Japan's nuke reactors being hit by Stuxnet as well as HAARP earthquake?

[Dig]

what is the best way to publicize and accomplish this?

I wish I knew my friend, I wish I knew.

[Valerius]

Are you guys watching the news? They are clearly in pacification mode.

[kerrymti]

OMFG...this is ridiculous...7 billion people must now mockingbird MSM bullshit?

NATO declared Japan a nuclear threat in 2006. NATO just rendered their nuclear capabilities impotent just like they did Iran with Stuxnet, they used their HAARP crap as a cover like planes into the WTC.

NATO is deciding how much drama they wish to inflict on 7 billion people and whether they want to kill 100,000 or 10 million. Instead of tracking fricking nuke clouds, we need to expose the fricking documented proof that these assholes are doing this shit while passing emergency preparedness bills in prep for them doing it to us in June. This is all on record.

I couldn't agree more Dig.  Everyone I talk to (and my 'mouth' has been busy!) doesn't get it.  This is the beta test, we are next.

[Letsbereal]

Meltdown threat rises at Japanese nuclear plant
14 March 2011, by Eric Talmadge and Mari Yamaguchi - SOMA, Japan (Associated Press)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_JAPAN_EARTHQUAKE_NUCLEAR_CRISIS?SITE=TXHAR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-14-11-26-01

Excerpt:

HAPPENING!

People in the port town of Soma had rushed to higher ground after a tsunami warning Monday - a warning that turned out to be false alarm - and then felt the earth shake from the explosion at the Fukushima reactor 25 miles (40 kilometers) away.

Authorities there ordered everyone to go indoors to guard against possible radiation contamination.

"It's like a horror movie," said 49-year-old Kyoko Nambu as she stood on a hillside overlooking her ruined hometown. "Our house is gone and now they are telling us to stay indoors."

"We can see the damage to our houses, but radiation? ... We have no idea what is happening. I am so scared."

FRIDAY

Four Japanese nuclear complexes were damaged in the wake of Friday's twin disasters  the Dai-ichi complex, which sits just off the Pacific coast and was badly hammered by the tsunami, has been the focus of most of the worries over Japan's deepening nuclear crisis.

SATURDAY

On Saturday, a similar hydrogen blast destroyed the housing around the complex's Unit 1 reactor, leaving the shell intact but resulting in the mass evacuation of more than 185,000 people from the area.

MONDAY MORNING

Water levels dropped precipitously Monday inside a stricken Japanese nuclear reactor, twice leaving the uranium fuel rods completely exposed and raising the threat of a meltdown, hours after a hydrogen explosion tore through the building housing a different reactor.

The Monday morning explosion at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant's Unit 3 injured 11 workers and came as authorities were trying to use sea water to cool the complex's three reactors.

LATE MONDAY

Water levels were restored after the first decrease but the rods remained exposed late Monday night after the second episode, increasing the risk of the spread of radiation and the potential for an eventual meltdown.

It's highly likely happening! There were signs that the fuel rods were melting in all three reactors, all of which had lost their cooling systems.

DANGER

- Operators knew the sea water flooding would cause a pressure buildup in the reactor containment vessels - and potentially lead to an explosion - but felt they had no choice if they wanted to avoid complete meltdowns.

- Eventually, hydrogen in the released steam mixed with oxygen in the atmosphere and set off the two blasts.

- All three of the operational reactors at the complex now have faced severe troubles.

- Fuel rods in all three of the most troubled nuclear reactors appeared to be melting.

- Drop in water levels at Unit 2

- Worst case scenario hang over the complex


ON THE POSITIVE SIDE

- International scientists say there are serious dangers but little risk of a catastrophe like the 1986 blast in Chernobyl, where there was no containment shells.

- Units 1 and 3 are at least somewhat stabilized for the time being.

- Chemical reactions inside the reactor were not moving quickly toward a complete meltdown.

- Prevailing wind in the area of the stricken plant was heading east into the Pacific, which experts said would help carry away any radiation.

- In some ways, the explosion at Unit 3 was not as dire as it might seem. The blast actually lessened pressure building inside the troubled reactor, and officials said the all-important containment shell - thick concrete armor around the reactor - had not been damaged.


FUTURE?

"We're now into the fourth day. Whatever is happening in that core is taking a long time to unfold," said Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at the nuclear policy program for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "They've succeeded in prolonging the timeline of the accident sequence."

He noted, though, that Japanese officials appeared unable to figure out what was going on deep inside the reactor. In part, that was probably because of the damage done to the facility by the tsunami.

