PrisonPlanet Forum
May 19, 2013, 03:00:10 AM *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
 
   Home   Help Login Register  
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 [10] 11 12 13 14 15 16   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: Japan's nuke reactors being hit by Stuxnet as well as HAARP earthquake?  (Read 85303 times)
Dig
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 63,103



WWW
« Reply #360 on: March 14, 2011, 04:51:58 PM »

..within the scenario you provided perhaps.... I just don't see how it could be that elaborate, if you only saw the PAINS we go through to Mod or change anything within the plant..... we pay bookoo $$ for companies to continue to make out of date, technologically speaking, PLC's et al because you stick with what works, you don't make any changes on Safety related systems......

This is some of the most elaborate senior level analysis on STUXNET...the shit that the MSM does not want anyone to know. The threat is real and it must have involved the decades worth of collaboration between the software manufacturers and the hardware PLC manufacturers. Real deep shadow bullshit anti-constitutional treason involving the most powerful corporations (SIEMENS, GE, IBM, Microsoft) destined to wreak havoc on sovereign nations via the highest levels of industrial sabotage:



World Renowned Antivirus vendor ESET exposes Stuxnet in excruciating detail
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=188792.o
Logged

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
larsonstdoc
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 19,512



« Reply #361 on: March 14, 2011, 04:52:05 PM »



  This scale seems so arbitrary.  I mean, what is the difference between a serious accident and a major accident---it seems like the same term.
Logged
grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #362 on: March 14, 2011, 04:53:16 PM »

these BWR's typically run 2 yrs on a re-fuel if this reactor is due up for a re-fuel later this year this could limit the criticality of the vessel..... if it is just coming or recently been through its scheduled outage then the vessel is going to contain a good deal of fuel........

right so the further into the 2 years the more depleted the fuel and it would pack less of a punch.

Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
eddy64
Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 304


« Reply #363 on: March 14, 2011, 04:54:44 PM »

afp: japanese government says bottom part of nuclear reactor appears to be damaged, indicating possible serious radation leaks  -  just came up on sky news Sad
Logged
grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #364 on: March 14, 2011, 04:54:47 PM »


  This scale seems so arbitrary.  I mean, what is the difference between a serious accident and a major accident---it seems like the same term.

yeah especially considering all the conflicting reports.
Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #365 on: March 14, 2011, 05:00:22 PM »

right so the further into the 2 years the more depleted the fuel and it would pack less of a punch.



...in terms of reactivity it would be easier to shut down, heat decay is still heat decay..... and spent fuel is kept in 30 ft deep spent fuel pools for 5 yrs on the refuel floor, see they could of had damage to the SFP, and we don't know it, so the SPF could be overheating as well.... it utilizes recirc pumps and that water is Demin'd and cannot have any FM (foreign material) intrusion.........
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #366 on: March 14, 2011, 05:01:45 PM »

This is some of the most elaborate senior level analysis on STUXNET...the shit that the MSM does not want anyone to know. The threat is real and it must have involved the decades worth of collaboration between the software manufacturers and the hardware PLC manufacturers. Real deep shadow bullshit anti-constitutional treason involving the most powerful corporations (SIEMENS, GE, IBM, Microsoft) destined to wreak havoc on sovereign nations via the highest levels of industrial sabotage:



World Renowned Antivirus vendor ESET exposes Stuxnet in excruciating detail
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=188792.o

I will check the link.... because if that's the case...... that's some heavy shit, how do you compartmentalize such?
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #367 on: March 14, 2011, 05:03:04 PM »

if it is happening to the food and the medicine it is happening to teh fuel too!

thanks for this. needed to be saidf!!!!!!!!

what to the fuel? state side we have no Pluto. in the fuel.....
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
Jackson Holly
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,226


It's the TV, stupid!


WWW
« Reply #368 on: March 14, 2011, 05:04:43 PM »

thanx...really we have racked our brains trying to uncover the reasons why they were unable to achieve any Emergency cooling, why pressure climbed so high within the vessel, why where the diesel's fule tank above ground? why was the pressure so high for so long?.... make no mistake the core is undergoing a meltdown, and has been, theoretically the boron will kill reactivity and then decay heat must be controlled.... see what is being sought here, is every attempt to have an uncontrolled melt of the core that causes the vessel to breech...... so many things had to come together in order for this to happen the way it did..... its horrible... I keep wondering if the top of the inverted drywell was compromised when the explosion took place on the refuel floor? The vessel is housed behind a building inside a building.... ours is behind 6ft. of conc. the vessel itself is min. 6" thick superalloy steel, Made in Japan, with Stainless steel over top the steel... something that has been puzzling is why did the MSM state it would take 10 hrs to flood the drywell? ..it should take >10 min...... were they using firefighting hose? Seriously if all Safety System E. cooling pumps fail the fire brigade hits the bad boy..... how long ago was the reactor re-fueled? this is huge it was near the typical end of a 2 yr. run that would be very helpful......




