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« Reply #80 on: March 16, 2011, 06:55:52 AM » |
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No reports on Kyushu. Believe me, I am interested in that particular area, as well as others. If I find out any other intel, I will pass it along. Unfortunately SPEEDI is down, or is being outright CENSORED. Who knows? So we have little real data to interpret for ourselves. I do not trust the official Japanese government response anymore since they have been outright lying for 72 hours now. Cesium has been detected. This is very serious. Cesium kills. It is only released from meltdowns, and was detected three days ago. http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011031600567Radiation Levels 6,600 Times Normal 20km Away from Fukushima N-Plant |
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« Reply #82 on: March 16, 2011, 07:34:22 AM » |
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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/visual-map-real-time-japanese-radiation-levelsZerohedge has done a super job which shows the intelligence that was good up until about 3:00 am Central time this morning. There are a series of maps which purport to show radiation level, power blackouts, and wind direction. The only problem is that the radiation levels are now NOT CORRECT since the values they superimposed were from SPEEDI (the radiation detection system which the Japanese government says is off-line). The values at SPEEDI are stuck and not updating, so one cannot merely just go to the website anymore to see the actual values. Still the maps are good since you can see how the wind is blowing the radiation cloud out to sea away from Japan, and also see just how many power blackouts there are (sometimes on a rotating basis).
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« Reply #85 on: March 16, 2011, 08:15:51 AM » |
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Here are some sources to check for intelligence on the radiation leaks. We have no hard data now, and we have to rely upon Japanese news outlets. The more people checking, the better our chances at getting a clear picture. I'm only one person. http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspxhttp://jen.jiji.com/http://www.japantimes.co.jp/It's very hard to watch the first one, there are families combing the wreckage, looking for any point of reference based upon their missing family members last known location, in many cases they cannot determine anything based upon the wreckage. Most often they are calling out their family member's names in vain. |
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« Reply #87 on: March 16, 2011, 08:26:21 AM » |
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Unbelievably, milk deliveries are still happening, but of course severely limited. It is VERY DANGEROUS to drink milk after a nuclear incident as it concentrates radiation.
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« Reply #92 on: March 16, 2011, 09:27:20 AM » |
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Don't get me wrong I do like your post. I DO have 1 problem with the link you provided. "Even the Chernobyl nuclear disaster, which had a far more serious release of radioactivity,"It's way to premature to make such a claim at this point considering all the lying on this thus far. Unless you are pushing the 'official' version of this disaster THUS FAR would you make such a claim. As far as radiation levels from this disaster are concerned, I want numbers NOT lip service. Japan's loving government was claiming radiation levels were minimal just a few kilometers from the reactor center. Japanese media took their own readings and the radiation pegged out the Geiger counter! So, they were unable to get a actual radiation reading. |
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« Reply #93 on: March 16, 2011, 09:35:15 AM » |
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Don't get me wrong I do like your post.
I DO have 1 problem with the link you provided.
"Even the Chernobyl nuclear disaster, which had a far more serious release of radioactivity,"
It's way to premature to make such a claim at this point considering all the lying on this thus far. Unless you are pushing the 'official' version of this disaster THUS FAR would you make such a claim.
As far as radiation levels from this disaster are concerned, I want numbers NOT lip service.
Japan's loving government was claiming radiation levels were minimal just a few kilometers from the reactor center. Japanese media took their own readings and they pegged out the Geiger counter! So, they were unable to get a actual radiation reading.
Yes, I agree, but it's an evolving situation, and the meteorologist in question, like most scientists, can only create a model based on the available data, not conjecture. That was the intel at the time when the model was created. http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdaysjapanblog.seesaa.net%2Farticle%2F190772977.htmlNew information, albeit translated intel from Japan. Some of the radiation monitors can NOT INTERPRET the radiation levels. They are pegged out since the radiation levels are more than the instruments can register. |
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« Reply #94 on: March 16, 2011, 09:40:47 AM » |
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Yes, I agree, but it's an evolving situation, and the meteorologist in question, like most scientists, can only create a model based on the available data, not conjecture. That was the intel at the time when the model was created.
