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"Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« on: March 03, 2011, 10:40:47 PM »
"Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"

By Sharyl Attkisson .


Copyright ©2011 CBS Interactive Inc

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/03/eveningnews/main20039031.shtml



"ATF Let Hundreds of U.S. Weapons Fall into Hands of Suspected Mexican Gunrunners "


By John Solomon and David Heath and Gordon Witkin | March 03, 2011


The Center for Public Integrity®

http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/2976/



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Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico
ATF agent says "Fast and Furious" program let guns "walk" into hands of Mexican drug cartels with aim of tracking and breaking a big case

By Sharyl Attkisson
(CBS News)

WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.

Investigators call the tactic letting guns "walk." In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.



Dodson's bosses say that never happened. Now, he's risking his job to go public.

"I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen."

Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

ATF named the case "Fast and Furious."

Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles.

So it turns out ATF not only allowed it - they videotaped it.

Documents show the inevitable result: The guns that ATF let go began showing up at crime scenes in Mexico. And as ATF stood by watching thousands of weapons hit the streets... the Fast and Furious group supervisor noted the escalating Mexican violence.

One e-mail noted, "958 killed in March 2010 ... most violent month since 2005." The same e-mail notes: "Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone," including "numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles."

Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. "I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two," he said. "The more our guys buy, the more violence we're having down there."


Senior agents including Dodson told CBS News they confronted their supervisors over and over.

Their answer, according to Dodson, was, "If you're going to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs."

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2011, 02:04:23 AM »
Another story destined for the memory hole...
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2011, 02:30:26 AM »
Another story destined for the memory hole...

Let's hope not... Better yet, let's make sure it doesn't...

We must contact the reporters who reported on this...

I will write an article on it for Infowars & PP.com.  

All we have to do is keep the information flowing through contact with these people, and cover every square foot of this story leaving not one stone unturned.

Supposed "smart-guns", eh?

keep this thread bumped...

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2011, 02:37:48 AM »
Let's hope not...

We must contact the reporters who reported on this...

I will write an article on it for Infowars & PP.com. 

All we have to do is keep the information flowing through contact with these people, and cover every square foot of this story leaving not one stone unturned.

keep this thread bumped...

Ready..? Spread out!

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That would be awesome if Alex Jones could get this agent John Dodson onto his show.

"US firearms" heading towards Mexico that "cause their violence" is the ultimate talking point used for infringing on the 2nd Amendment and for ushering in the SPP.

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 02:58:46 AM »
That would be awesome if Alex Jones could get this agent John Dodson onto his show.

"US firearms" heading towards Mexico that "cause their violence" is the ultimate talking point used for infringing on the 2nd Amendment and for ushering in the SPP.



This casts an interesting light to on the border situation.  

Well Guys, I just put on a fresh pot of coffee... this is going to be an all-nighter for me.  

Infowars Press time, 6:00 a.m. Mountain daylight time.  

I will preview it here ...

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 04:10:57 AM »
Holy Crap... February 23, 2011...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/23/eveningnews/main20035609.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Gunrunning scandal uncovered at the ATF
Program aimed at stopping the flow of weapons from the US to Mexico may have allegedly had the opposite effect

By Sharyl Attkisson

      "Project Gunrunner," an operation run by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, was designed to stop the flow of guns from the U.S. to Mexico's drug cartels, but had the opposite result. Investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports.

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WASHINGTON - Keeping American weapons from getting into the hands of Mexican gangs is the goal of a program called "Project Gunrunner." But critics say it's doing exactly the opposite. CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson reports on what she found.

December 14, 2010. The place: a dangerous smuggling route in Arizona not far from the border. A special tactical border squad was on patrol when gunfire broke out and agent Brian Terry was killed.

Kent, Brian's brother, said "he was my only brother. That was the only brother I had. I'm lost."

The assault rifles found at the murder were traced back to a U.S. gun shop. Where they came from and how they got there is a scandal so large, some insiders say it surpasses the shoot-out at Ruby Ridge and the deadly siege at Waco.

To understand why, it helps to know something about "Project Gunrunner" an operation run by the ATF the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Read the indictment: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/AVILA.PDF?tag=contentMain;contentBody

"Project Gunrunner" deployed new teams of agents to the southwest border. The idea: to stop the flow of weapons from the US to Mexico's drug cartels. But in practice, sources tell CBS News, ATF's actions had the opposite result: they allegedly facilitated the delivery of thousands of guns into criminal hands.