Great info redeux ... wouldn't all the stop-gap measures be near impossible when the place is flooded with sea water and mud? And no power?

Did you see the satellite before and after pix of the site?



Logged

chrisfromchi
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3,181



« Reply #369 on: March 14, 2011, 05:07:21 PM »

shepard smith just said there was another explosion at unit 2
Logged
Jackson Holly
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 5,226


It's the TV, stupid!


WWW
« Reply #370 on: March 14, 2011, 05:12:21 PM »



I'm with AJ ... when the place is exploding ... it's time to get the h*ll out!

Logged

grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #371 on: March 14, 2011, 05:12:40 PM »

shepard smith just said there was another explosion at unit 2
talking now
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv#utm_campaigne=synclickback&source=http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/nhk-world-livestream&medium=7497266
Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
Dig
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 63,103



WWW
« Reply #372 on: March 14, 2011, 05:13:31 PM »

I will check the link.... because if that's the case...... that's some heavy shit, how do you compartmentalize such?

Manhattan Project involved 100,000 compartmentalized zombies and their power has risen since then.
Logged

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #373 on: March 14, 2011, 05:15:12 PM »

shepard smith just said there was another explosion at unit 2

evacuated the workers from the reactor
Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #374 on: March 14, 2011, 05:25:25 PM »

from my limited understanding this is looking bad.
quotes from newscast:

-  2.7 meters or one half of the rods are exposed
-  a drop from 3 bars to 1 bar in the containment vessel (meaning it is broken)
-  so the container that keeps the radiation inside has been broken
-  radiation can leak out either in liquid or aerosolized
-  887 microserviets (sp) readings -- very high
-  workers are told to leave
Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
chrisfromchi
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 3,181



« Reply #375 on: March 14, 2011, 05:27:10 PM »

from my limited understanding this is looking bad.
quotes from newscast:

-  2.7 meters or one half of the rods are exposed
-  a drop from 3 bars to 1 bar in the containment vessel (meaning it is broken)
-  so the container that keeps the radiation inside has been broken
-  radiation can leak out either in liquid or aerosolized
-  887 microserviets (sp) readings -- very high
-  workers are told to leave


I think they made the call to go live with the full on disaster in primetime.

fox is at least other channels not so much.

gemsnbc is talking about nuke power and selling thats its good

cnn is doing tsnami pics.

Logged
Dig
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 63,103



WWW
« Reply #376 on: March 14, 2011, 07:27:54 PM »

Stuxnet: A possible attack scenario
Symantec security researcher Liam O Murchu posits a possible Stuxnet worm attack scenario.
His speculation is driven by the technical features of the sophisticated malware threat.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/stuxnet-a-possible-attack-scenario/7420
By Liam O Murchu | October 1, 2010, 2:58pm PDT

The following is a possible attack scenario. It is only speculation driven by the technical features of Stuxnet.

Industrial control systems (ICS) are operated by a specialized assembly like code on programmable logic controllers (PLCs). The PLCs are often programmed from Windows computers not connected to the Internet or even the internal network. In addition, the industrial control systems themselves are also unlikely to be connected to the Internet.

First, the attackers needed to perform reconnaissance. As each ICS is quite custom, the attackers would first need design documents. These design documents may have been stolen by an insider or even retrieved by an early version of Stuxnet or other malicious binary. Once attackers had the design documents and potential knowledge of the computing environment in the facility, they would develop the latest version of Stuxnet. Each feature of Stuxnet was implemented for a specific reason and for the final goal of potentially sabotaging the ICS.

Attackers would need to setup a mirrored environment that would include the necessary ICS hardware, such as PLCs, modules, and peripherals in order to test their code. The full cycle may have taken six months and five to ten core developers not counting numerous other individuals, such as quality assurance and management.

In addition their malicious binaries contained driver files that needed to be digitally signed to avoid suspicion. The attackers compromised two digital certificates to achieve this task. The attackers may have compromised these digital certificates by physically entering the premises of the two companies and stealing them as the two companies are in close physical proximity.

To infect their target, Stuxnet would need to be introduced into the target environment. This may have occurred by infecting a willing or unknowing third party, such as a contractor who perhaps had access to the facility, or an insider. The original infection may have been introduced by removable drive.

Once Stuxnet had infected a computer within the organization it began to spread in search of Field PGs, which are typical Windows computers but used to program PLCs. Since most of these computers are non-networked, Stuxnet would first try to spread to other computers on the LAN through a zero-day vulnerability, a two year old vulnerability, infecting Step 7 projects, and through removable drives.

