WH publishing of Obama birth certificate raises many more questions than answers

[donnay]

I am still quite perplexed at the fact that on the alleged birth certificate that under "race" they put "African" rather than "Kenyan."   Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was a Black African from a tribe, the Luo tribe. 

"The father of United States senator, Barack Obama is a Luo (his mother was American). Not only is Obama a senator, but also one of the democratic candidates in the 2008 presidential election. Barack Obama is considered the first African-American candidate who has a serious chance of winning the election. All the details are at my page about Barack Obama and Kenya."

http://www.kenya-advisor.com/luo-tribe.html

"Although he only visited Kenya twice in his life, US Senator and current Presidential candidate Barack Obama is half Kenyan, half American by descent. In Kenya, people are very proud that somebody whose father grew up herding goats, is climbing high in American politics. Ironically, as Obama’s father is from the Luo tribe, he would have a limited chance to reach the top in politics in Kenya."

http://www.kenya-advisor.com/barack-obama-and-kenya.html

Census 2000 (Population)

"Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as 'Black, African Am., or Negro,' or provide written entries such as African American, Afro American, Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian."[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census

Even the 2010 Census questionnaire had Negro on it.



Even people in Hawaii have a box to check if they are native Hawaiians--a member or descendant of the indigenous Polynesians.

[The Way of Things]

You don't need to be an Adobe software Jedi to know that the steps portrayed in this video don't indicate forgery. You can take my birth certificate, reproduce it as .pdf, exectute the steps in the video, and you will see the same things. I think Barry's document is fake but for other reasons not addressed in this video.

[ghost hacked]

Without looking at it in photoshop or illustrator or any other image modifying program ...   just take a look at the left side of the certificate, .. why does it curl at all?  Why does it look like there is more information to the left of it? Why does that stand out if the document is part of the 'background' ?

What does that mean to all of you?

[some guy]

To me it's not the individual suspicions of the supposed birth certificate, but the sum of them all, the sheer number of odd things with it that leads me to believe it is indeed fake.

I think they intentionally made this certificate look fake for two reasons (and maybe more!). They are using this to BOTH take away attention from the other more important issues AND to try to discredit the truth movement (or whatever you want to call it). "Birthers" may only be  a small part of it in reality, but many people associate them with the rest of us, so it makes the whole lot of us look bad. Perhaps that's why they held it back for so long too, so that the attack would hit us harder. It was a double whammy.

This is truly as AJ says, "the info war." We've been waking people up to the realization of of how corrupt things really are, so now they fired a large shot (the certificate issue) directly back at us. They didn't need to make a convincing fake either, because they KNEW many people would buy it without question and plus they have their mainstream news and "fluoride-heads" supporting them.

There are other more important issues out there than this, but it's aggravating, because at the same time they made this a big issue to reduce our support and credibility (even if we're right)  . 'Just my opinion.

[JT Coyoté]

this makes just as much since as anything else

Here is my answer to why, given to a detractor on the infowars comments for the "Obama Birth Certificate is a forgery" article.

JTCoyote says:
April 28, 2011 at 7:31 pm

Well it is good to see that the "state" is fallible in underestimating its most worthy opponent [Infowars]... you had better throw the switch now... because you have already lost... might's well show the true face of tyranny for all to see, you will have to soon anyway, because people are not laughing any more, they are listening... we are already two moves ahead of you... and you admit your loss here by sinking to the feeble display of arrogance in your words above...

And the conclusions jumped to here, are what exactly... the fact that it is the globalist media that is making this a big deal, to propel one of it's own to the fore [Trump] as if it was his idea, by willingly sacrificing of the Obama Pawn...

Perhaps it's my angst at you're pointing the finger at the truth movement for rightly showing light on the obvious fraud.

Or is it by my saying to you, that your position is exactly the position they wish to impart on the American people at large... a 'no big deal' attitude to an open and flagrant executive violation of the Constitution that is being marginalized as just another Trump side show...and we can see through it.

Your position from the beginning here has been one of antagonist, which bespeaks your own for-drawn conclusions, and you expect not to be called on it... and then whine about it in a diatribe of transference and projection...?  ...(chuckle)...