"The real question mark is what's going on inside the core," he said.


PARTIAL MELTDOWN - TOTAL MELTDOWN

Total or complete reactor meltdown - where the uranium core melts through the outer containment shell - were to occur, a wave of radiation would be released, resulting in major, widespread health problems.

Partial meltdown when nuclear fuel melts through a reactor's innermost chamber but not through the outer containment shell.

[Letsbereal]

- A Total Of  Four Japanese Nuclear Complexes Were Damaged

- Fuel rods in all three of the most troubled nuclear reactors appeared to be melting at the Dai-ichi complex

- Fukushima Dai-ichi complex with Unit 1, 2 and 3 reactors , which sits just off the Pacific coast and was badly hammered by the tsunami

- Hydrogen in the released steam mixed with oxygen in the atmosphere and set off the two blasts

- The real question mark is what's going on inside the core


Dai-ichi Complex Unit 1 Reactor

Hydrogen blast destroyed the housing around the complex's Unit 1 reactor, leaving the shell intact but resulting in the mass evacuation of more than 185,000 people from the area.

Water levels dropped precipitously Monday inside a stricken Japanese nuclear reactor, twice leaving the uranium fuel rods completely exposed and raising the threat of a meltdown, hours after a hydrogen explosion tore through the building housing a different reactor.


Dai-ichi Complex Unit 3 Reactor

The Monday morning explosion at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant's Unit 3 injured 11 workers and came as authorities were trying to use sea water to cool the complex's three reactors.

Operators knew the sea water flooding would cause a pressure buildup in the reactor containment vessels - and potentially lead to an explosion - but felt they had no choice if they wanted to avoid complete meltdowns.

SOURCE: Meltdown threat rises at Japanese nuclear plant
14 March 2011, by Eric Talmadge and Mari Yamaguchi - SOMA, Japan (Associated Press)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_JAPAN_EARTHQUAKE_NUCLEAR_CRISIS?SITE=TXHAR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-14-11-26-01

[Okinawa]

20,000 missing in 2 towns / Magnitude of Friday's quake revised upward to 9.0
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20110313dy02.htm
The Yomiuri Shimbun

The central part of Minami-Sanrikucho, Miyagi Prefecture, was washed away by a tsunami caused by Friday's earthquake.

About 20,000 people were unaccounted for as of Sunday afternoon in two coastal towns devastated by tsunami after the Tohoku Pacific Offshore Earthquake.

About 10,000 residents each of Minami-Sanrikucho, Miyagi Prefecture, and Otsuchicho, Iwate Prefecture, were missing, authorities said. Otsuchicho Mayor Koki Kato is among those unaccounted for.

The head of the Miyagi prefectural police reportedly told a prefectural disaster headquarters Sunday afternoon that the number of deaths from the earthquake would "no doubt be tens of thousands" in the prefecture.

Meanwhile, the magnitude of Friday's earthquake, which hit the nation's northern and eastern regions, was revised to 9.0 from 8.8, the Meteorological Agency said Sunday.

The magnitude-9.0 quake is one of the biggest ever recorded in the world.

As of Sunday morning, the administrative functions of six municipalities--Onagawacho in Miyagi Prefecture and Rikuzen-Takata, Tono, Sumitacho, Iwaizumicho and Kunohemura in Iwate Prefecture--were paralyzed, making the full extent of damage in these places impossible to precisely determine, according to the Fire and Disaster Management Agency, an external organ of the Internal Affairs and Communications Ministry.

The total population of the six municipalities is about 86,000, and authorities have been unable to confirm the safety of many of these residents.

Also in Iwate Prefecture, many residents in Yamadamachi, whose population stands at about 19,000, are unaccounted for.

In Fukushima Prefecture, the number of people unaccounted for totaled 1,167.

The National Police Agency was informed by the Miyagi prefectural police Sunday morning that more than 200 bodies had been found in the Nobiru district of Higashi-Matsushima in Miyagi Prefecture.

According to an NPA survey, the number of people killed in the earthquake stood at 801 as of 2 p.m. Sunday, while 733 people were unaccounted for. The number of injured totaled 1,442 people. In Sendai, 200 to 300 bodies also had been found.

The NPA said 240,600 people had been evacuated, including 131,700 people staying at 450 shelters in Fukushima Prefecture.