I understand but, the 'available data' at the time was conjecture. As any good scientist would do, you make multiple models based on as many 'plausible' outcomes. |
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« Reply #96 on: March 16, 2011, 09:45:23 AM » |
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I understand but, the 'available data' at the time was conjecture. As any good scientist would do, you make multiple models based on as many 'plausible' outcomes.
Yes. If you can find a model of weather patterns, then I encourage you to do so. So far, I have spent more than forty hours of my personal time scouring the web for intel on radiation and weather patterns to give the prisonplanet crew a heads up. |
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« Reply #97 on: March 16, 2011, 09:50:06 AM » |
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WX patterns are only part of this equation, all be it an important part, the 'actual' severity of the damage to the reactors is the other part. Yes, it is a math problem in constant motion and evolution.
Thank you for all your hard work. I have some more comments to make.
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« Reply #98 on: March 16, 2011, 09:56:02 AM » |
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I would expect HAARP signatures BIGTIME across the fallout cloud region in order to redirect the cloud to the lower population density of the Northern aspects of Canada.
You certainly give our masters far more credit then I do. Considering the 'fine people' who are in control of it (HARRP) have a population reduction religion they've written much about. One consideration is, will the barium in the geo-engineering aerosol clouds (aka chemtrails) absorb radiation. It will absorb X-ray and gmama isotopes. Other than that, I really like all the hard work and material you have presented. |
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« Reply #99 on: March 16, 2011, 10:05:43 AM » |
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You certainly give our masters far more credit then I do. Considering the 'fine people' who are in control of it (HARRP) have a population reduction religion they've written much about.
One consideration is, will the barium in the geo-engineering aerosol clouds (aka chemtrails) absorb radiation. It will absorb X-ray and gmama isotopes.
Other than that, I really like all the hard work and material you have presented.
I don't trust the globalists and HAARP any more than most of the crew here at prosonplanet. HAARP ufortunantly along with other weather modification is just about the ONLY TOOL we have to send the radioactive cloud to the polar regions. http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/16_44.htmlA new source for Japanese news stories on the nuclear disaster (in English). http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/index.htmlUS to measure radioactivity in Japan They are deploying measuring equipment and 34 experts in to assist. |
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« Reply #100 on: March 16, 2011, 10:08:59 AM » |
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I don't trust the globalists and HAARP any more than most of the crew here at prosonplanet. HAARP ufortunantly along with other weather modification is just about the ONLY TOOL we have to send the radioactive cloud to the polar regions.
unfortunately 'WE' aren't at the controls of HARRP. |
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« Reply #102 on: March 16, 2011, 10:10:53 AM » |
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Maybe the forum monitors should change the title of this area from " Japan HAARP/STUXNET Earthquake/Nuke Attack during NLE11 is part of Kissinger's Nuclear Threat Initiative" to something more simple like "japan earthquake". It makes it difficult to find where people are discussing Japan tsunami and nuclear stuff.
Anyway, my friend with the US Dept of Energy has a job designing optics to detect very low levels of radioactive isotopes in soil samples (he's also a 9-11 truther). His take is that many of the radiation monitors were destroyed in the quake, and they have very poor data about the spread of radioactive substances. They just have a few positions around the nuclear plant, but no monitors in all the various villages.
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« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2011, 10:13:54 AM » |
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The more people checking, the better our chances at getting a clear picture. I'm only one person.
VERY VERY IMPORTANT POINT HERE. We need this right here in the US Canada ASAP. Like you said... if the WHO says "everything will be OK". I'm concerned. |
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« Reply #104 on: March 16, 2011, 10:16:59 AM » |
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Maybe the forum monitors should change the title of this area from " Japan HAARP/STUXNET Earthquake/Nuke Attack during NLE11 is part of Kissinger's Nuclear Threat Initiative" to something more simple like "japan earthquake". It makes it difficult to find where people are discussing Japan tsunami and nuclear stuff.
