Sunday is Bring Your Gay Teen to Church Day

[No2NWO]

Open doors await them
Homosexuality and religion have a complicated past, but some area churches hope to bridge that gap this Sunday

Ebie Hussey's first reaction when her son announced that he is gay was to offer unconditional love.

Finding a new church was a close second.

"His first question was, 'Am I going to hell?' " Hussey said of that conversation with her son, Jaxn. "Mainstream Christianity and fundamental Christianity really pushes that homosexuality is a sin, and he had caught on to that."

Jaxn, now 15, knew his parents didn't think that. "But I had always heard people saying that kind of thing," he said.

In an effort to counter the message, almost two dozen Houston-area churches have designated Sunday as Bring Your Gay Teen to Church Day.

"We think it's important for families to know there's a safe place to go to worship," said Jim Bankston, senior minister at St. Paul's United Methodist Church. "Families who have gay members want to make sure they feel welcome in church and aren't bashed in any way."

Joanna Crawford, a seminary student at the Houston Graduate School of Theology, said the idea came up after the suicide last fall of Asher Brown, a Cypress-area eighth-grader who killed himself after what his parents said were years of bullying and taunts that he was gay.

It is a project of the Houston Clergy Council, formed last year to allow churches to work together on shared concerns.

"None of us knew Asher, but we felt if we could get families into our churches, where they have support, where they feel loved for who they are, not in spite of it, something good could come of that," Crawford said.

Organized religion has had a complicated relationship with homosexuality.
A 'negative' message

Joel Osteen, pastor of Lakewood Church, waded into the fray last month when he told CNN that homosexuality is a sin, although he doesn't preach on the topic and a number of people who attend his church, the largest in the United States, are gay.

A survey last fall by the Public Religion Research Institute found that fewer than 20 percent of Americans believe places of worship do a good job on the issue. Almost half said religion's message on the topic is "negative," and 40 percent said the messages contribute "a lot" to negative perceptions of gays and lesbians.

Almost two-thirds said the messages contribute to higher rates of suicide among gay and lesbian youth.

Religious Americans historically have had negative attitudes about gays and lesbians, said Robert P. Jones, the institute's CEO.

Mainline Protestant churches — including the Episcopal, Lutheran and Methodist churches - began wrestling with how to interpret biblical writings on the issue several decades ago, he said. Other churches, including the Unitarian Universalist and the Metropolitan Community churches, have always described themselves as "welcoming" churches, distancing themselves from conventional religious views.

"We don't need a special day," said the Rev. Adam Robinson, assistant minister at First Unitarian Universalist Church in Houston. "The GLBT folks are welcome every day."

Proclaiming a special day is mainly a way to spread the word, he said.

"It's for the parent who doesn't know what to do with their teen that is experiencing a different sexuality, who is wondering whether they'll be accepted in a faith-based environment," Robinson said.

Jones said the institute's survey was too small to register statistically significant findings for non-Christian religious groups.
'A huge blessing'

But it did show a generation gap that affects all religious groups, he said.

"Younger people are much more supportive on rights for same-sex couples than the older generation," he said. "They also were much more likely to see these connections between negative views in the churches and negative views in society and with the higher rates of suicide."

Hussey did a computer search for "gay-friendly churches" and discovered Plymouth United Church of Christ in Spring.

"It's been a huge blessing," Hussey said. "It has brought me so much closer to God and to my spirituality, having a gay child, because it puts me in the position of Jesus' message, which is unconditional love."

Each participating church will handle Sunday's services differently. Jaxn Hussey, now a sophomore at Klein High School, made beaded bracelets and handed them out at school, along with information about Plymouth United.

"I really want gay teens like myself to have a place where they feel truly accepted, where they can be who they are," he said. "And that place is Plymouth."

The Rev. Ginny Brown Daniel and members of the congregation "showed me God doesn't hate you because you're gay," he said.

That was important to his parents.

"When a child tells you they're gay, you don't want to change your plan for him," Ebie Hussey said. "I still want him to be a doctor. I still want him to marry a doctor. I still want him to be Christian."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7435364.html

 

[Satyagraha]

Well it's a dangerous thing if people start accepting gay people - I mean, what will the CIA do with all those compromising dossiers that will no longer work to keep legislators, judges, and executives in check?  How could they have kept J.Edgar Hoover under control all those years if not for the threat of exposing him as homosexual? And what about all those guys in the congress right now - the ones who are forced to comply with instructions or face exposure and humiliation?

