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« on: August 20, 2007, 09:25:03 PM »


THE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS OF THE COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL MASSACRE (4-20-99, Denver, Colorado, 15 dead, 24 wounded)





--Why did numerous ear-witnesses say at least one attacker was firing a fully-automatic weapon?

--Why did police concentrate on setting up a perimeter at the same time dispatch(via phone) is hearing the sound of gunshots within the school?

--Why did it take police so long to enter the school, and why did it take almost three hours for them to reach the library, the area where the shooters were last seen? Who gave the orders not to go in?

--Why did over 100 eye- and ear- witnesses dispute the official theory of only two shooters? Why did over 40 of those witnesses identify other participants BY NAME?

--If the two shooters committed suicide shortly after noon, as police claim, how come at least 35 witnesses saw or heard suspects/gunshots/explosions after that time?

--Why are there conflicting eyewitness accounts on the place and manner in which at least four of the dead victims were killed? Were victims being moved around? Was the crime scene being rearranged?

--If left-handed Klebold shot himself in the left temple, why was his suicide weapon found clutched in his right hand?

--How did students manage to keep seriously wounded teacher Dave Sanders alive for more than three hours while awaiting rescue, yet he was dead within 20 minutes of the police taking control of him? His corpse was later found with his shirt off. Is that first-aid? Or a sure-fire way of sending someone into shock?

--What was the motive? Why would two teens who were not bullied, did not hate everyone, and were not psychopathic suddenly decide to destroy the lives of a dozen fellow students and themselves just six weeks before graduation?

--Why would Harris and Klebold plan for a suicide mission and at the same time make normal plans for a post 4-20 future? Like seeking help on an English class essay from a teacher a few days before the attack, like making a date to see a movie the day after, like putting in a work schedule for the next week, like going to an out-of-town college with your dad to pick out a dorm room, like making plans to visit your old friends in New York.

--Where is the gun shot residue(GSR) test evidence for Harris and Klebold and the other suspects?

--Why was fingerprint evidence for Harris and Klebold not found on all but two of the hundreds of obects gathered at the scene? Whose fingerprints, if any, were found on the weapons seized?

--Why does the official story claim, without a shred of evidence, that it was Harris and Klebold that set the South Wadsworth diversionary bomb (an incendiary device that exploded a couple of miles away from the school at the same time the shooting started)?

--Why did authorities claim the two shotguns seized had no serial numbers when later documents clearly show they did have serial numbers? Why did they not try to find out who sold Harris and Klebold the Hi-Point 9mm rifle and the pump-action shotgun that were used in the shooting?

--Were the school administrators warned, as rumored? Who was Principle Frank DeAngelis looking for, as reported by one student who saw him running up and down the interior cafeteria stairs right before the shooting broke out?

--Why did a science teacher tell his students that they had been expecting a fire drill? Was a bomb found in a trash can on 4-19, as one source indicated? Were bomb threats phoned into the school on the morning of 4-20, as two others claimed?

--Why didn't the Final Report conclude that shooters entered Science rooms 1 and 8, when numerous shell casings were taken from these areas?

--Why didn't the Final Report mention the brief exit of a shooter on the east side, according to many eyewitnesses?

--If the person seen on the roof of the school was a repairman, as police claim, why do witnesses say he was holding a weapon? Were shell casings found there, as some said?

--Who scheduled 'crisis training' drills at Columbine High Schol(CHS) in the weeks before and what was the exact nature of this training?

--What was a Denver police officer and a JeffCo sheriff doing at CHS that morning before the shooting started?

--What does reputed video evidence from the library and admin office areas show? Why does local media refuse to release on-scene video footage from the first half-hour of the incident?

--What happened to all the evidence taken from the computers of the trenchcoat mafia gang?

--Where are dozens of missing interviews of students, especially those in the science hall? Why are there still thousands of pages of investgatory materials that have never been made public, including hundreds of reports of non-Columbine witnesses and tipsters?

--Why has the school district's own report on the shooting, which included the extensive disciplinary records of the trenchcoat mafia associates, not been made public?

--Did investigators even try to interview Harris' psychologist, the man perhaps best positioned to know his mental state at the time?

--Why did investigators show a remarkable lack of curiousity about connections with numerous similar school violence-related incidents occuring around the same time in the metro-Denver area and around the country?

--Why did LAPD and Los Angeles Sheriff's Office personnel travel to the scene afterwards? What was the subject of a 10-minute phone call made by the NYPD to the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office on 4-20?

--Who invited the FBI and the ATF to the scene?

--Why was the US Attorney's Office (federal) consulted on 'prosecutive decisions' for this local crime?

--Why was all but one of the seven 'investigatory' teams headed or co-headed by an FBI man? (the one exception was a team headed by a CBI(Colorado Bureau of Investigation) man, who was himself 'ex'-FBI) Was the entire crime scene 'federalized' soon after the shooting started, under powers granted by the 'Anti-terrorism Act' ("for the protection of the people and the state") signed by President Clinton exactly three years before- on April 20, 1996?

--Why did FBI special agent Dwayne Fusilier not recuse himself from the investigation, as his son helped make a Columbine school video two years before that eerily mimicked the shooting?

--What were two high-ranking military figures (a colonel and a general) in cami uniforms doing at the scene? Why was a memorial service at a public park afterwards ringed by military trucks? Who authorized a flyover by military jets and why?

--Why did the Federal Emergency Management Agency(FEMA) hold a four-day disaster training course 18 months before, "designed specially to adress the needs of Jefferson County," for future Sheriff John Stone and other county representatives?

--Is it just coincidence that the episode of CBS' television show "The Promised Land" that was scheduled to air that week featured a kid firing a gun in front of a Denver high school? Or that the plot of the WB's "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" for that week was a student gunman and a plot to kill every one at school? Or that MTV aired a Justice Department-produced program called "Warning Signs" about violence and its effect on young people on 4-22-99 (date was scheduled before Columbine)? Or that, before 4-20-99, the History Channel had scheduled to show a program called "Slaughter at Schools" (hosted by Mike Wallace) for May 10?

--When ABC's "20/20" news program decided to do a show about a disturbing new educational phenomenom called 'Death Education,' back in the early '90s, why did they choose Columbine High as the featured school?
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2007, 09:36:20 PM »

Why were the kids dosed with psychotropic drugs, as were almost ALL "school shooters?

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2007, 10:19:59 AM »

60 eyewitnesses can't be wrong

There is a great deal of evidence that more were involved than just Harris or Klebold. Among the best evidence are eyewitnesses who saw and recognized other participants in the crime. The below lists contains most of those who saw and were able to name other attackers at Columbine, plus a few more whose descriptions of the shooter(s) cannot possibly be either Harris or Klebold.




The following eyewitnesses identified a 'Robert' or 'Robert Perry' as one of the attackers:


1) Cyrstal Archuleta(EP1-197)
"...she did see one person throw a pipe bomb. .....She told me at the time she thought it was Robert Perry."


2) Seth Dubois(EP21-125)
"...Seth told Katherine(Carlston) that Robert Perry was seen shooting a girl in the back while leaving the library."


3) Wade Allen Frank(EP1-91)
"Mr. Frank told me that he thought origonally one of the individuals(shooting) was someone by the name of Robert..." "He stated that the person was tall, approximately 6'3" and kind of ackward(sic) and gangly."


4) Bryan Frye(EP25-69)
"He stated that the person he had previously believed this shooter to be was Robert Perry. .....In a previous interview, after receiving his yearbook, he had told his father that he believed the shooter to be Robert Perry. He also stated that the gunman had bad acne."


5) Courtney Haulman(EP25-91)
"There was three guys. The guy I remember most was the main guy. He's over 6' tall and has long curly dark-colored hair. He was wearing a trench coat. His name is Robert Perry."


6) Lacey Hohn(EP1-186)
"...can you identify or descibe who was shooting? ....Ms. Hohn said that she does not believe it was Harris or Klebold. Ms. Hohn believes it was an individual named Robert."


