WH publishing of Obama birth certificate raises many more questions than answers

[jofortruth]

Another long form of twins born 1 day after Obama at same hospital:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=206990.0

[ORECHICK]

Zoom in at 800% on line 20 and 23 and you can see it is obvious bad Windows paint program or Photoshop job. Check the X's like on line 3 and 6d, they are not from a typewriter. Check the upper right corner # 10641, the 1 is smudged and discolored. I am sure there are more things, they are just a few I saw when I zoomed in. I am on a work pc so I can't do screen shots and upload them, hopefully someone else can. 

I'm so glad people like you exist.  I have no computer technical knowledge... So happy others do

[HYDROGENPAL]

they own the company called UNTIED STATES so why wouldn't they just make up a new one for him like the hawaii certificate we have all seen. Its just a peice of paper that can be fabricated. His own family have stated he was born in Kenya why doesnt trump.. trump him by paying his family to speak on national tv. REVERSE ALL THAT HE HAS DONE

[birgit]

More  bread   and   circus 
As  if   any of  this   would   stop  a  war  or  two,  or  wake   sheeple. It  just  creates  more  division... is   he  or  is  he  not... do the  people  that   got  his  butt  installed  care?  NO  !
 another  sock  puppet   slowly  getting  demonized   so  we  can   welcome the next  change  of  socks    with   open  arms   and  a  sigh  of  relief in  2012....barf

[jofortruth]

[jofortruth]

Charles Bennett, Registrar should have been on Obamas certificate also since born days after these twins?

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

ALL YOU BIRTHERS ARE CRAZY!!!!!

OUR PRESIDENT AND TELEVISION WOULD NEVER LIE TO US!!!!!

i was waiting for the flood of 1961 long form birth certificates from the aloha state to come in.

[ORECHICK]

Whoopi Goldberg plays the race card... her words not mine.

I guess its ok to disrespect Bush but Obama is off limits?  I'm not defending Bush at all.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/27/whoopi-goldberg-its-time-to-play-the-race-card-on-trump/

*Edit*  I meant to post this in the other Obama thread.  Sorry OP.

[jofortruth]

Charles Bennett, Registrar should have been on Obamas certificate also since born days after these twins?

I made Error above! The registrar on this new certificate is registrar in 2011 (need to confirm). Wonder why it doesnt show the registrar in 1961?

[Protean]

Update---

Posted comment on this page with Rev. Manning talking about the BC--
http://atlahmedianetwork.org/?p=14658--

If you have Adobe Illustrator, download the .pdf of "Obama"'s image of an alleged birth certificate that he provided.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

Open it as told on
http://bryankeithnixon.com/?p=103
interesting... very interesting

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Folks, I have just opened this PDF in Adobe Illustrator and it appears to be layered and assembled in a composite style.
If this was a scanned document there would be no need for this assembling layers to create the information.

This could very well be a work of fiction.

Any graphic designers out there who can repeat this procedure in Adobe Illustrator and give us your take?

Thanks!

Another update--

This layering in the PDF could be caused by an OCR scanner---Tom Chapin explains--

Tom Chapin on April 27, 2011 at 5:40 pm

I’ve actually downloaded the original PDF file and inspected its layers and I can tell you for a fact that they are not the type of layers that would be created using Photoshop to manipulate a document. They are the kind of layers that would have been automatically created programmatically by an OCR program which was simply trying to isolate black text from a background to make it more legible. The layers aren’t named, and they contain various artifacts from other pieces of the document. Even if you toggle the black layers, the underlying document data contains the white imprints of the words above it. This is exactly in line with the type of PDF that you would expect an OCR-enabled scanner to produce. It is *NOT* in line with any type of image manipulation that someone would do with Photoshop, and I’ve been using Photoshop to manipulate images on a professional basis for the past 16 years, so I would know.

Comment posted here--
http://bryankeithnixon.com/?p=103

[kita]

I have no doubt this is a forgery,the simple fact that it states "African" instead of "Negro" gives it away.Also this could be a win for those in the sovereignty movement though,if he can get a photocopy of his original B/C,then so can anyone else.This needs to forensically tested by a number of independent .The government can forge documents very easy, this was show in the faked Passport fiasco,assassinations by mossad.They do it for all intelligence services as well.

[KazKru]

Another update--

This layering in the PDF could be caused by an OCR scanner---Tom Chapin explains--

Tom Chapin on April 27, 2011 at 5:40 pm

I’ve actually downloaded the original PDF file and inspected its layers and I can tell you for a fact that they are not the type of layers that would be created using Photoshop to manipulate a document. They are the kind of layers that would have been automatically created programmatically by an OCR program which was simply trying to isolate black text from a background to make it more legible. The layers aren’t named, and they contain various artifacts from other pieces of the document. Even if you toggle the black layers, the underlying document data contains the white imprints of the words above it. This is exactly in line with the type of PDF that you would expect an OCR-enabled scanner to produce. It is *NOT* in line with any type of image manipulation that someone would do with Photoshop, and I’ve been using Photoshop to manipulate images on a professional basis for the past 16 years, so I would know.