Propagation through a LAN likely served as the first step and propagation through removable drives as a means to cover the last and final hop to a Field PG that is never connected to an untrusted network.

While attackers could control Stuxnet with a command and control server, as mentioned previously the key com- puter was unlikely to have outbound Internet access. Thus, all the functionality required to sabotage a system was embedded directly in the Stuxnet executable. Updates to this executable would be propagated throughout the facility through a peer-to-peer method established by Stuxnet.

When Stuxnet finally found a suitable computer, one that ran Step 7, it would then modify the code on the PLC. These modifications likely sabotaged the system, which was likely considered a high value target due to the large resources invested in the creation of Stuxnet.

Victims attempting to verify the issue would not see any rogue PLC code as Stuxnet hides its modifications.

While their choice of using self-replication methods may have been necessary to ensure they’d find a suitable Field PG, they also caused noticeable collateral damage by infecting machines outside the target organization. The attackers may have considered the collateral damage a necessity in order to effectively reach the intended target.

The attackers likely completed their initial attack by the time they were discovered.


* Liam O Murchu is a researcher in Symantec’s security response team.  He co-wrote a dossier on Stuxnet with Nicolas Falliere and Eric Chien.

MORE:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/stuxnet-attackers-used-4-windows-zero-day-exploits/7347
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/inside-stuxnet-researcher-drops-new-clues-about-origin-of-worm/7409
Logged

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
Catalina
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 2,951


Government Censorship, Protecting You From Reality


« Reply #377 on: March 14, 2011, 07:30:09 PM »

This story backs up HAARP attack probability. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203493.0
Logged

Spare no cost for truth's sake, neither depart from it for any gain. -Proverbs 23:23

Bestow not the gifts that God has given you to get worldly riches. -Proverbs 23:4
WHAT HAPPENED
Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 285


G4M3 0V3R


« Reply #378 on: March 14, 2011, 07:32:42 PM »

This story backs up HAARP attack probability. http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203493.0

LOL i just posted the same thing  Grin
Logged
Letsbereal
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 26,870


Know Thyself


« Reply #379 on: March 14, 2011, 07:37:16 PM »

Main Story: TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF MOX FUEL IN LIGHT WATER REACTORS/THE REACTOR OPTION
http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/mox/puupdat4.txt

1. How Does It Work ?  Major Differences From Conventional LWRs

2. Will MOX Option Really Eliminate Plutonium?

3. Impacts on Radioactive Waste Management?

4. The Health and Environmental Effects of the Use of MOX


 
1. How Does It Work?  Major Differences From Conventional LWRs

Proponents of burning plutonium in mixed-oxide(MOX) fuel in LWRs often say that since plutonium already exists in the burned uranium fuel and is still burning, there will not be a big difference by increasing the amount of plutonium a little bit.

The fact is that great effort is put to make it "not a big difference."

In conventional LWRs, the uranium fuel has about 3% fissile uranium-235 and the rest is non-fissile uranium-238.  

When fissile uranium absorbs a neutron, it starts fissioning and releases energy, emitting several neutrons.  

One neutron will likely start another fission, creating a chain reaction, but the other neutrons must be controlled so that it will not make a massive reaction which will induce an uncontrolled chain reaction.

Control rods are designed to absorb the extra neutrons.

But some neutrons are also absorbed by the non-fissile uranium-238 and this decays into fissile plutonium-239.

In the beginning, the plutonium content is zero and the fissile uranium is about 3%.  

The fissile uranium decreases as they burn, creating plutonium at the same time.  

At the end of one reactor cycle, the content of fissile uranium is about 0.7%-0.8%, approximately equal to the content of fissile plutonium-239 that is created. (1)  

In the case of MOX fuel used in one-third of a LWR core, the plutonium content is roughly 4% from the beginning, which is approximately 5 times more than that in the end of one cycle of a uranium fuel.  

This is a significant difference in terms of core nuclear physics. (2)

In a fast reactor, plutonium content of MOX fuel can be up to 50%.  

In the option to burn plutonium in CANDU reactors, the MOX fuel content could be 100% core. (3)  

But this has not been tested, nor is there any experience at all of burning plutonium fuel in CANDU reactors.

All light water reactors are designed to burn uranium fuel.  

Thus the nuclear physics of MOX fuels must be adapted to be as similar as possible to that of uranium fuel.  

The MOX fuel assemblies should be able to be operated as uranium assemblies without any restriction to the level of power, performance or safety.

