews.  The chief Rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism after the war because he was so overwhelmed by the selfless acts of the church for the sake of the jews, who were the arch enemy of the church.  If you want a great resource to tell you the facts about Pope Pius XII, one of the holiest and greatest Popes the church has ever been blessed with, read Rabbi Dalin's book "The Myth of Hitler's Pope". 
After Pius XII died, the freemasons infiltrated.  They started the SEcond Vatican Council, and practically erased every dogma and doctrine the church had up until then.  They called their new "Mass"  the NOVUS ORDO (New order).  Please try and think of it this way.  The church itself, it's teachings, it's dogmas and doctrines and beliefs, are not bad.  But every good organization will have a few rotten apples trying to spoil the bunch.

[Dok]

If memory serves me, what this person is refering to is a Cathilic dispute within their community. Seems I remember another person posting about this some time back. It's an in-house squabble. That other person was saying the RCC isn't the real Catholic church since then.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=50237.msg233021#msg233021

Ya hes just following in her footsteps, still they believe the Catholic church was all great and grandeur before Vat 2. Please  its always been a haven of evil

[Kilika]

Indeed, evil and corrupt from day one.

[America2]

Indeed, evil and corrupt from day one.

As evil and corrupt the Vatican is, I'm shocked that once upon a time ago, they rejected Freemasonry(even though Freemasonry came out of the Jesuits, and the New Age movement came out of Freemasonry/Jesuits to boot).

My take on this is all of these evil entities that are working separately are now coming together as one, as this OWG antichrist dictatorship is drawning nearer.

[Krateros]

I was hoping to avoid a theological debate on this thread, I understand not everyone accepts the Catholic Church or their teachings. The point I'm trying to make is that the Church is run by people who are not Catholic, whether the Catholic churches teachings of the last 2000 years are right or not is another argument.

Haven’t these Dagon fish-head arguments convinced you of anything yet?  

[yon]

Matthew 23:9
 "And do not call anyone [in the church] on earth father........"

[DAVIDE MTL]

Haven't you read the passage where it says if Satan is divided against itself, he cannot stand?

So in your eyes Satan started the Catholic Church? We're in a spiritual battlle between forces of evil and good. Believe it or not there have been good God fearing catholic priests and bishops, they destroyed the church from within by primarily allowing the homosexual priests to run wild. According to Alan Watt the last institution from the New world order perspective that was in their way was the Catholic Church.  I never got confirmation but he did mention the Aldous Huxley interview with Wallace.

[Krateros]

... I haven't read Windswept House but there is a list out there of the characters of the book and who they really are. You probably know the book, according to Martin is 90 percent non-fiction.

Yes.  I read it.  I had to remind myself that, in the novel, Martin had the parallel ceremony of Lucifer's enthronement happening not in the state of Georgia, as I said above, but rather South Carolina.  I mention that for what it is worth and to note my error.

[America2]

So in your eyes Satan started the Catholic Church? We're in a spiritual battlle between forces of evil and good. Believe it or not there have been good God fearing catholic priests and bishops, they destroyed the church from within by primarily allowing the homosexual priests to run wild. According to Alan Watt the last institution from the New world order perspective that was in their way was the Catholic Church.  I never got confirmation but he did mention the Aldous Huxley interview with Wallace.

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13  Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15  Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16  Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17  And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18  There is no fear of God before their eyes.

[DAVIDE MTL]

Rom 3:10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13  Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14  Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15  Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16  Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17  And the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18  There is no fear of God before their eyes.

is this supposed to prove the Catholic church was started by Satan? you lost me

[America2]

Non-KJV versions started by the Vatican
http://vimeo.com/17489459

[America2]

is this supposed to prove the Catholic church was started by Satan? you lost me

Will post more scripture after this post. Just follow along.