CBS News wanted to ask ATF officials about the case, but they wouldn't agree to an interview. We were able to speak to six veteran ATF agents and executives involved. They don't want to be quoted by name for fear of retaliation. These are their allegations.

In late 2009, ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic "weapons of choice" used by Mexican drug traffickers - semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols.

Sources tell CBS News several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but ATF encouraged them to continue.

Jaime Avila was one of the suspicious buyers. ATF put him in its suspect database in January of 2010. For the next year, ATF watched as Avila and other suspects bought huge quantities of weapons supposedly for "personal use." They included 575 AK-47 type semi-automatic rifles.

ATF managers allegedly made a controversial decision: allow most of the weapons on the streets. The idea, they said, was to gather intelligence and see where the guns ended up. Insiders say it's a dangerous tactic called letting the guns, "walk."

One agent called the strategy "insane." Another said: "We were fully aware the guns would probably be moved across the border to drug cartels where they could be used to kill."

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn't want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF's watchful eye. "The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That's how many guns were sold - including some 50-calibers they let walk."

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: "Negative. Stand down."


Read the entire article at the link at top...

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 06:33:27 AM »
Now we know where the US Justice Department and ATF were getting there illegal gun statistics.  They helped create them and stood by and did absolutely nothing as innocent Mexicans and Americans were gunned down by these weapons. 
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 09:28:59 AM »
As Promised...

War on Drugs? No! A Border War on the 2nd Amendment.

Commentary by: JT Coyoté

In August of 2010 I published an article on these pages titled "Obama gains foreign support against 2nd Amendment." The article was spawned as a result of an April 2009 meeting between Mexican President Felipe Calderon and newly inaugurated U.S. President Barack H. Obama. This summit centered on Mexican fears that illegal firearms may be entering Mexico across our common border.  

Revelations the last few weeks by Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms whistle-blower John Dodson, show proof that not only did illegal firearms begin entering Mexico, but for the last 15 months with the assistance of the BATFE, at least 2000 semi-auto rifles and pistols from 5.56mm to 50 caliber have found there way into the hands of Mexican drug and street gangs -- all with the full sanctioning of the U.S. Justice Department. This is detailed in a February 23, 2011 article titled "Gunrunning scandal uncovered at the ATF" and then blown wide open in the March 3, 2011 follow-up, "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico", both written by CBS Journalist, Sharyl Attkisson.

Now that we have the background on this little Justice Department black operation called "Fast and Furious" -- an operation that took place apparently without the knowledge or consent of the Mexican government -- oooh, that's gonna leave a mark, eh Hillary?   Let's do a little "dot connecting"-- let's see if we can flesh out this operation that over the last 15 months or so has been anything but fast and furious.  

Initially we learn that the program is to target individuals and groups who purchase firearms, so-called straw buyers, and then smuggle the weapons across the Mexican border. If that be the case, why were they not stopped and confiscated when they reached the border.  After all the BATFE was videotaping these straw purchases. And the half dozen or so gun shops that supplied the guns were in on the sting.  Well, maybe stopping straw purchases wasn't the real reason after all. There has to be another reason why the BATFE and the Justice Department allowed these guns to make there way deep into Mexico.  

There has to be a logical reason the Feds allowed "Fast and Furious" to become "Slow and Deadly" since those weapons were used  to murder literally thousands of people in the bloodiest 15 months in modern Mexican history.  Does this make it easier for the Drug Enforcement Agency and the border Patrol to interdict Mexican gang and drug cartel members as they cross the border?   No, it does not.  In December 2010 while attempting to stop cartel members crossing the border, a shoot-out erupted in which the border agent Brian Terry was killed.  Two of the weapons found were from the straw purchases. This is when agent John Dobson decided to blow the whistle.

Ah, that's it... it's all coming together now. The only purpose for allowing thousands of American firearms to be used in the killing of thousands of Mexicans, is to get the Mexican people on board with Obama, Biden, Clinton, and others, fighting to destroy the 2nd Amendment -- in a REAL War across the Mexican border.

Thank you for your courage John Dodson, you sir, are an American Hero!

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 10:22:21 AM »
Excellent article, JT!

I was wondering are these illegal guns, some of the guns bought from the LEO's 'guns for food card' programs?  Of course they tell citizens they will destroy them after they do a full background check--but I am convinced they are never destroyed.

Edit to add -  I thought I would put this link in where citizens countered the Police by-back programs:  http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=202663.0;topicseen
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 12:14:33 PM »
Agent John Dobson, hats of to this man.....