Meanwhile, the Ground Self-Defense Force said more than 20,000 people, including 9,000 in Wataricho, were stranded and calling for rescue in Miyagi Prefecture. Several hundred to several thousand people also were stranded in such cities as Ishinomaki, Kesennuma and Tagajo.

According to the Fire and Disaster Management Agency, about 1,260 people are waiting to be rescued in Iwate Prefecture.

The Meteorological Agency said a magnitude-6.2 earthquake occurred at about 8:25 a.m. Sunday with the epicenter off Miyagi Prefecture. Strong aftershocks continue to shake the region. Since Friday through 7 a.m. Sunday, the number of aftershocks with confirmed epicenters and magnitudes of 5 or greater totaled at least 168.

The agency downgraded its tsunami warning to an advisory at 7:30 a.m. Sunday for the Pacific side of Aomori Prefecture as well as for Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures, given that the height of tsunami observed around the Sanriku Coast halved from Saturday night to Sunday morning. This means that the entire nation is no longer subject to higher levels of tsunami warnings.

Transportation and other lifelines in quake-hit areas had yet to be restored as of Sunday morning.

Tohoku Electric Power Co. said power was out at about 1.8 million households as of 8 a.m. Sunday. The Health, Labor and Welfare Ministry said that water supply was cut off in at least 1.4 million households in 16 prefectures.
(Mar. 13, 2011)

[Okinawa]

2,000 bodies found on Miyagi coast
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20110314dy03.htm
The Yomiuri Shimbun

A total of about 2,000 bodies have been found in Miyagi Prefecture's coastal area in the wake of last week's calamitous earthquake and tsunami, according to the prefectural government.

In a meeting Monday morning at the disaster response headquarters set up by the prefectural government, it was reported that about 1,000 bodies had been discovered in Minami-Sanrikucho, a coastal town razed by a tsunami generated by the latest killer quake.

Meanwhile, an estimated 1,000 bodies have been found on the coast of the Ojika Peninsula in Ishinomaki, the prefectural police said, adding the death toll likely would continue to rise.

According to a central government count, about 530,000 people were taking shelter at public facilities and other makeshift evacuation centers early Monday morning in areas struck by the massive earthquake and tsunami. Those evacuees included about 150,000 in Miyagi Prefecture and 130,000 in Fukushima Prefecture as of 12 a.m.

About 9,600 people remained stranded on hills, buildings and other elevated locations, waiting for rescuers to arrive at their sites after fleeing from structures flooded by tsunami waves.

The Self-Defense Forces have increased the number of personnel tasked with rescuing quake victims to 66,000. These SDF members are continuing their relief activities in quake-stricken areas, including the transportation of relief supplies to these locations. Their mission is being carried out in cooperation with personnel aboard the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan and seven other U.S. vessels dispatched to rescue and aid victims of Friday afternoon's Tohoku Pacific Offshore Earthquake.

As of Monday noon, the death toll stood at 1,647, including 643 in Miyagi Prefecture and 531 in Iwate Prefecture. Meanwhile, those reported missing totaled 1,720 in the stricken areas, with 1,990 people injured, according to the National Police Agency.

On Monday morning, the blackout caused by the calamity continued to affect an area that normally covers an estimated 1.13 million households, including about 930,000 in Miyagi Prefecture and 150,000 in Iwate Prefecture. At least 1.4 million households in 14 prefectures, mainly in the Tohoku and Kanto regions, remained cut off from water supply.
(Mar. 14, 2011)

[IridiumKEPfactor]

[bigron]

The Idiocy and Hubris of Engineers: Will GE Get Whacked for the
Catastrophic Failure of its Nuk Plants n Fukushira?


Created 03/14/2011 - 12:44
by: Dave Lindorff

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/509
  

GE, the company that boasts that it “brings good things to life,” was the designer of the nuclear plants that are blowing up like hot popcorn kernels at the Fukushima Dai-ichi generating plant north of Tokyo that was hit by the double-whammy of an 8.9 earthquake and a hugh tsunami.

The company may escape tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in liability from this continuing disaster, which could still result in a catastrophic total meltdown of one or more of the reactors (as of this writing three of the reactors are reported to have suffered partial meltdowns, and all could potentially become more serious total meltdowns with a rupture of the reactor container), thanks to Japanese law, which makes the operator--in this case Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO) liable. But if it were found that it was design flaws by GE that caused the problem, presumably TEPCO or the Japanese government could pursue GE for damages.

In fact, the design of these facilities--a design which, it should be noted, was also used in 23 nuclear plants operating in the US in Alabama, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Vermont--appear to have included serious flaws, from a safety perspective.

