The NEXT big distraction.

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

http://www.theroyalweddingwilliamkate.com/

Here in America idiots will be 'absorbed' (like in Star Trek) into this.

So, what will Obummer and the treasonous congress pull while this literal dog and pony show is ON EVERY TV / CABLE channel?

[larsonstdoc]

  Maybe they will attack another country or blow up somthing in a medium-sized city either here or in Europe.

[Kilika]

Sounds like the time for getting some bills passed. 

[Rebelitarian]

No it's just another campaign to show American women more un-realistic expectations to have so as to ruin more marriages.

I've known guys whose wives left them over stuff like Housewives of "American City here" cuz they felt like their husbands should be providing them this kind of lifestyle that only a pro-athlete or a successful-musician could provide.

[Geolibertarian]

No it's just another campaign to show American women more un-realistic expectations to have so as to ruin more marriages.

I've known guys whose wives left them over stuff like Housewives of "American City here" cuz they felt like their husbands should be providing them this kind of lifestyle that only a pro-athlete or a successful-musician could provide.

What most of these trophy-wife wannabes are too blind to realize is that, when their looks fade and they cease being the objects of lust they once were, they'll discover soon thereafter that their sugar-daddy husbands are just as nauseatingly shallow as they are. And then there they'll be: sitting alone in a soulless mansion while their hubbies get it on with their 20-something mistresses.

Some people just have to learn everything the hard way, apparently.

[Waltraut]

hey - has anyone been able to tell if Prince Charles really is showing signs of early alzheimers, or if that is a rumor?

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

What most of these trophy-wife wannabes are too blind to realize is that, when their looks fade and they cease being the objects of lust they once were, they'll discover soon thereafter that their sugar-daddy husbands are just as nauseatingly shallow as they are.

What are you joking?

These gold dig'n honey's know the above all to well and they scheme and plot just like they're on the clock that's winding down.

I've met my share of them.  They get in their upper thirties dump some fella to get a Wonka golden ticket. So they think.  I say to their friends.... Who does she think she is fooling why would some guy / gal  with money want you when they can have one fresh off the college show room?

By then they will tell you ALL men are scum and they become miserable soles who no one wants to be around.

[Rebelitarian]

True it'll be women in their 30s 40s and 50s watching this.

I hate to say this but the NWO is being very Hitlerian with the idea that women are easily manipulated.  This is just the latest incarnation of a show that proves it.

[Rebelitarian]

I remember back in 2008 when Ron Paul was building up a bid for the Presidency.  I heard 2 women in a grovery store talking about the importance of voting.  I was like alright 2 women that actually get it politically, come to find out they were talking about American Idol contestants and the conversation had nothing to do with politics.   

Ever notice how we seem to have record amounts of shows designed to keep the female populus distracted no matter what their age ??

[2stevejc]

I was today given the option to work on this momentous day and receive 2 days holiday in lieu. That's gonna be a nice long summer weekend for me come August. I love the Royal Wedding.

[Freeski]

I remember back in 2008 when Ron Paul was building up a bid for the Presidency.  I heard 2 women in a grovery store talking about the importance of voting.  I was like alright 2 women that actually get it politically, come to find out they were talking about American Idol contestants and the conversation had nothing to do with politics.   

Funny!

Regarding coverage of the wedding: May God help us all.

[TahoeBlue]

People need to understand the significance of being "the Prince of Wales"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_William_of_Wales
Prince William of Wales KG FRS (William Arthur Philip Louis; born 21 June 1982) is the elder son of Charles, Prince of Wales, and Diana, Princess of Wales, and second eldest grandson of Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh

1282 -  Llywelyn the Last - last prince of an independent Wales before its conquest by Norman Edward I of England - Edward sent his head on to London. In London, it was set up in the city pillory for a day, and crowned with ivy {i.e. to show he was a "king" of Outlaws} and in mockery of the ancient Welsh prophecy, which said that a Welshman would be crowned in London as king of the whole of Britain. Then it was carried by a horseman on the point of his lance to the Tower of London and set up over the gate.  It was still on the Tower of London 15 years later

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llywelyn_the_Last



A little Welsh History:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Borough_of_Islington
Islington, London - Islington grew as a sprawling village along the line of the Great North Road ...Islington was originally named by the Saxons Giseldone (1005), then Gislandune (1062). The name means 'Gīsla's hill' from the Old English personal name Gīsla and dun 'hill', 'down'.

Islington may have played its own small part in the destruction and conquest by [Norman] England of north Wales.

In December 1277 the last native prince of Wales, Llywelyn the Last, while staying in Islington in preparation of his ritual act of homage to the [Norman] English king, was so heinously offended by the display put on by the locals that he and his lords resolved never to return and thenceforth to fight England to the death.[10]

The Normans were cazy for Welsh Women.....


http://www.robertkeating.com/nesta.htm
Nesta -  Princess Nesta was a very remarkable woman. She is sometimes referred to as the "mother of the Irish invasion" since her sons, by various fathers, and her grandsons were the leaders of the invasion. She had, in the course of her eventful life, two lovers, two husbands, and many sons and daughters. Her father is quoted as saying that she had 10 children as a result of her matrimonial escapades, eight sons and two daughters, among them William fitzGerald de Windsor.

One of her lovers was King Henry I of England. Some years before she married Gerald, her father, the fierce old Prince of South Wales, was fighting the English under Henry, (then the Prince and later King). Henry succeeded in taking the lovely Nesta as hostage. By this royal lover, she had two sons; Meyler fitzHenry and the celebrated Robert of Gloucester. It would seem that Gerald, busily engaged in military business, could have had no peace about his wife, since she was clever as well as beautiful, and every warrior seems to have fallen in love with her.

In 1095, Gerald led an expedition against the Welsh on the borders of what is now Pembrokeshire. In 1100, he went to Ireland to secure for his lord, Arnulf Montgomery, the hand of the daughter of King Murrough in marriage. He was the first of the Geraldines to set foot in Ireland, where they were later to rule like kings. Later, Arnulf joined in a rebellion against the King, was deprived of his estates and exiled in 1102. Then the King granted custody of Pembroke Castle to Gerald. Later, he was appointed president of the County of Pembrokeshire.

But it was Nesta that occupied the center of their stage during their marriage. Her beauty continued to excite wonder and desire throughout Wales.

At Christmas in 1108, Cadwgan, Prince of Cardigan, invited the native chieftains to a feast at Dyvet (St. David's). Nesta's beauty was a subject of conversation. She excited the curiosity of Owen, the son of Prince Cadwgan, who resolved to see her. She was his cousin, so that the pretense of a friendly visit was easy. He successfully obtained admission with his attendants into Pembroke Castle. Her beauty -- it was even greater than he expected -- excited his lust. He determined to carry her off! In the middle of the night, he set fire to the castle, and his followers surrounded the room where Gerald and Nesta were sleeping. Gerald was awakened by the noise and about to discover the cause, but Nesta, suspecting some treason, persuaded him to make his escape. She pulled up a board and let her husband escape down a drain by a rope. Then Owen broke open the door, seized Nesta and two of her sons, and carried them off to Powys, leaving the castle in flames. Owen had his way with Nesta, (historians say that one of her ten children was his), though whether she yielded from desire or force was uncertain. But at her request, Owen hastened to send back the two sons to Gerald. When King Henry heard of Nesta's abduction, he was furious. He regarded it as an injury almost personal, since Gerald was not only his steward, but his particular friend.

The abduction of Nesta led to a war, which resulted in her return to her husband, and Owen fled to Ireland. Gerald took a conspicuous role in the fighting. In 1116, Henry ordered Owen, who had returned to Wales, to apprehend Gruffuyd, son of Rhys ap Tewdyr. As he passed through a wood on his march to join up with the royal forces, Owen seized some cattle. The owners of the cattle, as they fled, met Gerald, Constable of Pembroke. Gerald was also on his way to join the royal forces. When the cattle owners requested his assistance, he was only too delighted to have the opportunity for revenge for the insult to his honor done by Owen's abduction of Nesta. He lost no time in pursuing Owen, found him, and a skirmish followed. Owen was slain, an arrow piercing his heart, and Gerald's honor was avenged.

Gerald died about 1135, leaving three sons and a daughter by Nesta. They were: Maurice, one of the principal leaders of the Irish invasion in 1169; William, ancestor of the families of Carew, Grace, Fitzmaurice, Gerald, and the Keatings of Ireland; David, who became bishop of St. David's; and Angareth, wife of William de Bari, and mother of the historian, Gerald Cambrensis.