Good Luck...

JT

Oldyoti

"Fear can only prevail when victims
are ignorant of the facts."
~Thomas Jefferson

[jofortruth]

The photostatic copy presented by "the twins" shows the parents as "Caucasian" and not "White". So it appears your assertion seems incorrect.

It's not my assertion, it's that of a federal government document - Vital Statistics 1961.

However, like most things, as you point out, that's  contradictory also. Maybe the States have some leeway in the terms used?

[some guy]

I haven't watched that video yet (about to), but I cannot keep up with all the trolls on AJ's video about the certificate. They are swarming it big time. 2/3 to 4/5 of comments now seem to be troll comments; I'm not even exaggerating; it is that bad. They are closing the gap between likes and dislikes too on it. Most of them are just using the typical nutjob, race card, fat, redneck, greedy, right-wing/conservative crazies, and other generic insults without basis, but there's just so damn many of them! Ahhhh!

[JT Coyoté]

It's not my assertion, it's that of a federal government document - Vital Statistics 1961.

However, like most things, as you point out, that's  contradictory also. Maybe the States have some leeway in the terms used?

Both white and Caucasian were used then as were the terms Negro, Negroid, Black, and others like Mongoloid may appear... yet there was always an "other" box...

At that time the American Indian was seen as a variation of the mongol race which has changed somewhat due to findings in anthropology in the mean time...

My memory from that time is of seeing, White, Black, and other... or Caucasian, Negro, and other...

National or continental origins were not used as race determination... if they asked for national origins then you would see terms like Mexican, Asian European, African...

Oldyoti

"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.
They are the American people’s Liberty Teeth and keystone
under INDEPENDENCE … From the hour the Pilgrims landed,
to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove
that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol
are equally indispensable . . . The very atmosphere of firearms
everywhere Restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of
honor with all that is good."  ~George Washington

[ghost hacked]

I haven't watched that video yet (about to), but I cannot keep up with all the trolls on AJ's video about the certificate. They are swarming it big time. 2/3 to 4/5 of comments now seem to be troll comments; I'm not even exaggerating; it is that bad. They are closing the gap between likes and dislikes too on it. Most of them are just using the typical nutjob, race card, fat, redneck, greedy, right-wing/conservative crazies, and other generic insults without basis, but there's just so damn many of them! Ahhhh!

Or it could be part of those fake people the Military wanted to use.

[jerryweaver]

http://dailypaul.com/163097/world-intelligence-agencies-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate-a-rank-forgery


This is mentally Debilitating. Time for a New America. We are being taken out from within with this kind of weak bullshit . 

[JT Coyoté]

http://dailypaul.com/163097/world-intelligence-agencies-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate-a-rank-forgery


This is mentally Debilitating. Time for a New America. We are being taken out from within with this kind of weak bullshit . 

Actually, we need to get back to America... The bullshit is the doing of the global corporate usurpers... we must expel them... any call for a new America plays right into their hands... this is the way they work historically... we must stand on our Constitutional principles and force them to show their hand... then we have them... Obama is a pawn... and America is the prize they hope to win by convincing the American people that we need a "New America."

JTCoyoté

“The Founders set up the 1st Amendment so religion could
never become a divisive tool of faction to destroy the People’s
government. If only they could have foreseen how powerful
corporations would accomplish the same terrible deed -- to
manipulate, direct, and control government to the detriment
of the people and the destruction of Liberty."   ~JTCoyoté,
from 'A Pre-election Primer and Constitutional Proviso'

[jofortruth]

http://usa.ipums.org/usa/voliii/tEnumForm.shtml
http://www.naphsis.org/NAPHSIS/files/ccLibraryFiles/Filename/000000001003/Race%20and%20Ethnicity.pdf

According to US Census forms, they used African American for first time in the year 2000. The choices given on the form Were: Black, African Am, Negro.

The 1990 form choices were: Black or Negro!

FYI

[fny2]

It is not FAKE.

The pdf file just serves as a quick copy of the real birth certificate, and it may be as bad or good as anybody wants.
YOU CAN NOT GET THE REAL CERTIFICATE INTO A PDF anyway!

