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Author Topic: What's the cause of our socioeconomic crises? Immigrants, immigrants, immigrants! (Oh, and robber barons, too.)  (Read 879 times)
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« on: February 23, 2011, 06:33:29 AM »

I think we need to take these 4 points of agreement, Ron Paul's ideals and what you have outlined in this thread and the other that you linked and find a way to combine them all into one single set of beliefs/guidelines that we can use to form a political party and get everyone behind it instead of having dozens of similar groups that all are at odds with eachother cuz they disagree on the little things. In the next few days ill have something put together as my idea and ill post it here. Also we would need to name the party, like American Order Party, Fair and Free Party, etc....Also what are your thoughts on Donald Trump for president? He is far more than just a tv personality, he knows business and money and thats what we need. And face it, Ron Paul wont win. Maybe we can be fast enough with getting our ideas and party together and have Rand Paul as our candidate in 2016.
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 10:58:56 AM »

Well here is my plan, maybe a few other ideas to come in the next few days.

Borrowed from http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0
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* Institute fair and equal ballot access criteria.

* Enact both Congressman Ron Paul's Freedom Debate Act and Senator Herb Kohl's Weekend Voting Act.

* Repeal both the Federal Election Campaign Act and Bipartisan Campaign "Reform" Act.

* Mandate the use of hand-counted paper ballots for all elections.

* Require all election ballots to include a binding NOTA option.

* Enact the Internet Freedom Preservation Act.

* Repeal the Telecommunications "Reform" Act.

* Repeal the "Patriot" Act, Homeland "Security" Act, Military Commissions Act, Presidential Directive 51, and any and all other post-9/11 police state expansion measures.

* Abolish corporate personhood.(self note: And forced all corporations that are based outside U.S. for tax purposes to relocate back to the U.S. or be immediately barred from doing any business within our borders.)

* Abolish the CIA. (self note: And abolish the members from ever being involved in anything similar.)

* Abolish FEMA. (self note: And abolish the members from ever being involved in anything similar.)

* Put all derivatives-infected mega-banks through Chapter 11 bankruptcy and, in the reorganization proceedings, legally void all of their derivatives contracts. (self note: And abolish the members from ever being involved in anything similar. We will CONSIDER allowing them to use the ATM outside the banks.)

* Liquidate all of the ill-gotten assets of criminal scam artists such as Henry Paulson and Bernard Madoff, and use the resultant proceeds to help replenish whatever retirement funds they raided.

* Institute a new round of international agreements modeled on the Bretton Woods Accords, with an aim towards replacing the current “floating” exchange rates for national currencies with a fixed rate that, as such, is pegged to the value of either an agreed-upon standardized price index or an agreed-upon “basket” of diverse, widely available, everyday commodities. (More on this here.)

* Bring an immediate end to our imperialist, terroristic, hornets' nest-stirring foreign policy, and pass the hundreds of billions in resultant tax savings onto the bottom 90% of income earners.

* Eliminate federal involvement in so-called "education" and pass the tens of billions in savings onto the bottom 90%.

* Shift the tax burden to the greatest extent possible off the privately created values of labor and capital goods and onto the publicly created value of land. (More on this here and here.)

* Use antitrust action to break up the oil cartel, while simultaneously educating the masses about the manufactured myth of "peak oil." (self note: Pass a law that freezes the price of gasoline at $1.50 a gallon for 15 years and allow it to be raised by an increment of 25 cents every 10 years.)

* Withdraw the U.S. from both NAFTA and the WTO.

* Enact the American Sovereignty Restoration Act.

* Reverse the occupational licensing-caused cartelization of the American economy.

* Relegalize alternative medicine. (self note: Go further. Make all mainstream medicine illegal except those that we have no alternative for.)

* Outlaw both tainted vaccines and the fluoridation of our water supplies.

* End the insane drug war.(self note:  Also legalize marijuana and prostitution. Neither harm anybody involved.)

* Repeal all federal gun control laws.

Borrowed from http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=198869.0
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Adhere to the 4 points of agreement...

1.  Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.

2.  Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.

3.  The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.

4.  The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.

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* Replace our current debt-based money system with a debt-free money system, whereby all new money -- instead of being loaned into circulation at interest -- is spent in at no interest to fund both (a) the production and repair of public goods everyone can see and benefit from (e.g., roads and bridges) and (b) a "National Dividend" -- all at a rate pegged by law to the general price level. (More on this here.)