Rev 12:3  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:7  And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8  And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Rev 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

[America2]

Rev 13:1  And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Rev 17:3  So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4  And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5  And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6  And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7  And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8  The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 17:9  And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. <-- Rome sits on 7 hills

[America2]

http://scatteredchristians.org/WescottHort.html

The King James Bible New Testament comes from the Majority Text (that is, from those manuscripts that agree with each other and are most prevalent.)  Unlike the translators of 1611, Westcott and Hort rejected the Majority Text and relied heavily on the Alexandrian manuscripts which included the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts.  These two men regarded the Vaticanus and Sinaiticus as authoritative, yet these two manuscripts disagree with each other over 3,000 times in the Gospels alone.  These two manuscripts have greatly influenced every modern version on the market today and form the basis for 99% of them.

Westcott and Hort changed the Greek text of the Textus Receptus in 5,337 instances.

[America2]

http://www.kingjamesvideoministries.com/apps/videos/videos/show/13276032-a-lamp-in-the-dark-the-untold-history-of-the-bible

A Lamp in the Dark is an exciting new documentary that unfolds the fascinating "untold" history of the Bible, revealing critical information often overlooked in modern histories. Enter into a world of saints and martyrs battling against spies, assassins and wolves in sheep's clothing. Throughout the Middle Ages, the Papal Inquisition forbade biblical translation, threatening imprisonment and death to those who disobeyed. Learn the stories of valiant warriors of the faith, such as John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, Martin Luther, the ancient Waldenses, Albigenses and others who hazarded their lives for the sake of sharing the Gospel light with a world drowning in darkness. Once the common people were able to read the Bible, the world was turned upside down through the Protestant Reformation. The Reformers subdued whole kingdoms by preaching the grace of God, and exposing the unbiblical doctrines of Rome. In response, the Vatican would launch a Counter Reformation to destroy the work of the Reformers, including the bibles they produced.

[GilbertK]

Here is a genuine Catholic Bishop speaking out against 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7fjGxfNsKk

He speaks quite eloquently as well, I might add.

I would certainly be happy if he became Pope

Under duress the bulk of Church leaders, Catholic or otherwise will succumb. I'll give you the founding of the Church of England as an example, how many bishops or priests went to their deaths defying Henry the 8th? I know of one, Thomas More.

[Kilika]

I certainly don't mean to insult anyone but the fish outfit argument is absolutely false.

Different symbols have been used by various groups to represent different things. For instance, the swastika is used on Bhuddist temples, does this mean the Bhuada was a Nazi, does it mean Hitler was a Bhuddist? Of course not. When the Catholic Church took over they co-opted the pagan religions of the day, including many of their symbols, outfits whatever.

On another note, you have to realize that the bulk of Catholic teachings are "traditional," that is, they were traditions handed down from the apostles. Many of the Church's teachings/doctrines come from the Bible but the sacraments (the Mass) and the Apostles Creed for example were handed down orally. "Sacred tradition" is the term I believe. The earliest records of the Apostles Creed (the summary of the Catholic Faith) date back to around 100AD.

The Bible as we know it was not compiled until around 400AD by a man called ST. Jerome. St. Jerome was a Catholic. So how did Christianity flourish in these earliest centuries without even a Bible to refer to? Through the oral teachings taught to the Apostles by Jesus and handed down by the priests ordained by them. There was no printing press back in the time of Christ, moreover the ability for Christians to write up copies and hand them out would be impossible as they were under heavy persecution. Logically, the earlier church was set up to be transmitted orally.

In 1969, the medical director for planned parenthood, Dr. Richard Day said their greatest enemy was the Catholic Church. This was related by another Doctor who was present during his speech.
You can find this information in an audio set called "The New Order of the Barbarians"

Bella Dodd, high level member of the CPUSA (communist party) who was expelled from the party and later returned to Catholicism said the communists greatest enemy was the Catholic Church.

There are numerous reference to the Masons referring to The Catholic Church as their "mortal enemy." Under canon law anyone joining a free masonic sect was ipso facto excommunicated from the Catholic Church. That is until recently.

IMO the key to defeating the NWO lies in getting the Catholic Church back. In fact it was the Church that kept these people at bay for the better part of 2000 years. I know many of you will not agree but offer you this as some of my reasoning.

No offense taken for you having a position on the matter. Open discourse leads to the truth.

So let's get to it. For starters...