If people wants to try to debunk this they should try to have some expert look at the real birth certificate not some pdf-copy. For example
with carbon-dating or try to investigate the information represented on the form.

How I think this pdf file is produced is that the birth certificate is photocopied from the file it was in.

That is the reason for the curving shadow on the left side. It looks like it is attached in some book.

Then this photocopy is turned into a pdf file by some OCR software, that is a scanner program that can generate pdf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition

This scanner program is an old and bad program. But it is this OCR program that creates the layers. And it is a know fact that these OCR programs
tries to recognize text and make a textual representation with a given font and what it can not recognize it puts in as an image jpg part. You can probably
select an image as a background, which they have chosen the patterned green image that is used on a birth certificate. And then the program makes the pdf.

That is the reason why some parts are text and some parts are jpg-image like.

Please consider this when making all of the noise about it being fake. Going on about this only discredits your other information.

[Kilika]

Without looking at it in photoshop or illustrator or any other image modifying program ...   just take a look at the left side of the certificate, .. why does it curl at all?  Why does it look like there is more information to the left of it? Why does that stand out if the document is part of the 'background' ?

What does that mean to all of you?

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=206960.msg1237871#msg1237871

My post in that thread may help explain it.

[Kilika]

Actually, we need to get back to America... The bullshit is the doing of the global corporate usurpers... we must expel them... any call for a new America plays right into their hands... this is the way they work historically... we must stand on our Constitutional principles and force them to show their hand... then we have them... Obama is a pawn... and America is the prize they hope to win by convincing the American people that we need a "New America."

JTCoyoté

“The Founders set up the 1st Amendment so religion could
never become a divisive tool of faction to destroy the People’s
government. If only they could have foreseen how powerful
corporations would accomplish the same terrible deed -- to
manipulate, direct, and control government to the detriment
of the people and the destruction of Liberty."   ~JTCoyoté,
from 'A Pre-election Primer and Constitutional Proviso'

Agreed.

[SUPREMEMASTER]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk
Title of video: "PROOF!!! Obama Birth Certificate Fraud"
By: The Alex Jones Channel



Look at how the comments suddenly froze up out of nowhere with mine stuck on the first page!

YES YES YES!!!!!

Now this video will get out for sure...

I'm so glad that I made those comments at the EXACT TIMING that I made them on.

[Kilika]

That one person needs to ask how many other presidents for their first Executive Order they signed was to seal up all personal papers, records, transcripts etc, which is exactly what Obama did. I don't think any other president has ever done that. That to me is a big red flag, because US presidents are US history, and so are their personal effects. One might call them national treasures. How can historians write about a president that has all his personal information sealed? Big red flag.

[SUPREMEMASTER]

...Well nevermind the comments unfroze for some reason...

[some guy]

...Well nevermind the comments unfroze for some reason...

Yep, and the dislikes are still slowly, but surely catching up.

[DireWolf]

This is being used like the magician's misdirection of attention. 

It is likely they will throw him under the bus when they are done with him.

 A disposable puppet playing his part being promised things that will never be delivered.

[zdux0012]

....he messed up the oath of office,

Huh? Do you have a link? I don't understand.

[Freeski]

...Well nevermind the comments unfroze for some reason...

KOOK!

LOL!!!

[zdux0012]

If we the people don't respond to this Birth Certificate.... Or at least force Barry to lie about it (al-qadiea hackers, April Fools day joke, massive failure of image to text conversion because Obama tried too hard) then the republic is already lost.

I believe that is what they are gambling on.

Now where was that page about the prozac in the  water ?

[Rebelitarian]

Obama Birth Certificate Faked In Adobe Illustrator - Official Proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s9StxsFllY&feature=youtu.be

[Protean]

It is not FAKE.

The pdf file just serves as a quick copy of the real birth certificate, and it may be as bad or good as anybody wants.
YOU CAN NOT GET THE REAL CERTIFICATE INTO A PDF anyway!

If people wants to try to debunk this they should try to have some expert look at the real birth certificate not some pdf-copy. For example
with carbon-dating or try to investigate the information represented on the form.

How I think this pdf file is produced is that the birth certificate is photocopied from the file it was in.