What would happen if they all just came out of the closet and said "FU*K OFF" to the powers that seek to control them?

If being gay was acceptable to most people, then the power they hold over closeted gays in high places in government would be for naught! It would remove a major blackmail and extortion tool from their arsenal!!

SO EVERYONE -- KEEP ON HATING PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY: THE NWO NEEDS YOU TO CONTINUE.
It's for your safety. See something -say something - and they'll say nothing as long as you do what you're told.

[Kilika]

Within Christianity, homosexuality is a sin of the flesh without question, however the problem arises in how people treat homosexuals, particularly in relation to the doctrine of Christ. Many of the so-called churches out there are not preaching sound doctrine, which is that we are guilty before God, gay people are no more guilty than the next person. It's just another lust of the flesh. What sound doctrine says is that the believer is exhorted to walk after the spirit so they won't fulfilled the lusts of the flesh.


"[This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." Galatians 5:16 (KJB)


"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9 (KJB)


Even though the believer is saved once born-again, the flesh continues to be sinful and corrupted. Thus we are to focus on being spiritual, and not carnal and acting on desires of the flesh that goes against the Spirit of God that dwells within the believer.


"I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin." Romans 7:25 (KJB)


Where some worldly churches fail is in telling people it's okay to be gay, or rather to continue to live a gay lifestyle once a Christian. If the person willfully continues to live their life as a homosexual, that's a big problem. Scripture clearly shows relations with one of the same sex is a sin and not of God but of the flesh and even says it goes against nature, so they must, for lack of a better way to put it, stop being gay. And I believe that once a person is truly saved, they'll understand what scripture says about it.

The reality is that we are not perfect and we all have our moments of backslidding in some way or another, but that doesn't change our salvation if saved. It may bring on chastisement and tribulation in one's life, as a father spanks their child when the child gets out of line, but believers are still children of God, regardless of our relapses of the flesh. The difference is the believer knows when they sin and thus ask God to forgive them and direct them away from a sinful life.

There's no allowence for having gay sex or having a gay couple relationship according to the Word of God. A believer should avoid it as much as they avoid telling a lie. In Christianity, it's opposite sex couples that are married to one spouse, or single.


1   Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. 
2   Nevertheless, [to avoid] fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 
3   Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. 
4   The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. 
5   Defraud ye not one the other, except [it be] with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. 
6   But I speak this by permission, [and] not of commandment. 
7   For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. 
8   I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 
9   But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. 
1 Corinthians 7:1-9 (KJB)


16   For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17   And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1 John 2:16,17 (KJB)


"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." 1 Peter 4:6 (KJB)

[agentbluescreen]

Well it's a dangerous thing if people start accepting gay people - I mean, what will the CIA do with all those compromising dossiers that will no longer work to keep legislators, judges, and executives in check?  How could they have kept J.Edgar Hoover under control all those years if not for the threat of exposing him as homosexual? And what about all those guys in the congress right now - the ones who are forced to comply with instructions or face exposure and humiliation?

What would happen if they all just came out of the closet and said "FU*K OFF" to the powers that seek to control them?

If being gay was acceptable to most people, then the power they hold over closeted gays in high places in government would be for naught! It would remove a major blackmail and extortion tool from their arsenal!!

SO EVERYONE -- KEEP ON HATING PEOPLE WHO ARE GAY: THE NWO NEEDS YOU TO CONTINUE.
It's for your safety. See something -say something - and they'll say nothing as long as you do what you're told.

Exactly, "love your neighbor as you would love yourself" does not exclude respecting people's differences. Christ never said boo about homosexuality.

Evil, Satan-God worshipping "slave obey thy master", Romans 13 Paulinism did. Constantinianism and Paulinism are not Christianity

[America2]

Just to throw this out there too - homosexuality is NOT some "birthed gene"(or whatever you call it). The causes for this is the poisons they've put in our foods(I believe soy products), and children getting molested and raped by those of the same sex(ie-Ted Haggard). This is no different from autism and its causes(ie-vaccinations and the poisons like MSG in our foods)

As for how today's church has treated homosexuality - both the so-called "religious right" and "religious left" have done one heck of a job infiltrating churches and playing both sides of the fence. The former ala Falwell, Robertson, and Bill Bright have preached how they are cursed and finished, while the latter ala Bill Hybels and CFR Rick Warren have preached how God loves them no matter what and they can continue with their lifestyles.(BTW-both of these groups share the same goal of Dominionism) If anything, they've really leavened numerous churches over these years with their damnable heresies.