When the Catholic Church took over they co-opted the pagan religions of the day, including many of their symbols, outfits whatever.

You basically agreed with the assertion that the RCC has adopted pagan practices. And yes, the Catholic "church" did take over, literally by the point of a sword. They didn't offer the gospel, they forced it on whole societies and nearly wiped out countless groups of non-Catholics. That is historical fact. And the outfits and various pagan rituals they practice in the RCC is called "leaven", which a little bit of leavens the whole bunch. That's in the bible too, but it seems the church ignored that part. That alone makes the RCC a false religion of itself. Jesus Himself asked if Satan can cast out Satan. The answer is no, it cannot. That's being double-minded.

You admit they have "co-opted" various pagan practices, so I ask where is the line? Pagan robes and rituals are okay in your mind, but if that's the case, then what would be wrong with "co-opting" such pagan practices as human sacrifice? Why isn't that okay? Or how about is it okay for nuns to cast spells on unruly members? The key is that scripture says "a little leaven...". The truth is that there is no room for any leaven, at all. No excuses. They claim that it's to be more acceptable tot he unbelievers, but that is actually a sign of a lack of faith on their part in God's ability to save people. They think, which is being under the law, that they save people by their actions. They completely ignore the Holy Ghost, who is the power, not man. Scripture itself says it is the Holy Ghost that teaches man and is the seal of salvation. God works THROUGH man. Remember that scriptures says that our righteousness is as filthy rags? There is no room for us to boast, as we have done nothing but believe and have faith. God gives the increase.

On another note, you have to realize that the bulk of Catholic teachings are "traditional," that is, they were traditions handed down from the apostles.

The first part is true, they are practicing the traditions of men, yet another undoctrinal practice that Jesus speaks against...

6   He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with [their] lips, but their heart is far from me. 
7   Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. 
8   For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 
9   And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. 
10   For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: 
11   But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free]. 
12   And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; 
13   Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Mark 7:6-13 (KJB)

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." Colossians 2:8 (KJB)

You say traditions handed down from the apostles, but I don't see anything they do that the apostles did or preached. Jesus Himself taught the disciples to not follow after traditions. What the RCC has been doing is claiming "church traditions" but when those traditions are examined, one finds they are works of the law and not grace. That didn't come from the apostles.

Just what "traditions" are you claiming was handed down?

These traditions, written or oral, are not sound doctrine, regardless of how the RCC came to practice them. It doesn't really matter inthe end how they were started, just compare them with scripture and the truth will emerge that they are doing the exact same thing that Jesus scolded the Jewish leaders for. What Jesus said to the them then applies not only to the RCC, but all, Catholic, Protestant, or any denomination of churchinanity...

1   Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 
2   Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 
3   All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 
4   For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. 
5   But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 
6   And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 
7   And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 
8   But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. 
9   And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 
10   Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ. 
11   But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 
12   And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 
13   But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 
14   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
15   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. 
16   Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 
17   [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 
18   And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 
19   [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 
20   Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 
21   And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 
22   And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. 
23   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 
24   [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 
25   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 
26   [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 
27   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. 
28   Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 
29   Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 
30   And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 
31   Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 
32   Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 
33   [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 
34   Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: 
35   That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 
36   Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 
37 ¶ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, [thou] that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under [her] wings, and ye would not! 
38   Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 
39   For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord. 
Matthew 23 (KJB)

The Bible as we know it was not compiled until around 400AD by a man called ST. Jerome. St. Jerome was a Catholic.

You mean the Catholic book, based on the Latin Vulgate, that is being falsely presented as the Word of God? That's is not what I call a bible. It's a perversion, a commentary.

They try to say they are the source, the go-to place for Jesus, and Jesus warned of that, when it is said that Jesus is here or there. Jesus said the kingdom of God is within you, not within the walls of the RCC or any other building. You say as far back as 100ad, but scripture itself says the disciples had their own documents before then...

"The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring [with thee], and the books, [but] especially the parchments." 2 Timothy 4:13 (KJB)

It does not say what those books and parchments were about, but considering the context of the letter and what those people were doing at that time, the odds are very great they related to the ministry, which suggests to me some of them were scriptures. I just find it hard to believe that with all the people that heard Jesus during His ministry that none of them wrote down stuff as it happened.