Comment posted here--
http://bryankeithnixon.com/?p=103

I could make that argument as well, HOWEVER, the layer blocks are neatly defined into several different blocks.  One for the main body of the text, one for the date, one for the signature, etc.  Would OCR sort these into nice blocks or groupings?

[PeaceAndFreedom]

Zoom in at 800% on line 20 and 23 and you can see it is obvious bad Windows paint program or Photoshop job. Check the X's like on line 3 and 6d, they are not from a typewriter. Check the upper right corner # 10641, the 1 is smudged and discolored. I am sure there are more things, they are just a few I saw when I zoomed in. I am on a work pc so I can't do screen shots and upload them, hopefully someone else can.  

Here are the zoom ins, at 800%---



and line 3 (I did not see anything amiss with line 6d, so have not included it):

[kita]

Here are the zoom ins, at 800%---



and line 3 (I did not see anything amiss with line 6d, so have not included it):

man,that is a dodgy PS job??,actually it looks "really" bad,if you ask me.They couldn't been that dumb to do it with PS.

[chris jones]

 This scon has been backed up by our elected officials, Obama has steepd behind th poidium and made this official.
  The side show continues and detracts from the abomination taking place, not to make lightly of this by any means.
Sure I wish this could be exposed, we all do, but lets face it, HOW!, who will stand up in the ranks and titles and challenge this. Will the Justice Dept., the Feds, or any other chickenshiiit gov employees have the courage..

[kita]

This scon has been backed up by our elected officials, Obama has steepd behind th poidium and made this official.
  The side show continues and detracts from the abomination taking place, not to make lightly of this by any means.
Sure I wish this could be exposed, we all do, but lets face it, HOW!, who will stand up in the ranks and titles and challenge this. Will the Justice Dept., the Feds, or any other chickenshiiit gov employees have the courage..

agreed.+1.A distraction to keep the patriots busy into the next election,i believe.

[Freeski]

agreed.+1.A distraction to keep the patriots busy into the next election,i believe.

Oh yeah. We still have a system of overlords to deal with.

[jofortruth]

I have no doubt this is a forgery,the simple fact that it states "African" instead of "Negro" gives it away.

Vital Statistics Doc - 1961 - Race Categories (See pg 131 - Classification Scheme 5-7)
http://www.nber.org/vital-statistics/historical/nat61_1.CV.pdf

Race and color

Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."

The category "white" includes, in addition to persons reported as "white," those reported as Mexican or Puerto Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group;

Obama's Certificate just released says his father was "African". That term wasn't even used in 1961 to designate Race!

Likewise, his mother was designated "Caucasian", and term wasn't a designation either in 1961, it was "WHITE".

[jofortruth]

(CORRECTION: See pg 231 or search for "Classification Scheme 5-7" or INDEX (Section 6, pg 239) under Attendant at Birth/Classification Scheme).

[psy0ps]

Someone tell me why the LOCAL registrar is a different signature if these two births happened so close together. Would there be more than one?
Box 21 on Obama's is signed as "Vick Lee"
Box 21 on the other certificate is what looks no where close to the same signature.

[nirosive]

I didn't go through the whole thread but I don't think anyone posted this yet. This guy broke it down magnificently! 100% FAKE!


http://youtu.be/2eOfYwYyS_c

[Monkeypox]

It seems to me that there are only three reasons Obama would take almost 4 years to release his Birth Certificate:

1.  It didn't exist, and Obama finally had a forgery made so he could try to close the matter.

2.  It existed, but contained something incriminating or embarrassing, and Obama had a forgery made so he could try to close the matter.

3.  It was deliberately withheld until this particular time for some political purpose.  The question is, what purpose, and why now?

[chrisfromchi]

PROOF!!! Obama Birth Certificate Fraud
TheAlexJonesChannel on Apr 27, 2011

http://youtu.be/3g30VCl_cgk


MSNBC HAS THIS COPY
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110427-obama-birth-cert-full-jm.photoblog900.jpg

[HAZMAT]

Okay guys, after watching jones and that other guy break the image down I decided to download it and look at the layered image in photoshop myself, I retract my statement, this is defiantly a forged document.