The drawings of the plants in question, called Mark I Reactors, provide no way for venting hydrogen gas from the containment buildings, despite the fact that one of the first things that happens in the event of a cooling failure is the massive production of hydrogen gas by the exposed fuel rods in the core. This is why two of the nuclear generator buildings at Fukushima Dai-ichi have exploded with tremendous force blasting off the roof and walls of the structures, and damaging control equipment needed to control the reactors.

One would have thought that design engineers at GE would have thought about that fact, and provided venting systems for any hydrogen gas being vented in an emergency into the building. But no. They didn’t.




A second nuclear reactor building at Fukushima Dai-ishi suffers a hydrogen gas explosion.

MORE

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/509

[IridiumKEPfactor]

 Re: Shocking: Is Another Possible Man-Made Storm Deepening The Food Crisis?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2008, 03:23:31 PM » Quote  

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=44455.msg197519#msg197519
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I had this though last night too.

Earlier this year I thought that a false flag attack they might pull would be a radiological weapon that would contaminate the wheat and corn fields in the "heartland" and would wipe out the entire 2008 crops and make the soil unusable. BUT flooding..... is having the effect of wipping out an entire crop. Less long term damage as well.

Get you food cause there might not be any soon.

[number777]

wow...

[Ninjaman]

I've seen so many maps on predicting where it will go its crazy. If it only hits the west coast, i still strongly suggest everyone else in the usa/canada know how to protect yourself. that way even if it only hits california or something, we will still be prepared.

[Letsbereal]

SOURCE: http://www.digitalglobe.com/index.php/27/Sample+Imagery+Gallery

[Flur]

I was wondering (and maybe a new thread should be started for this).. but I saw an article posted on drudgereport from der spiegel talking about Germany's reluctance to use Nuclear Power and how this incident will likely shift nations away from using nuclear power in the future.  What implications does that have?  I don't have an opinion formed on the use of nuclear power for energy, but I was wondering if anyone here knew if this was perhaps an intended shift in thinking.  What consequences could this have?  Would it make nations more dependent on oil?  Is this a good or bad potential shift in politics?  What legal ramifications could this bring about?

For instance.. could the UN step in and try to legislate against the use of nuclear power for energy, giving even more power to OPEC, etc?

[Valerius]

How soon you think before they start telling us the benefits to school behavior  in children from "low level" radiation clouds?

[Jackson Holly]

SOURCE: http://www.digitalglobe.com/index.php/27/Sample+Imagery+Gallery

Whoah!!  I wonder if AJ has seen this?
This should be shown on PPTV. 

[Letsbereal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dytttMoivoQ

Stricken Japan nuclear plant rocked by 2nd blast

14 March 2011, (The Associated Press)

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/03/stricken_japan_nuclear_plant_r.html

[shipgeek]

Radiation cloud will not stop in the U.S. of A. It will reach us in Europe and beyond.

[Valerius]

General Electric-designed reactors in Fukushima have 23 sisters in U.S.

By Bill Dedman


"...A fact sheet from the group contends that the Mark I design has design problems, and that in 1972 an Atomic Energy Commission member, Dr. Stephen Hanuaer, recommended that this type of system be discontinued..."

© 2011 msnbc.com

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/13/6256121-general-electric-designed-reactors-in-fukushima-have-23-sisters-in-us

[Valerius]

Does this old Kirk Douglas movie explain why they build so many near fault lines?


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?action=post;topic=203287.320;num_replies=357

[Letsbereal]

Other Explosion Vid, BIT SHARPER: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ

[Letsbereal]

PLUTONIUM (MOX) FUEL AT THE REACTOR #3

1.)

Monday, Aug. 23, 2010

Fukushima reactor receives MOX

FUKUSHIMA (Kyodo) Tokyo Electric Power Co. on Saturday loaded a nuclear reactor in Fukushima Prefecture with MOX, a controversial fuel made with reprocessed plutonium and uranium oxides, as it prepares to become the leading power utility's first facility to go pluthermal.

The No. 3 reactor at Tepco's Fukushima No. 1 plant will be the nation's third pluthermal facility, but only the first to be refurbished since the plant was built 34 years ago.