That is the reason for the curving shadow on the left side. It looks like it is attached in some book.

Then this photocopy is turned into a pdf file by some OCR software, that is a scanner program that can generate pdf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition

This scanner program is an old and bad program. But it is this OCR program that creates the layers. And it is a know fact that these OCR programs
tries to recognize text and make a textual representation with a given font and what it can not recognize it puts in as an image jpg part. You can probably
select an image as a background, which they have chosen the patterned green image that is used on a birth certificate. And then the program makes the pdf.

That is the reason why some parts are text and some parts are jpg-image like.

Please consider this when making all of the noise about it being fake. Going on about this only discredits your other information.

I have been wondering about the same thing myself, that is why I have brought up the OCR scan in recent posts.

There is another official version of Obama's Long Form that the AP put out for download that does not have the layers.
This hi-res version is here--
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ap_obama_certificate_dm_110427.pdf

When you get a chance--would you view this analysis on video and give me your thoughts. Both versions are discussed.

Video on page--
http://thesophic.wordpress.com/birth-certificate-layers/

[worcesteradam]

There is an old theory, that Schwarzenegger would be made president, but the born in the USA problem was the main obstacle. However in the crusade for globalism, destroying this obstacle would be symbolic, so the elites decide to put a non US guy into president, then reveal it Lewinsky/Watergate style, to create a scandal, then argue, looks hes been president and nothing bad has happened, its a stupid rule, lets get rid of it. Opening the way for Schwarzenegger.

[Dig]

It is not FAKE.

The pdf file just serves as a quick copy of the real birth certificate, and it may be as bad or good as anybody wants.
YOU CAN NOT GET THE REAL CERTIFICATE INTO A PDF anyway!

If people wants to try to debunk this they should try to have some expert look at the real birth certificate not some pdf-copy. For example
with carbon-dating or try to investigate the information represented on the form.

How I think this pdf file is produced is that the birth certificate is photocopied from the file it was in.

That is the reason for the curving shadow on the left side. It looks like it is attached in some book.

Then this photocopy is turned into a pdf file by some OCR software, that is a scanner program that can generate pdf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition

This scanner program is an old and bad program. But it is this OCR program that creates the layers. And it is a know fact that these OCR programs
tries to recognize text and make a textual representation with a given font and what it can not recognize it puts in as an image jpg part. You can probably
select an image as a background, which they have chosen the patterned green image that is used on a birth certificate. And then the program makes the pdf.

That is the reason why some parts are text and some parts are jpg-image like.

Please consider this when making all of the noise about it being fake. Going on about this only discredits your other information.

Well that makes perfect sense...

4 years of formenting a division in the United States of America go on. 100 various official conflicting reports are thrown all around us concerning this document. Then after 4 years of millions of Americans purposefully being drawn into this narrative of divisionalism (straight out of Tavistock/Club of Rome), someone decides:

"Screw it, grab that dang birth certificate which 2 governors cannot find, do not bother taking it out of the book, just scan it with some 10 year old scanner and scanner software, make a few different versions of the scan, give different versions to different Bilderberg owned media sources, have a press conference, require that all the puppets (including Trump, FOX, Stewart, Colbert, CNN, MSNBC) demand that the whole thing is perfectly normal and make sure HAARP ELFs everyone back to sheeple mode."

I mean really, WTF, the whole 4 years concerning this issue is progressively bizarre and begs thousands more questions about the legitimacy of both parties and the entire media system in this country.

[Dig]

Well that makes perfect sense...

4 years of formenting a division in the United States of America go on. 100 various official conflicting reports are thrown all around us concerning this document. Then after 4 years of millions of Americans purposefully being drawn into this narrative of divisionalism (straight out of Tavistock/Club of Rome), someone decides:

"Screw it, grab that dang birth certificate which 2 governors cannot find, do not bother taking it out of the book, just scan it with some 10 year old scanner and scanner software, make a few different versions of the scan, give different versions to different Bilderberg owned media sources, have a press conference, require that all the puppets (including Trump, FOX, Stewart, Colbert, CNN, MSNBC) demand that the whole thing is perfectly normal and make sure HAARP ELFs everyone back to sheeple mode."