[HAZMAT]

Things that seemed odd to me. I used photoshop CS.

http://img135.imageshack.us/i/unled1gam.jpg
http://img571.imageshack.us/i/unled2qi.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/i/unled3i.jpg
What is this supposed to be? What is with the curled page set on top of another page. That is clearly what was done. Yet all the green security paper pattern lines up? This doesn't even make sense.

How is it that the birth certificate curls into the page? And there is a stamp and signature at the bottom. What? What did Alvan T. Onaka actually sign?

This thing is such a crock it is disorienting in trying to describe it because it is so preposterous.

I'll look for more later.

[pacemaker]

The MSNBC copy shows that it's not a fake done electronically. The "1" in 1961 has been touched up by the software or a person to make it more readable since it's weak on the print. Same with the R in Barack. They have also enhanced the text to make it more readable in other places where the scan or typewriter left hard to read text. They also for some reason added the green background.

But these things doesn't make it fake since it looks exactly like the MSNBC copy which is a proper scan before they enhanced it. Maybe the MSNBC copy wasn't supposed to be leaked yet and used later on to show that all forgery theories was false and therefore making people/birthers look crazy. If people are going to make a case of this, they have to use that copy to prove it is fake and not the enhanced one.

[Dig]

The MSNBC copy shows that it's not a fake done electronically. The "1" in 1961 has been touched up by the software or a person to make it more readable since it's weak on the print. Same with the R in Barack. They have also enhanced the text to make it more readable in other places where the scan or typewriter left hard to read text. They also for some reason added the green background.

But these things doesn't make it fake since it looks exactly like the MSNBC copy which is a proper scan before they enhanced it. Maybe the MSNBC copy wasn't supposed to be leaked yet and used later on to show that all forgery theories was false and therefore making people/birthers look crazy. If people are going to make a case of this, they have to use that copy to prove it is fake and not the enhanced one.

If the White House released a forged document, there could be millions of civil and criminal charges brought against all parties involved no matter what the hell GE/MSNBC did. Of course, GE has helped murder over 50 million people over the last 75 years so I doubt they care too much about treason charges.

[HAZMAT]

The MSNBC copy shows that it's not a fake done electronically. The "1" in 1961 has been touched up by the software or a person to make it more readable since it's weak on the print. Same with the R in Barack. They have also enhanced the text to make it more readable in other places where the scan or typewriter left hard to read text. They also for some reason added the green background.

But these things doesn't make it fake since it looks exactly like the MSNBC copy which is a proper scan before they enhanced it. Maybe the MSNBC copy wasn't supposed to be leaked yet and used later on to show that all forgery theories was false and therefore making people/birthers look crazy. If people are going to make a case of this, they have to use that copy to prove it is fake and not the enhanced one.

What? Why is there even an "enhanced" version and why do these two look so different? Clearly the green security paper one is a fake but the other looks more authentic. I thought there was just supposed to be ONE birth certificate un-altered?

[EvadingGrid]

I'll say it again . . .

WHY did it take years for the Doc to surface ?

President of the most powerful country on earth, and he can not find his birth certificate until now ?
Come on .. .. .. who would be dumb enough to buy that !

This reminds me of kiddies forging sick notes to show to teacher...

[HAZMAT]

Also on this image
http://img156.imageshack.us/i/unled3i.jpg/
In the top left corner, the black line under “STATE OF HAWAII”, curves down as the page curves, but the green pattern’s series of —-||—-||—- does not curve down. It extends straight out to the left, but it SHOULD curve down with the black line.

Someone else brought this too my attention.

[KI4BNC]

It seems to me that there are only three reasons Obama would take almost 4 years to release his Birth Certificate:

1.  It didn't exist, and Obama finally had a forgery made so he could try to close the matter.

2.  It existed, but contained something incriminating or embarrassing, and Obama had a forgery made so he could try to close the matter.

3.  It was deliberately withheld until this particular time for some political purpose.  The question is, what purpose, and why now?

I find a 4th reason:What is the other hand doing?

[Kilika]

Charles Bennett, Registrar should have been on Obamas certificate also since born days after these twins?

Not just that, but notice at the bottom also that the date is done different, as well as on Obama's there's only the right side signature, but it doesn't have anything on the left side as the twin's photostat does, and the line of text just above isn't on Obama's either, nor is the seal visable like on the twin's.

Yeah, there's major issues with that "certificate".

[Dok]

What is it about twin girls born day after Obama?

Today, Barack Obama blinked – releasing birth records he has hired lawyers to prevent the public from seeing, even at the expense of allowing U.S. Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin to be court-martialed and sent to prison for having dared ask questions the White House until now has resolutely dismissed with ridicule and disdain.

A key problem for Obama is that birth certificates issued to twin girls born one day later at Kapi'olani hospital, the Nordykes, are the Rosetta Stone of deciphering both Obama's previously released short-form Certification of Live Birth and the newly released purported copy of his long-form birth certificate.