#Various Types of Fuel Assemblies Necessary To Burn MOX

In order to achieve the same performance as normal LWR, the fuel assemblies are made into various types with different plutonium and uranium contents.

Usually, MOX fuel assembly designs for pressurized water reactors use three types of plutonium contents, 1.9%, 2.3% and 3.3%.(4)

For boiling water reactors, four to six different plutonium contents designs are used.(5)  

Another difference is that, because of the intensity of plutonium's thermal energy, plutonium fuel pellets cannot be of the same form as uranium fuel.  

It could be in the form of a donut where the central part is void to let the heat dissipate.  

But this type of a fuel pellet is likely to collapse.(6)  

All these factors make the fuel production extremely complicated and difficult, compared to the one-standard uranium fuel for conventional LWRs.

#Reduced Efficacy of Control Rods

Control rods work by absorbing neutrons in the reactor core, so maintaining stable power conditions.

Criticality depends on the small fraction of neutrons produced in the fission of uranium or plutonium which are generated with a delay of about ten seconds. (7)  

This time difference makes it possible to control the power level by mechanically inserting additional control rods into the core.
 
However, the fraction of delayed-neutrons in Pu-239 is about one-third that of uranium-235, which means that the reactor is more sensitive to variations in power. (8 )  

In addition, plutonium has a slightly higher propensity to capture thermal neutrons than uranium.  

Therefore the efficacy of control rods is somewhat reduced, and safety margins are lower.  

The additional demands on control systems are largest for those plutonium fuels in which plutonium-239 content is highest, as in MOX fuel using weapon-grade plutonium. (9)

For these reasons, the MOX fuel assemblies should be placed away from the control rods.  

The higher average energy of the neutron spectrum of MOX also increases the rate of radiation damage to structural materials in and around the core.  

This could cause embrittlement of the reactor vessel in the end, which is another factor for safety concerns.

#Danger of Losing Control of the Reactor Is Greater with MOX

Conventional LWRs are designed to decrease the reactivity when the temperature rises.

But when using Pu-239 as fuel, heating of the core from an increase in reaction rate tends to increase the reaction rate still further.  

This is called the positive temperature coefficient of reactivity, meaning there is a danger of losing control of the reactor by accelerated chain reaction of fissioning. (10)


2. Will MOX Option Really Eliminate plutonium?  

Three options for the disposition of "excess" plutonium are considered.  

They are the "reactor option," burning it as MOX fuel in reactors; "immobilization", mixing plutonium with highly radioactive fission products and glassifying it into logs for geological disposal; and "deep borehole," burying plutonium deep enough so that it will be unretrievable.  

The proponents of the reactor option using MOX fuel often say that the immobilization and the deep borehole options will merely put the plutonium underground and will not eliminate plutonium.

They claim that the only way to eliminate plutonium is to burn it in reactors.  But this is misleading.

It can only be eliminated by repeatedly reprocessing the spent MOX fuel, and reusing the separated plutonium.  

But plutonium from reprocessed MOX spent fuel is degraded in quality and cannot be used as fuel.

The scale of effort required to overcome the economics and the technological difficulties is overwhelming.

The objective of burning excess plutonium in reactors is to convert the weapons-grade plutonium into spent fuel, contaminated with other highly radioactive fission products so that it will be difficult to retrieve plutonium without reprocessing.  

This is called the "spent fuel standard."  

But even if it becomes "spent fuel standard," plutonium could be retrieved by reprocessing, and studies have shown that nuclear bombs could be made from such separated "reactor-grade" plutonium.(11)

The real amount of plutonium will decrease by half by burning it as MOX fuel in LWRs.  

The MOX fuel starts with 4% plutonium and 96% uranium-238.  

By the end of one fuel cycle, 2% plutonium will remain in the spent MOX fuel together with 94% uranium and 4% fission products. (12)

According to National Academy of Sciences, out of the 50 tons of "excess" weapons plutonium, a substantial amount of plutonium would remain in the spent MOX fuel, between 10 to 40 tons(13) depending on how long the fuel remains in the reactor core and the percentage of MOX the core use.


3. Impacts on Radioactive Waste Management

MOX spent fuel contains more fission products than uranium spent fuel.  

The important factor in managing spent fuel is the heat generation caused by the highly radioactive fission products.

Since spent MOX fuel contains much more fission products, the heat generation from MOX spent fuel is twice as high as that of spent uranium fuel after 10 years and three times as high after 100 years.(14)

What this means is that less spent MOX fuel could be put in a limited repository site, leading to the necessity of more or larger repository sites.  

Or, longer periods of centuries for interim storage would be necessary.  

Because of the existence of more plutonium, there is a criticality concern for geologic repository, and requires separate licenses for disposal.