7) Bijen Monty(EP1-110)
"I asked her if she saw the source of the shooting. She told me she saw who she thought, at the time, was Robert Perry with a gun hanging around his neck. She said she never actually saw him shoot the weapon.

"She asked me if I had any information in regards to Robert Perry. I informed her I did not."

(20063):  "During interview with (Jennifer)Falbo, she stated a friend, Bijen Monte, told her on the night of April 20, 199, the she (Monte) was in the cafeteria by the pop machines when this event began at CHS--Monte told Falbo that she saw (Redacted) enter the cafeteria with a 'handful of things.'  He then threw these things which caused loud explosios.  Monte said (Redacted) was wearing a white t-shirt and unknown pants."
"Bijen Monte stated she was outside the commons area eating lunch.  Heard shooting and then saw (Redacted) with a gun standing over two downed male victims.  Monte picked (Redacted) from a photo lineup."


8 ) Tessa Nelson(EP1-113)
"I asked her if she saw the source of the shots. She said she saw a male, who she thought was Robert Perry, wearing boots, dark jeans with dark hair, walking down the stairs outside the cafeteria. She said the male suspect pulled a gun and started shooting."


9) Katelyn Sue Place(EP21-285)
Kate said, "It was (Redacted). I'm almost positive of it. I remember looking him dead in the eye. He was in my debate class..... . ...Dylan kind of looked like Robert, but Dylan doesn't have the long face. Robert's teeth are messed up and he was smiling and I saw his teeth then. Kate said that she has since seen pictures of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, and she said, "It's not one of them."(Referring to the person she saw shooting out on the outside commons.)

"She remembers him shooting Ann Marie(Hochalter). .... Robert was just randomly shooting. ...Robert was still shooting. ....Kate said that Robert shot Ann Marie before he smiled at Kate. ....She looked and saw Jason(Autenrieth) trying to help Ann Marie, dragging her away from Robert, to the side."


10) Lacey Smith(4470)
"On the diagram she depicts (Redacted) as walking in through the doors, past where she was sitting, and going in about as far as they north end of the school store. It was at that time she heard the windows breaking and then realized she was hearing shots.

"....she did not have any trouble indentifying PERRY when he walked past her. I asked SMITH how sure she was that the person she saw and spoke with was (Redacted). I asked, "90 percent sure? 50 percent sure?" Her response was "100 percent sure." I then showed SMITH a photo lineup which included a picture of Dylan KLEBOLD, and asked her if the person who walked past her was in the lineup. She stated he was NOT in the lineup. .....As (Redacted) passed her and was near the commons area of the cafeteria, she then explained that (Redacted) pulled a weapon out from under his trench coat and started firing into the cafeteria.


11) Brenton Hooker(16397)
"....he turned around and observed an individual he thought was ROBERT PERRY(ex-student of Columbine High School) standing outside the door just to the north of the main entrance shooting a pistol in his direction...." ....HOOKER described the individual he thought was PERRY as 6'8" - 6'11" in height, very skinny, tight black pants, black trench coat..."


12) Tyler Chenoweth(1830)
"A student named Jen Smull saw through the (science classroom)door during the incident and said that the tall suspect had curly hair and was the student who came to a Halloween party as a warlock. He thought of Robert Perry based on that description."



The following eyewitnesses identified a (Redacted) as being the shooter, with the description fitting Perry's:

13) Tiffany Lien(968 )
"Lien stated she believed gunman number one was (Redacted).... ...Lien stated that she was approximately twenty to twenty-five feet away from gunman number one and looked at him face to face for approximately 25 seconds, frozen in her tracks." Tall male had long black trench coat, black jeans, dark brown hair. His hair was kind of long and had curls. He was skinny and his shoulders kind of hunched over. ...She also stated that the gunman had bad acne.


14) Kristen Long(20245)
"Long said suspect definitely had dark hair and a large nose, thought it might be (Redacted)."


15) Rusty Shyler(5464)
"The individual was very tall. ...Shyler saw his face partially and thought based upon his dress and size that it may have been (Redacted). He was a hundred percent sure it was (Redacted). He described (Redacted) as being 6'6" to 6'7" tall and having lots of zits."


16) Chris Thierren(1207)
Saw a tall shooter with acne, large nose, shoulder-length hair. "He stated that the picture he saw was of (Redacted) and he was 'pretty sure' he was the shooter he saw that morning at CHS."


17) Erin Walton(4139)
"Erin Walton said she knew one of the shooters, and that he not one of (the) two Eric and Dylan. ...he was a senior named (Redacted). and he was very tall, had bad acne scars on his cheeks.... "



The following witnesses did not identify the shooter, but the descriptions fits Perry's:


18 ) Pat Caruso(2683 and EP17-13)
"Thought the suspect looked like a trench coat student he has seen before who had bad acne, ....curly long dark brown hair, wearing black trenchcoat.... and a tie-dyed shirt, pink or yellow."


19) Justin Norman(3929)
"Upon the hill we saw a tall guy with blond hair, acne, big nose and buck teeth.... the guy had a handgun and he shot one kid in the ankle and another who didn't move." (Note: Accoding to Norman in a later interview, this was Klebold, though the description is more indicative of Perry.)


20) Joanathan Ballard(1765)
"One of the (trenchcoated)kids(who was walking the halls during the shooting-implied to be a shooter) was about 6'5" or 6'6",.... I later saw on channel 4 or 9 news, I'm almost positive, that same man or teen, on t.v., acting all worried." (Note: this can't be Harris or Klebold, as they died in the shooting.)



Others:


21) Nathan Anema(2359)
"....Anema identified (Redacted) as possibly being the person he saw throw a pipe bomb during the shooting at Columbine High School on 4-20-99. ...Anema stated that he initially thought the person that he saw throwing the pipe bomb was (Redacted)."


22) Katie Beer(6636)
".... when the incident began at Columbine High School, she initially tried to get out of the school by going toward the main doors on the east side of the school by the administrative offices, however, she said she saw a third shooter next to these offices and that this third shooter shot out windows at that location. ...Katy Beer told him this third shooter may have been (Redacted)."


23) Jason Brehm(719)
One of the shooters had a very round face, shorter than 5'11". Not Harris or Klebold.


24) Leanne Clark(1422)
"...Clark told her that she saw who did the shooting in the cafeteria, and that Clark identified (Redacted) as a gunman."


25) John Cook(756)
A couple of weeks after the massacre, "Cook said he believed he could ID both of the suspects if he saw photos of them again." Since everybody had seen the photos of H&K in the media, and knew they had died in the incident, Cook is clearly not talking about Eric or Dylan here.


26) Frank DeAngelis, School Principle(8018 )
"I also assisted the principle of Columbine, who was having hard time giving the pictures of possible suspects to the command post and was present when he looked at and identified one of the suspects he was named.(sic) The male suspect was in the custody of, I believe, Jefferson Co. Sheriff's investigators."


27) David Eagle(1878 )
"The guy with the gun had black hair looked like it was spiked shaved on the sides.(sic) It was also blond on top. 5'9", about 18 years old.

"He has since seen pictures of Harris and Klebold on television. ...David said that the person he saw did not look like the people he's seen on television."


28 ) Ashley Egelund(22671)
"Ashley was in north corridor when she observed (Redacted) and Eric Harris coming around the corner from the library.... She said Chris Morris was armed with a handgun while Harris was armed with a shotgun.(5248 ) ....both started shooting at Ashley.... Ashley did not know (Redacted) at first but she saw his picture in the yearbook and is positive it was (Redacted).

"... No photo lineup per Investigator Battan."


29) Amy Evans(22205)
"....Amy Evans said there was a third shooter and it was (Redacted)."


30) Joel Hatfield(19277)
"Joel Hatfield interviewed 4-29-99. Saw one shooter with excellent description of dress, physical, guns and movement. Could ID in lineup if needed." Once again, this cannot be H or K, as everybody was aware that H&K were in no position to stand in a lineup!