Tokyo Electric plans to activate the reactor on Sept. 18 and let it start generating electricity on Sept. 23.


http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20100823a7.html

~~~

2.)

22:01 13 MAR 2011

JAPAN: FEARS GROW FOR FUKUSHIMA

PLUTONIUM-FUELLED REACTOR

(AGI) Tokyo - After an explosion destroyed part of the building housing reactor n1 Saturday, fears grow of a blast at reactor n3. Japanese authorities fear that an explosion may occur also at the boiling water reactor (BWR) of the Fukushima nuclear-power plant. If such an explosion occurred, repercussions could be even worse because, unlike reactor number 1, reactor number 3, where pressure is rising, is charged with MOX Plutonium-enriched fuel consisting of a mixture of plutonium oxide and uranium oxide. . .

~~~~~

3.) - THIS IS MUCH WORSE THAN 'STANDARD' URANIUM FUEL!

Mixed Oxide (MOX) Fuel

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf29.html

http://www.nirs.org/reactorwatch/mox/puupdat4.txt

IMPORTANT INFO

[shipgeek]

IMPORTANT INFO

Thank you.

The problem here is that most people don't seem to care
for as long as they are not directly concerned.

 

[redeux]

I am an Engineer at a Nuke Facility in the S.E. US.... there is disinfo coming MAINLY from the MSM, but AJ started sticking his foot in his mouth on last Fri, with his give me coal not nuke TECHNICAL misunderstanding......

My plant is exactly the same config. as 1, 2, & 3.... BWR's the explosion occurred on the refueling floor at the top of the building where the Hydrogen gas had accumulated, as it is lighter than air, I am puzzled that an updraft breech was not initiated to bleed off the Hydrogen into much more dispersed, and less dangerous concentrations. The accumulation of excess Hydrogen in O2 spontaneously combusted. excess Hydrogen due to fuel rod uncovering.... the roof of the Rx Bldg. was sacrificed and an immediate skyshine released.... the dose escalated to 127 mmrem, but as would be expected receded, because only secondary containment was breeched..... radioactive containments were released, don't get me wrong, but it could have been much worse... Primary containment as of the latest info I have read was not breeched..... the drywell was flooded via spray heads within the well, however do to extremely high BWR vessel internal pressure, keeping cooling water over the fuel rods proved problematic.... I will not candy coat it, because this is crucial, the core would have begun melting away, hence the need for Boron injection to "poison" reactivity.... we need to pray or whatever you do for these engineers and maintenance personal that they would not find themselves in the middle of a primary containment breech......

...in regards to Stuxnet.... I would, without having proof would suggest that is total bullshit..... ALL control rod movement etc., MSRV's, SRV's, feedwater check values, etc. etc. are not digitally controlled, there are plenty of digital equipment within the units, but due tot he AGE of these Reactor's the main control system are not these plants are Mechanically, moreover fluid/air actuated, extremely reliable........... moreover these systems are intended to sit in atleast quadruple redundancy from any outside WAN interface

[Brocke]

or shocked silence reigns!

*fart* *gasp* *faint*

=( i didn't know about the dangerous fuel.
didn't someone say there is thorium in the contested islands?

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/16025

Japan Developing Its Own Thorium Reactor
October 7, 2010 • 9:05AM

At a news conference in Tokyo on Oct.5, Keidanren, the Japanese industry group with big name members such as Toyota, Toshiba and Hitachi, revealed that International Thorium Energy Molten-Salt Technology Inc. (IThEMS) plans to build the world's first commercial Thorium Molten-Salt Reactor (Th-MSR). It uses thorium fluoride which is dissolved in molten salt of lithium and beryllium fluoride (Flibe). Th-MSR uses liquid fuel. As a result, the fuel not only does not produce plutonium, it acts as an incinerator burning up fuel and produces only a little high-level and low-level nuclear wastes.

However, the principal reason why Japan is leaning towards developing Th-MSR is because these reactors will be under normal pressure in a normal pressured container, unlike the high-pressure in a closed container for the current solid fuel class of reactors. Japan is situated in a high-risk earthquake zone and pressurized reactors were accepted reluctantly. In case of the Th-MSR, even if the thorium molten-salt were to be released from the container, it would glassify quickly posing no danger to anyone.

Since the 1990s, long before the Indian nuclear program was opened up to the world, Japanese nuclear scientists were visiting India's institutions where the thorium fuel research work was being conducted. As of now, IThEMS, with a start-up of US$300 million, is planning to develop a micro-mini reactor rated at 10MW. The long-term plan is to seek funding for developing a larger 200MW Th-MSR

_________________________________________________

this explains the timing of the strike.
everything we have seen has been timed to perfection.
even the coincidence of events, especially bills passing in the night while we watch japan flood and burn. our own country is flooding and burning and being encroached upon by the Council of Ten and the Global Leaders.

this is surely the darkest decade the world has seen. this next one does not look to be much better.
now i know why we needed greenhouses. i don't even have mine planned, ordered, built, started.
maybe where i live isn't right, or i don't take my own advice.