This means additional costs and delays.  

In other words, spent MOX fuel disposal will require more space, more time, and more substantial costs.

Another typical argument proponents of plutonium "recycling" raise is that the extent of uranium mining, milling, conversion, enrichment and fabrication will be reduced, and thus curb the amount of related radioactive waste as a whole.  

This argument ignores the additional waste produced by fabricating MOX fuel, burning in LWRs and the effects of making spent MOX fuel disposal more difficult, not to forget the huge waste produced by reprocessing (which is unnecessary only in the case of disposition of weapons plutonium).  


4. The Health and Environmental Effects of the Use of MOX

#Specific Dangers of plutonium

plutonium does not exist in the natural environment, and is only produced in nuclear reactors.  It is known as one of the most toxic elements.  

It emits high energy alpha radiation, and has harmful biological effects.
 
Alpha radiation has a very short range but very intense ionization power.  

If exposed on the surface of the skin, the skin works as a shield and will prevent its penetration into the body, but all of its ionizing power will be focused on the small spot, causing burns and killing the skin tissue.

If inhaled into the body, the alpha particle will go in through the respiratory tract, and enter the lung.  

Due to its long half-life, it will stay in the body permanently, emitting alpha radiation, and killing the surrounding tissues by strong ionization.  

If plutonium is taken into the body in soluble form (e.g. plutonium nitrate) through food chain, it will enter the blood stream, and into the bones, liver and genital organs where it will be enriched.  

Alpha radiation leads to reactions in the cells of living things.  

It can cause damage to the nucleus and DNA of the cell, in effect causing genetic damage in descendants, particularly if germ cells are affected. (15)  

#Dangers of Resuspension in the Environment

In the event of a contamination of the environment with plutonium, the whirling up and inhalation of plutonium particles, known as resuspension, plays an important role.  

If there is a road traffic, building work or cleaning work at the plutonium contaminated site, plutonium can enter the body through the respiratory tract.  

Generally, the more whirled up, the greater the dose intake per quantity of plutonium on the ground.  

If there is fire, and plutonium becomes airborne into fine aerosol particles, plutonium contamination of the environment will extend to a far larger scale, landing on ground, contaminating a vast wider area. plutonium remains effective over very long periods affecting the health of the people and the environment. (16)  

#Accident Scenario When Burning MOX

Accidents involving overheating and meltdown are possible in any nuclear reactors.  

In such accidents, not only would readily volatile noble gases, like iodine and caesium be released to the environment, but a small portion of the actinides, including plutonium and neptunium would be released.  

As the activity of the actinides is substantially higher in the case of MOX, the consequences of such severe accidents become more serious.

When MOX fuels are used, the probability of having such serious accidents or trouble would increase due to the high content of plutonium in the fuel.  

Even if an accident is not a serious one, it could become serious since even a small portion of the inventory of actinides released to the environment could cause significant radiological consequences.

According to a comparative analysis of possible consequences of a core meltdown accident in the German Kruemmel nuclear power plant with and without the use of MOX fuel (17):

*The radiation exposure from inhalation of radioactive materials during the passage of the radioactive cloud is higher by several dozen percent than if uranium fuel elements were exclusively used.

*Radiation exposure through the route of inhalation of remobilized long-lived actinide isotopes is more than doubled.

*The land areas to become out of use by long-term contamination increases as the resuspension pathway is a limiting factor and the greater part of the dose resulting from the pathway comes from the actinides. (18)

#Accidents at Fabrication Plants

Accidents at MOX fuel fabrication plants have occurred.  

In June, 1991, the storage bunker of the MOX fuel fabrication plant in Hanau, Germany was contaminated with MOX.  

It occurred after the rupture of a foil for container packaging in the course of an in-plant transportation process.  

Five workers were exposed to plutonium.  

This accident was the main reason the fabrication plant at Hanau was shut down. (19)

In November, 1992, a rod was broken through a handling error and MOX dust released during the mounting of MOX fuel rods to fuel assemblies in the fuel fabrication facility adjoining the MOX facility in Dessel, Belgium.(20)

In event of such accidents, if the International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) recommendations for general public exposure were adhered to, only about 1 mg of plutonium may be released from a MOX facility to the environment.  

As a comparison, in uranium fabrication facility, 2kg (2,000,000mg) of uranium could be released in the same radiation exposure.

A 1 mg release of plutonium from a processing process can easily happen from various smaller incidents.(21)  

#Worker Hazards

The National Academy of Sciences concludes that the main environment, safety and health related issues in weapons plutonium disposition that needs special attention with the addition of weapons plutonium is the occupational risk from fuel preparation. (22)

Because plutonium is more radioactive than uranium, greater safety concern is required when handling the material in whatever way.  