  This can not kept swept under the rug. ATF,DEA, US Justice Dept, among others are up to their neck in this pile of shiiit.
  15 months of feeding the Mex Drug cartells with firepower, promoting genocide.

JT, is sharp with his words & knowledgable with the laws. I hope you post that letter your doing up JT, post er up and we can get flood the MSM.
 
These freeaks have been caught redhanded, we can no let this get away.

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2011, 01:47:41 PM »
Alex and crew has to get Agent John Dodson onto the show.




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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2011, 02:53:24 PM »
Alex and crew has to get Agent John Dodson onto the show.





BTT,

If I know the Guys, John Dodson has already been contacted... yet it wouldn't hurt to drop Alex an email or two just to make sure....

Here is the link to the article on infowars.com... It just went up...

http://www.infowars.com/war-on-drugs-no-border-war-on-the-2nd-amendment/

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 05:35:04 PM »
Excellent article, JT!

I was wondering are these illegal guns, some of the guns bought from the LEO's 'guns for food card' programs?  Of course they tell citizens they will destroy them after they do a full background check--but I am convinced they are never destroyed.

Edit to add -  I thought I would put this link in where citizens countered the Police by-back programs:  http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=202663.0;topicseen

Thanks Donnay...

The Guns being discussed here are those which have been specifically traced through the BATFE "Fast and Furious" Program.  At present count, this entails right at 2000 new rifles, and pistols... ARs, AKs, and Barrett .50 Cals being the majority of the rifles... There are no doubt more...

The interesting thing about all this is that in the REAL world, this is an act of terrorism conducted by the United States federal government against a sovereign nation…

This is exactly what the British did in the south of the 1850s by trading Guns and Cannon for cotton… This is an act of war against Mexico...

WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR A DECLARATION OF WAR BY CONGRESS STATING THAT FACT.

As a result, over 30,000 Mexicans have been killed, tortured, beheaded and many more lives damaged irreparably by this "program"…

Is this what we want? ?? Why is this so quiet in the media... Say Something about it Alex, Charlie? This is really bad news...

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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2011, 08:15:30 PM »

  Neither can the feds deny this nor can they justify it.
  They could attempt to claim this was an op gone bad and seek out sacrifical lambs, but I don' see that playing out.
  I pray this gets attention, big time.
 

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 08:19:10 PM »
Too bad they don't have privates in the ATF. Maybe a GS-2 file clerk can be found to be the scapegoat?
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 09:54:03 PM »
Thanks Donnay...

The Guns being discussed here are those which have been specifically traced through the BATFE "Fast and Furious" Program.  At present count, this entails right at 2000 new rifles, and pistols... ARs, AKs, and Barrett .50 Cals being the majority of the rifles... There are no doubt more...

The interesting thing about all this is that in the REAL world, this is an act of terrorism conducted by the United States federal government against a sovereign nation…

This is exactly what the British did in the south of the 1850s by trading Guns and Cannon for cotton… This is an act of war against Mexico...

WITHOUT THE PERMISSION OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OR A DECLARATION OF WAR BY CONGRESS STATING THAT FACT.

As a result, over 30,000 Mexicans have been killed, tortured, beheaded and many more lives damaged irreparably by this "program"…

Is this what we want? ?? Why is this so quiet in the media... Say Something about it Alex, Charlie? This is really bad news...

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Thanks for explaining that--yes, this is BIG NEWS!  After Waco, I always thought the BATFE should have been disbanded. 
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2011, 11:43:27 PM »
Right after B.P. Agent Terry was killed in Dec. 2010 things started opening up... there was chatter, 6 other ATF officials who were against this thing were talking or thinking about it...

The administration needed a diversion... then came the shootings in Tucson on January 8th, which was aimed in the media in the direction of demonizing the truth movement to begin with... successfully filling the media full of flack...

Alex stopped that somewhat after a week or so... and as it turns out, the Jared kid,  the shooter, is just... whoa, what is he... and where is he... does anyone know..?

We get so snowed on in here with news, no-one stays on a story more than half a day before there are 20 more bring reported... a lot of it is BS to begin with...  designed to lead us away from the real news...

There are only 3 comments on this story at infowars... it seems odd... a clear long term act of war... against Mexico by an agency of the federal government... there should be more bring said on this... how about y'all, what do you think..?