=(

YES! The thorium fluoride is the key. We were on the verge of cheap and arguably safer nuclear power. But now, all bets are off.

[redeux]

YES! The thorium fluoride is the key. We were on the verge of cheap and arguably safer nuclear power. But now, all bets are off.

... it doesn't work that way..... Th-MSR is just in the developmental stages.... this is not why this happened.....

[grapecrusher1]

I am an Engineer at a Nuke Facility in the S.E. US.... there is disinfo coming MAINLY from the MSM, but AJ started sticking his foot in his mouth on last Fri, with his give me coal not nuke TECHNICAL misunderstanding......

My plant is exactly the same config. as 1, 2, & 3.... BWR's the explosion occurred on the refueling floor at the top of the building where the Hydrogen gas had accumulated, as it is lighter than air, I am puzzled that an updraft breech was not initiated to bleed off the Hydrogen into much more dispersed, and less dangerous concentrations. The accumulation of excess Hydrogen in O2 spontaneously combusted. excess Hydrogen due to fuel rod uncovering.... the roof of the Rx Bldg. was sacrificed and an immediate skyshine released.... the dose escalated to 127 mmrem, but as would be expected receded, because only secondary containment was breeched..... radioactive containments were released, don't get me wrong, but it could have been much worse... Primary containment as of the latest info I have read was not breeched..... the drywell was flooded via spray heads within the well, however do to extremely high BWR vessel internal pressure, keeping cooling water over the fuel rods proved problematic.... I will not candy coat it, because this is crucial, the core would have begun melting away, hence the need for Boron injection to "poison" reactivity.... we need to pray or whatever you do for these engineers and maintenance personal that they would not find themselves in the middle of a primary containment breech......

...in regards to Stuxnet.... I would, without having proof would suggest that is total bullshit..... ALL control rod movement etc., MSRV's, SRV's, feedwater check values, etc. etc. are not digitally controlled, there are plenty of digital equipment within the units, but due tot he AGE of these Reactor's the main control system are not these plants are Mechanically, moreover fluid/air actuated, extremely reliable........... moreover these systems are intended to sit in atleast quadruple redundancy from any outside WAN interface

great input

what is the general feeling amongst experts at your plant?

[Brocke]

... it doesn't work that way..... Th-MSR is just in the developmental stages.... this is not why this happened.....

"Th-MSR is just in the developmental stages..."
Not anymore. Now it's finished.

"this is not why this happened"  
This is only one move in the chess game. It serves a purpose to block development of safer nuclear options. Along with the green-nazi blocking of coal plants, the Chinese monopoly of rare earth metals (thus super-magnets), and the bolstering of alternative energy/carbon economy markets, you have a global energy coup.

Nuclear fear is essential for the next false flag and the destruction of Japan is necessary to allow US military presence and prevent any Russian and/or Chinese cooperation.

It's a multidimensional game and you are inferring that I assume only two dimensions.

[grapecrusher1]

http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/03/14/japan-nuclear-alert-upgraded-level-5-evacuation-zone-expanded-8285/

                                                         

Japanese officials have upgraded the nuclear alert level to a level 5 incident meaning that large quantities of radioactive material have been released and there is a high probability of significant public exposure.

The alert level was raised after the nuclear fuel rods became completely exposed and the nuclear reactor completely lost its cooling ability.

The size of the evacuation area has been expanded from a 20 KM radius to a 40 KM radius (about 25 miles) with the nuclear alert level upgrade.

The upgraded alert level comes on news that wind has carried the radioactive cloud 100 miles north of the reactor.

But the French Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN) cast doubt on Japan’s classification of the crisis at Fukushima as level 4 of 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale. Chernobyl was classified as level 7.

“Level four is a serious level,” ASN chief Andre-Claude Lacoste said, but added: “We feel that we are at least at level five or even at level six.”