Consider just how anal the Jews are about the Hebrew text being exactly correct, and how Jesus scolded the Scribes, a known deliberate group of writers and we are suppose to believe that no followers of Jesus, who most were Jews, were not able to read and write? I don't buy it. I believe that Jesus' words were in fact written down as He went about His ministry. Jews understand the importance of the written word being correct, and I have no doubt there were people who wrote down what was going on among the followers of Jesus.

Logically, the earlier church was set up to be transmitted orally.

That may be the case with the RCC, but it was not suppose to be that way, and if it was, then the RCC is still in error because it begs the question why did the RCC come out with a book if it was by oral tradition through the priests? That's a huge contradition you can't explain away that disrespects the Word of God. But then the RCC doesn't believe the divinity of the Word.

Another point is you say the priests, but it's not suppose to be that way either. It's doctrinally incorrect. The "priests" weren't to keep the truth to themselves and withhold it from the masses. Scripture says "...freely ye have received, freely give".

"But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?" 1 John 3:17 (KJB)

IMO the key to defeating the NWO lies in getting the Catholic Church back.

Have you not read the bible? Oh, that's right, you don't read the Holy Bible, but some other book. If you would read the real scriptures, you'd know there is no saving the world, no defeating the NWO to protect this world. Only Jesus will defeat the NWO in the end, not man. Jesus' kingdom is not of this world, so we don't fight, at least not in the traditonal sense. The RCC is part of why the world is the way it is and part of the NWO antichrist system itself.

Planned Parenthood, Freemasonry, exorcisms? Again, can Satan cast out Satan? Nope. It's false battles they are waging to get people caught up in the affairs of this life, to distract them from walking in the Spirit.

"No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." 2 Timothy 2:4 (KJB)

[Dok]

Under duress the bulk of Church leaders, Catholic or otherwise will succumb. I'll give you the founding of the Church of England as an example, how many bishops or priests went to their deaths defying Henry the 8th? I know of one, Thomas More.

How many Christians did the catholic church murder just for owning the very words of God his Bible?

[Krateros]

Bella Dodd, high level member of the CPUSA (communist party) who was expelled from the party and later returned to Catholicism said the communists greatest enemy was the Catholic Church.

To corroborate, I noticed, too, when I read Maxim Gorky’s letter to Stalin, that, except to the extent that he thought the story of the Taborites and Hussites might be used to exploit class consciousness, it was not the otherwise presumably insignificant Protestants but rather the Catholic Church which, because it was both “powerful” and “politically significant,” had thus to be leveled so that Soviet Communism might succeed.  Notice, too, how Gorky’s strategy (of studying the history of the church as politics) has been adopted wholesale, by Stalinists and others worldwide, and, finally, how, ironically enough, the predominantly German Protestants of the Tubingen School forged a tool, the “higher criticism” of the Bible, which Gorky considered useful for the dismantling of Christianity as a whole.
   
Source (Gorky's letter to Stalin):
“For this reason, there should be courses set up at the Communist Academy which would not only treat the history of religion, and mainly the history of the Christian church, i.e., the study of church history as politics.

We need to know the "fathers of the church," the apologists of Christianity, especially indispensable to the study of the history of Catholicism, the most powerful and intellectual church organization whose political significance is quite clear. We need to know the history of church schisms, heresies, the Inquisition, the "religious" wars, etc. Every quotation by a believer is easily countered with dozens of theological quotations which contradict it.

We cannot do without an edition of the "Bible" with critical commentaries from the Tubingen school and books on criticism of biblical texts, which could bring a very useful "confusion into the minds" of believers.  There is a fine role to be played here by a popular book on the Taborites and the Husite movements. It would be useful to introduce here "The history of the peasant wars in Germany," the old book by Zimmerman. Carefully edited, it would be very useful for the minds.”