The ICRP sets a standard for occupational exposure to radiation at 100 mSv over 5 years, with a maximum of 50 mSv in any one year.  

If you interpret this in comparison for workers at an uranium fuel fabrication plant with MOX fuel fabrication plant workers, the standards for protection against inhalation are roughly two Million times stricter in plutonium processing than in uranium processing.(23)

Another factor is the gamma radiation exposure which comes from americium, which accumulates as plutonium decays into americium as time lapses.  

Gamma radiation penetrates through almost anything, so it is very difficult to protect workers from this radiation.
Logged

->>>|:-) THE CITY INDIANS (-:|<<<-
Letsbereal
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 26,870


Know Thyself


« Reply #380 on: March 14, 2011, 08:06:47 PM »

Nuclear contamination: The options
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gcWK52roN0AkTwjknyX1r1X6jjRA?docId=CNG.c105341bf1df5116fb348c673eb9322d.a01

Excerpt:

In a nuclear alert, the authorities also hand out iodine pills to prevent cancers of the thyroid, which is a particular risk for babies, young children, teenagers and expectant or breast-feeding mothers.

The goal is to saturate the thyroid with “healthy iodine,” shielding it from radioactive iodine, said Gourmelon.

Timing, though, is essential. Preferably, the iodine is taken an hour before a known fallout incident.

Japanese guidelines say the pills should be distributed when the likely absorbed dose of radioactivity is 100 milligray, a unit named after a British physicist.

You can also take it in the following 24 hours after the incident,” he said. “It does work but the protection is reduced to 25%.”
Logged

->>>|:-) THE CITY INDIANS (-:|<<<-
agentbluescreen
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 7,510


« Reply #381 on: March 14, 2011, 08:11:51 PM »

This reactor was off but the explosion in #3 has set it's spent fuel rods on fire now. Serious radiation now leaking due to fire.

Pray for Japan  Sad
Logged
Letsbereal
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 26,870


Know Thyself


« Reply #382 on: March 14, 2011, 08:23:01 PM »

Japan Facing Biggest Catastrophe Since Dawn of Nuclear Age
14 March 2011
, (Democracy Now)
http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2011/3/14/japan_facing_biggest_catastrophe_since_dawn

Japan remains in a state of emergency three days after a devastating earthquake and tsunami hit the country.

An estimated 10,000 people have died, and Japan is facing the worst nuclear crisis since the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

On Monday, a second explosion hit the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, and a third reactor lost its cooling system, raising fears of a meltdown.

Radiation levels have been detected as far as 100 miles away.

Dozens of people have tested positive for radiation exposure, and hundreds of thousands of have been evacuated, with the number expected to rise. [includes rush transcript]

Guests:

Yurika Ayukawa, Professor of Climate, Energy, and Environment at Chiba University of Commerce in Japan. She is formerly with the Citizens’ Nuclear Information Center.

Harvey Wasserman, longtime anti-nuclear activist and the editor of nukefree.org. He is also a senior adviser to GreenPeace USA and the author of the book SOLARTOPIA! Our Green-Powered Earth.

Kevin Kamps, specialist in nuclear waste at the nuclear watchdog, Beyond Nuclear. Last year he was in Japan assessing the state of its nuclear facilities.

Arnie Gundersen, nuclear industry executive for many years before blowing the whistle on the company he worked for in 1990, when he found inappropriately stored radioactive material. He is now chief engineer at Fairewinds Associates.
Logged

->>>|:-) THE CITY INDIANS (-:|<<<-
Freeski
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 20,744


« Reply #383 on: March 14, 2011, 08:25:52 PM »

This reactor was off but the explosion in #3 has set it's spent fuel rods on fire now. Serious radiation now leaking due to fire.

Pray for Japan  Sad


I'm no expert here, but just wondering if the explosion at Fukushima #3 is basically the same as a nuclear bomb going off? The reason I ask is because it didn't seem to produce a blast wave, otherwise you'd think it would have taken out those towers.
Logged

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.
Dig
All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man.
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 63,103



WWW
« Reply #384 on: March 14, 2011, 08:35:33 PM »

***ALERT: Kissinger/Lute will try to detonate a Dirty Bomb in NY in April
The massive exercise, from April 5 to April 9, will require police activity on land, including the rail systems and highways, said Kelly, adding that the public will see increased law enforcement action, including traffic checkpoints.

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/nyc-li-cops-team-up-for-dirty-bomb-drill-1.2753287

Does everyone realize that in this kind of drill it will be necessary to havetotal command and control over all nuclear surveillance and detection systems throughout land/air/sea?