31) Mark Hengel(5901)
"Hengel identified Klebold and (Redacted) from the photograph in the attached 1A envelope.... Also attached is a 1A envelope is a diagram of Columbine High School indicating the diection of Hengel and the two individuals dressed in black."

Apparently the interviewing officer didn't like what he was hearing, and so the interviewer ends up telling the eyewitness what he saw:

"I then advised Mark Hengel that the skinny person he saw standing and shooting was Dylan Klebold and the person he saw standing over the duffel bag was Eric Harris."


32) AnneMarie Hochalter, gunshot victim outside the cafeteria(18218 )
"Advised that Harris/Klebold did not shoot her. .... Has ID on shooters."


33) Leigh Kamens(1422)
While in the 'green room' off of the science hall, she identified (Redacted) as one of the gunmen.


34) Tim Kastle(3416)
"As far as I know the suspects are Dylan Klebold, Eric Harris, (Redacted) and I think there might have been two others."


35) Alicia Maes(3614)
"Alicia stated that when she first observed the male in the black trench coat, she thought it was a person known to her as (Redacted)."


36) Lucas Milne
"Saw (Redacted) in commons at 11am in a black trenchcoat and knows (Redacted). States that Dan Goin and Brandon Little and Bijen Monte saw (Redacted) shooting at school. Milne picked out (Redacted) in photo lineup.


37) Leiha Murphy(3828 )
In the cafeteria, notices commotion outside north-west door. "I saw a guy I recognized as (Redacted). He was running... Stair had his blond hair down. It's past his shoulders. He's about 6', tall, skinny, he was wearing a long black trench coat.... I saw nothing in his hands. He was observed a short distance from whatever was going on at the door. My thought was that (Redacted) was involved if there was a fight."

Stair named in the cafeteria map(see page 3830). Leiha also immediately picked him out of a photo lineup.

"I ask Leiha if she was certain that this individual was (Redacted). Leiha said "Oh yeah, I'm certain.... I saw his face full on. I remember seeing his face completely....(she said he stood in place for about 15 seconds)....I remember him graduating last year." She remembers him wearing 'makeup on his face and hand' and that because of that, he stood out from other students." (3836)

Also, at least four ear- witnesses heard the suspects refer to one of their number as "Joe".(Encinas, 2943, Herivel, 1927, McKenna, 3525, and Salazar, EP21-224)


38 ) Mark Opfer(1064)
"At the time, Opfer believed the taller person in the black tenchcoat who with(sic) the shooter was (Redacted)....."

(25625)
"CHS student Mark Opfer was interviewed on 4-27-99... In that interview Opfer stated that he believed (Redacted, wearing a trench coat) was standing next to a gunman and was involved in the shooting."


39) Josh Ortwein(1939)
"...Josh Ortwein witnessed the shooting and he was telling everyone he saw (Redacted) shooting a gun."


40) Bree Pasquale(18018 )
Library eyewitness, was made to beg for her life. Says the gunman lived down the street from her and played the character "Morgan" in a school play. She knew him, and he knew her. Definitely not H or K!   "...she believed the individual with the 'pipe bomb'(outside) was a former student of Columbine High School."(526)


41) Jessica Rusch(2143)
"...she identified one of the gunmen at the Columbine High School as being an individual known as (Redacted)."


42) Cara Sander(EP25-203)
Describes gunman as pudgy, overweight, very full face, thick bushy eyebrows. IDs him as (Redacted), who is heavy-set with a round face, short dark hair and dark eyebrows. A copy of the CHS yearbook page with Brian Sargent's photo is included in her interview. [John Ungerland(1701) says Brian Sargent has a round chubby face and is a big guy with bushy eyebrows. He saw him that morning at school; Sargent was wearing a short sleeve white button-up shirt-a polo type.]


43) Mindy Pollock(10009)
Sees one gunman outside west entrance, holding a gun on the fence. ...Dressed in a "white dress-type shirt", short brown hair, with a "little bit of a gut". "POLLOCK stated she recognized the lower, #1 gunman as (Redacted)."(1095)


44) Trent Karnes(912)
Says one suspect... had on a white dress shirt or a white sleeve shirt, he was holding a rifle on fence, shooting at people outside of cafeteria. [Note: Officially, both H&K were wearing T-shirts during the assault.]


45) Jen Smull(2182)
In science hall, sees Klebold and an older suspect, 25-30, blond with short, spiky, buzz-cut hair.


46) Valeen Schnurr, gunshot victim in library(18969)
"Per Valeen's mother, Shari Schnurr, Valeen possibly identified her shooter as (Redacted)."

(8798 ) "Valeen indicated she keeps seeing the face of (Redacted)"


47) Jennifer Tindall(1226)
"....insisted that neither suspect she saw was Eric Harris or Dylan Klebold. ...Tindall picked out (Redacted) photograph as possibly being the male in the black trench coat."


48 ) Adam Thompson(21039)
"....he had seen a gunman shooting inside the school. Does not think it is the same as gunmen in the media."


49) John Vandemark(2216)
In the science hall, sees older shooter with dark hair, spiky with blond tips.


50) Erin Walton(2243)
In th science hall, sees suspect with short blond hair-"like he was going bald"-older, in his 30s.


51) Emily Wyant(641)
A week after 4-20, says to the interviewing officer "...she would recognize them again if she saw them again."


52) Chris Wisher(9832)
"....he recognized one of the shooters--the other shooter was the kid wearing black that was arrested and placed in cuffs and put inside a black police car. He said that he is 100% positive that he was the male that shot at him."

(EP6-265)
"Thought he recognized Chris Morris as being one of the shooters.... ...on the west side of the cafeteria."


53)  Aaron Welsh(610)
Can ID both suspects(on 4-22).


54)  Terry Lawson(10020)
ID other than H&K.


55)  Monica Schuster(19470)
"Schuster saw gunman but did not believe it was Harris and Klebold."


56) Lisa Forgen(3005)
She  sees 2 shooters, and tells IOs that she could identify them if she had photos. Interview given days after 4-20; the implication is that they were not H&K. (2+2=4)


57)  Arthur Curtis(19444)
Saw two shooters, can ID them. (interview given on 4-28-99, the implication once again is that they were not H or K)

58 )  Kacey Ruegsegger(128 )
"Ruegsegger did not recognize the pictures of Harris and Klebold she has seen in the media as the gunmen in the library."

59)  Sean Graves(ACSO 633)
"...saw guy with coat and gun standing by (Redacted)--saw his face and he wasn't one of the suspects."

60)  (DRMN 5-14-99)
"...people have reported that they saw others carry stuff into the building."
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2007, 10:26:17 AM »

This is the first I've ever heard of Columbine being set-up. What would be the point in hitting a school?
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2007, 10:46:11 AM »

As for motive, there were several:

--impetus for more gun control(Colorado was on the verge of a liberal 'concealed carry' law at the time)

--impetus for turning our schools into something resembling medium security prisons, complete with mandatory lock-downs, pat-downs, and shake-downs

--impetus for forcing every teen to be psychllogically 'screened,' meaning being forced to consume mind-altering drugs.

--impetus for ever harsher punishments for ever minor crimes amongst the young.

--generalized terror: keep the populace off-balance with mindless acts of terror, causing ever more citizens to turn away from a world they can no longer understand.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2007, 10:51:39 AM »

I can understand the fear and drug control, but schools don't currently have pat-downs and we don't consume drugs. The drugs part they induce with going to psychologists and doctors.
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2007, 11:00:09 AM »

Actually, some schools now have things like metal-detectors on doors, random urine testing for drugs, etc.. Even if these problems don't exist, they want you to THINK they do, and hence propagate fear in the general populace.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2007, 01:11:32 PM »

 

 McDuffee's Version

TrencoatMafia member Pat McDuffee was interviewed the evening of 4-20 and he confirmed the many eyewitness accounts of more involved.   Beginning on page 10786 of the 11K there is a list of redacted names and a short synopsis of his version of their involvement in the events of that day. On pages 10784 to 10785 there is an unredacted list of 'subjects'. By matching the two in the order they were listed we come up with the following:

(Redacted)(Dutro): Helped with the planning of the attack.