Nesta married again. Her second husband was Stephen, Constable of Cardigan, by whom she had one son, Robert fitzStephen. Nesta's children and their descendants constituted a menace to the English rule of Wales. Royal Welsh blood mingled with the blood of the nobles of Normandy in all the half-brothers, sons of Gerald of Windsor and Stephen of Cardigan. Bastard or legitimate, they were turbulent princes in a troubled land. Now fighting the Welsh natives, now allying themselves with their cousin, Nesta's brother Gruffuyd, the unconquered Prince of Wales, on whose head Henry had set "a mountain of gold", they remained a constant source of /trouble to the King, an ever-present threat to his security.

And so they fought, these Norman barons, and they went on fighting. It was the able and ambitious Henry II, one of England's really great kings, (the Henry of "Becket" and "Lion in Winter"), the father of Richard the Lionhearted and John of the Magna Carta, who was to find a solution. He was to give these Norman adventurers a free hand in Ireland. It was thus that the Norman invasion of Ireland came about, and the Geraldines arrived in 1169.

Nest was The beginning of the Tewdwr  "Tudor" dynasty....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nest_ferch_Rhys
Nest ferch Rhys (died after 1136) was a Welsh princess of Deheubarth who was renowned for her beauty.

Nest was the daughter of Prince Rhys ap Tewdwr by his wife, Gwladys ferch Rhiwallon. After her father's death in 1093, Deheubarth was conquered by the Normans and King Henry I of England appointed himself her protector. Nest is thought to have borne him a son, Henry FitzRoy (1103-1158).[1]

http://www.britannia.com/history/docs/giraldus.html

Britannia Sources of British History - Gerald of Wales (1146-1223), in his histories, left an account of the Norman invasion and conquest of Ireland. The Irish conquest was an extension of the conquest of Wales, an activity of Norman lords in the marches who were acting more or less independently of the crown. Once successful, their conquests were adopted by Henry II. It is interesting to note that the Fitzgerald family, represented here by Maurice Fitzgerald, are the ancestors of John F. and Robert Kennedy, and that they make their first appearance in Ireland as Anglo-Norman invaders and conquerors of the native Irish population.

http://www.welshleigh.org/genealogy/prichardancestry/prichardhistorical2.htm
Welsh Princes 2 - ancestors genealogy -

Incidentally, GRUFFUDD ap RHYS and GWENLLIAN are ancestors in the Tudor line of the present British royal family, through both their son the LORD RHYS and their daughter Gwenllian (J. Davies pp.140-1). Henry VII was a great grandson of Maredudd ap Tudur, whose mother descended from the LORD RHYS and father descended from RHYS’S sister Gwenllian.

In fact, Davies also shows that the present Queen descends from GRUFFUDD ap CYNAN in two other ways: through the Scottish kings and through Elizabeth of York, both by way of GRUFFUDD’S son Owain Gwynedd. More recent research, however, shows that the second of these lines is incorrect, as Elizabeth of York’s father Edward IV was illegitimate.

[Wicked Jester]

...and look what a good job it's already doing on this thread.

[ORECHICK]

  perhaps Bluebeam is going to be unveiled??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1371617/Prince-William-Kate-Middletons-Royal-wedding-UFO-sightings-forecast.html

Anyone ever heard of Rik Clay?

[ghost hacked]

Kate is damn ugly ..... compared to Diana.

Diana was a force of good to be reckoned with. That is why she was dealt with.    Might be a good thing she is not around to see her son follow the same path as Charles.

Maybe we will see them both abducted and probed 'Fire in the Sky' style.

A guy can dream.

[Freeski]

Kate is damn ugly ..... compared to Diana.

Diana was a force of good to be reckoned with. That is why she was dealt with.    Might be a good thing she is not around to see her son follow the same path as Charles.

Maybe we will see them both abducted and probed 'Fire in the Sky' style.

A guy can dream.

Ugly visually, or elitistly?

[EyesOpenWider]

..and Kate is related to:


"The New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston said Tuesday that Kate Middleton is an eighth cousin eight times removed, to George Washington. Their common ancestor, Sir William Gascoigne, died in 1487."

"Prince William and Middleton themselves are 15th cousins, through Sir Thomas Fairfax, who died during the reign of Henry VIII."


Got to keep those bloodlines pure...

Full article here:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/11/16/ma-genealogists-princes-fiance-has-ties-to-george-washington/

[Valerius]

Wasn't their some kind of big fracas between the colonies and the monarch of England at one time?

[Freeski]

Wasn't their some kind of big fracas between the colonies and the monarch of England at one time?

LOL! You are a conspiracy theorist whackjob! "Big fracas LOL!"

[TahoeBlue]

Got to keep those bloodlines pure...

The two bloodlines Rulers of Wales ("The Tudors") and The Rulers of Wessex and Kent : The Wuffing's Saxburga

Although subsequent genealogical relations are uncertain, St Seaxburh’s line may have continued through to Ecgberht II of Kent, who ruled c.765-84, and Ealhmund, king of Kent c.785. The latter was the father of Ecgberht, king of Wessex (802-839), grandfather of Ælfred the Great.

This would mean that Seaxburh would embody a genealogical link between the Wuffings and the West Saxon dynasty, from whom our present royal family is descended.

http://www.wuffings.co.uk/WuffMapLinks/StSeaxburh.html

St Seaxburh - the Wuffing princess Seaxburh -  [also known as Saxburga or Sexburga] According to Bede, Seaxburh was the eldest daughter of King Onna [ or Anna] (HE III, .  Through her marriage to Eorconberht, King of Kent (640-64), she was to become the mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother of kings and saints.

These and other royal and saintly descendants of the Wuffing princess Seaxburh can be seen in the genealogy below.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Wessex_family_tree.jpg


Also at the Norman Conquest: These  "Men of Kent" were "Invincible" - Submitted but Never Conquered by William the Bastard...

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Wessex_family_tree.jpg

Tahoe Blue

Since you seem to know so much about Anglo - Saxon history....

I would like you to discuss the TRUE story of King Author.

It's my understanding that the 'real' king Author that much has been written and exploited, actually set out to destroy the Anglo Saxon 'order' we have been stuck with today.  And that the current crown wrongly identifies the story of King Author as one of their own.

[TahoeBlue]

Tahoe Blue ... the current crown wrongly identifies the story of King Arthur as one of their own.
... you seem to know so much about Anglo - Saxon history      

See my Anglo-Saxon history: Outlawe Genealogy

Yes, that is the sort of correct . But give me a couple of days to document that. ...  Some of it has to do with the early Welsh stories ... Arthur was the "Proto" Welshman/Britain King after the Roman pullout. The History channel has done a good job with that in one show (The Barbarians II?).  

Little Doward - King Arthur's Cave - This has nothing to do with anything - but it is interesting... Herfordshire...  and another early Giant story....

http://www.showcaves.com/english/gb/caves/KingArthurOldham.html


http://www.ubss.org.uk/
http://www.ubss.org.uk/resources/proceedings/vol20/UBSS_Proc_20_1_75-76.pdf


http://www.showcaves.com/english/gb/caves/KingArthurOldham.html

[Mr] Cave, B V refers to a skeleton discovered in 1695. In that year a woman herding goats went into the cave and found a skeleton apparently with the remains of a spear. The skeleton was reported as being of gigantic proportions. The bones were collected and given to a surgeon in Bristol called Mr Pye. Extraordinarily though it seems he took them with him on a sea voyage to Jamaica, but the ship sank and the bones were lost.

The discovery has been linked by some with the early legend of Vortigern, a British prince who fought the advancing Anglo Saxon armies, whilst others say they are the bones of King Arthur

http://www.legendofkingarthur.co.uk/
The King Arthur of legend probably would have lived in post-Roman Britain. At a time when there was a power vacuum in Britain in the 5th and 6th centuries, the British had to defend themselves against several invasions. The most worrying of these invaders were the Angles and Saxons from northern Europe. It is during this fight for the control of Britain that the historical figure is thought to have lived.

Any battles King Arthur fought would probably have been against the Saxon invader, who had established themselves in the south east corner of England, and were expanding their territory both north and west. At the same time, their appear to have been Pict incursions into England from Scotland.