[redeux]

great input

what is the general feeling amongst experts at your plant?

thanx...really we have racked our brains trying to uncover the reasons why they were unable to achieve any Emergency cooling, why pressure climbed so high within the vessel, why where the diesel's fule tank above ground? why was the pressure so high for so long?.... make no mistake the core is undergoing a meltdown, and has been, theoretically the boron will kill reactivity and then decay heat must be controlled.... see what is being sought here, is every attempt to have an uncontrolled melt of the core that causes the vessel to breech...... so many things had to come together in order for this to happen the way it did..... its horrible... I keep wondering if the top of the inverted drywell was compromised when the explosion took place on the refuel floor? The vessel is housed behind a building inside a building.... ours is behind 6ft. of conc. the vessel itself is min. 6" thick superalloy steel, Made in Japan, with Stainless steel over top the steel... something that has been puzzling is why did the MSM state it would take 10 hrs to flood the drywell? ..it should take >10 min...... were they using firefighting hose? Seriously if all Safety System E. cooling pumps fail the fire brigade hits the bad boy..... how long ago was the reactor re-fueled? this is huge it was near the typical end of a 2 yr. run that would be very helpful......

[redeux]

there is a long standing history of controlling people through lack of fuel, lack of fuel choices, lack of alternatives to so-called dirty fuels;

we are in this stupid "green trap" because someone somewhere sometime stripped the developing world of the ability to develop oil independence, much less access all the oil that's there right now.

you can see this all over america, for example, how many cities decided to give up railways for cars and trucks? i know mine did.
people who ride bikes are mocked by rednecks, and people who ride trains are frustrated by how slow they are. why haven't they been replaced? they make enough money as it is and fast travel is empowering. Japan empowered itself by embracing well-researched, efficient technologies.

America has wasted most of its money on war implements and sticking to the old fuels/infrastructure.
We have to reduce competition to an almost feudal scenario via "disasters" or our capitalism debt tower will fall over the ocean like a bridge and let them march right in.

I agree with a portion of what you said..... Japan did what they were forced to do technologically due to available land mass......

[redeux]

"Th-MSR is just in the developmental stages..."
Not anymore. Now it's finished.

"this is not why this happened"  
This is only one move in the chess game. It serves a purpose to block development of safer nuclear options. Along with the green-nazi blocking of coal plants, the Chinese monopoly of rare earth metals (thus super-magnets), and the bolstering of alternative energy/carbon economy markets, you have a global energy coup.

Nuclear fear is essential for the next false flag and the destruction of Japan is necessary to allow US military presence and prevent any Russian and/or Chinese cooperation.

It's a multidimensional game and you are inferring that I assume only two dimensions.

my main point is I don't think its that cut and dry.... we have a tendency to give the NWO more credit that what is truly due..... I believe its smoke and mirrors, they cannot orchestrate shit...... as far as Th-MSR it is a long way from becoming a staple...... 200Mw is chicken feed in the industry, the idea of localized reactors is far fetched.....

[JT Coyoté]

Even though there seems to be some more logical explanations for this tragic earthquake, it can't hurt to collect and preserve the data from HAARP. Noticed a few videos online presenting some of this info, but wanted to see all the data at once. NOT an accusation of HAARP, just presenting & preserving potential evidence. Does anyone know what exactly this data proves or doesn't prove?..

http://wikiworldorder.com/2011/03/14/tragic-31111-earthquake-in-japan-haarp-screenshots/

Full-quality set of graphs: http://wikiworldorder.com/images/HAARP-Japan-Earthquake.png

Thanks Morgan...

Very interesting... is this induction, induced into the earth's magnetic field by HAARP... or is reception data, received from the solar flare...?

Some off the chart readings for the 9th, 10th, and 11th for sure.

Oldyoti

"If war is the continuation of politics by other means,
terrorism is the continuation of war by other means".
~Pat Buchanan --Where the Right Went Wrong--

[grapecrusher1]

thanx...really we have racked our brains trying to uncover the reasons why they were unable to achieve any Emergency cooling, why pressure climbed so high within the vessel, why where the diesel's fule tank above ground? why was the pressure so high for so long?.... make no mistake the core is undergoing a meltdown, and has been, theoretically the boron will kill reactivity and then decay heat must be controlled.... see what is being sought here, is every attempt to have an uncontrolled melt of the core that causes the vessel to breech...... so many things had to come together in order for this to happen the way it did..... its horrible... I keep wondering if the top of the inverted drywell was compromised when the explosion took place on the refuel floor? The vessel is housed behind a building inside a building.... ours is behind 6ft. of conc. the vessel itself is min. 6" thick superalloy steel, Made in Japan, with Stainless steel over top the steel... something that has been puzzling is why did the MSM state it would take 10 hrs to flood the drywell? ..it should take >10 min...... were they using firefighting hose? Seriously if all Safety System E. cooling pumps fail the fire brigade hits the bad boy..... how long ago was the reactor re-fueled? this is huge it was near the typical end of a 2 yr. run that would be very helpful......