[GilbertK]

Thanks for that, there is a book out there called AA-1025: Memoirs of a Communist Infiltrator in the the Catholic Church, for anyone interested

http://www.amazon.com/Aa-1025-Memoirs-Communists-infiltration-Church/dp/0895554496/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1304207232&sr=1-1

The Communist infiltration of other demonitions is covered quite well James Wardner's Unholy Alliances, the headquarters for religious infiltration is the Rockafellar owned and operated Riverside Church in New York, which just happens to be accross the street from the World Council of Churches and in fact there is an underground tunnel connecting the two buildings.

[America2]

Did you bother to read any of the previous posts here? The Catholic Church was responsible for millions of Christian martyrs in the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church was responsible for putting out all these Non-KJV perverted versions which was inspired by Wescott and Hort in the late 1800's(whom both used texts from the Vatican).

And all this happened LONG before 1958. Again, shouldn't the perverted bible versions the Catholic Church put out be a much bigger issue that 1958?

I myself am not perfect, far from it - but can't tell you how the 1611 KJV has really saved me from the pit of Hell. The NIV, NKJV, NASB, and all these false bible versions have really wrecked Baptist/Protestant churches.

Thanks for that, there is a book out there called AA-1025: Memoirs of a Communist Infiltrator in the the Catholic Church, for anyone interested

http://www.amazon.com/Aa-1025-Memoirs-Communists-infiltration-Church/dp/0895554496/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1304207232&sr=1-1

The Communist infiltration of other demonitions is covered quite well James Wardner's Unholy Alliances, the headquarters for religious infiltration is the Rockafellar owned and operated Riverside Church in New York, which just happens to be accross the street from the World Council of Churches and in fact there is an underground tunnel connecting the two buildings.

[GilbertK]

Did you bother to read any of the previous posts here? The Catholic Church was responsible for millions of Christian martyrs in the Dark Ages. The Catholic Church was responsible for putting out all these Non-KJV perverted versions which was inspired by Wescott and Hort in the late 1800's(whom both used texts from the Vatican).

The Bible was compiled in the 4th century by St. Jerome (a Catholic). The idea that King James somehow improved on his work 1200 years later is ludicrous. It is protestant sects who have perverted the Bible and Christianity.

And all this happened LONG before 1958. Again, shouldn't the perverted bible versions the Catholic Church put out be a much bigger issue that 1958?

Do you have any idea how vast the history of the Catholic Church is. And as far as killing people protestants don't exactly have a stellar reputation in that regard either. Plus, I'd really like to know where you got this idea that Catholics were going around murdering millions of "Christians"

I myself am not perfect, far from it - but can't tell you how the 1611 KJV has really saved me from the pit of Hell. The NIV, NKJV, NASB, and all these false bible versions have really wrecked Baptist/Protestant churches.

I certainly believe that the KJV Bible saves many people, and I don't for a second doubt your sincerity or love of God, however there are many other things besides the Bible than you need to learn about.

[America2]

Did you read that post earlier on Wescott and Hort? They used DEAD Vatican texts to translate the Revised Versions. And they did so way back in the late 1800's(way before what happened in 1958, that is).

BTW - the KJV texts came out of Antioch(where pretty much the Apostles did their first ministries after Jesus Christ resurrected to be on the right hand of God). The other Revised corrupted Version texts came out of Alexandrian, Egypt, which ended up being found in the trash dump at the Vatican. End of story.

The Bible was compiled in the 4th century by St. Jerome (a Catholic). The idea that King James somehow improved on his work 1200 years later is ludicrous. It is protestant sects who have perverted the Bible and Christianity.  Do you have any idea how vast the history of the Catholic Church is. And as far as killing people protestants don't exactly have a stellar reputation in that regard either. Plus, I'd really like to know where you got this idea that Catholics were going around murdering millions of "Christians"
I certainly believe that the KJV Bible saves many people, and I don't for a second doubt your sincerity or love of God, however there are many other things besides the Bible than you need to learn about.

[GilbertK]

BTW - the KJV texts came out of Antioch(where pretty much the Apostles did their first ministries after Jesus Christ resurrected to be on the right hand of God). The other Revised corrupted Version texts came out of Alexandrian, Egypt, which ended up being found in the trash dump at the Vatican. End of story.