Best Guess, Arthur was: Ambrosius Aurelianus

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ambrosius_Aurelianus
Ambrosius Aurelianus, was a fifth century Roman leader in Britain who figures prominently in the early Arthurian legends.

According to the Celtic Christian writer Gildas, Ambrosius was a war leader of the Romano-British, possibly descended from Roman royalty, who won an important battle against the Saxons.

Accounts of the ninth century cast him as the antagonist of Vortigern, and the Historia Regum Britanniae, written around 1136 by Geoffrey of Monmouth, makes him a son of Constantine I, the brother of Uther Pendragon, and the person who ordered the building of Stonehenge.

Some scholars believe Ambrosius was the leader of the Romano-British at the Battle of Mons Badonicus and as such may have provided one of the historical bases for the legends of King Arthur.
...
The fact that Ambrosius Aurelianus resisted the Saxons and may have evolved through legend to become King Arthur remains an important aspect of the British national identity. As a war leader, he was valiant in his efforts to withstand ancient enemies and inspired the British people to celebrate his legacy by naming their children after him.

http://www.legendofkingarthur.co.uk/wales/little-doward.htm
http://www.legendofkingarthur.co.uk/legendary-characters/vortigern.htm
Little Doward, King Arthur - Vortigern, fled to one of his strongholds in Wales to escape St Germanus. He had a number of them from Gwynedd in the north, Dyfed in the west to this one, Little Doward, set high above a loop of the river Wye. - According to legend, Vortigern was trapped in a stronghold called Little Doward and burnt alive when Ambrosius, his successor, chased him there in his successful quest to take the high kingship.

http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/ambros.html
EBK King Ambrosius Aurelianus  (Born c.AD 403) alias Emrys Wledig - While under siege at Caer-Guorthigirn (Little Doward, Herefordshire), the fortress was miraculously struck by lightning. Vortigern and his entire garrison were burnt to death.
...
Ambrosius is credited, by Geoffrey, with the building of a monumental stone circle, the "Giant's Ring" (possibly Stonehenge or Avebury) on Mount Ambrius as a memorial to those massacred by the Saxons at the "Night of the Long Knifes" during King Vortigern's reign. He was buried there himself after being poisoned by a Saxon at Winchester (Caer-Guinntguic).

Ambrosius was certainly an historical figure as recorded by his near contemporary commentator, St. Gildas. In his "Ruin of Britain," the monk describes how the Saxons rampaged through the country before they "returned home". Then:

http://www.arthuriadofcatumandus.com/dates.php
458AD -   Feast of Long Knives - massacre of British leaders by the Saxons - Night of the Long Knives (Arthurian) - Saxons Takeover Kent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives_(Arthurian)
...
The story claims that the "Saxons" — which probably includes Angles and Jutes — arrived at the banquet armed with their long knives (seaxes) hidden on their persons. During the feast, on a given word of command, they pulled their knives and killed the unarmed Britons sitting next to them. Vortigern himself was spared, but all his men were butchered, except Eldol, Earl of Gloucester, who escaped. The historical existence of any of these events or persons is conjectural.

Long Knife = SEAX - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seax


See also: http://www.vortigernstudies.org.uk/vortigernhomepage.htm
Not about Arthur?
This study is different because it does not focus on the semi-legendary Arthur and the years immediately preceding him, but rather on the early years, focusing on the person of Vortigern instead. For those who want to read about Arthur, go to Faces of Arthur.
http://www.facesofarthur.org.uk/bibliograrth.htm

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

See my Anglo-Saxon history: Outlawe Genealogy

Yes, that is the sort of correct . But give me a couple of days to document that. ...  Some of it has to do with the early Welsh stories ... Arthur was the "Proto" Welshman/Britain King after the Roman pullout. The History channel has done a good job with that in one show (The Barbarians II?).  

Little Doward - King Arthur's Cave - This has nothing to do with anything - but it is interesting... Herfordshire...  and another early Giant story....

http://www.showcaves.com/english/gb/caves/KingArthurOldham.html


http://www.ubss.org.uk/
http://www.ubss.org.uk/resources/proceedings/vol20/UBSS_Proc_20_1_75-76.pdf


http://www.showcaves.com/english/gb/caves/KingArthurOldham.html

[Mr] Cave, B V refers to a skeleton discovered in 1695. In that year a woman herding goats went into the cave and found a skeleton apparently with the remains of a spear. The skeleton was reported as being of gigantic proportions. The bones were collected and given to a surgeon in Bristol called Mr Pye. Extraordinarily though it seems he took them with him on a sea voyage to Jamaica, but the ship sank and the bones were lost.

The discovery has been linked by some with the early legend of Vortigern, a British prince who fought the advancing Anglo Saxon armies, whilst others say they are the bones of King Arthur

http://www.legendofkingarthur.co.uk/
The King Arthur of legend probably would have lived in post-Roman Britain. At a time when there was a power vacuum in Britain in the 5th and 6th centuries, the British had to defend themselves against several invasions. The most worrying of these invaders were the Angles and Saxons from northern Europe. It is during this fight for the control of Britain that the historical figure is thought to have lived.

Any battles King Arthur fought would probably have been against the Saxon invader, who had established themselves in the south east corner of England, and were expanding their territory both north and west. At the same time, their appear to have been Pict incursions into England from Scotland.


Best Guess, Arthur was: Ambrosius Aurelianus

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ambrosius_Aurelianus
Ambrosius Aurelianus, was a fifth century Roman leader in Britain who figures prominently in the early Arthurian legends.

According to the Celtic Christian writer Gildas, Ambrosius was a war leader of the Romano-British, possibly descended from Roman royalty, who won an important battle against the Saxons.

Accounts of the ninth century cast him as the antagonist of Vortigern, and the Historia Regum Britanniae, written around 1136 by Geoffrey of Monmouth, makes him a son of Constantine I, the brother of Uther Pendragon, and the person who ordered the building of Stonehenge.

Some scholars believe Ambrosius was the leader of the Romano-British at the Battle of Mons Badonicus and as such may have provided one of the historical bases for the legends of King Arthur.
...
The fact that Ambrosius Aurelianus resisted the Saxons and may have evolved through legend to become King Arthur remains an important aspect of the British national identity. As a war leader, he was valiant in his efforts to withstand ancient enemies and inspired the British people to celebrate his legacy by naming their children after him.

http://www.legendofkingarthur.co.uk/wales/little-doward.htm
http://www.legendofkingarthur.co.uk/legendary-characters/vortigern.htm
Little Doward, King Arthur - Vortigern, fled to one of his strongholds in Wales to escape St Germanus. He had a number of them from Gwynedd in the north, Dyfed in the west to this one, Little Doward, set high above a loop of the river Wye. - According to legend, Vortigern was trapped in a stronghold called Little Doward and burnt alive when Ambrosius, his successor, chased him there in his successful quest to take the high kingship.

http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/bios/ambros.html
EBK King Ambrosius Aurelianus  (Born c.AD 403) alias Emrys Wledig - While under siege at Caer-Guorthigirn (Little Doward, Herefordshire), the fortress was miraculously struck by lightning. Vortigern and his entire garrison were burnt to death.
...
Ambrosius is credited, by Geoffrey, with the building of a monumental stone circle, the "Giant's Ring" (possibly Stonehenge or Avebury) on Mount Ambrius as a memorial to those massacred by the Saxons at the "Night of the Long Knifes" during King Vortigern's reign. He was buried there himself after being poisoned by a Saxon at Winchester (Caer-Guinntguic).

Ambrosius was certainly an historical figure as recorded by his near contemporary commentator, St. Gildas. In his "Ruin of Britain," the monk describes how the Saxons rampaged through the country before they "returned home". Then:

http://www.arthuriadofcatumandus.com/dates.php
458AD -   Feast of Long Knives - massacre of British leaders by the Saxons - Night of the Long Knives (Arthurian) - Saxons Takeover Kent

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives_(Arthurian)
...
The story claims that the "Saxons" — which probably includes Angles and Jutes — arrived at the banquet armed with their long knives (seaxes) hidden on their persons. During the feast, on a given word of command, they pulled their knives and killed the unarmed Britons sitting next to them. Vortigern himself was spared, but all his men were butchered, except Eldol, Earl of Gloucester, who escaped. The historical existence of any of these events or persons is conjectural.