Also - what people need to realize too that alot of those in our high levels of government, in particular "conservatives" ala Ronald Reagan and others involved in Freemasonry are homosexuals themselves. So where's all the outcry from the "religious right" over this?

[Kilika]

Christ never said boo about homosexuality.

Actually Jesus did preach against it, but then gnosticism is wrong about many things including the books it supports such as the non-gospel of Thomas.

Just to throw this out there too - homosexuality is NOT some "birthed gene"(or whatever you call it). The causes for this is the poisons they've put in our foods(I believe soy products), and children getting molested and raped by those of the same sex(ie-Ted Haggard). This is no different from autism and its causes(ie-vaccinations and the poisons like MSG in our foods)

Did you really post that BA? According to scripture your wrong on both counts.

We are indeed born with the "gay gene". ALL of us are. It's called the flesh, which is corrupted. Remember the "lusts of the flesh, and lust of the eyes, and the pride of life"?

Where the gay community spin it is with the "born gay" claim, that some are born gay, while others are not born gay. That's a lie too. We are all born with sinful flesh, which is where the lusts of the flesh come from. But we all have preferences of the flesh, whether we are willing to admit it or not. It's just that some prefer to seek out preferences that are in contradiction to what's natural more than others. But sin is sin. The homosexual is no worse that the heterosexual, nor the heterosexual better than the homosexual. Once one realizes that, then they can love their "gay" neighbor by telling them the truth of the gospel. But if they reject it, it's on them, and if they continue to walk disorderly, at some point there must be a rejection of them, to not keep company with them and mark them as being contrary to scripture.

Born-again Christians are to put off the "old man" and being "renewed" in their mind start living according to what God wants and not what the flesh wants.

Chemicals in food don't make people gay! There is absolutely NO basis for that in scripture.

Now that said, I do believe what scripture says about what's clean or unclean. I believe it's about what a person believes will harm them or not, and I believe as scripture says, because they don't eat with faith. They believe chemicals will harm them, that soy makes people effiminate, etc., but regardless, what you eat won't make you gay!

The sin of homosexuality is in the flesh and guess what, we all have that corrupted flesh, so we all have gay tendencies, just like we all have theft, murder, adultry and all other sin tendencies. Jesus says if you offend in one point, your guilty of all sin, and that includes "men lying with men doing that which is unseemly".

As I posted, "walk in the spirit..."

[Overcast]

I'm going to 'step out of line' here. I'm all for bringing your Gay Teen to church.

Many 'Christians' have this zealot like concept of gays. I'm curious though... how much more sin is a 'gay person' living in than the guy who surfs porn and oogles women daily?

Or the person who drinks too much each week, or eats too much too often?
Or the spouse that's cheating?
Or the kid who's cheating on tests?
Spending too much time gambling? Gaming?

Is one 'sin' worse than the others?

But I do agree that homosexuality is ultimately a choice - but then... any sex is, isn't it?

[America2]

I'm going to 'step out of line' here. I'm all for bringing your Gay Teen to church.

Many 'Christians' have this zealot like concept of gays. I'm curious though... how much more sin is a 'gay person' living in than the guy who surfs porn and oogles women daily?

Or the person who drinks too much each week, or eats too much too often?
Or the spouse that's cheating?
Or the kid who's cheating on tests?
Spending too much time gambling? Gaming?

Is one 'sin' worse than the others?

But I do agree that homosexuality is ultimately a choice - but then... any sex is, isn't it?

Problem is these churches down there won't be preaching the true gospel - Rick Warren pulled this stunt 3 years ago, when he had a "CELEBRATE Gay Father's Day" at his church. I mean CELEBRATE?! He should have put the title "Celebrate Soddom and Gomorrah Day".

[Kilika]

I'm going to 'step out of line' here. I'm all for bringing your Gay Teen to church.

Many 'Christians' have this zealot like concept of gays. I'm curious though... how much more sin is a 'gay person' living in than the guy who surfs porn and oogles women daily?