I mean really, WTF, the whole 4 years concerning this issue is progressively bizarre and begs thousands more questions about the legitimacy of both parties and the entire media system in this country.

Just so we are all clear who the enemy is and how they operate...

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in
breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
-Sun Tzu

"To keep people everywhere from deciding their own destinies by means of one created crisis after another and then “managing” such crises. This will confuse and demoralize the population to the extent where faced with too many choices, apathy on a massive scale will result. In the case of the United States, an agency for crisis management is already in place. It is called the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), whose existence I first disclosed in 1980. There will be more on FEMA as we proceed." -John Coleman Committee of 300 http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_committee300_02.htm

Levin was the author of a work entitled “Time Perspective and Morale” which is a Club of Rome publication concerning how to break down the morale of nations and individual leaders.

Here is an extract of the document:

“One of the main techniques for breaking morale through a strategy of terror consists in exactly this tactic: keep the person hazy as to where he stands and just what he may expect. In addition, if frequent vacillations between severe disciplinary measures and promise of good treatment together with the spreading of contradictory news make the structure of the situation unclear, then the individual may cease to know whether a particular plan would lead toward or away from his goal.

Under these conditions, even those individuals who have definite goals and are ready to take risks are paralyzed by the severe inner conflict in regard to what to do.”

This Club of Rome blueprint applies to COUNTRIES as well as to individuals, particularly the government leaders of those countries. We in the U.S. need not think that “Oh well, this is America, and those kinds of things just do not happen here.” Let me assure you that they ARE happening in the U.S., and perhaps more so than in any other country.

The Levin-Club of Rome plan is designed to demoralize us all so that in the end we feel we should follow whatever it is that is planned for us. We WILL follow Club of Rome orders like sheep. Any seemingly strong leader who SUDDENLY APPEARS to “rescue” the nation must be regarded with the utmost suspicion. Remember that Khomeini was groomed for years by British intelligence, especially during his time in Paris, before he suddenly appeared as the savior of Iran. Boris Yeltsin is from the same M16-SIS stable.

The Club of Rome feels confident that it has carried out it Committee of 300 mandate to “soften up” the United States. After 45 years of waging war on the people of this nation, who will doubt that it has indeed accomplished its task? Look around and see how we have been demoralized.
[...]
With the U.S. spiritually, morally bankrupted, with our industrial base destroyed throwing 30 million people out of work with our big cities ghastly cesspools of every imaginable crime with a murder rate almost three times higher than any other country, with 4 million homeless, with corruption in government reaching endemic proportions, who will gainsay that the United States is ready to collapse from within, into the waiting arms of the New Dark Age One World Government?
[...]
We as a nation are ready to accept the demise of the United States of America and the American way of life, once the envy of the entire world.
Do not think this has happened on its own— the old “times are changing” syndrome. Time does not change anything, PEOPLE do.

Hey Mythology Creators, Noosphere Operators, and Narrative Distributors...

THE WHOLE WORLD SEES YOU SOCIAL ORDER MANIPULATORS. HUMANITY IS AWAKE TO YOUR TOTAL BULLSHIT AND HOW YOU OPERATE. IT AIN'T GONNA WORK ANYMORE! YOU PROVIDE NOTHING TO SOCIETY BUT A LIE, DREAMT UP BY A COMMITTEE OF 300 INCESTUOUS PSYCHOPATHIC FAMILIES WHO WILL NEVER GIVE ANY MORE A SHIT ABOUT YOU THEN US! GET ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY AND REALIZE YOUR PUPPETMASTERS WILL DUMP YOU AS SOON AS YOU EXERCISE A NANO-THOUGHT OF FREE WILL. END YOUR OWN PERPETUAL DEBILITATING SLAVERY BY JUST SAYING THE FRICKING TRUTH ALREADY. THE WHOLE WORLD WILL LOVE YOU FOR IT!