Long Knife = SEAX - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seax


See also: http://www.vortigernstudies.org.uk/vortigernhomepage.htm
Not about Arthur?
This study is different because it does not focus on the semi-legendary Arthur and the years immediately preceding him, but rather on the early years, focusing on the person of Vortigern instead. For those who want to read about Arthur, go to Faces of Arthur.
http://www.facesofarthur.org.uk/bibliograrth.htm

Thank you so much for your hard work and response!

Where does the Holy Grail figure into this story?  Or was that just a distraction?

[TahoeBlue]

Thank you so much for your hard work and response!
Where does the Holy Grail figure into this story?  Or was that just a distraction?

Just keep asking those easy questions!

Traditional story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Lawrence
Lawrence of Rome - (c. 225 – 258) (Latin: Laurentius, meaning "laurelled") was one of the seven deacons of ancient Rome who were martyred during the persecution of Valerian in 258.
...
According to Christian history the Holy Grail is a relic that was sent by St Lawrence to his parents in northern Aragon. He entrusted this sacred chalice to a friend whom he knew would travel back to Huesca, remaining in the monastery of Saint John of Pena, core of spiritual strength for the emerging kingdom of Aragon. While the Holy Chalice's exact journey through the centuries is disputed, it is generally accepted by Catholics that the Chalice was sent by his family to this monastery for preservation and veneration. Historical records indicate that this chalice has been venerated and preserved by a number of monks and monasteries through the ages. Today the Holy Grail is venerated in a special chapel in the Catholic Cathedral of Valencia, Spain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail
The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (retitled Holy Blood, Holy Grail in the United States) is a controversial book by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln

In The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, the authors put forward a hypothesis that the historical Jesus married Mary Magdalene, had one or more children, and that those children or their descendants emigrated to what is now southern France.

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Well worth the read, in that it doesn't matter if it's true, what matters is what they (the early royals) believed was true.

So you can see them arranging marriages for Hundreds of years. To the point that by the 1800's all the royal houses were all related to each other. It is no accident.  

Also, in England the story was that Mary (or her children) came and settled in Glastonbury ... (after Jesus, Mary had Other Children with Joseph.... what a concept....)

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/kt7-1.htm
62AD   -  Joseph of Arimathea with 12 missionaries landed on the Isle of Britain in 62 AD. - Philip the Apostle sent twelve Christians to Britain, one of whom was, Joseph of Arimathea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_the_Apostle

So the thought was the Joseph brought the Holy Grail with him to England......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail
...
The Holy Grail is a sacred object figuring in literature and certain Christian traditions, most often identified with the dish, plate, or cup used by Jesus at the Last Supper and said to possess miraculous powers. The connection of Joseph of Arimathea with the Grail legend dates from Robert de Boron's Joseph d'Arimathie (late 12th century) in which Joseph receives the Grail from an apparition of Jesus and sends it with his followers to Great Britain; building upon this theme, later writers recounted how Joseph used the Grail to catch Christ's blood while interring him and that in Britain he founded a line of guardians to keep it safe

http://www.britainexpress.com/Myths/Glastonbury.htm
Joseph of Arimathea - Joseph was the Biblical figure who took Jesus' body after the crucifixion. According to some legends he was actually Jesus' uncle, and had visited Britain years before with Jesus in the pursuit of his interests in the tin trade. It appears that there actually was a strong Jewish presence in the west of England at that time, and many of the tin miners may have been Jewish settlers.

At any rate, when Jesus died, Joseph thought it prudent to flee Palestine, and after many travails he came to Britain with a company of followers. He brought with him the Holy Grail, the cup used by Jesus at the Last Supper. Some versions of the legend have it that the Grail contained two drops of blood captured from Jesus' side when he was wounded on the cross.

When Joseph came to Britain he was granted land at Glastonbury by the local king. When he arrived at Glastonbury, Joseph stuck his thorn staff in the earth, whereupon it rooted and burst into bloom. A cutting from that first tree was planted in the grounds of the later Glastonbury Abbey, where it continued to bloom every year therafter at Christmas time. There is still a thorn tree in the Abbey grounds, of a variety native to the Holy Lands, and it does indeed bloom around Christmas time.

Joseph was said to have established the first church in England at Glastonbury, and archaeological records show that there may well have been an extremely early Christian church here. What happened to the Holy Grail is another matter. Some legends have it that Joseph buried the Grail at the foot of Glastonbury Tor, whereupon a spring of blood gushed forth from the ground.

There is a well at the base of the Tor, Chalice Well, and the water that issues from it does indeed have a reddish tinge to it, from the iron content of the water.

Other legends have it that the Holy Grail was interred with Joseph when he died, in a secret grave. The search for the mysterious Grail emerges again and again in the tales of Glastonbury.

\ - - -  update:
http://fullhomelydivinity.org/Glastonburytraditionsfullpage.htm
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One version of the story of Joseph of Arimathaea in Glastonbury goes so far as to say that his niece, Mary, went with him. As this account goes, Mary died in Glastonbury and was buried there on the site of the chapel which was erected in her name. While this account is at variance with the more universal tradition about the end of Our Lady’s earthly life, it may be regarded as an understandable embellishment of the tradition. Here is an ancient church, dedicated to Our Lady at a time when churches were often dedicated to the saint whose body rested in them. Excavations confirm that burial in or near this church was desired by many. The most likely explanation for this phenomenon is the presence of a saint. Whatever one may choose to think about this particular detail, we nevertheless have the witness of the ancient church itself and the statue which stood within it to a very early tradition of devotion to Our Lady at the very heart of the beginnings of Christianity in England.

Note: One could also say that there were descendants of "our lady" and that these were considered "royal"..... and that these would be married into the royal house of Wessex....

I can also tell you about a/the Holy Rood - which was one reason for the crusades - to bring back holy relics though this one was stolen from Constantinopole  during the sacking....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade
1202-04 - Fourth Crusade - Crusaders sack Constantinople   (so we soon see the appearance of the Holy Rood at Bronholm)

http://www.pastonheritage.co.uk/bromholmPriory01.html
The True Cross was said to be a part of the Cross of which Jesus Christ was crucified, ... the True Cross came from the Court of Baldwin 1 in Constantinople to a small village priory in Norfolk.  

http://www.pewterbank.com/Collecting_-_Pilgrims_Badges.....3.pdf
Bromholm Priory – a venerated simple Rood from Constantinople in 1204 – the Bromholm cross had two transverse pieces – (Rood removed in 1537)

Bromholm Priory On the village boundary, through the ruined gatehouse on Abbey Street, stand the remains of Bromholm Priory, once one of the most holy places in Europe. The priory was destitute until its Cluniac monks purchased what they believed to be a piece of the original crucifix from a priest who had, wandered Europe trying to find a buyer for this valuable piece of merchandise.

Once in their hands, the monks promptly used It to cure all kinds of diseases - even to raise people from the dead!
Its fame attracted pilgrims from all over Europe, including Henry III, and its name was immortalised in Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales."

http://books.google.com/books?id=Xifq5OE7174C&pg=PA207&lpg=PA207&dq=BROMHOLM+PRIORY+crusade&source=bl&ots=bnPp-we69s&sig=24yv96m7_VCNtqZM48ZJ60JYo4w&hl=en&ei=btzMTLzAII-CsQOf4fH3Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
Crusader art in the Holy Land: from the Third Crusade to the fall ...,
Volume 1 By Jaroslav Folda - The Holy Rood of Bromholm apparently arrive in England  before 1223 ( 1204 - see above)  from Constantinople by an English chaplain of the Latin emperor  Baldwin I.  ... it is clearly a double-armed cross , an image of the True Cross as the crusaders  had celebrated it in the Twelfth century prior to the battle at Hattin. 1226 Henry III made his first pilgrimage to Bromholm.

Update: I left out the French (connection) side of this with the Mary Magdalen story - (which also connects with England in that in the 1200's St Mary of Magdalen Hospitals start springing up to deal with the Leposy brought back by the crusades... Lazar Houses ... Also connected to the "St. John Hospitaller's" (Lazar houses were one of the original purposes )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
...
The French tradition of Saint Lazare of Bethany is that Mary, her brother Lazarus, and Maximinus, one of the Seventy Disciples and some companions, expelled by persecutions from the Holy Land, traversed the Mediterranean in a frail boat with neither rudder nor mast and landed at the place called Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer near Arles.