Or the person who drinks too much each week, or eats too much too often?
Or the spouse that's cheating?
Or the kid who's cheating on tests?
Spending too much time gambling? Gaming?

Is one 'sin' worse than the others?

But I do agree that homosexuality is ultimately a choice - but then... any sex is, isn't it?

No, sin is sin, in that one violation makes one guilty of the whole law. So that all are found guilty before God. Scripture does talk of a different sin...

"If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it." 1 John 5:16 (KJB)


21   Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:  
22   But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
MAtthew 5:21,22 (KJB)


"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Matthew 12:31 (KJB)


8   Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:  
9   But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.  
10   And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.  
11   And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and [unto] magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:  
12   For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Luke 12:8-12 (KJB)

[decepticon]

I'm going to 'step out of line' here. I'm all for bringing your Gay Teen to church.

Many 'Christians' have this zealot like concept of gays. I'm curious though... how much more sin is a 'gay person' living in than the guy who surfs porn and oogles women daily?

Or the person who drinks too much each week, or eats too much too often?
Or the spouse that's cheating?
Or the kid who's cheating on tests?
Spending too much time gambling? Gaming?

Is one 'sin' worse than the others?

But I do agree that homosexuality is ultimately a choice - but then... any sex is, isn't it?

fundamental flaw in your assesment. all the things you mentioned above are sins, not lifestyle choices. after doing the things you listed above, we usually want to repent and turn from them, and feel bad. being gay is a lifelong disobedience to the will of God imo.

we don't have bring your glutton to church sunday
we don't have bring your adulterous spouse to church day
we don't have cheat on your tests sunday
and we don't have casino night on thrusdays

WE DON'T CELEBRATE SIN !!!!!!!!!

no one sin is worse than the others, they are all equal.

[Overcast]

fundamental flaw in your assesment. all the things you mentioned above are sins, not lifestyle choices. after doing the things you listed above, we usually want to repent and turn from them, and feel bad. being gay is a lifelong disobedience to the will of God imo.

we don't have bring your glutton to church sunday
we don't have bring your adulterous spouse to church day
we don't have cheat on your tests sunday
and we don't have casino night on thrusdays

WE DON'T CELEBRATE SIN !!!!!!!!!

no one sin is worse than the others, they are all equal.

Well, no - I guess I didn't read the original article - I don't condone 'celebrating' it, so I digress there.
But yes, it's all too often for many at church to eat and then whine about how full they are, lol. But yes, you are right - most don't 'celebrate' it... in that manner.

What I'm saying is that all too often, people want to demonize others for sin - but not address their own issues. And I know the bible specifically addresses that too.

Christ also said he came for the sinners - not the righteous. Shouldn't we look at it the same? 'Casting stones' at gay people while there is sin in one's own life... is hypocritical.

I'm not perfect, I do admit that. But what happens in a person's bedroom should stay there (that applies to BOTH side of this debate). Then ultimately, it's between that person and God, it is not our place to judge.

If a person of a certain sexual persuasion feels God is calling them to change - then it's a personal decision for them. Just as if I was a porn addict and was fighting it. Sure - if they ask for help, then the situation changes, of course.

As for Rick Warren... let's just say that I'm not one to pass judgment - but it would appear he's more of a politician than anything.

In the end, still - I'd rather have to tell God that I was ok with gay people attending my church than to tell him that I deemed them 'not appropriate' for church...

Many many many people go to church week after week and still continue to sin. I do, I'm not perfect.

But personally, I think Matthew 7 sums up this entire debate... in relation to Christianity, for both sides.
They are still people, and children of God. And yes, you can flame me for being pro-gay or a bible thumper, whichever you desire.

[_CREATIONIST_]

This is an absolutely DISGUSTING thread and news article. The bible is CLEAR that Homosexuality is WRONG. I dont hate homosexuals, I hate their actions. God exterminated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for their homosexuality.

[Overcast]

This is an absolutely DISGUSTING thread and news article. The bible is CLEAR that Homosexuality is WRONG. I dont hate homosexuals, I hate their actions. God exterminated the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for their homosexuality.

They have to deal with their sin with God, just as the rest of us do.

But what would God say if you wanted them out of "your" church?