Why are they going ahead with a drill that mimics nuclear fallout and controls all detection systems for that fallout?

Nothing to see, move along...
Logged

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #385 on: March 14, 2011, 08:57:32 PM »

I'm no expert here, but just wondering if the explosion at Fukushima #3 is basically the same as a nuclear bomb going off? The reason I ask is because it didn't seem to produce a blast wave, otherwise you'd think it would have taken out those towers.

no........ it is spontaneous combustion, excess hydrogen in the presence of oxygen, due to fuel rod's no longer fully submerged in light water.......
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #386 on: March 14, 2011, 09:23:26 PM »

it will be a slow-burning multiple day high exposure event rather than a sudden dispersal of fallout, to me this could be worse than a traditional nuke.

right/wrong???

once primary containment is breeched high level local radiation will be present at the breech point and surrounding immediate areas...... but no fallout, fallout occurs because the actual nuke bomb is exploded some height above the ground, scattering contaminate and high level exposure over very large areas, propelled via the shock wave and thusly travelling at the speed of sound...... the big risks here are at the hydrogen explosion how much contaminate was released via skyshine from the reactor building, then if primary containment is breeched leeching of radioactive fissile material and contaminates into immediate area and then maybe in the ground water etc etc..... and very high, above grave danger local exposures.... spent fuel after 10 yrs in the pool emits approx. 10,000 rem/hr....fatal human whole body dose is 500 rem.... but let me say GREAT lengths are taken to control radiation exposure and ultimately safety of the surrounding areas and workers..... this event is an unthinkable probability that humans with finite understanding perhaps could not have foreseen? maybe, I am still out on this one....... why the hell were their diesels susceptible to no starts? this shit is drilled often and is big issues stateside..... procedure does call that in the event back up power is lost and the diesels are inop, as I stated before you fill the damn drywell with firehouses..... I wonder if they have a leak in the torus.....
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #387 on: March 14, 2011, 09:26:13 PM »

...for ref. this is what the reactor bldgs look like (this is Unit 1, a GE Mark I)......
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
Ninjaman
Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 300


« Reply #388 on: March 14, 2011, 09:27:50 PM »

http://english.kyodonews.jp/

claims the fire is put out.
Logged
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #389 on: March 14, 2011, 09:28:51 PM »

here is a cut away of the BWR vessel.......
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #390 on: March 14, 2011, 09:34:00 PM »

Here is rendering of the BWR with labeling......
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #391 on: March 14, 2011, 09:38:05 PM »

here is a schematic of the BWR system......
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #392 on: March 14, 2011, 09:49:19 PM »

Let me say this again.... it is not a "bad" thing per say that the "core is melting" the bad thing is that the core melts THROUGH the primary containment, that shit drives me batty when I hear a bunch of Liberal Arts Mass Comm talking heads, or talking legs, say the core is melting the core is melting, as if it is the Wicked Witch from Oz.... those units are a total loss...... if they survive the systems and building would have done a marvelous job at preventing a far more serious crisis..... what the industry must learn is why those damn diesels went inop and how the hell do we prevent coastal facilities from duplicating this strange probability........

******edit******* for Dig et al...... if this was Stuxnet etc etc..... damn those sons of bitches to hell......
Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #393 on: March 14, 2011, 09:59:57 PM »

So the fact they are reporting a dramatic increase in radioactivity in reactor 2 after the "explosion" is indicative of a breach in the primary?
Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
redeux
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 752


I challenge any NWO member to a fist fight


« Reply #394 on: March 14, 2011, 10:12:36 PM »

No resultant skyshine from initial breech of secondary containment........


Now I swear this is the first time I read this article; thanks Ninja

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78063.html

The agency said the explosion at the No. 2 reactor may have damaged the ''suppression chamber,'' a facility connected to the reactor's container which is designed to cool down radiation steam and lower the pressure in the reactor. It said a sharp decline in the pressure level of the chamber suggests damage.

That is the Torus... as I have been speculating that it is damaged.... that means this Reactor is leaking in the sub basement..... typically the access to the Torus is via a hatch in the floor on the base level of the reactor Bldg.... very contaminated area.... full dress out to go in there.


Following the incident, the radiation level near the main gate of the Fukushima No. 1 plant exceeded the legal limit to reach 965.5 micro sievert per hour at 7:00 a.m. and jumped to 8,217 micro sievert at 8:31 a.m., the agency said. The latter amount is more than eight times the 1,000 micro sievert level to which people can safely be exposed in one year.

Given that the building housing the reactor has already been damaged by Monday's hydrogen blast at the neighboring No. 3 reactor, a spread of radiation outside the plant has become a serious threat, experts say.