Mary Magdalene came to Marseille and converted the whole of Provence. Magdalene is said to have retired to a cave on a hill by Marseille, La Sainte-Baume ("holy cave." baumo in Provençal), where she gave herself up to a life of penance for thirty years. When the time of her death arrived she was carried by angels to Aix and into the oratory of Saint Maximinus, where she received the viaticum; her body was then laid in an oratory constructed by St. Maximinus at Villa Lata, afterwards called St. Maximin.


see: MILITARY & HOSPITALLER ORDER OF ST LAZARUS OF JERUSALEM THE LEPER IN ENGLAND WITH SOME ACCOUNT OF English Lazar Houses

There was a special order of Knights founded very early, in Jerusalem, united to the general order of the Knights Hospitallers, whose especial province was to look after the sick, particularly Lepers.
... "Master of Burton Lazar of Jerusalem in England"
The Lazar-houses of S. Leonard’s, Sheffield; Tilton, in Leicestershire; Holy Innocents’, Lincoln; S. Giles’, London; SS. Mary and Erkemould, Ilford, Essex; and the Preceptory of Choseley, Norfolk, besides many others, were annexed to it, as cells containing fratres leprosos de Sancto Lazaro de Jerusalem. The house received at least 35 different charters, confirmed by various sovereigns. Camden in his Britannia, p. 447, says that “The masters of all the smaller Lazar-houses in England, were in some sort subject to the Master of Burton Lazars, as he himself was, to the Master of the Lazars in Jerusalem.”

http://www.midsummercommon.org.uk/papers/Fairs.html

Cambridge Fairs -  Stourbridge Fair is of great antiquity. It seems probable that it was to this mart at Cambridge that the Irish merchants brought cloth and other goods in the 10th century reign of King Athelstan[39]. Another story is told about its originator being a clothier from Kendal who wetted his cloth, sold it as a bargain and returned the next year to many waiting townsfolks[40]. This early history has been disputed[41].

 It is known that in the early 12th century a Leper Chapel (also known as the Chapel of St. Mary Magdalene) was established close to Stourbridge Common and in 1199 it was given royal dispensation to hold a three day fair in order to raise money to support the lepers[42].

The Fair took place around the Vigil and Feast of the Holy Cross (12 and 14 September) on the Common[43].
King John formally granted the Fair to the brethren of the hospital of St. Mary Magdalen at Sterebridgen in 1211[44]. The Fair then grew to become the largest Medieval fair in Europe and raised so much money that the priest at the Leper Chapel became one of the most lucrative jobs in the Church of England[45]. The job was also a sinecure since, in 1279, the leper hospital ceased to admit new lepers and what few lepers remained were moved to a new colony near Ely[42]. The Chapel itself had no parish so there was no need to maintain any religious services there...

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The two bloodlines Rulers of Wales ("The Tudors") and The Rulers of Wessex and Kent : The Wuffing's Saxburga

   They would intermarry ... Merlin's vision:

White dragon (the Britains) and (Red Dragon the Saxons).

some links:

Post-Roman Archaeology Index
http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/archaeology/index.html

http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/archaeology/emrys.html

Dinas Emrys was the place where the Celtic God of Health & Healing, Lludd Llaw Ereint (the Silver-Handed) buried two fighting dragons on the advice of his brother Llefelys. Nennius, followed by Geoffrey of Monmouth, further wrote how centuries later, when the High-King Vortigern fled into Wales to escape the Saxon hoards, he chose this lofty hillfort as the site for his Royal Retreat. Every day his men would work hard erecting the first of several proposed towers for the palace; but the next morning they would return to find the masonry collapsed in a heap. This continued for many weeks until Vortigern was advised to seek the help of a young orphan boy born of the fairies. The King sent his soldiers out across the land to find such a lad. They were eventually successful at the city which became known as Caer Myrddin (Carmarthen).

The boy was called Myrddin Emrys, better known as Merlin today. He told Vortigern of the dragons fighting within the hillside beneath a pool and, when they were uncovered, he explained how the White Dragon of the Saxons though winning the battle at present, would soon be defeated by the British Red Dragon.

After Vortigern's downfall, the fort was given to High-King Ambrosius Aurelianus alias Emrys Wledig (the Imperator), hence its name.

Deganwy Castle, Llandudno, Gwynedd
http://www.earlybritishkingdoms.com/archaeology/deganwy.html

The place was burnt down when struck by lightning in AD 860. The castle was rebuilt in stone for King Henry III of England, but was finally destroyed by Prince Llywelyn ap Gruffudd (the last) in 1263.

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Update: I left out the French (connection) side of this with the Mary Magdalen story - (which also connects with England in that in the 1200's St Mary of Magdalen Hospitals start springing up to deal with the Leprosy brought back by the crusades... Lazar Houses ... Also connected to the "St. John Hospitaller's" (Lazar houses were one of the original purposes )

And of course Mary Magdalen may have had children with "holy grail"....  And of course All the rulers wanted to intermarry with christian princes and princesses (saints)....
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Magdalene
...
The French tradition of Saint Lazare of Bethany is that Mary, her brother Lazarus, and Maximinus, one of the Seventy Disciples and some companions, expelled by persecutions from the Holy Land, traversed the Mediterranean in a frail boat with neither rudder nor mast and landed at the place called Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer near Arles. ... Lazarus became, after the death of the good Maximin, the first bishop of Marseilles

Mary Magdalene came to Marseille and converted the whole of Provence. Magdalene is said to have retired to a cave on a hill by Marseille, La Sainte-Baume ("holy cave." baumo in Provençal), where she gave herself up to a life of penance for thirty years. When the time of her death arrived she was carried by angels to Aix and into the oratory of Saint Maximinus, where she received the viaticum; her body was then laid in an oratory constructed by St. Maximinus at Villa Lata, afterwards called St. Maximin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus
Lazarus is a name found in two separate contexts in the New Testament. Lazarus of Bethany is the subject of a miracle recounted only in the Gospel of John,[1] in which Jesus restores Lazarus to life after four days dead....He is identified as the brother of the sisters Mary and Martha. ...
...
The Military and Hospitaller Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem (OSLJ) was a religious/military order of chivalry which originated in a leper hospital founded by Knights Hospitaller in the twelfth century by Crusaders of the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem. The Order of Saint Lazarus is one of the most ancient of the European orders of chivalry, yet is one of the less-known and less-documented orders. The first mention of the Order of Saint Lazarus in surviving sources dates to 1142.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer ...
The three saints Mary Magdalene, Mary Salome and Mary Jacobe, whose relics are the focus of the devotions of pilgrims, are believed to be the women who were the first witnesses to the empty tomb at the resurrection of Jesus.

After the Crucifixion of Jesus, Mary Salome, Mary Jacobe, and Mary Magdalene set sail from Alexandria, Egypt with their uncle Joseph of Arimathea

see: MILITARY & HOSPITALLER ORDER OF ST LAZARUS OF JERUSALEM THE LEPER IN ENGLAND WITH SOME ACCOUNT OF English Lazar Houses

There was a special order of Knights founded very early, in Jerusalem, united to the general order of the Knights Hospitallers, whose especial province was to look after the sick, particularly Lepers.
... "Master of Burton Lazar of Jerusalem in England"
The Lazar-houses of S. Leonard’s, Sheffield; Tilton, in Leicestershire; Holy Innocents’, Lincoln; S. Giles’, London; SS. Mary and Erkemould, Ilford, Essex; and the Preceptory of Choseley, Norfolk, besides many others, were annexed to it, as cells containing fratres leprosos de Sancto Lazaro de Jerusalem. The house received at least 35 different charters, confirmed by various sovereigns. Camden in his Britannia, p. 447, says that “The masters of all the smaller Lazar-houses in England, were in some sort subject to the Master of Burton Lazars, as he himself was, to the Master of the Lazars in Jerusalem.”

http://www.midsummercommon.org.uk/papers/Fairs.html

Cambridge Fairs -  Stourbridge Fair is of great antiquity. It seems probable that it was to this mart at Cambridge that the Irish merchants brought cloth and other goods in the 10th century reign of King Athelstan[39]. Another story is told about its originator being a clothier from Kendal who wetted his cloth, sold it as a bargain and returned the next year to many waiting townsfolks[40]. This early history has been disputed[41].

 It is known that in the early 12th century a Leper Chapel (also known as the Chapel of St. Mary Magdalene) was established close to Stourbridge Common and in 1199 it was given royal dispensation to hold a three day fair in order to raise money to support the lepers[42].