Klebold(Klebold): At school with a handgun.

(Redacted)(Stair): Was at school with gun by library outside stairs. Helped plan the attack.  Has many different types of guns, sweep guns, shotguns.

(Redacted)(Phillips): Helped build the bombs, tested them at his house.

(Redacted)(Beachum): Helped build the bombs and tested them with Phillips. Was part of the planning of the attack.

("Redacted")("Eric" LNU): Part of the planning of the attack. Stored most of the weapons. He transported most of the stuff to the school for the attack. Was at school outside during the attack. Drives a WHITE FORD BRONCO parked in the lot.

Harris(Harris): Was inside of school during the attack and had many different types of guns. Had said "I will kill jocks and blow up a school."

(Redacted)(Morris): Was inside of school during the attack. Helped plan it. Wrote letters and made videos about violence.

(Redacted)(Ault): Was part of the planning for the attack. Likes guns and violent movies.

(Redacted)(Perry): Was at the school with an automatic gun downstairs by a door shooting outside. Helped with the planning of the attack.


He also told Invetigating Officers there were up to four students at both Chatfield High and Bear Creek High who were "part of the group"(and thereby implying foreknowledge on their part).

In a final interview a week later he backpedals furiously from his initial IDs.


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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2007, 01:22:28 PM »

    *  In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann, who had been taking Anafranil and Lithium, walked into a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., and began shooting. One child was killed and six wounded.

    * Later that same year, 19-year-old James Wilson went on a shooting rampage at the Greenwood, S.C., Elementary School and killed two 8-year-old girls and wounded seven others. He'd been on Xanax, Valium and five other drugs.

    * Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old of Springfield, Ore., in 1998 murdered his parents and proceeded to his high school where he went on a rampage killing two students and wounding 22 others. Kinkel had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

    * Patrick Purdy, 25, in 1989 opened fire on a school yard filled with children in Stockton, Calif. Five kids were killed and 30 wounded. He been treated with Thorazine and Amitriptyline.

    * Steve Lieth of Chelsea, Mich., in 1993 walked into a school meeting and shot and killed the school superintendent, wounding two others, while on Prozac.

    * 10-year-old Tommy Becton in 1996 grabbed his 3-year-old niece as a shield and aimed a shotgun at a sheriff's deputy who accompanied a truant officer to his Florida home. He'd been put on Prozac.

    * Michael Carneal, 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in Heath High in West Paducah, Ky. Three died and one was paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.

    * In 1998, 11-year-old Andrew Golden and 14-year-old Mitchell Johnson apparently faked a fire alarm at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Ark., and shot at students as they left the building. Four students and a teacher were killed. The boys were believed to be on Ritalin.

    * In 1999, Shawn Cooper, 15, of Notus, Idaho, took a shotgun to school and injured one student. He had been taking Ritalin.

    * April 20, 1999, Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, shot and killed 12 classmates and a teacher and wounded 24 others. Harris had been taking Luvox.

    * Todd Smith walked into as high school in Taber, Alberta, Canada in 1999 with a shotgun and killed one and injured a second student. He has been given a drug after a five-minute phone consultation with a psychiatrist.

    * Steven Abrams drove his car into a preschool playground in 1999 in Costa Mesa., Calif., killing two. He was on probation with a requirement to take Lithium.

    * In 2000, T.J. Solomon, 15, opened fire at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga., while on a mix of antidepressants. Six were wounded.

    * The same year Seth Trickey of Gibson, Okla., 13, was on a variety of prescriptions when he opened fire on his middle-school class, injuring five.

    * Elizabeth Bush, 14, was on Prozac. She shot and wounded another student at Bishop Neumann High in Williamsport, Pa.

    * Jason Hoffman, 18, in 2001 was on Effexor and Celexa, both antidepressants, when he wounded two teachers at California's Granite Hills High School.

    * In Wahluke, Wash., Cory Baadsgaard, 16, took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage in 2001. He has been taking Paxil and Effexor.

    * In Tokyo in 2001, Mamoru Takuma, 37, went into a second-grade classroom and started stabbing students. He killed eight. He had taken 10 times his normal dosage of an antidepressant.

    * Duane Morrison, 53, shot and killed a girl at Platte Canyon High School in Colorado in 2006. Antidepressants later were found in his vehicle.

    * In 2005, 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota was under the influence of the antidepressant Prozac when he shot and killed nine people and wounding five before committing suicide.

Another case involving a school-age youth – although not at a school – happened in 1986, when 14-year-old Rod Mathews of Canton, Mass., beat a classmate to death with a baseball bat while on Ritalin.

And just a few among the dozens of incidents cited, but not apparently related to schools:

    * William Cruse in 1987 was charged with killing six people in Palm Bay, Fla., after taking psychiatric drugs for "several years."

    * The same year, Bartley James Dobben killed his two young sons by throwing them into a 1,300-degree foundry ladle. He been on a "regimen" of psychiatric drugs.

    * Joseph T. WesBecker, 47, just a month after he began taking Prozac, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Ky., killing nine. Eli Lilly, which makes Prozac, later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.

    * In 1991, 61-year-old Barbara Mortenson, on Prozac for two weeks, "cannibalized her 87-year-old mother …"

    * In 1992, Lynnwood Drake III, shot and killed six in San Luis Obispo and Morro Bay. Prozac and Valium were found in his system.

    * Sixteen-year-old Victor Brancaccio attacked and killed an 81-year-old woman, covered her corpse with red spray-paint. He was two months into a Zoloft regimen.

    * While on four medications including Prozac, Dr. Debora Green in 1995 set her Prairie Village, Mo., home on fire, killing her children, ages 6 and 13.

    * Kurt Danysh, 18, shot and killed his father in 1996, 17 days after his first dose of Prozac. "I didn't realize I did it until after it was done. … This might sound weird, but it felt like I had no control of what I was doing, like I was left there just holding a gun."

    * In 1998, GlaxoSmithKline, maker of Paxil, was ordered to pay $6.4 million to surviving family members after Donald Schnell, 60, just 48 hours after taking Paxil, flew into a rage and killed his wife, daughter and granddaughter.
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2007, 11:29:12 PM »

 London nail-bomb attacks linked to Columbine?



Beginning on April 17, 1999, and continuing for two weekends thereafter, London, England was racked by the explosion of nail-bomb attacks in two minority neighborhoods and in a gay bar(3 dead, many injured). Police initially said a group known as the "White Wolves" were responsible, based on numerous letters that were sent to prospective targets around the same time and claims for responsibility by that and three other groups. The note read in part:

"When the clocks strike midnight on the 31st of December 1999 the White Wolves will begin to howl and when the Wolves begin to howl the Wolves begin to hunt. You have been warned. Hail Britannia."

Police announced they were looking for one Del O'Connor, 39, alleged neo-nazi leader of the White Wolves, which was itself an offshoot of a group called Combat18(1 and 8 being the numerical equivalent of A and H, meaning Adolph Hitler).       

Later police would say he was in the US at the time, and it is known that he spent two weeks with a group known as the "Hammerskins" in Dallas in November of '98.[or maybe he was there for a year--he was arrested when he returned to England in June] Sources at the time hinted at a US connection:

"Whoever is responsible appears to have been strongly influenced by pre-millennial philosophies and tactics emanating from extremist groups in (the)US."

"Detectives told the media that they suspected the group or individual behind the London bombs had received help from an international source."

So who are these 'hammerskins'?