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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2011, 04:25:32 PM »
ATF Let Hundreds of U.S. Weapons Fall into Hands of Suspected Mexican Gunrunners Whistleblower Says Agents Strongly Objected to Risky Strategy

By John Solomon and David Heath and Gordon Witkin | March 03, 2011

Hoping to score a major prosecution of Mexican drug lords, federal prosecutors and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives permitted hundreds of guns to be purchased and retained by suspected straw buyers with the expectation they might cross the border and even be used in crimes while the case was being built, according to documents and interviews.
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ATF Announces Immediate Review of Gun-Running Operation
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Click here to read documents and interviews related to the investigation. Redactions were made by the Senate Judiciary Committee to protect the identities of confidential informants, undercover agents and cooperating gun stores.

The decision — part of a Phoenix-based operation code named “Fast and Furious” — was met by strong objections from some front-line agents who feared they were allowing weapons like AK-47s to “walk” into the hands of drug lords and gun runners, internal agency memos show. Indeed, scores of the weapons came back quickly traced to criminal activity.

One of those front-line agents who objected, John Dodson, 39, told the Center for Public Integrity that these guns “are going to be turning up in crimes on both sides of the border for decades.” Dodson said in an interview that “with the number of guns we let walk, we’ll never know how many people were killed, raped, robbed … there is nothing we can do to round up those guns. They are gone.”

Dodson has taken his misgivings to the Senate Judiciary Committee as a whistleblower after his concerns were dismissed by his supervisors and initially ignored by the Justice Department’s inspector general.

Sen. Charles Grassley, the panel’s top Republican — who is spearheading a probe of ATF’s actions – said “it’s time to step back” and examine the policy. Two of the guns involved in the sting operation turned up at the scene of a fatal shooting of a U.S. agent.

The Justice Department said today that Attorney General Eric Holder has asked the department’s acting inspector general to evaluate the concerns about ATF’s investigative tactics.


Click here to read the rest of this in depth investigative report from The Center for Public Integrity

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2011, 05:34:04 PM »
Of course Globocrats supplying the gangs and military of Mexico.

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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2011, 06:09:57 PM »
Of course Globocrats supplying the gangs and military of Mexico.

Is this an apologetic?? I mean your comment goes without saying...

Oh, I see...

We just caught the bastards in mid crime...

...but because y'all know that the bastards are going to be bastards...

we should just listen to the guy with the flashlight barking...

"Move on! Move along... no Crime here, just a small infraction that may destroy America. Small... insignificant provocateuring... possible war on the border, happens every day somewhere in the world... Move along now!"

This is a chance to take down one of the murderous unconstitutional agencies, the killers at Waco and OKC...

GET IT?!

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2011, 07:34:05 PM »
Is this an apologetic?? I mean your comment goes without saying...

Oh, I see...

We just caught the bastards in mid crime...

...but because y'all know that the bastards are going to be bastards...

we should just listen to the guy with the flashlight barking...

"Move on! Move along... no Crime here, just a small infraction that may destroy America. Small... insignificant provocateuring... possible war on the border, happens every day somewhere in the world... Move along now!"

This is a chance to take down one of the murderous unconstitutional agencies, the killers at Waco and OKC...

GET IT?!

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of his effort, is not strictly speaking a society, but a
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I am not making light of it, I am offering a summary to those with shorter attention spans.  I have been thoerizing that the Globalists are going to use Chinese and Mexican mercenaries to overrun America.  What do you think the whole Aztland thing is about ?

They are also behind MS-13 and all the drug violence in the Southwestern States.

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2011, 03:57:43 AM »
I am not making light of it, I am offering a summary to those with shorter attention spans.  I have been thoerizing that the Globalists are going to use Chinese and Mexican mercenaries to overrun America.  What do you think the whole Aztland thing is about ?

They are also behind MS-13 and all the drug violence in the Southwestern States.

I saw you as missing the point of it, not making light of it. Oh, and it's the mythical Mezo-Indian paradise of Aztlan that is being foisted up to capture the Mejicano imagination... It is the roots of the "Tattoo your whole body" craze, and driver of those who cult-ishly watch "Gangland" on the History Channel, preparing the shock troops, and includes all of the prison "training-camp" shows in the media that started with "OZ"...

MS-13 was founded in LA in the early '80s by Salvadorian illegals and has spread out from there back to Mexico and central America. Bill Clinton, and Karl Rove, among others, have addressed large groups of illegals... mostly comprised of those with the "Aztlan Dream." Mara Salvatrucha-13 serve as one wing of the western hemisphere Neo-Brownshirt-esque shock troops... there are other groups as well under the globalists tutelage.