The Fair took place around the Vigil and Feast of the Holy Cross (12 and 14 September) on the Common[43].
King John formally granted the Fair to the brethren of the hospital of St. Mary Magdalen at Sterebridgen in 1211[44]. The Fair then grew to become the largest Medieval fair in Europe and raised so much money that the priest at the Leper Chapel became one of the most lucrative jobs in the Church of England[45]. The job was also a sinecure since, in 1279, the leper hospital ceased to admit new lepers and what few lepers remained were moved to a new colony near Ely[42]. The Chapel itself had no parish so there was no need to maintain any religious services there...

http://www.thenazareneway.com/life_of_st_mary_magdalene.htm



Mary Magdalen by Da Vinci. Note she is holding a thin "veil" over her reproductive area and a red cloth in her left hand.

She was the "bleeding woman" whose bleeding stopped when "power went out from" Jesus. A woman's bleeding stops when she becomes pregnant..



Chapel on the cliff above the Caveat St. Baume where Mary Magdalene is believed to have been carried to heaven by angels.

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This professional welfare scammer wedding of noble-socialist single parent public welfare recipients is a horrific fascist joke in this day and age. Why are their welfare benefit cheques so much higher than everyone elses? Do they have a welfare seniority system in England or something?

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Yes it is interesting that in modern times the Rothschilds succeeded in  "bastardizing" the royal lines to the extent that all the Male royals today are descended from the Bauers-Rothschild

First of the Rothschilds -- Mayer Amschel Bauer was born in Frankfurt-On-The-Main in Germany in 1743


Amschel_Mayor_James_Rothschild - Prince William

[ekimdrachir]

they are insulting us on Canadian TV, mocking us and showing us how to do the
"twist from the wrist", and doing specials as if this is the event of a millennium.

they treat us like we are just here to grovel over them.

OH WILLIAM WHAT A HANDSOME MAN AND MARRYING A COMMONER LIKE US
HES OBVIOUSLY A VERY VERY VERY NICE MAN AND WILL BE A WONDERFUL KING



http://shows.ctv.ca/RoyalWedding.aspx



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COUNTDOWN UNTIL THE WEDDING  : 12 days 11 hours 00 minutes

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Not everyone loves him though.

Prince William gets a royal bashing from Pink



Punk rocker Pink is apparently very, very, very angry at England’s future King. Pink reportedly sent him a letter six years ago, questioning his love of hunting animals as a hobby – and he has yet to reply.



The singer tells Q magazine: “I wrote to him to protest about foxhunting and I figured he would be this stuffy, privileged a**hole. But he’s like a redneck from the south. If you’re brought up shooting and hunting animals, if you really think it’s second nature and you’re blasting away then it’s hard to see the other point of view. You need educating.”



A rock star in all her majesty! Wills we suggest getting back to Pink on this one.

[Freeski]

"Everything you need to keep up on the Royals"

LOL - screw off and get out of my country!

Like I give a crap. 12 days eh?

[ekimdrachir]

Royal Gossip - Prince William for King and Kate Middleton for Queen?

Will Prince William be the next heir to the throne? If it were up to the public, they would choose Prince William (King) and Kate Middleton (Queen) to take the throne of England and become the next King and Queen. The latest poll by Panelbase indicates that more than half of residents in the United Kingdom would like to see Prince William take the crown. To be fair, 40 percent of those polled want Prince Charles to success Queen Elizabeth II. (Those must be all of the old fogies that were polled). Unfortunately, it’s not up to a voting process. That is why it is called a monarchy!

According to tradition (because with the Royals, everything goes according to tradition), the heir to the throne goes to the first-born male. Always! The first born male takes precedence. If that heir has a male child, then he jumps next in line, regardless of their fathers siblings. If there is another son born, then that child is considered back up. Here is how it lays out now in succession:

   1. The current monarch, Queen Elizabeth II
   2. Prince Charles
   3. Prince William
   4. Will’s younger brother, Harry
   5. Then comes Chuck’s younger brother, Andrew
   6. And his kids—Beatrice and
   7. Eugenie
   8. Followed by the Charles’s next youngest sibling, Edward, his progeny, and so on and so on.

Will the Royals ever get with the times and have a woman stand in line for the throne? I doubt it. But, it’s quite possible that Prince William and Kate Middleton will see the throne at some point in their lifetime.

William I (circa 1028 – 9 September 1087), also known as William the Conqueror (Guillaume le Conquérant), was the first Norman King of England from Christmas 1066 until his death. He was also Duke of Normandy from 3 July 1035 until his death, under the name William II. Before his conquest of England, he was known as William the Bastard because of the illegitimacy of his birth.



Claim to the English throne

Upon the death of the childless Edward the Confessor, the English throne was fiercely disputed by three claimants—William; Harold Godwinson, the powerful Earl of Wessex; and the Viking King Harald III of Norway, known as Harald Hardrada. William had a tenuous blood claim through his great aunt Emma (wife of Ethelred and mother of Edward). William also contended that Edward, who had spent much of his life in exile in Normandy during the Danish occupation of England, had promised him the throne when he visited Edward in London in 1052. Further, William claimed that Harold had pledged allegiance to him in 1064: William had rescued the shipwrecked Harold from the count of Ponthieu, and together they had defeated Conan II, Duke of Brittany. On that occasion, William had knighted Harold; he had also, however, deceived Harold by having him swear loyalty to William himself over the concealed bones of a saint.

In January 1066, however, in accordance with Edward's last will and by vote of the Witenagemot, Harold Godwinson was crowned King by Archbishop Aldred.

To skip a generation would require an Act of Parliament as the succession to the throne is controlled by law. There is no clamour at the moment for the throne to pass direct to William. Of course there's always the chance that Charles may predecease his mother in which case the throne will pass direct to William, but longetivity runs in the Royal Family (the Queen Mother was 101 and Prince Philip turns 90 this year).

[ekimdrachir]

Another reason for hyping this event; more FF's

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f83_1302989538
FANATICAL Muslim groups have promised to use the royal wedding to unleash terrorism attacks
Amid rising fears that the April 29 wedding will be targeted, Scotland Yard and anti-terror chiefs plan to roll out the most rigorous security operation in recent British history.

In response to the recent threats, security chiefs have planned a "ring of steel" around the wedding.

Preparations include responding to a co-ordinated gun and bomb assault similar to the 2008 Mumbai attacks that k More..illed 164 people.

Thousands of uniformed police carrying automatic weapons and Tasers will patrol the million-strong crowd expected to line the wedding route, according to reports.

Snipers will cover rooftops, 35 sniffer dogs will patrol the Abbey area, and an elite SAS team will be on standby to respond to any attacks.
The royal family, VIP guests and foreign dignitaries, including Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Governor-General Quentin Bryce, will travel to the Abbey in armed coaches.

Before entering the church all guests will undergo a nine-point security check, including three at gunpoint.

Royal officials refused to comment on the wedding security operation.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "When planning for major events the threat of terrorism is always a consideration. The royal wedding is no exception."

Concerns that chaos might ensue on London's streets were strengthened when the Britain-based group Muslims Against Crusades promised to cause violent disruptions outside Westminster Abbey.
The group's website features a clock counting down to the wedding and images of shattered glass and dead bodies.

Muslims Against Crusades declined to comment but a statement online promised a "forceful demonstration".a royal wedding terror attack was "highly likely" and warned all Muslims to stay away from Westminster Abbey on April 29.

"Maybe when the priest says `is there anyone who objects to this wedding speak now or forever hold your tongue' - who knows what will happen at that time?"Community leaders of England's 2.4 million Muslims said they were disgusted by the threats.

"Those individuals are in the absolute minority. They do not speak for Muslim community," Federation of Muslim Organisation's spokesman Suleman Nagdi MBE said.

Birmingham University's expert on Islamophobia and Muslim issues, Dr Chris Allen, said the threats were "not reflective of the wider Muslim community".

"The attitude towards the royal wedding is one of ambivalence," he said.

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Yes it is interesting that in modern times the Rothschilds succeeded in  "bastardizing" the royal lines to the extent that all the Male royals today are descended from the Bauers-Rothschild

First of the Rothschilds -- Mayer Amschel Bauer was born in Frankfurt-On-The-Main in Germany in 1743


Amschel_Mayor_James_Rothschild - Prince William

I really do not like this pic of Amschel_Mayor_James_Rothschild.  It's eyes follow you, really creepy.