Got an idea but can you elaborate on the bold?

So in your opinion it could go any which way still?
Containment, partial containment, complete meltdown.
Then it possibly could haved already been breached and we arent hearing but you would think there would be reports of increased radiation levels.

[Dig]

...in regards to Stuxnet.... I would, without having proof would suggest that is total bullshit..... ALL control rod movement etc., MSRV's, SRV's, feedwater check values, etc. etc. are not digitally controlled, there are plenty of digital equipment within the units, but due tot he AGE of these Reactor's the main control system are not these plants are Mechanically, moreover fluid/air actuated, extremely reliable........... moreover these systems are intended to sit in atleast quadruple redundancy from any outside WAN interface

The GE/SIEMENS PLC's are actually programmed to work with Stuxnet/variant. STUXNET is a joint venture with the help of SIEMENS/Windows/etc. The PLC's are built to be controlled by a shadow remote source. That is the inherent issue. Very similar to Ptech and the FAA. The FAA system is built to be hijacked with Ptech software. It is designed that way. What is important is what workarounds were done after STUXNET was discovered. Anything done before STUXNET was discovered is suspect. I mean no disrespect whatsoever to your awesome inside information and we are all very grateful that you are providing so much key information, but many FAA workers still do not understand Ptech and it stands to reason that operators of PLC's still do not have the full information on STUXNET/Variants.

Additionally, the concept of STUXNET is basically disinformation. The operator is given disinformation and acts on the disinfo. There are so many ways to do this, especially during a "shock and awe" moment. During 9/11, the main way all our defenses could not respond was because of the strategically inputted disinformation.

[feeditup]

Do you think this is legit

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm

[redeux]

Got an idea but can you elaborate on the bold?

So in your opinion it could go any which way still?
Containment, partial containment, complete meltdown.
Then it possibly could haved already been breached and we arent hearing but you would think there would be reports of increased radiation levels.

these BWR's typically run 2 yrs on a re-fuel if this reactor is due up for a re-fuel later this year this could limit the criticality of the vessel..... if it is just coming or recently been through its scheduled outage then the vessel is going to contain a good deal of fuel........

yes.... still could go one of the three ways..... absolutely this could have already been breached, that is something I keep turning in my head, and this would explain continual loss of seawater and inability to sustain water over <50% of fuel rod height, but I haven't seen any data on high release rates.....

[grapecrusher1]

I think they have increased the evacuation zone but this raise in level is not confirmed. 
Japan appears to still be at level 4.

[redeux]

The GE/SIEMENS PLC's are actually programmed to work with Stuxnet/variant. STUXNET is a joint venture with the help of SIEMENS/Windows/etc. The PLC's are built to be controlled by a shadow remote source. That is the inherent issue. Very similar to Ptech and the FAA. The FAA system is built to be hijacked with Ptech software. It is designed that way. What is important is what workarounds were done after STUXNET was discovered. Anything done before STUXNET was discovered is suspect. I mean no disrespect whatsoever to your awesome inside information and we are all very grateful that you are providing so much key information, but many FAA workers still do not understand Ptech and it stands to reason that operators of PLC's still do not have the full information on STUXNET/Variants.

Additionally, the concept of STUXNET is basically disinformation. The operator is given disinformation and acts on the disinfo. There are so many ways to do this, especially during a "shock and awe" moment. During 9/11, the main way all our defenses could not respond was because of the strategically inputted disinformation.

..within the scenario you provided perhaps.... I just don't see how it could be that elaborate, if you only saw the PAINS we go through to Mod or change anything within the plant..... we pay bookoo $$ for companies to continue to make out of date, technologically speaking, PLC's et al because you stick with what works, you don't make any changes on Safety related systems......

[redeux]

Do you think this is legit

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/RadiationNetwork.htm

what... that site? I think emitted rad levels are very low.... hell I know they are.... I have been in the main steam chase 30 hrs post shutdown and only picked up a few mmrem..... you only frisk post alert on a whole body counter if detected on person, it is not uncommon to get "gassed" up, where noble gas isotopes adhere to your clothing fibers, you NEVER wear synthetic materials into the plant especially on the Turbine Deck..... we go to incredible lengths to ensure containments do not cross barriers.... you would not believe how clean the inside of a nuke plant is.......