BUT, that is not the importance of this story...  This particular EXPOSE, this story is about the BATFE and the DOJ being caught with their pants down and their dicks in the dog!

If we allow this chance to undo one of the MOST unconstitutional agencies of the "agency run and bloated federal government," then we all deserve to have our blood drained down the face of the pyramid of the sun... it will be easy for them to do since we won't even take an opportunity to fight back even when it's just handed to us... we collectively still don't get it... or the fluoride is working wonders for the globies.

They, the global masters of all of these minion groups want to torture you... they see free people as wildlife, renegades off the reservation. They will torture, kill, and sacrifice we and our children to their GOD, and I'm not talking about Quetzalcoatl here.

This BATFE cover-up is huge, and the payoffs to the Mexican Government, to keep silent have got to be enormous... even if the Federales are in on it...

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2011, 05:44:43 PM »
we need to Google bomb this.

I agree... Google, "No Border War"....

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2011, 12:21:24 AM »
Excellent article, JT!

I was wondering are these illegal guns, some of the guns bought from the LEO's 'guns for food card' programs?  Of course they tell citizens they will destroy them after they do a full background check--but I am convinced they are never destroyed.

Edit to add -  I thought I would put this link in where citizens countered the Police by-back programs:  http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=202663.0;topicseen

Googlebomb, "No Border War"...  ;D

As you know, when Valerius posted this story on Thursday, with fears of it going into the infamous "memory hole"... I said I would scramble to get an article on it up by Friday morning...

After reading everything I could on the subject, the two articles from Sharyl A. and the reams of info from all of the folks over at Public Integrity.org, it was about 5am here. About that time of day my eyeballs start swapping sockets and stuff like that since that is normally when I'm starting to wake up.

Anyway, I punched it together and posted it at about 6:30am to Kurt, and then I posted it here at about 7am...  then... I collapsed till about noon.

I didn't expect a lot of response since I merely wanted to jam a couple of ideas out there for folks to think about, yet mostly to get the titles and links to the Attkisson articles on the blogs, where folks could research them.

I have refined the article a bit and added a bit more info for further publication. the SDN will pick it up this week sometime. Anyhow...  it is posted  here...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=202794.msg1208444#msg1208444

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2011, 02:03:48 AM »
Googlebomb, "No Border War"...  ;D

Alex needs to plug away.

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2011, 02:54:18 AM »
My friends, I've seen so many of these revelations over the years that come and go but never stick in the public conscious... I don't know what to tell you. The big ones, the little ones...

I tune in to Alex for for his optimism more than info.
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2011, 03:08:36 AM »
My friends, I've seen so many of these revelations over the years that come and go but never stick in the public conscious... I don't know what to tell you. The big ones, the little ones...

I tune in to Alex for for his optimism more than info.

i believe there will come a certain point, where they simply cant just switch on the TV, watch some brain destroying crap and forget about it. There will come a time, where enough is enough, the people are in such a daze, that it would have been quite clear that time should have come a hell of a long time ago.

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2011, 03:49:35 AM »
i believe there will come a certain point, where they simply cant just switch on the TV, watch some brain destroying crap and forget about it. There will come a time, where enough is enough, the people are in such a daze, that it would have been quite clear that time should have come a hell of a long time ago.

This may help push them over that line... 5 border town police chiefs murdered or missing... all women...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=202858.msg1208929#msg1208929
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2011, 04:16:43 AM »
Alex needs to plug away.

He sure does, 'cause I'm afraid it is a comin' brother, and the feds are armin' the bad guys against us regular folks both sides of the border!!

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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2011, 01:52:25 PM »
Hey, J.T. he mentioned your article a few minutes ago, bud.
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2011, 02:01:30 PM »
Hey, J.T. he mentioned your article a few minutes ago, bud.

Yes, I heard it too!  Good job, JT!
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2011, 04:18:32 PM »
We've got a lot of good stuff right here.
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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2011, 09:50:09 PM »
Hey, J.T. he mentioned your article a few minutes ago, bud.

I'm glad Corsi chimed in on this topic too.

This BATFE scandal, to me, is more important than the crap going on in the Middle East.


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Re: "Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico"
« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2011, 12:44:22 AM »
I'm glad Corsi chimed in on this topic too.

This BATFE scandal, to me, is more important than the crap going on in the Middle East.




It's right up there. Above a lot of things. The Ray McGovern thing needed more attention, too, for the irony factor alone.
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