Not telling anyone how to think... just a point to consider. Also consider - does God consider one man's sin worse than another? I can't answer that... just another thing to consider.

[tinfoiltruth]

All sin is equal.

Matthew 7
1    Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6    Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

[Suriel]

All sin is equal.

Matthew 7
1    Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2    For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4    Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5    Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6    Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

True except that blasphemy of the holy spirit is unforgivable.

Matthew 12:31-32 (King James Version)

 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

[Kilika]

I already posted all of that, they just refuse to acknowledge the truth.

No, sin is sin, in that one violation makes one guilty of the whole law. So that all are found guilty before God. Scripture does talk of a different sin...

"If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it." 1 John 5:16 (KJB)


21   Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:  
22   But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
MAtthew 5:21,22 (KJB)


"Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Matthew 12:31 (KJB)


8   Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God:  
9   But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God.  
10   And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.  
11   And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and [unto] magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:  
12   For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
Luke 12:8-12 (KJB)

They have to deal with their sin with God, just as the rest of us do.

But what would God say if you wanted them out of "your" church?

Not telling anyone how to think... just a point to consider. Also consider - does God consider one man's sin worse than another? I can't answer that... just another thing to consider.

I did post the answer the bible gives for that, verse by verse. Your either overlooked it or ignored it.

[lamourlady]

Well, no - I guess I didn't read the original article - I don't condone 'celebrating' it, so I digress there.
But yes, it's all too often for many at church to eat and then whine about how full they are, lol. But yes, you are right - most don't 'celebrate' it... in that manner.

What I'm saying is that all too often, people want to demonize others for sin - but not address their own issues. And I know the bible specifically addresses that too.

Christ also said he came for the sinners - not the righteous. Shouldn't we look at it the same? 'Casting stones' at gay people while there is sin in one's own life... is hypocritical.

I'm not perfect, I do admit that. But what happens in a person's bedroom should stay there (that applies to BOTH side of this debate). Then ultimately, it's between that person and God, it is not our place to judge.

If a person of a certain sexual persuasion feels God is calling them to change - then it's a personal decision for them. Just as if I was a porn addict and was fighting it. Sure - if they ask for help, then the situation changes, of course.

As for Rick Warren... let's just say that I'm not one to pass judgment - but it would appear he's more of a politician than anything.

In the end, still - I'd rather have to tell God that I was ok with gay people attending my church than to tell him that I deemed them 'not appropriate' for church...

Many many many people go to church week after week and still continue to sin. I do, I'm not perfect.

But personally, I think Matthew 7 sums up this entire debate... in relation to Christianity, for both sides.
They are still people, and children of God. And yes, you can flame me for being pro-gay or a bible thumper, whichever you desire.

I think the whole point is, if all sins are equal, why is all of the world telling gay men and women it is okay what they are doing.  Homosexuality has been re-defined as a life-style that we should all accept and celebrate.  That would be like celebrating those people who love to engage in S&M, child love, beastiality, all sexual preferences which go against the societal view, but aren't even mentioned in the Bible, yet here we have a specific sexual preference which is mentioned expressly, but is tolerated and celebrated.  Just seems a bit perplexing, no?

[Overcast]

I already posted all of that, they just refuse to acknowledge the truth.






I did post the answer the bible gives for that, verse by verse. Your either overlooked it or ignored it.

Well in the case of Blasphemy; indeed - but since that wasn't the subject of discussion.. in terms of homosexuality vs. other sin with this exception - it would seem the same to God.

And Lamour - I'm certainly not condoning any sin; just the stance that some sins are demonized by man more than others. And many are quick to 'cast the first stone'... nothing directed towards anyone here directly.

As far as Rick Warren goes... I'll just abstain from personal observations; I doubt that my opinion would differ much from anyone who has half a brain

[Djævlen]

You people are officially out of your f**king minds with this thread. I'm embarrassed to be a member here. Your stone-age,  superstitious intolerance is really sad....its beyond anger at this point; it boarders on the dangerous in a free, and open society.

I feel sorry for the cage you've built for yourself in this life....you are not truly free.

[decepticon]

You people are officially out of your f**king minds with this thread. I'm embarrassed to be a member here. Your stone-age,  superstitious intolerance is really sad....its beyond anger at this point; it boarders on the dangerous in a free, and open society.