[Dig]

Almost 2 years ago, Lou Dobbs...(BTW-he got fired for continuing to report it)

7-31-09 Lou Dobbs thinks that claims stating Obama born in Kenya are obsurd, but whats more strange is that he wont produce the docs to make it go away, why wont he produce the passports and the long form birth certificate makes us think he may really be hiding somthing or playing a very dangerous political game. This should be checked out. Hawaii has just chaged regulations at the DOH making it possible to destroy the long form BC. This is weird. Also, why are Obama supporters getting angry @ people questioning the issue?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6SYjJGZ1fM

[Dig]

JULY 2009: CNN tells Lou Dobbs that Obama birth certificiate story is "dead"
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/nov05election/detail?entry_id=44277
July 24 2009 at 06:25 PM

Remember how we were talking the other day about how Lou Dobbs has latched onto the Obama's birth certificate story that's STILL making the right wing's collective leg tingle months after the election? Now CNN president Jon Klein has apparently told Lou's crew that the Obama's birth certificate story is "dead." Sort of.

The TV Newser blog obtained a copy of a Klein memo that asked CNN's researchers to check out the story. After they responded by saying it wasn't much of a story, Klein contacted Lou's peeps on Thursday:

"Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead - because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef."

But not too dead. Lou the Explainer rapped about the issue again Thursday, mentioning CNN's research. On Friday, Klein seemed to downplay the whole deal, telling Greg Sargent in an interview that Lou is running his own show. Which is the cable news equivalent of saying let "Lou be Lou." Or, if you're unfortunate enough to be a Dodger fan, it is the equivalent of saying let "Manny be Manny":

"Asked if CNN is concerned that Dobbs' repeated granting of airtime to theories the network has conclusively debunked amounts to overkill and could harm CNN's credibility, Klein brushed off the possibility. "We respect our viewers enough to present them the facts and let them make up their own minds," he said, adding that what Dobbs does is "his editorial decision to make."

Meanwhile, the Southern Poverty Law Center called for Lou to get the boot Friday. Normally, we'd figure this controversy would all be a ratings boon for Lou the Englightener but his ratings have been tanking lately.

[fny2]

Leaving OCR option "on" in Illustrator is not what the "OCR-theory" is about. Illustrator is not really an OCR-program even if it has a option for that.

There are other OCR programs than Adobe Illustrator that can create pdf files!!

You do know that PDF is just a format, and there are tons of programs out there that can produce a document in the pdf format?

And it is very much up to the program that generates it if it wants to paste the entire image into a pdf file, or have layers in it. An Ocr program is likely to create those
layers because it can not make sense of all the text, so it uses the raw image to represent text in part of the document and text with fonts in the parts where it is able to
make sense of the text.

So when trying to debunk the "OCR-theory" you need to go beyond just Adobe-programs.

That it does not produce a file in Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop or Adobe PDF Pro that has layers with different fonts and pices of images does not debunk the OCR-theory.
Adobe Illustrator does not really do any good OCR process, it just has it there as a fancy option.

And also the Adobe programs are expensive, it is more likely that some government worker has some cheap crappy software. Maybe something that came
with the scanner or some shareware or open source.

There are cheap useless software that comes on the CD with the scanner you buy that are able to do simple OCR and produce files in pdf format.

It is a common way for OCR programs to be able to detect some of the text and leave the parts that it is not able to detect as an image.

[Kilika]

Leaving OCR option "on" in Illustrator is not what the "OCR-theory" is about. Illustrator is not really an OCR-program even if it has a option for that.

There are other OCR programs than Adobe Illustrator that can create pdf files!!

You do know that PDF is just a format, and there are tons of programs out there that can produce a document in the pdf format?

And it is very much up to the program that generates it if it wants to paste the entire image into a pdf file, or have layers in it. An Ocr program is likely to create those
layers because it can not make sense of all the text, so it uses the raw image to represent text in part of the document and text with fonts in the parts where it is able to
make sense of the text.

So when trying to debunk the "OCR-theory" you need to go beyond just Adobe-programs.

That it does not produce a file in Adobe Illustrator, Adobe Photoshop or Adobe PDF Pro that has layers with different fonts and pices of images does not debunk the OCR-theory.
Adobe Illustrator does not really do any good OCR process, it just has it there as a fancy option.

And also the Adobe programs are expensive, it is more likely that some government worker has some cheap crappy software. Maybe something that came
with the scanner or some shareware or open source.