The possibility of a meltdown, in which fuel rods melt and are destroyed, ''cannot be ruled out'' as the fuel rods have been damaged, the utility said.

In Ibaraki Prefecture, just south of Fukushima, an amount of radiation up to about 100 times the usual level was measured Tuesday morning. The wind was blowing from north to south when the incident occurred at the Fukushima plant.


skyshine radioactive contamination cloud moving into area..... this is what we desperately try to avoid AIBORNE rad waste.... direct exposure is one thing and it can kill you.... rad waste injestion etc well you die a few years or months later.........

Logged

Protect your manhood, demand Testosterone..........
grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #395 on: March 14, 2011, 10:29:16 PM »

No resultant skyshine from initial breech of secondary containment........


Now I swear this is the first time I read this article; thanks Ninja

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78063.html

The agency said the explosion at the No. 2 reactor may have damaged the ''suppression chamber,'' a facility connected to the reactor's container which is designed to cool down radiation steam and lower the pressure in the reactor. It said a sharp decline in the pressure level of the chamber suggests damage.

That is the Torus... as I have been speculating that it is damaged.... that means this Reactor is leaking in the sub basement..... typically the access to the Torus is via a hatch in the floor on the base level of the reactor Bldg.... very contaminated area.... full dress out to go in there.


Following the incident, the radiation level near the main gate of the Fukushima No. 1 plant exceeded the legal limit to reach 965.5 micro sievert per hour at 7:00 a.m. and jumped to 8,217 micro sievert at 8:31 a.m., the agency said. The latter amount is more than eight times the 1,000 micro sievert level to which people can safely be exposed in one year.

Given that the building housing the reactor has already been damaged by Monday's hydrogen blast at the neighboring No. 3 reactor, a spread of radiation outside the plant has become a serious threat, experts say.

The possibility of a meltdown, in which fuel rods melt and are destroyed, ''cannot be ruled out'' as the fuel rods have been damaged, the utility said.

In Ibaraki Prefecture, just south of Fukushima, an amount of radiation up to about 100 times the usual level was measured Tuesday morning. The wind was blowing from north to south when the incident occurred at the Fukushima plant.


skyshine radioactive contamination cloud moving into area..... this is what we desperately try to avoid AIBORNE rad waste.... direct exposure is one thing and it can kill you.... rad waste injestion etc well you die a few years or months later.........


Have you seen this thread summarizing the english translation update just after the 6 AM japan time explosion in #2?
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=203287.msg1214505#msg1214505
Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
grapecrusher1
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,537



« Reply #396 on: March 14, 2011, 10:32:41 PM »

#4 reactor now exploding? on fire.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-15/japan-s-stricken-nuclear-power-plant-rocked-by-two-blasts-fire.html

Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s stricken nuclear power plant was today rocked by two further explosions and a fire as workers struggled to avert the risk of a meltdown.

A hydrogen blast hit the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant’s No. 4 reactor, where Tokyo Electric earlier reported a blaze, Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said at a briefing. Four of the complex’s six reactors have been damaged by explosions.
Logged

"The meek shall inherit NOTHING" -- Zappa
Stan
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,218



« Reply #397 on: March 14, 2011, 10:33:33 PM »

I know the bottom map looks very much like one I bought back in 1995 called the 'I Am America' map that predicted what would happen after the pole shift.  And yes it was based on some type of psychic message received, but I don't remember exactly what it was anymore , nor do I have the map any more.

Predictions or preconditioning, it don't matter at this point.

Weird. I was just listening to Friday's Coast To Coast and they mentioned Edgar Cayce in relation to earthquakes leading to more serious events. I hadn't even heard of the guy and his predictions up until that point.

And I'm not sure I shall delve any further. Cool
Logged
Stan
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1,218



« Reply #398 on: March 14, 2011, 10:43:47 PM »

#4 reactor now exploding? on fire.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-03-15/japan-s-stricken-nuclear-power-plant-rocked-by-two-blasts-fire.html

Tokyo Electric Power Co.’s stricken nuclear power plant was today rocked by two further explosions and a fire as workers struggled to avert the risk of a meltdown.

A hydrogen blast hit the Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant’s No. 4 reactor, where Tokyo Electric earlier reported a blaze, Japan’s Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said at a briefing. Four of the complex’s six reactors have been damaged by explosions.


I'm sure Bob Bowman said 3 of the reactors were already shut down prior to the earthquake. If that's the case then things must be even more out of control than thought. Now stuff's just blowing up at random.
Logged
Zed
Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 896



« Reply #399 on: March 14, 2011, 10:45:17 PM »

I really wish someone would quit merging threads, it is just creating a jumbled mess.
Logged

"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 [10] 11 12 13 14 15 16   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.17 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!