"The Hammerskins first appeared in the late 1980’s as the Dallas-based Confederate Hammerskins and quickly spread across the country. Soon, other groups began adopting the Hammerskin philosophy: the Northern Hammerskins in the Great Lakes region, the Eastern Hammerskins in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, and the Western Hammerskins in Arizona and California. By 1989, the Hammerskin Nation (HN) emerged as the unifying federation for these different groups. By the Mid-1990’s the Hammerskin Nation went global, with chapters in Australia, Canada, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Great Britain, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Poland, Serbia, Slovenia and Russia. "

Were there Hammerskins in the Denver area? Yes, according to one independant reporter, who tied them to the TrenchCoat Mafia:

From www.etext.org/Zines/ASCII/ATI/ati176.txt

"....And Now, an update from Wednesday...Colorado - The Phollowing...
------I might have just confirmed that some of the members of TCM are also western hammerskins. Plus, guess what? When police finally did roll in, there were in fact 4 trenchcoats lying on the floor!
------I spoke with members of the TrenchcoatMafia in more than a dozen towns in this country, and also Western Skins in a few. The Western Branch of the Hammerskins are definitely in Denver heavy, and there headquartered; however I was wrong, thank god. They had nothing to do with the killings this past week in a public school in Columbine, Colorado. Although three of the nine people who planned Tuesday's placing of pipebombs and murderous gunfire were in fact, members of TCM; TrenchCoatMafia organization itself had little or nothing to do with the conspiracy to commit chaos. The four empty trench-coats remain a partially unconfirmed story. I have confirmed two missing suspects with a handful of credible sources, but I was a little carried away when one White-Pride member I interviewed told me it was not two, but four empty trenchcoats on the floor. He seemed credible. He remains my only source on that."

Although this source says neither of these two groups, as organizations, were involved, he does seem to imply a connection. One is reminded of TCM leader Chris Morris' boast that the TCM was a 'national organization', and that he had attended a national meeting of the group. Plus, what about that claim that the plans for attacking the school were delayed for one day to have it coincide with Hitler's birthday? According to the FBI report:

"...the weapons came from a local militia in the area,....The reason it happened on 4-20 is because they got all the guns and ammo and explosive compounds for free to do it on that date."(unknown source, page 83)

And its posssible they may have been communicating via internet, just as the TCM may have been communication with other trenchcoat groups around the country:

"Terrorism expert David Capitanchik, of Aberdeen University, said the use of coded messages on the Internet by right-wing groups and individuals added to the problem facing police. "What is a puzzle to me is the timing - I'm not sure why it's happening now. ....."I think there's a sort of link with the shootings in Denver, in that individuals and small groups of people with the same sort of ideas, probably across the world, get on to Internet sites and access the same material, and encourage each other."

Admitedly, this is a pretty thin thread upon which to base a connection, but there were other hints:

--the 'white wolves' claimed credit for the London bombs. "White Wolf, Inc." of Augusta, GA are producers of the LARP game "Vampire, the Masquerade" which I strongly suspect some of the TrenchCoat Mafia were were playing, including Harris and Klebold. As one author said:

"By chance does the name of the company - which supplies all the information one might want on how to kill and assassinate and suggestions on scenarios for acts of terror for role-players and LARP:ers - coincide with the Nazi splintergroup White Wolves. By chance, role-players have for a long time carefully studied the theory on how to execute or injure people with e.g. the type of bombs used in London: "It's desirable to create shrapnel if one is aiming for injuring people.Shrapnel is very easy to create but there is relatively few terrorist bombs that has that function. The easiest way to do this is to place small pieces of metal, nails, pellets or suchlike on the surface of the bomb." (the gaming magazine Gryning 2/93/excerpt form the book "De övergivnas armé") By chance, role-players, LARP:ers and terrorists live in the same context with combat, terror and white wolves. Where do they get everything from?"

--just like the Columbine surveillance tapes had to be sent to Washington for 'enhancement', a video tape used to catch the London bomber was sent to the US for enhancement(though it was NASA, not the FBI). Also, Prime Minister Tony Blair was in Washington at the time for the anniversary summit meeting of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (some witnesses say they saw vehicles and shields emblazoned with the letters "NATO" during the Columbine response).

--though British police initially said it was a conspiracy, they later blamed a 'lone nut' with no clear motive:

"Police charge engineer David Copeland, 22, with murder and three counts of causing an explosion. Just hours after Copeland’s arrest, the police were confidently asserting that Copeland was acting alone and had no connections with any nazi organisations. “It is understood he was acting alone for his own motives,” David Veness, Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, told journalists. Copeland’s lawyers argued that he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia that compelled him to carry out the bombings. A succession of eminent doctors told the court how Copeland was suffering from “grandiose religious delusions” that made him believe he was acting on God’s orders and would be rewarded for his work by being lifted up into “Rapture” at the time of “Armageddon”.  (uh oh, can you say mind control?)

--just like Columbine, there was a political impetus as a result of the crime:

"But though new laws are to be introduced later this year to target violent right-wing organisations, the Government will stop short of outlawing them, fearing that such action would serve only to drive them further underground. Jack Straw, the Home Secretary, will replace the current Prevention of Terrorism Act with much broader proposals which, it is hoped, will dismantle their organisational and fundraising abilities. The new Prevention of Terrorism Bill will, for the first time, include religious and ideological as well as political motives. Right-wing, extremist animal rights groups and religious cults that use violence to pursue their goals are also to be targeted."        (Can you say 'Patriot Act'?)






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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2007, 10:35:18 PM »


"We can't be that stupid to think it was just these two kids....two adults couldn't have done this."
-Christian LaPlante(Jennifer's dad), quoted in Extra Daily News.com 4-23-99

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How many shooters were there?  Besides the many eyewitnesses who identified or described other shooters others clearly saw more than two shooters on scene:




Channel 7 News at 12pm(noon) on 4-20, EP 21-244
"Reporter said that numerous witnesses he spoke to who were not named said they saw 3 gunmen."

Joe Marshall(5735)
Ramona Lee Madden says he observed 3 kids with guns.

ACSO Nelson(8810)
"... a list of 3 names that the 12 witnesses ID'd from a yearbook were turned over to ACSO investigators to foreward."

Jon Curtis, janitor(2286)
Saw 2 to 4 attackers, describes 3 of them.

Eric Campbell(732)
Walked out of school at 11:20am on 4-20 and saw Harris in the parking lot with 2 or 3 other guys, wearing a white T-shirt and a backward baseball cap.

Matt Katzenmeier(5745)
Saw 4 subjects carrying bags in, according to Darlene Mesch.

Alicia Maes(22755)
Saw 4 people with trenchcoats and guns, according to Rachel Nelson. Not mentioned in Maes' 11k interview.

Transcript of ASCO dispatch tapes (ACSO docs)
"Adam21:  OK I had a witness posssible witness(sic) down here advise that he saw 4 suspects with long trench coats get out of a maroon vehicle on the back side of the school earlier.
"Car 3:  OK do you still have him down there? 
"Adam21:  He was a minister.  I got his name and he went to Leawood Elementary school to see if he could be of some assistance with the parents."

Trista Fogerty(23144)
"Trista said she believes, as do most other students, that there were more than 4 people involved in shooting."

Natalie Baker(2583)
Told her mother there were 2 other shooters besides Harris and Klebold(H&K). (2+2=4)

Jennifer Tyndall(1226)
Sees 2 suspects, neither of which is H&K. (2+2=4)

Ryan Ezzie(2967)
Saw 4 people outside with hats on backwards. On 20612, he says he "...saw at least 4 parties dressed in black standing calmly when others were running."(by the school library)

Jordan Grimm(22432)
According to Jordan's aunt, he saw H&K and 2 others together ouside school just before the incident began. Not mentioned in Grimm's own 11k interview(5760).

DPD dispatch log(9219)
"Male called from Canada and was talking with female student at Columbine and she told him there are 4 suspects not 2 but no further information."

John Spahlinger(1176)
Clement Park maintenance worker, "a majority of the students Spahlinger helped informed him there had been a trench coat mafia gang shooting over at the high school and that there were 4 shooters involved." Follow-up interview says "Spahlinger stated he had no further info to report and that he did not know where someone got that he had(sic) witnessed 5 individuals exit a black vehicle while working in the park."