* Abolish corporate welfare. (self note: pass a law that forces them to repay all welfare they have gotten from the taxpayers.)

Now my ideas....

-Withdraw from the UN

-Make it illegal to be a gang member, with each conviction coming with a mandatory 5 year sentence. If after your sentence is served you are found to be involved in gang activities you get a mandatory 10 year sentence. Third strike is 15 years, after which your citizenship is revoked and you are sent on a plane to whatever country is willing to accept you.

-Release all non violent criminals. Enroll them in mandatory rehab programs.

-Make all prisons/jails so that every inmate is housed together. No more child molesters getting theyre own cell away from general population. Work each inmate 16 hours a day to pay off their debt to the taxpayers.

-Hunt down and deport each and every illegal immigrant and return them to their country of origin. Including BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. If their family members dont want to be seperated from their illegal immigrant relatives they are allowed to go with them as long as they immediately renounce their own citizenship.

-Put up fences on our canadian and mexico border that stretch ocean to ocean. Each fence is 75 feet tall, cant be cut with wirecutters/torches, is rigged with an excessively lethal voltage of electricity. An identical fence will be placed 50 feet inside of this one. With towers every 1/4 mile staffed with military trained snipers, who carry 50 caliber rifles and AA12 shotguns, with SHOOT ANYTHING THAT MOVES ORDERS. Do you get the point? Nobody is getting in.

Thats it for now. Any ideas?
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 04:09:02 AM »

Also we can see what we can do about ending racism/race baiting, etc. If people keep playing the race card every 10 seconds, and/or are actually racists, we will never be able to unite and bring an end to the nwo.
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« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2011, 01:11:23 PM »

so none of you believe we should fix everything once we take down the nwo? if we take them down and leave the points i stated alone we will never have a safe or stable country. Period.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2011, 07:01:46 AM »

Lol just put something else up that would be effective when it comes to water ways. And without illegal immigrants here unemployment would be near zero. (im speaking assuming we the people were running the country rather than this dictator nwo crap). With a huge crackdown on gangs there would be less need for police, also less innocent people getting killed/robbed. Working the prisoners 16 hours a day would keep them busy and tired, meaning they wouldnt cause as much trouble. Meaning less cost to house them. Also having child molesters and rapists in general population would cut down on those crimes, cuz we all know what happens to them when they are, and that they deserve far worse.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 08:32:20 AM »

Also we can see what we can do about ending racism/race baiting, etc. If people keep playing the race card every 10 seconds, and/or are actually racists, we will never be able to unite and bring an end to the nwo.

99% of the race baiting I see comes from the corporate whore "news" media -- MSNBC in particular.

Thus, in my view, this ongoing obsession over race is a mere symptom of an underlying root cause: the concentrated ownership of the media.

       http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4467655342219448521 (Orwell Rolls In His Grave)

       

The first step to reversing that trend is to repeal the Telecommunications "Reform" Act.
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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2011, 08:58:30 AM »

And without illegal immigrants here unemployment would be near zero.

Nonsense. Did illegal immigrants create the quadrillion-dollar deratives bubble? No. Are they the ones parasitically extracting countless billions in usurious interest from the economy each year in exchange for the non-existent "money" they loan? No. Are they the ones imposing an anti-labor/pro-land speculation tax system on everyone? No.

Thus, those who attempt to make Third World peasants the scapegoat for the unemployment crisis are simply continuing the right-wing tradition of blaming the poor for the crimes of the rich:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196128.0

And, in so doing, are serving (however unwittingly) the propaganda interests of the very ruling-class oligarchs they profess to oppose:

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“In his People’s Party Paper, Tom Watson, the Populist congressman from Georgia, appealed to white and black farmers to meet on common ground: ‘You are kept apart that you may be fleeced separately of your earnings. You are made to hate each other because upon that hatred is rested the keystone of the arch of the financial despotism which enslaves you both. You are deceived and blinded that you may not see how this race antagonism perpetuates a monetary system which beggars both.’” 

-- Jack Beatty, Age of Betrayal, p. 214


“That’s the way the ruling class operates in any society: they try to divide the rest of the people. They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other, so that they, the rich, can run off with all the f**king money.