There are cheap useless software that comes on the CD with the scanner you buy that are able to do simple OCR and produce files in pdf format.

It is a common way for OCR programs to be able to detect some of the text and leave the parts that it is not able to detect as an image.

My professional experience in graphics and multimedia in general tells me otherwise. Part of what you say is true, but the rest is misleading and not true at all. Some of your comments tells me your not a graphics person and are just repeating what you've read that sounds good.

Apparently you don't realize that an OCR program is a stand alone application that is used for scanning, that's it. It has nothing to do with any Adobe products, including Illustrator. OCR is a process to get an image of a document into digital form, and to do that, the scan is actually a digital picture of the document, thus it must be saved as an image file type of some kind. It's an image because one cannot edit it like a Word document. If you want to edit the document, then yes, make it a pdf file. But why would they want the ability to edit the document?

It is not FAKE.

The pdf file just serves as a quick copy of the real birth certificate, and it may be as bad or good as anybody wants.
YOU CAN NOT GET THE REAL CERTIFICATE INTO A PDF anyway!

It would have been quicker to simply do a basic scan and then save it as a jpg. Making a pdf is actually a more involved process. The quality of the scan is dependent on the quality of the original document and the quality (resolution) of the scanner. Once it is in a file format, it's quality is what it is from that point on, and can only get worse depending on how the file is handled and what type file it is.

Yes, you can get the "real" certificate into a pdf. You can embed image files within a pdf, such as jpg, etc., so your claim is simply not true.

If people wants to try to debunk this they should try to have some expert look at the real birth certificate not some pdf-copy. For example
with carbon-dating or try to investigate the information represented on the form.

Too short a time span for carbon dating. Not accurate enough. And investigating the information on the form is what's this is all about, but the document had to be presented to investigate it. Now they have presented something, so the investigation continues.

Agreed the "original" paper document does need to be verified that it even exists and the information on it is true. That is a constitutional requirement and the whole point of this debate.

How I think this pdf file is produced is that the birth certificate is photocopied from the file it was in.


That is the reason for the curving shadow on the left side. It looks like it is attached in some book.

I tend to agree. The image presented does seem to indicate additonal info to the left, and in previous posts I've covered that. (these threads need consolidating! Theres like 4 of them now!). It appears that the document was placed on a scanner as claimed. That's is not the issue though. The issue begins with when the scan becomes a file type. And a digital image is only as good as the original scan.

Then this photocopy is turned into a pdf file by some OCR software, that is a scanner program that can generate pdf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_character_recognition

So are you claiming that they scanned the document, and then printed it out, only to re-scan that photocopy back into a pdf file type via OCR? That wouldn't make sense unless the person is playing games with the image. WAY too much handling of the image. In multimedia, time is everything, and you do things as fast as you can, the most efficient way to keep labor costs down, so a graphics person that did it that way would have been acting contrary to training and logic. Just scan directly to a jpg and be done with it. But they didn't do that did they? Nope, and that is part of the red flag.

This scanner program is an old and bad program. But it is this OCR program that creates the layers. And it is a know fact that these OCR programs
tries to recognize text and make a textual representation with a given font and what it can not recognize it puts in as an image jpg part. You can probably
select an image as a background, which they have chosen the patterned green image that is used on a birth certificate. And then the program makes the pdf.

Age and quality of an OCR app isn't the problem. True though that OCR does something called layers. Again, that's not the issue, though there are issue with the "layers".

Saying "as an image jpg part" isn't proper to say, but I do get what your saying, to differentiate between text and an image, as in .doc versus .jpg. But this image brings up the question why they even decided to make a custom background image using the green security pattern? And if the document isn't 8.5x11 like the size of the pdf, why line up the pattern with the document so that it is aligned nearly perfectly?

I have contended that this "background" image is in fact a "layer" in the design process for the pdf, and it is from the document background, but that they tried to present it as part of the document when it is not. That layer is like a frame on top of the document layer, as evidence by the registrar signature at the bottom. Not to mention that the disclaimer text above that registrar seal is not there, nor is the seal itself. And isn't there suppose to be two witness stamps with signatures? Where is the one on the left side? Why is that? Why even make any changes to how it looks? Seriosu red flags!