O contraire, the KJV was based largely on the DOUAY-RHEIMS BIBLE which was a miticulous word for word English translation of St. Jerome's  Latin Vulgate Bible. The translators of the KJV make specific reference to the Douay version in their translators’ preface. It is commonly acknowledged that, in preparing the KJV, the translators made use of the Rheims New Testament and adopted many of its readings. The Douay-Rheims new testament was published 30 years before the KJV.

Anyway, like I said before it's not just about the Bible. What about the Apostles Creed? That's what the apostles were teaching people, they weren't going around telling people to read the Bible because there was no Bible.

All this read the Bible like a maniac and ignore everything else started with Luther, therefore you are aptly called "Lutherans."

And how many different interpretations and factions have spawned out of his heresey?

[Dok]

The Bible was compiled in the 4th century by St. Jerome (a Catholic).

The Bible was in wide circulation by 100 Ad. Antioch was in full swing copying and sending out copies. All the Catholic church gave us was the writings of the Alexandrian cult.

The idea that King James somehow improved on his work 1200 years later is ludicrous. It is protestant sects who have perverted the Bible and Christianity.

Guess its a good thing King James didnt write the Bible.  protestants are just catholics 

 Do you have any idea how vast the history of the Catholic Church is.

Do you? Heck it can be traced all the way back to its roots, in Babylon.

And as far as killing people protestants don't exactly have a stellar reputation in that regard either.

Ya, but they didnt start a holy "Holy Office" to do it with. and again, a protestant is just a complaining catholic.

Plus, I'd really like to know where you got this idea that Catholics were going around murdering millions of "Christians"

You ah, dont seem to know your own "vast the history of the Catholic Church " how about the "Holy Office" or more commonly known as the inquisition.

I certainly believe that the KJV Bible saves many people, and I don't for a second doubt your sincerity or love of God, however there are many other things besides the Bible than you need to learn about.

Ohh, do tell please do tell.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

[Dok]

O contraire, the KJV was based largely on the DOUAY-RHEIMS BIBLE which was a miticulous word for word English translation of St. Jerome's  Latin Vulgate Bible. The translators of the KJV make specific reference to the Douay version in their translators’ preface. It is commonly acknowledged that, in preparing the KJV, the translators made use of the Rheims New Testament and adopted many of its readings. The Douay-Rheims new testament was published 30 years before the KJV.

    

That is so funny and an out right lie. None of the works of the Alexandrian Cult went into the KJB. the Vulgate? nope. The Douay? NOPE. None of it was used what so ever. http://bibles4free.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/kjb_chart.gif[/color]


Anyway, like I said before it's not just about the Bible. What about the Apostles Creed? That's what the apostles were teaching people, they weren't going around telling people to read the Bible because there was no Bible.

Gee, how many times did Jesus say, "It is written" ? What was he talking about? Guess thats why all the Early church Fathers even your heretical catholics were quoting the Bible old and NEW Testaments alike. 

All this read the Bible like a maniac and ignore everything else started with Luther, therefore you are aptly called "Lutherans."

See People!!! Right here ^ You have to question any and all religous orders that say DO NOT READ OUR WRITINGS. Why would they do that? Why did the catholci church murder any one that had a copy of the Bible? Why did they hold mass and prayers in Latin for so long, knowing no one could understand what was being said? and the push to go back to it? Why did Luthor break away?

Because he read the Bible!!! and learned that everything the catholic church teaches is not found with in the pages of the Holy Bible, and in fact the Bible teaches against the Catholic church and prophesizes about it demise. Amen!!!

And how many different interpretations and factions have spawned out of his heresey?

Dont know? How many did the Alexandrian cult and Jesuits create?

There is one church, and that is the Bride of Christ which is made up of every born again believer and has their name written in the Lambs book of Life. You can have your name written in the Lambs book of Life just by accepting Jesus as your own personal savior, confessing your sins directly to Him. And you will be forgiven and have your name written in the Lambs book of Life. It is so simple.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.