"Fairly simple thing; happens to work.

"You know, anything different, that’s what they’re gonna talk about: race, religion, ethic and national backgrounds, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality -- anything they can do [to] keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank."


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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2011, 05:44:22 PM »

Geo you are hilarious. With all the illegals back where they came (or at least no longer in the US) they wouldnt be holding jobs here, leaving those millions of jobs free for US CITIZENS to obtain. Also i said if we the people were running this country, thus meaning there wouldnt be a derivatives bubble, usurious interest, non existent money or the anti labor/pro land speculation tax.

Furthermore, even right now here in the real world i would support forcing them out of our country, and keeping them out, by whatever means necessary. They are breaking the law. They are a huge drain on our economy, however small in the grand scope of things. We cannot just ignore them and pretend there isnt a problem.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 02:06:42 PM »

Geo you are hilarious.

This isn't about me, so whether you happen to find me "hilarious" or not is, of course, irrelevant to the issue at hand.

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With all the illegals back where they came (or at least no longer in the US) they wouldnt be holding jobs here, leaving those millions of jobs free for US CITIZENS to obtain.

Translation: "Pay no attention to those parasitic robber barons behind the curtain! It's Mexican peasants who are to blame for all this!"  Roll Eyes

Way to blatantly ignore my point about this being precisely the sort of divide-and-rule propaganda that ruling-class oligarchs thrive upon.

With "opponents" like you, they don't need any allies!

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Also i said if we the people were running this country, thus meaning there wouldnt be a derivatives bubble, usurious interest, non existent money or the anti labor/pro land speculation tax.

Yes, but contrary to what you seem to believe, we cannot reassert our rightful control over our own government if all we do is bash immigrants all day long.

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We cannot just ignore them and pretend there isnt a problem.

Yes, but in the name of not "ignoring" them, you insist on erring in the opposite direction.

And I, for one, reject the ridiculous notion that the only alternative to ignoring something altogether is to obsess over it to the unnecessary and self-defeating exclusion of more important issues.

If the coalition I advocate in this thread is to have any chance of becoming a reality, we must stop mindlessly blaming the mere existence of the many for the crimes of the few!

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=185377.0
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 05:11:12 PM »

Lol. Who said anything about focusing on just that? or obsessing over it? I didnt imply either. You ignore half of what i say and attempt to paint me as an nwo sympathizer. How utterly hilarious Smiley 
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 05:41:17 PM »

Timothyflyte:

To accomplish all set out sounds great.  It seems the only way it would happen, however -- is to prosecute the perpetrators, first.  They wield too much power and that has to *not* be the case in order to succeed?  I don't really know...

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2011, 06:34:06 PM »


Translation: "Pay no attention to those parasitic robber barons behind the curtain! It's Mexican peasants who are to blame for all this!"  Roll Eyes

Way to blatantly ignore my point about this being precisely the sort of divide-and-rule propaganda that ruling-class oligarchs thrive upon.

With "opponents" like you, they don't need any allies!

Yes, but contrary to what you seem to believe, we cannot reassert our rightful control over our own government if all we do is bash immigrants all day long.

Yes, but in the name of not "ignoring" them, you insist on erring in the opposite direction.

And I, for one, reject the ridiculous notion that the only alternative to ignoring something altogether is to obsess over it to the unnecessary and self-defeating exclusion of more important issues.

If the coalition I advocate in this thread is to have any chance of becoming a reality, we must stop mindlessly blaming the mere existence of the many for the crimes of the few!

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=185377.0

Valiant effort and a nobly intentioned retort. If it were not for the fact that the noble-billionaire robber barons have exported our technologies and industries to slave labor camps, taken over, conterfeited and rented us our own money, then terrorized us all into endless costly and expensive adventures to support the ZioNAZI robbery of Palestine and the corporatist robberies of countless other nations, to line their pockets, imposed gangland drug prohibitions and corrupted our politicians, media and courts - the US could have well afforded to have had quadruple the immigration it has. (and better defended borders)

Blaming a hard working productive someone who'll do a perfectly good (so-called) "$700 repair" to your car for you for an honest $75 (and a few beers) is hardly a way to make life better for anybody, anywhere.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2011, 06:47:58 PM »


Same old story: "you can always pay (and/or setup) half of the slaves to fight with the other half"
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