Camille Campbell(7446)
Denies having CHS friends who told her about 4 shooters, 2 of whom discarded their trenchcoats and fled into the crowd.

Thornton/NorthglennPD SWAT Team, EP 9-34
At 11:35pm on 4-20 the team enters CHS for another search. "We were advised that 2 suspects(shooters) might still be in the school." (2+2=4)

Littleton PO Mike Eyman(8670)
Advised that "there were possibly 4 suspects in the school."

Dustin Gorton(10743)
"He named 2 other individuals he believed to be involved as Nathan Dykeman, Chris Morris." (2+2=4)

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"Daphne Baca had listed 4 names of possible suspects. Those names included Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Chris Morris, and Robert Perry."

Kristen Schoenhoff(4321)
While being driven out of the senior lot, she hears fireworks outside. She turns around and sees 3 males at the top of the stairs. None of them are H&K. (3+2=5)

J. Adams(7422)
Construction worker near CHS; he refers to a black BMW and a small tan car drive down his cul-de-sac, followed five minutes later by the sound of bombs. A co-worker says the BMW was filled with 4 teenagers, the tan car which followed it had 2 people in it(7430).

Mr. Talocco(8876)
He says that the school roof repairman saw 3 people exit vehicle with H&K. Tan vehicle followed them into the lot. The repaiman(Clarke) denies it.

Dick Strange(1194)
"It was at approximately 11:45am(??) that Strange first observed 4 to 5 individuals, all dressed in black trench coats, standing alongside CHS in the vicinity of the gymnasium."

(UFN) Vassar(4691)
Sees 4-5 individuals at 11:15am dressed in black walk away from the school, all wearing trench coats, except one, who was wearing cami pants.

Seth Biggi(2475)
Was told by Courtney Shakowski she saw 4 to 5 TCMers enter cafeteria with a big, black duffel bag. Shakowski's interview itself(1157) only refers to 5 possible suspects in the parking lot.

Devon Adams(10614)
Names 3 (Redacted) names as being directly involved in the Columbine shooting--they are not H&K. (3+2=5)

Boulder PD SWAT Timeline(8245)
2130 hours: "2 suspects believed dead inside, 1 arrest, 1-2 other supects/associates."

Pat McDuffy(10786)
A member of the TCM names 5 people in the attack group. Says another 5 helped plan the attack and helped provide guns and bombs.

Barbara Karnkusis(7523)
At about 7:30am on 4-20 she saw a group of 5 to 6 people, dressed in black, standing at the corner of Pierce and the first street south of the school. One of them looked older, in his mid 20s with short blond hair. Two of them sitting on a large black backpack.

Nick Buhrer(2583)
Was told by Sean Graves in a hospital visit that he saw 5 or 6 people throwing 'devices' in the cafeteria.

Melissa Chavez(9023)
Met H&K and 4 other boys at the mall. They showed her a map of where they would bomb the school. (2+4=6)

Tim Kastle(3416)
Tells IOs of 5 suspects.

Rusty Schyler(4463)
According to Lacey Smith, he told her that he had seen 6 shooters.

Pam Wood(8902)
Got call at work in Pennys at South West Plaza from students trapped in school. One saw 6 trenchcoats and that all were shooting handguns.

Amy Terry(2207)
Was told by friend Elisha Encinias that she was in the commons when trench coaters(2 or more presumably) with masks on came in shooting. Running upstairs, she sees 4 people in trenchcoats coming in through the glass doors at the west end of the main hallway.(2+4=6)

Bryan Frye(806)
Told the IOs that while crawling past the admin office(where he had just heard gunshots), he saw 5 or 6 persons all dressed in black.

LFD Capt. Mike Gorman,. EP 1-335
"Capt. Gorman told me the only information was that there were 5 to 6 shooters from the Trench Coat Mafia."

JCSO Kevin Walker, EP 1-223
"Dep. Walker related the communications center advised there were approximately 6 gunmen, dressed in black."

JCSO Vincent DiManna, EP 1-363
At 11:35, JeffCo. Lt. Manwaring "advised him there were as many as 7 gunmen inside the cafeteria and commons area."

CBSNews.com, 4-19-2001
"They(the cops) believed that they really had 6 to 8 armed individuals inside there."

Joe Schallmoser, R-1 Security(17421)
Dakota Ridge High students Jordana Spaven and Val Halle "are friends of Eric Harris.  They know that eight(8 ) individuals were involved and that there will be another incident."

Eric Campbell(732)
Says fellow student Jessica Cave(1820) says she saw 10 shooters at the school(Jessica herself was not interviewed).

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 07:24:30 PM »

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were part of MKULTRA.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2007, 06:24:46 PM »

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were part of MKULTRA.

One thing's for sure. Eric Harris definitely was, which would indicate Klebold was as well.

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The Plattsburgh Press-Republican reports that Eric Harris lived on the U.S. Air Force base in Plattsburgh for most of 1993 to 1996. There he played Little League baseball, went to birthday parties, fit in well at Stafford Middle School and was part of the school crowd.

http://web.dailycamera.com/shooting/22killerbios.html

This was the article which I got totally flamed out for posting at CRTF. Mainly because it says that he had been in Plattsburgh all the way to 1996, which is well after it's 94-95 closing.

NewsHawk allegedly interviewed Harris' friends in Plattsburgh who said he was repeatedly drugged in Plattsburgh Air Force Base.

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Columbine Massacre & Coverup Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999
23:49:23 -0600

Organization: EAGLES NEST HOLDINGS All facts appear to be absolutely correct. Not only was there a Major general at the scene, QUICKLY, but there where CIA, NSA, MI6, NATO and of course the Federal Bureau of Incompetence. Consider these points:

(1) I'm not convinced the two boys where the shooters, or the only shooters. Many of the statements taken from other students state that they DID NOT recognize the (shooters)! (2) Why are the STUDENTS who witnessed the shootings talking about grenades, not Pipe Bombs? Because pipe bombs where not used! And it was NOT the two students using them, but black clothed terrorists from the ATF. (3) They DID NOT commit sucicide. I believe, based on evidence I've seen, that they where executed at the end of the shooting spree by another operative. (4) The ATF where OBSERVED planting two of the 30 lb. bombs found, by Jefferson County Sheriff's deputies (a SGT. and a Captain) who are scared witless by what they saw. And they WILL NOT come out and talk about it. (5) Why where FBI, ATF, CIA, NSA and NATO spooks on the scene at Columbine literally within minutes of the (beginning of) shootings? BECAUSE they knew about it before hand and where prepared and ready to go, parked only a mile or two away. (6) Not one so-called law enforcement official entered the school during the shooting. Instead, they cowered outside behind fire engines like the compromised cowards and traitors that they really are. Not ONE round was fired by a Law Enforcement official. (7) In conjunction with item 6, WHY where Law Enforcement officials ORDERED, by FBI and ATF officers-in-charge, to NOT enter the building until AFTER the shooting stopped?

The before mentioned facts have been testified to by many people onsite - among them Law Enforcement officials, reporters and concerned citizens.
Whom are ALL being completely ignored? As I've told you previously, I spent the day at Columbine, on the day following the shooting, walking through the school as well. The scene was horrific, and the affect was one of a very calculated, scripted event. Just like Oklahoma City. There is absolutely no doubt that this was a CIA/NSA/MI6/FBI operation. Through and through.
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We have focused often on the general subject of mass shooting incidents; and in particular, has published some of the most thorough investigative analyses currently available on the Columbine High School massacre.

Due to information obtained from first-hand eyewitnesses by means of personal interviews and other communications, as well as reams of other information, evidence and testimony from a truly broad spectrum of different and RELIABLE sources, it has been clear to us and many others from the initial stages of the Columbine horror that there was MUCH more to the story than what the general public was being led--and force-fed--to believe.