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I really do not like this pic of Amschel_Mayor_James_Rothschild.  It's eyes follow you, really creepy.

Yes a suicide too:


Amschel Mayor James Rothschild (18 April 1955 – 8 July 1996, Paris)
Rothschild committed suicide in July 1996. He was found hanged at the Hotel Bristol in Paris

Check out Victor's history...
Victor Rothschild - MI-5 - Mossad

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http://www.fashionandrunway.com/fashion/article.cfm?id_articolo=25478
Britain's Prince William and future-wife Kate Middleton will receive a Jewish style marriage contract as a wedding present.

British-born Israeli designer Michael Horton is creating the gift - named a Ketubah - inscribed with a non-religious script in both Hebrew and English.  It reads: "May we remain committed to each other's physical and mental well-being, and to each other's emotional and spiritual growth."

The gift was presented to Matthew Gould, Britain's Ambassador to Israel, at a special ceremony earlier this week, and he promised he would deliver the present which he praised as "an extremely appropriate and lovely gift".

http://www.makemyfamilytree.com/articles/princess_kate_middleton_family_tree_and_biography.html

The daughter of self made millionaires, Michael and Carol Middleton, Princess Kate and her two siblings Phillippa and James attended the prestigious boarding school at Marlborough College. This $30K education allowed her to excel in academics and as an athlete on the field hockey field, as well as a runner for the cross country team. Later Kate Middleton attended the Univerisity of St. Andrews to study Art History and where she will meet her prince charming, Prince William.

Grandfather - Ronald John James Goldsmith

Born in 1931, The maternal grandfather to Kate and a builder by trade and at times a lorry driver.

Great Grandmother - Edith Eliza Chandler Goldsmith

After her husband's early death from emphysema, Edith worked in a Jam factory to support herself and her youngest two children, including Kate Middleton's grandfather, Ronald.

Great Grandfather - Stephen Charles Goldsmith

Believed to be Kate Middleton's connection to the Jewish faith. Stephen Goldsmith fought in WWI and developed emphysema which led to his death.

[Freeski]

It think it was today's AJ show where he said she was likely to follow Diana's fate. It's pretty sick to realize that the elite will kill whomever they choose to further the agenda.

[ekimdrachir]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wedding_guests_of_Prince_William_of_Wales_and_Kate_Middleton

There are many notable guests invited for the wedding of Prince William of Wales and Kate Middleton on 29 April.[1] Below a list with guests who have confirmed that they will attend the wedding:

Royal family and relatives

    * HM Queen Elizabeth II and HRH The Duke of Edinburgh[2]
          o TRH The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall[2]
                + HRH Prince Harry of Wales[2]
          o HRH The Princess Royal and Timothy Laurence[3]
                + Peter Phillips and Autumn Phillips[4]
                + Zara Phillips and Mike Tindall[4]
          o HRH The Duke of York[5]
                + HRH Princess Beatrice of York[5][6] and Dave Clark[7]
                + HRH Princess Eugenie of York[5][6]
          o TRH The Earl and Countess of Wessex[3]
                + Lady Louise Windsor
                + Viscount Severn
    * TRH The Duke and Duchess of Gloucester[8]
          o Lady Davina Lewis and Gary Lewis[9]
    * TRH The Duke and Duchess of Kent[8]
    * TRH Prince and Princess Michael of Kent[8]
    * HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy

[edit] Spencer family

    * Lady Sarah McCorquodale (eldest sister of late Diana, Princess of Wales)
    * The Rt Hon. The Lady Fellowes (2nd sister of Diana, Princess of Wales)
    * The Rt Hon. The Earl Spencer (only brother of Diana, Princess of Wales)[10]
          o Lady Kitty Spencer[7]

[edit] Middleton family and relatives

    * Michael Middleton and Carole Middleton (father and mother of the bride Kate Middleton)[2]
          o Pippa Middleton (younger sister of Kate Middleton)[2] and Alex Loudon[11]
          o James Middleton (younger brother of Kate Middleton)[2]
    * Gary Goldsmith (only brother of Carole Middleton) and Luan Goldsmith[12]
          o Tallulah Goldsmith[12]
    * Other relatives include Matita Glassborow, Jean Harrison, Stephen Lupton, David Middleton, Elizabeth Middleton, Timothy Middleton, John Middleton, Richard Middleton, Simon Middleton, Nicholas Middleton, Adam Middleton and Lucy Middleton.[12]

[edit] Foreign royals

    * HH The Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi[13]
    * HRH The Margrave and HI&RH Margravine of Baden[14][15]
    * TRH The Duke and Duchess of Brabant[16]
    * HM The Sultan of Brunei[17]
    * HM The Queen of Denmark[18]
    * TM King Constantine II and Queen Anne-Marie of Greece[16][15]
          o TRH The Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Greece[15][19][15]
    * TSH The Prince and Princess of Hohenlohe-Langenburg[20][14][15]
    * TM The King and Queen of Jordan[17]
    * TRH The Grand Duke and Grand Duchess of Luxembourg[21]
    * TM The Yang di-Pertuan Agong and Raja Permaisuri Agong of Malaysia[22]
    * HSH The Sovereign Prince of Monaco and Miss Charlene Wittstock[17]
    * TRH The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima of the Netherlands.[17]
    * TM The King and Queen of Norway[17][23]
    * HM The Sultan of Oman[17]
    * HH Sheikha Mozah of Qatar[17]
    * HM The King of Saudi Arabia[13][24]
    * TM King Michael I and Queen Anne of Romania[15][19]
    * TRH The Crown Prince and Crown Princess of Yugoslavia[16][15]
    * HM The Queen of Spain[25]
          o TRH The Prince and Princess of Asturias[17]
    * TRH The Crown Princess of Sweden and The Duke of Västergötland[17][23]
    * HRH Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn of Thailand[26]
    * HM The King of Tonga[27]

[edit] Politicians and Diplomats

    * HE The Most Hon. Sir Patrick Allen (Governor-General of Jamaica)[20]
    * HE Sir Frederick Ballantyne (Governor-General of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines) and Lady (Sally-Ann) Ballantyne[28]
    * Richard Benyon (British Conservative MP for Newbury)[29] and Zoe Benyon[12]
    * HE Dr. Georg Boomgaarden (German ambassadors to the UK)[20]
    * HE Dr. Quentin Bryce (Governor General of Australia) and Dr. Michael Bryce[30]
    * The Rt Hon. David Cameron (British Prime Minister)[20]
    * The Rt Hon. Nick Clegg (British Deputy Prime Minister)[20]
    * HE Sir Arthur Foulkes (Governor General of the Bahamas) and Lady (Joan Eleanor) Foulkes[31]
    * The Hon. Julia Gillard (Prime Minister of Australia) and Tim Mathieson[30]
    * The Hon. Dr. Ralph Gonsalves (Prime Minister of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines) and Eloise Gonsalves[32]
    * The Rt Hon. Hubert Ingraham (Prime Minister of the Bahamas) and Delores Miller[31]
    * HE Ja Song-nam (North Korea's ambassador to the UK)[29]
    * HE The Rt Hon. Dr. David Johnston (Governor General of Canada) and Dr. Sharon Johnston
    * HE Sir Frank Kabui (Governor-General of the Solomon Islands) and Lady (Grace) Kabui[33]
    * The Rt Hon. John Key (Prime Minister of New Zealand) and Bronagh Key[30]
    * The Rt Hon. Ed Miliband (Leader of the Labour Party)[20]
    * The Hon. Ralph T. O'Neal (Premier of the British Virgin Islands)[20]
    * HE Ron Prosor (Ambassadors of Israel to the UK)[20]
    * HE The Rt Hon. Sir Anand Satyanand (Governor General of New Zealand) and Lady (Susan) Satyanand[30]
    * HE Louis Susman (United States ambassador to the UK)[20]
    * HE Barbara Tuge-Erecińska (Polish ambassador to the UK)[20]
    * HE Christian Wulff (President of Germany)[34] and Bettina Wulff[14]

[edit] Religious figures

    * H.Em. Seán Cardinal Brady (Irish Roman Catholic Cardinal and Archbishop of Armagh)[35]
    * Rabbi The Rt Hon. The Lord Sacks (Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth)[36]
    * Ven. Bogoda Seelawimala Nayaka Thera (Head Priest of the London Buddhist Vihara)[36]