That is the reason why some parts are text and some parts are jpg-image like.

Why didn't they save a basic scan as a jpg in the first place? There would be no OCR issues to deal with if they had. You do realize that one must select to scan OCR, right? It's a special type scan process. Again, why would they do that? Another red flag.

Please consider this when making all of the noise about it being fake. Going on about this only discredits your other information.

I personally have professionally considered the situation and the evidence and as a result I consider that document to be altered and misrepresented. Was it intentionally to mislead people? I don't know that. I have only suspicions. To me, the document appears to have been altered, which suggests that document is a forgery by definition.

Now the White House has a real problem. Now that they have released this document, there is no longer any excuse for not showing the public the actual physical certificate to a group of random professionals and the media that can take images of it in person themselves, and video to verify such a document exists. We are talking a constitutional requirement and the office of president afterall. It's kinda important and demands verification by the people. Public officials are nothing but representatives of the people, they aren't the end word on the matter, they are just the voice of the people, at least that's what they are suppose to be.

[WakeUpAmerica]

This PSYOP is working flawlessly. Just look at all of the time everyone has wasted on this issue. Obama could be impeached under Constitutional law without the birth certificate issue! Wake up and start recognizing manufactured dissent when it is spitting on your face!

[Brocke]

Very good video!

Other side of argument:PDF Explained - Linked , transform + rotation history, clipping masks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3w7hbCQ9eE

[Kilika]

So what's your take Brocke? Your a graphics person. How do you explain the left side of the scan, and the background green security pattern? Personally, I think the OCR issue is a distraction and not the real issue with the document. Why would they scan this into a pdf in the first place?

[Brocke]

So what's your take Brocke? Your a graphics person. How do you explain the left side of the scan, and the background green security pattern? Personally, I think the OCR issue is a distraction and not the real issue with the document. Why would they scan this into a pdf in the first place?

It does not look like a proper scan to me or an official certificate.

I was born in 1964 and my birth certificate look nothing like that. Granted mine is from Arizona, but there should be some minor similarities.  I even have an official copy that I requested in the 1980s and it looks very different as well. Why was the birth certificate in question scanned from a book? (that's what the curvy effect on the left edge is, the curve of the page from an open book on the scanner) Why is there no official seal? The green pattern looks very odd, almost like it was put in after the scan.

If they were going to release a genuine high quality version scan of Barry's certificate I would have expected it to be either:

A. PDF with editing disabled

B. A large uncompressed jpeg with a watermark and/or digimarc type protection

Not a PDF with editable layers!

They may have released a deliberate fake that would be easy to discover, but that leads us into the realm of double, triple, quadruple bluff scenarios, similar to a John le Carré spy novel, ending in scandal with Barry Soetoro either being impeached or resigning in shame. This could happen but it seems very unlikely.

Even if it is a fake, and forgive me for sounding so defeatist on this subject, I don't think it really matters much because nothing will ever come of it. The media will never cover it. The WH will deny it. The alphabet agencies can release the results of their own forensic examinations and claim it is genuine. Popular Mechanics will start doing the talk show circuit with their proof it is real. And some other designed distraction will catch the attention of the masses and they will forget all about it.

I find it hard to believe they would release a sloppy fake when they have the resources and the power to produce a new perfect genuine one.

I am very curious to see how this pans out.


Sample of an Arizona Birth certificate


http://www.fdeus.com/us/images/Birth%20certificates/Arizona%20birth%20certificate.jpg

Check this out! You can search for samples of birth certificates by state. When you get to Hawaii, no sample.

http://www.fdeus.com/us/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=3&layout=blog&Itemid=3

[Kilika]

I hear ya! By the way, I was born in '63, and currently live in...Arizona! 

[Brocke]

I hear ya! By the way, I was born in '63, and currently live in...Arizona! 

I hope you like it there. I live in Australia now and often my heart aches for the beautiful high desert of my home state.

[worcesteradam]

the blue one at the top of this page looks more authentic

[jofortruth]

I agree. We must respond to all the lies, but not focus on each one exclusively!

These people have gotten by with their lies for far too long, and they must be called on them.