Anyway, my friend with the US Dept of Energy has a job designing optics to detect very low levels of radioactive isotopes in soil samples (he's also a 9-11 truther). His take is that many of the radiation monitors were destroyed in the quake, and they have very poor data about the spread of radioactive substances. They just have a few positions around the nuclear plant, but no monitors in all the various villages.
I heartily agree that we need to merely have a Japanese Earthquake subforum! It is confusing to find information the way it currently is formatted. We need one central location that is devoted to the earthquake, and not conjecture about whether the earthquake is related to Stuxnet or any other phenomena. Here is a new English language edition of a Japanese news agency: http://english.kyodonews.jp/The US is sending a spy plane for a closer look. We currently have multiple spy satellites, but of course, they would have to be retasked to look at the reactor locations as they pass, a very expensive proposition since they also are looking at important targets right now. I hope that we're sending in drones, that would make much more sense, and surely we can do that given the Naval forces in the Sea of Japan. It's both/and really. The high altitude spy plane is no doubt equipped for radiation measurement. To get closer look we need drones. All of the photographic surveillance to date has been poorly focused. http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78680.html |
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« Reply #105 on: March 16, 2011, 10:18:23 AM » |
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Maybe the forum monitors should change the title of this area from " Japan HAARP/STUXNET Earthquake/Nuke Attack during NLE11 is part of Kissinger's Nuclear Threat Initiative" to something more simple like "japan earthquake". It makes it difficult to find where people are discussing Japan tsunami and nuclear stuff.
Anyway, my friend with the US Dept of Energy has a job designing optics to detect very low levels of radioactive isotopes in soil samples (he's also a 9-11 truther). His take is that many of the radiation monitors were destroyed in the quake, and they have very poor data about the spread of radioactive substances. They just have a few positions around the nuclear plant, but no monitors in all the various villages.
Wholeheartedly agree with the 1st paragraph. As for the second, can you ask the soil sample engineer if similar technology exists that can take sea water readings? Is this being done, and who would be doing such work. |
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« Reply #107 on: March 16, 2011, 10:23:11 AM » |
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"No man can put a chain about the ankle of his fellow man without at last finding the other end fastened about his own neck." -Frederick Douglass
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« Reply #111 on: March 16, 2011, 10:36:34 AM » |
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Drudgereport has a devloping story: PENTAGON: US FORCES NOT ALLOWED WITHIN 50 MILES OF CRIPPLED NUKE. I will post the link ASAP
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« Reply #114 on: March 16, 2011, 11:01:04 AM » |
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We ordered all the meters -- geiger counter, dosimeter & stuff because can't trust the government to let us know -- have to measure for ourselves.
We'll keep a record, just because.
Love, e
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« Reply #115 on: March 16, 2011, 11:06:59 AM » |
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Three embassies in Tokyo have now closed: Bahrain, Angola, and Iraq. http://jen.jiji.com/jc/eng?g=eco&k=2011031601233Expect more to follow. Thousands of people are waiting at Narita Airport for permission to leave the country. They need re-admittance visas to return to Japan. Many flights are canceled. Some are taking expensive private planes to places like Hong Kong or Singapore. |
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« Reply #118 on: March 16, 2011, 11:16:38 AM » |
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My question when looking at the 'model' is the accuracy of the radiation readings. |
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« Reply #119 on: March 16, 2011, 11:24:11 AM » |
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I wouldn't trust these a holes if radiation levels ever exceeded 'plausible deniability' levels. The BP gulf disaster was a lesson on how to fudge data by some of these SAME players like NOAA. We need civilian monitoring stations in both Alaska and Hawaii to keep these SOB's in check if the levels do indeed exceed what they are predicting. |
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