[edit] Friends of Prince William and Kate Middleton

    * Olivia Bleasdale, Oli Baker, and Fergus Boyd (former roommates at St Andrews)[11]
    * Tom Bradby (ITN political editor) and wife Claudia Bradby (jewellery designer, worked with Middleton when she was an intern at Jigsaw)[7]
    * Sir Richard Branson and Lady (Joan) Branson[37]
          o Holly Branson (daughter of Sir Richard Branson and a close friend of the couple)[4][37]
    * Sir Henry Cheape[11]
    * Edward, Hugh, Nicholas and William van Cutsem (family friends since the Prince's childhood)[4]
    * Chelsy Davy (on-and-off girlfriend Prince Harry)[11]
    * Rupert Finch (ex of Middleton)[11]
    * Ben Fogle (TV presenter) and wife Marina Fogle[7]
    * Alicia Fox-Pitt (sister of William Fox-Pitt and sone of Middleton's oldest friends)[4]
    * Virginia Fraser (neighbor of the couple while at St Andrews)[11]
    * Astrid Harbord[4]
    * Loha aka Muzammil Shadab
    * David Jardine-Paterson and Emilia d'Erlanger (banking heir and Prince William's friend; the couple attended their wedding last year)[4]
    * James Jardine-Paterson (banking heir and Prince William's friend)[11]
    * Arthur Landon and Katalina Landon (millionaire with mother; Prince William's friend)[11]
    * Captain Jack Mann (polo player and Prince William's friend)[11]
    * Willem Marx (high school boyfriend of Middleton)[11]
    * Harry Meade (An Old Etonian, friend of the couple)[4]
    * Richard Meade (Olympic gold medalist and Prince William's friend)[11]
    * The Hon. Drummond Money-Coutts (magician)[7]
    * James Murray Wells (a successful entrepreneur and Old Harrovian)[4]
    * Guy Pelley (long-time friend of the Prince)[4]
    * Earl Percy, Lord Max Percy, Lady Melissa Percy, and Lady Catherine Valentine (The 12th Duke of Northumberland's children)[4]
    * Anand Shimpi (American computer businessman and Prince William's friend) with family
    * Thomas van Straubenzee (friend of Prince William since Prep School)[4]
    * Luke and Mark Tomlinson (friends of Prince William)[4]
    * Ben Vestey (polo player) and Chloe Vestey (Prince William's friends)[11]
    * Susanna and Jake Warren (grandchildren of the Queen's former racing manager, the Earl of Carnarvon)[11]
    * Isabella Anstruther-Gough-Calthorpe, Jecca Craig, Davina Duckworth-Chad, Olivia Hunt, and Arabella Musgrave (Prince William's exes)[11]

[edit] Celebrities and other Notable guests

    * Gregory Allen (yoga teacher)[29]
    * The Hon. Brian Alexander (Managing Director of The Mustique Company and future Earl Alexander of Tunis)[29]
    * Joe Allbritton (former owner of Riggs Bank)[38]
    * Rowan Atkinson[29]
    * David Beckham and Victoria Beckham[29]
    * The Rt Hon. The Viscount Bridport[12]
    * Dr. Michael Bunbury (doctor at Mustique)[29]
    * Basil Charles (owner of Basil’s Bar)[29]
    * Manuel Colonques (Chairman of Porcelanosa)[38]
    * Marquess Vittorio Frescobaldi (wine magnate and head of the Italian noble family Frescobaldi)[38]
    * Rear admiral Sir Donald Gosling (co-founder National Car Parks) and Gabriella Di Nora (former Princess Diana’s personal shopper)[38]
    * Sir Elton John and David Furnish [39]
    * Count Tibor Kálnoky (Romanian nobleman and landlord who manages Prince Charles' properties in Transylvania)[38]
    * Timur Kuanyshev (Kazakh tycoon)[38]
    * Sir John Madejski (Chairman of Reading Football Club)[29]
    * Hugh Morrison (horse trainer) and Mary Morrison[12]
    * Philippa Naylor (designer)[12]
    * Tara Palmer-Tomkinson[40]
    * Pedro Pesudo (Director of Porcelanosa)[38]
    * Juergen Pierburg (billionaire, art collector and philanthropist)[38]
    * Roger Pritchard (Managing Director of The Mustique Company)[29]
    * Guy Ritchie[29] and Matthew Vaughn[41]
    * Lily Safra (Brazilian-Monegasque philanthropist)[42]
    * Richard Schaffer (tennis coach at Mustique)[29]
    * Lucia Santa Cruz (daughter of former Chilean ambassador and first girlfriend of Prince Charles)[38]
    * Sir Clive Woodward and Lady (Jane) Woodward[12][29]
    * Jon Zammett (Head of public relations of the German car manufacturer Audi)[43]
    * Members of the search and rescue flight C Flight 22 (at RAF Valley in Anglesey), including Wing Commander Iain Wright, Squadron Leader David Taylor, Flight Lieutenant Thomas Bunn, Flight Lieutenant Al Conner, Sergeant Keith Best, with wives.[44]

[edit] Maid of Honour and Bridesmaids, Best Man and Page Boys

The groom's father, the Prince of Wales, has released the official cadre of bridesmaids, pages and the overall makeup of the wedding party:[45]
[edit] Maid of Honour and Best man

    * Pippa Middleton, the Maid of Honour
    * Prince Harry of Wales, the Best man

[edit] Bridesmaids and Page Boys

    * Lady Louise Windsor (Aged 7 – daughter of The Earl and Countess of Wessex)
    * The Hon. Margarita Armstrong-Jones (Aged 8 – daughter of Viscount and Viscountess Linley)
    * Grace van Cutsem (Aged 3 – daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Hugh van Cutsem, and godchild of Prince William)
    * Eliza Lopes (Aged 3 – daughter of Mr. Harry Lopes and Mrs. Laura Lopes and step-niece of Prince William)
    * Billy Lowther-Pinkerton (Aged 10 – son of Mr. and Mrs. Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton)
    * Tom Pettifer (Aged 8 – son of Mr. and Mrs. Charles Pettifer, and godchild of Prince William)

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There are many notable guests invited for the wedding of Prince William of Wales and Kate Middleton
    * HM The Sultan of Oman[17]
    * HH Sheikha Mozah of Qatar[17]
    * HM The King of Saudi Arabia[13][24]
    * HM The Sultan of Brunei[17]

Will there be slaves?

Sheikha Mozah Bint Nasser Al-Missned. He is owner of the Arabian news channel Al-Jazeera


http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/109566
Historical accounts and references to slave-owning nobility in Arabia, Yemen and elsewhere are frequent into the early 1920s.[35]

 In 1953, sheikhs from Qatar attending the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II included slaves in their retinues, and they did so again on another visit five years later (1958) .[36]  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade#_note-34



http://www.danielpipes.org/2687/saudis-import-slaves-to-america
Saudis Import Slaves to America by Daniel Pipes New York Sun June 16, 2005

Homaidan Ali Al-Turki, 36, and his wife, Sarah Khonaizan, 35, appear to be a model immigrant couple. They arrived in America in 2000 and now live with their four children in an upscale Denver suburb. Mr. Al-Turki is a graduate student in linguistics at the University of Colorado, specializing in Arabic intonation and focus prosody. He donates money to the Linguistic Society of America and is chief executive of Al-Basheer Publications and Translations, a bookstore specializing in titles about Islam.

Last week, however, the FBI accused the couple of enslaving an Indonesian woman who is in her early 20s. For four years, reads the indictment, they created "a climate of fear and intimidation through rape and other means." The slave woman cooked, cleaned, took care of the children, and performed other tasks for little or no pay, fearing that if she did not obey, "she would suffer serious harm." ...

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/10/homaidan-ali-al-turki-colorado-slave-holder
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Sep. 1, 2006 update: Homaidan Al-Turki was sentenced to 27 years in prison

[America2]

Maybe this may mean nothing - but watch out for the NBA's 8th seeded Memphis Grizzlies(which are already playing gangbusters in the playoffs).

Pt being that isn't Memphis right smack on the New Madrid? So why not keep the masses near that border pretty distracted? And isn't the MSM starting to get the word out over an imminent quake on the New Madrid?

Again, maybe it may mean nothing, but if you see the Grizzlies continuing to go deeper in the playoffs...