I feel sorry for the cage you've built for yourself in this life....you are not truly free.

i'm embarrassed you are a member here too. why don't you let us have our beliefs and you have yours ? oh that's right everyone needs to be of one mind and religion in the new world order don't they.

built a cage around ourselves ? more like a fortress. and hey guess what, we like being around like minded people. you know what that's like. i guess blood orgies in the streets is what we need to be truly free though huh ? godless heathens...

[Djævlen]

i'm embarrassed you are a member here too. why don't you let us have our beliefs and you have yours ? oh that's right everyone needs to be of one mind and religion in the new world order don't they.

built a cage around ourselves ? more like a fortress. and hey guess what, we like being around like minded people. you know what that's like. i guess blood orgies in the streets is what we need to be truly free though huh ? godless heathens...

if those are your beliefs, you can shove them up your ass. Also, way to extrapolate what I said into nonsense; being tolerant DOES NOT equate to a "one world religion". moron....and call it a "fortress" if you want, you are still imprisoned.

[ringo78]

look at the words from Mr self righteous.     

[decepticon]

yeah i rebut to someone who says "i lost my mind", "in the stone age" "supersticious", "intolerant" "dangerous" "caged"...

and IIIII'M the self righteous one, LOLz

[Overcast]

yeah i rebut to someone who says "i lost my mind", "in the stone age" "supersticious", "intolerant" "dangerous" "caged"...

and IIIII'M the self righteous one, LOLz

Consider...

Examples of Shariah Law include the following: (from the authoritative source Reliance of the Traveller, The Sacred Manual of Islamic Law)

    * Requirement of women  to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms;
    * Beating of disobedient woman and girls;
    * Execution of homosexuals;
    * Engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages;
    * Requirement of the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape;
    * Stoning of adulteresses;
    * Lashing of adulterers;
    * Amputation of body for criminal offenses;
    * Female genital mutilation;
    * Capital punishment for those who slander or insult Islam;
    * Execution of apostates, or those that leave the religion of Islam
    * Inferior status for all non-Muslims, known as Dhimmitude.
    * Concept of Taquiyya: A Muslim may lie or deceive others to advance the cause of Islam.

As a Christian, I would never condone executing someone for their lifestyle. Of course, I only believe in execution when it saves lives, not even as a punishment.

[lamourlady]

if those are your beliefs, you can shove them up your ass. Also, way to extrapolate what I said into nonsense; being tolerant DOES NOT equate to a "one world religion". moron....and call it a "fortress" if you want, you are still imprisoned.

D, we know how you feel about Christianity, so you really don't need to come into every thread attacking.  Would you be as passionate for the rights of those who like to have sex with children?  Animals?  Beat each other with weapons to get off?  What if they said they were born that way?  That it is a lifestyle? Or are these sexual preferences okay as long as they are hidden in the confines of one's personal space/bedrooms?  These offences are not mentioned in the Bible, yet, homosexuality is, and that is what and why we are discussing, in the context of believing Christians, as to why the CHURCH would advocate this.  Would you agree that within the Christian belief system that all sins are equal?  Why would the church celebrate and condone something that is considered a sin?

You are entitled to your opinion, but instead of attacking based on beliefs you could discuss why within the context of the Christian belief, the church would do this.  That is the topic. 

[Kilika]

You people are officially out of your f**king minds with this thread.

  That coming from a person with a 3 Stooges avatar! What a hoot!

[decepticon]

if those are your beliefs, you can shove them up your ass. Also, way to extrapolate what I said into nonsense; being tolerant DOES NOT equate to a "one world religion". moron....

"If faith becomes a countervailing force, pulling people apart, then it becomes destructive and indeed dangerous.”

Guess who said that genius...go on guess...

TONY BLAIR

Guess what he was peddling...guess...

ONE WORLD CHURCH

you are preaching a bunch of neo ideas like "tolerance"...if only you knew what you were saying.

KNOW YOUR ENEMY

[tinfoiltruth]

"If faith becomes a countervailing force, pulling people apart, then it becomes destructive and indeed dangerous.”

Guess who said that genius...go on guess...

TONY BLAIR

Guess what he was peddling...guess...

ONE WORLD CHURCH

you are preaching a bunch of neo ideas like "tolerance"...if only you knew what you were saying.

KNOW YOUR ENEMY

EXXXXCellent