This massive quantity of high-quality
information--MUCH of it FIRST-HAND,
eyewitness testimony--overwhelmingly proves certain points.

Perhaps the single most-crucial of such is simply
this: there is NO DOUBT
that OTHER GUNMEN besides Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were also perpetrators of the slaughter. No doubt whatsoever.
(In fact there seems
to be a scarcity of irrefutable HARD evidence and EYEWITNESS testimony that Harris and Klebold were in fact DEFINITELY
INVOLVED!) This is shown,
for example, in statements made by eyewitness/victim Columbine teacher Patti Nielson, who was shot UPSTAIRS by an gunman who was neither Harris OR Klebold at the school's NORTH end at the EXACT same time other MASKED gunmen DOWNSTAIRS invaded the school from the SOUTH end. Literally HUNDREDS of other witnesses at the school clearly witnessed a NUMBER of additional gunmen. Those unaware of the tonnage of material supporting such an assessment can refer to NewsHawk's Columbine articles still (we
hope) posted at -- www.egroups.com/list/news/. Other more speculative issues such as what forces implemented the atrocity and for what purposes can be set aside for now.

In the latest of an ongoing string of such comments throughout the intervening months since the brutal nightmare took place at Columbine High, Jefferson County, Colo.'s chief sheriff John Stone AGAIN reiterated his long-held belief that others were certainly involved in the shooting rampage on April 20.

The Rocky Mountain News quoted Chief Stone as telling Associated Press on Monday, "I've never thought it was just two because of the amount of stuff that was brought in, but we don't have enough to charge anyone (else)."

More significantly, we have just received some further corroboration of several crucial points regarding the mayhem and murder at Columbine.

A student eyewitness informs us that they were shot at DIRECTLY in the school's lower level during the first stages of the assault.

This witness did themselves clearly see THREE GUNMEN in the cafeteria area.

At least ONE of these gunmen, dressed in black, DID have a MASK on.

This individual was able to in fact exit the school early on during the unfolding horror.

* Several students replied to questions about pipe bombs with the following; "pipe bombs......what pipe bombs? We
saw grenades!

* 72 9mm shell casings where located in places the two shooters where never at.

* Teacher P. Nieson, and two female students where shot at at 11:20 A.M., one minute before the two boys
entered the school at 11:21 A.M., some 20-30 yards away, and opened fire at 11:26. This individual was
tall and lanky, wearing a black jumpsuit as the ATF agents where accustomed to wearing, carrying a 9mm MP,
grinning manically. Nieson was grazed in the back as she and the two students dove headfirst back into a
Chemistry Lab.


They made note of yet ANOTHER highly significant fact. They thought it was strange that the glass doors at the front end of the school had ALREADY been shot out as a group of students made their way out of the school building, even though they had left the (other) gunmen behind them and could still hear them laughing in the distance. As the group of at least THREE gunmen was still BEHIND this exiting group of students, HOW and WHEN did the glass doors in FRONT of the students get shot out?
Clearly this would have occurred when teacher Patti Neilson, student Brian Anderson and others were shot at by what would in fact have to be a "FOURTH" gunman and perhaps still other gunmen at this end of the school, as noted above regarding Nielson's published testimony.

Furthermore, this student witness, after exiting the school and vacating school property, ran RIGHT PAST some unidentified federal law enforcement personnel already on the scene and was NOT intercepted or communicated with in ANY WAY by said personnel!

What questions does THIS fact immediately raise and what does this tell us? It raises the obvious question of how many other people--perhaps PERPETRATORS in the slaughter--were allowed to get away from the scene by fed law enforcement. It TELLS US that said federales were COMPLICIT in the horrendous, brutal slaughter that day--or else they are incompetent morons.

This recent information tears yet more massive holes in the tattered and torn remnants of the official, "swiss-cheese' fable about what happened at Columbine High School on April 20.

In fact, there really no longer IS any viable, credible official version whatsoever of the Columbine events at this point.

Plattsburgh Uncovered
Air Force DEEPLY Involved in Mind Control Projects According to Eric Harris's Air Force "Controller" AND Harris Himself

Two of these recent communications to us in fact pinpoint a particular Air Force base which has ALREADY been heavily "outed"
by us in our
articles ("The Rocky Mountain Horror Show" and "Putting the Columbine Puzzle Together") on the Columbine High School massacre on April 20 .
This corroborates information from other widely divergent sources regarding bizarre covert activities at this location.

The location we refer to is PLATTSBURGH AIR FORCE BASE in northeastern New York State, roughly 80 miles south of the Canadian border. Beneath the Plattsburgh base is a VAST, 18-level deep subterranean facility.

Eric Harris, whose father has been linked to covert AF intelligence projects going back nearly 20 years, lived with his family at Plattsburgh AFB for over 4 years right before moving to Littleton.

We have previously received confirmation on the Plattsburgh base as
(being) a location for severe, horrendous, outrageous and scientifically very advanced mind/consciousness-manipulation technologies and projects from a wide variety of sources: from other victims and from those who were in the employ of project operators.

Plattsburgh AFB was by some reports linked in the 1960s the horrendous known Nazi-lover Ewen Cameron, president of the American Psychiatric Association, The Canadian Psychiatric Association AND the World Psychiatric Association, and Cameron's massive abuses in the CIA-contracted MK-Ultra (drug and
neuro-electrically-based) mind-control
project just over the border in Montreal. Firsthand accounts indicate that this legacy continued at Plattsburgh through the 1970s and beyond to present times with electromagnetic/radio-frequency and drug-based mind control activities tied to some of the experimentation at Montauk.

As noted in earlier reports this Air force installation SUPPOSEDLY "officially" closed in 1994.

However, thoroughly credible testimony from many sources provides clear proof the base remains quite active years after its "official" closure.
Local residents and other firsthand eyewitnesses report that the base, though somewhat deserted, is currently in some level of operation even on the "surface," AND EM/RF signal detection equipment verified that top-secret operations currently ongoing in the documented 18-level underground complex BENEATH the base. Aside from mind control related operations, signal detection equipment proves the Plattsburgh base is a site of particle accelerator/beam research and experimentation.

ALL legitimate funding for any activity at the base--even so much as turning a doorknob--ended completely early in 1995.
The only activities
taking place on base property after this date would by their very definition be covert, totally classified, restricted-access operations of whatever sort; operations which CLEARLY depend upon illegitimate, unofficial, clandestine funding for their very existence. Wayne Harris (AND his family) stayed on in Plattsburgh long AFTER the base was officially shuttered.

One of those who has just contacted us about Plattsburgh AFB and the mind-control programs in operation there is a scientist/researcher who was until VERY RECENTLY directly involved in a number of these terrible and inhuman activities. This person has to some degree gotten a conscience about his participation.

This person was in fact personally involved in one major aspect of the programming and training activities which ERIC HARRIS HIMSELF was subjected to at Plattsburgh.

He has informed us that Eric was one of scores of children injected with mind-altering drugs and chemicals on a REGULAR and extensive basis; that his physiological and psychological responses to these various chemicals were continually monitored and tabulated until the "perfect" combination of substances was found which synergized most effectively with the OTHER mind control technologies and programming Harris was subjected to.

He has informed us that Harris and many others were victimized by a particularly SATANIC offshoot of the MK-Ultra/Montauk operations centered at Plattsburgh AFB; which in fact heavily utilized satanic and cultic ritualism, symbolism, satanic psychosexual abuse and the like in molding such "products" as Harris. Extremely racist, Neo-Nazi indoctrination was/is part of this particular brand of programming.
These "Montauk boys"
are known to make a large percentage of the Goth/Trenchcoat Mafia/skinhead subculture--ESPECIALLY in the Denver area and the closely-linked Dallas-Fort Worth-east Texas region as well as around Montauk and upstate New York, and also Atlanta.