The problem since the short-form certificate was released during the 2008 presidential campaign has always been this:

    As WND reported, the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a day earlier than the Nordykes.
    Note, Susan Nordyke, the first twin, was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

    Gretchen Nordyke, the second twin, was born at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

    Yet, according to the Certification of Live Birth displayed by FactCheck.org during the 2008 presidential campaign – and now according to the long-form birth certificate the White House released today – Barack Obama was given a higher certificate number than the Nordykes.

    Note, Obama was given certificate No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the Nordyke twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii Department of Health registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

In 1961, the birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospitals.

Instead, the numbers were stamped to the birth record by the Hawaii Department of Health at the main office in Honolulu.

This is the only place birth certificate numbers were assigned.

At the last step of the process, the documents were accepted by the registrar general, with the date of registration inserted in box No. 22 on the lower right hand corner of the long-form birth certificate.

The date the birth document was accepted by the registrar general was the date the birth certificate number was stamped on the birth record.

The birth certificate number was stamped on the form by a rubber stamp that automatically increased by one each time a birth certificate was stamped.

The question, therefore, is how was it possible that the Nordyke twins had their birth certificates accepted by the registrar general in Hawaii three days later than the registrar general accepted Obama's birth certificate, when the twins' numbers are lower than Obama's number?

rest:http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457

[Optimus]

Layered? If someone can confirm this it would mean it was altered/tampered with!

President Obama's Birth Certificate PDF has "Layers"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo

http://wireupdate.com/video/2011/04/president-obamas-birth-certificate-pdf-has-layers/

Video: Proof Obama Birth Certificate a Fraud
http://www.infowars.com/video-proof-obama-birth-certificate-a-fraud/

Infowars.com
April 28, 2011

Closer inspection of the document has prompted more questions than answers. Also see our reports: Does Obama Birth Certificate Number Prove Forgery? and New Obama Birth Certificate is a Forgery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g30VCl_cgk&feature=player_embedded

[Optimus]

Proof Obama's 4/27/11 "Long Form Certificate of Birth" is Forged!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNJfdKClbH4

[Protean]

I could make that argument as well, HOWEVER, the layer blocks are neatly defined into several different blocks.  One for the main body of the text, one for the date, one for the signature, etc.  Would OCR sort these into nice blocks or groupings?

The only way to determine that would be to run an OCR scan on a similar document/record and cross check them for this slicing (blocks and groupings) of the graphics.

I don't know what to make of this Long Form Certificate of Live Birth, the digital
version is open to question-it's the original hard copy of this record that needs
to be examined/verified by a documentation professional--that is what was (is)
being kept out of the courts.

[Optimus]

The MSNBC copy shows that it's not a fake done electronically. The "1" in 1961 has been touched up by the software or a person to make it more readable since it's weak on the print. Same with the R in Barack. They have also enhanced the text to make it more readable in other places where the scan or typewriter left hard to read text. They also for some reason added the green background.

But these things doesn't make it fake since it looks exactly like the MSNBC copy which is a proper scan before they enhanced it. Maybe the MSNBC copy wasn't supposed to be leaked yet and used later on to show that all forgery theories was false and therefore making people/birthers look crazy. If people are going to make a case of this, they have to use that copy to prove it is fake and not the enhanced one.

How do you know it's not fake, because MSNBC says so? The certificate they released is a photoshoped digital representation. The only way to authenticate it is to release the original and scrutinize it under independent examination to make sure nothing is doctored on it.

[Waltraut]

Isn't it a contradiction to simultaneously doubt all government officials, yet place such high respect in the government process of keeping birth records in the first place?

[jofortruth]

Someone tell me why the LOCAL registrar is a different signature if these two births happened so close together. Would there be more than one?
Box 21 on Obama's is signed as "Vick Lee"
Box 21 on the other certificate is what looks no where close to the same signature.

NOTE: The 1961 Registrar's name looks like Vince Lee on this certificate! There is currently a Vince Lee who is the CEO of Oahu Region, Hawaii Health Systems Corporation. So, is he claiming to have been the Registrar back in 1961? or is the name just the same by coincidence?

Vincent Lee -  Chief Executive Officer, Oahu Region

http://www.hhsc.org/HHSC_AdminTeam.htm

Also see pg 14:
http://www.state.hi.us/health/shpda/shhsfp09.pdf

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hawaii State Registrar Alvin T. Onaka: (The Registrar in 2011)
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-55.pdf
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2002/02-43onaka.html

[jofortruth]

Isn't it a contradiction to simultaneously doubt all government officials, yet place such high respect in the government process of keeping birth records in the first place?

We question both, Waltraut!