This contact further informed us that Harris's group were in fact "chemical" "Manchurians": that is, of the wide variety of mind-control techniques and tactics used by these Nazi rodents, Harris and others were primarily but not ONLY subjected to drug/chemical mind alteration/manipulation. (This fact makes the ongoing spraying by the Air Force of North America with unknown chemical substances all the more sinister. This crap is very likely AFFECTING OUR
MINDS!) Also utilized
extensively in turning Harris into a Manchurian killer were hypnotic trance induction and EM/RF systems.

This unfortunate human being had his entire life, his youth, his mind and his SOUL utterly invaded, mangled and brutalized beyond ALL RECOGNITION, then reconstructed by these godless Nazi demons from the depths of hell itself. This BOY was TURNED INTO A KILLER by this wretched, horrid, psychotic fascist filth before he ever had a chance for a life.

Further confirmation of this exact state of affairs came from the mouth of Eric Harris himself! A News representative did some nosing around in Plattsburgh and located someone who had been friendly with Harris right before the family moved to Littleton. Harris had confided to this boy that he couldn't wait to leave Plattsburgh-- he said he hated the place--BECAUSE OF THE CONSTANT, BIZARRE EXPERIMENTATION he was subjected to there. Harris in fact referred to the exact activities cited by the informant who contacted us, involving CONSTANT chemical drug mind manipulation. Harris was WELL AWARE--at least to some extent--what in fact was being done to him and he DETESTED IT!

Most unfortunately, things did not get better for Eric Harris after moving to Littleton--located within hailing distance of what is probably the PRIMARY New World Order power base and nerve center in the entire North American continent DENVER, Colorado. This poor kid was less than TEN years old where his family first got to Plattsburgh and the ongoing brutalization began. The additional horror is that he KNEW what was being done to him and was POWERLESS to stop it! A BOY! A defenseless boy!

THIS is what the New World Order has in store for ALL of us and for all our children.

What's more, implicated here WITHOUT ANY DOUBT in the "procurement" and psychological devastation of Eric Harris is the boy's father, Air Force spook Wayne Harris. (Wayne Harris has already been exposed as having been well involved with the manufacture and testing of various explosive materials with his son AND as having had significant input to Eric's website and Internet activities. This miserable worm willingly and knowingly gave his son over to these satanic spook slugs for their horrifying projects. He literally SACRIFICED HIS SON to the devil. WE find indications of similar complicity on the part Air Force parents in the current situation involving the L.A. "Jewish Center" shooter Buford Furrow, and the Atlanta-area mass murderer Mark Barton. As well, Atlanta
(Conyers) SCHOOL shooter T.J. Solomon (who hears mechanized, robotic mental commands to kill) spent a number of vacations in close proximity to Plattsburgh AFB.

One more quite interesting note in closing. Eric Harris, based on his own personal and direct knowledge of such through his exposure to the shadowy realms of covert government projects, repeatedly spoke to this buddy in Plattsburgh of the impending "takeover" of our democratic republic by the global forces of darkness, oppression and enslavement.

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2007, 01:56:24 PM »

RING AROUND COLUMBINE(abridged version)





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4--16-99
Shawn Cooper, 16,  Notus, Idaho, 
He rode the bus to school with a shotgun wrapped in a blanket. He pointed the gun at a secretary and students, then shot twice into a door and at the floor.

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4-17-99
"West Metro Fire Investigator Dave Green advised Pomona High School(same school district as Columbine) students (Redacted) and (Redacted) arrested on April 17, 1999 with explosives. Also within past month (Redacted) contacted in early AM hours at Pomona High School in fatigues. Claimed to be on maneuvers..... There is no connection with this investigation."

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4-19-99
There was a probable planned attack with many similarities to Columbine in far-off Evans High School in Georgia. The Columbia County Seriff's Department in Appling, Georgia questioned two students on April 19, 1999(the day before Columbine) regarding death threats they reportedly had made at Evans High. Police seized guns at both boys homes.  They wore trench coats over their all-black outfits with combat boots.
The Georgia authorities said there was no connection to the events in Colorado, which was "contrary to many news reports... that are currently circulating throughout the region." Early local media reports, however, said the two groups were in internet contact or were visiting the same web site.


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4-19-99
Employee at Stein Elementary School(near Columbine) got voice mail message on 4-19 that she saved for the cops:
"Yes, I'm one of the trench coat robbers, so you idiots and(sic) if you don't give up $10million we're going to kill everybody in the school. You have my warning."
The Stein Elementary Security Office says "It is believed to be young children."


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7:30am on 4-20-99
Bomb found at Highlands Ranch High School(neighboring Douglas County)

"The sheriff's office also made two arrests in connection with a bomb hoax April 20 at Highlands Park Ranch School. 
"One teen is a student at the high school and the other is a former classmate....
"The bomb was not real" Deputy Kim Stuckenschneider of the sheriff's office said. "It just happened at the wrong time. That had absolutely no connection whatsoever with Columbine. It's just a rumor."

Cops said it was a "hoax".


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11:15am on 4-20
Columbine Massacre Begins

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At 1:30pm on 4-20
A gun with ammo is found in the trunk of a student's car at Kiowa High School(Denver metro area). The owner, 17, tried to run away. Cops also said he may have threatened others, and that he vowed revenge.

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8:50pm on 4-20
A theft of four handguns occurs from the Jumbo Sports Store in the town of Lone Tree in Douglas County using smash-and-grab techniques. Arrested later was an 18yr old ex-Columbine student and another 17 year old.  Four handguns were recovered.
"...the suspects do live in the area and have ties to Columbine High School" according to the Douglas County Sheriff's spokesperson.

Cops implied it was a "hoax".

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4-21-99
In Colorado Springs(70 miles south of Denver), four teenagers dressed "as gothics in black trench coats and masks were charged with trespassing after a disturbance wedesday afternoon at Coronado High School." Another report had them armed with 'firecrackers.'

Cops said it was a "hoax".

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4-21-99
 Shutdown of Kennedy High
Students said there will be an incident at Kennedy High on 4-21-99.
"A 'potential link' to students responsible for the massacre at Columbine High School triggered the shutdown Wedesday(4-21) of Denver's Kennedy High School .... the boundaries of the two schools are adjacent.... "

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4-22-99
Manchester High School , Chesterfield, VA
Two students, ages 14 and 15, were charged with conspiracy offenses in an alleged scheme to manufacture explosive devices and detonate them inside the 2,400-student school with the intent "to kill more than one person."
The two teens charged were making plans to manufacture bombs long before the Littleton massacre.

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4-22-99
R.E. Lee High School, Staunton, Virginia
Police arrested a 14-year-old high school student Thursday on a bomb-making charge after a tipster alerted them to an apparent parallel with the deadly Colorado school shooting.  He was arrested after a home search turned up a pipe bomb and a floor plan for the school.

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4-23-99
Bellaire High School, Bellaire, Michigan
Police are investigating threats against students at Bellaire High School by students referred to as the Trench Coat Mafia prior to last week's massacre in Littleton, Colo..
Police hope to determine if the alleged group in Bellaire had contact via computers with the Littleton group.

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4-23-99
Danforth Junior High School,  Wimberly, TX
Five 14-year-old boys were arrested on charges of planning an attack on Danforth Junior High School in Wimberley. They had planned the assault well before the massacre at Columbine.   "Based on the statements given, it is clear that these young men were serious about targeting fellow students and teachers.''


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4-22-99
"Two 16-year old males were arrested for making bomb threats to Douglas County High School in Castle Rock(Colorado), according to county officials. They claimed to be members of the Trench Coat Mafia, officials said.""They were charged with making false reports of explosives and conspiracy, which are both felonies...."

The police said it was a hoax.

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4-27-99(or before)
"Student found with pipe bomb at Dakota Ridge High School(same school district as Columbine)." 

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4-27-99
Todd Cameron Smith, 14,  W.R. Myers HS, Taber,  Alberta,   Shoots and kills one boy and wounds two more.

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4-29-99
Sierra Middle School, Bakersfield California
 A 13-year-old boy with a loaded handgun and a hit list of 30 names was arrested at school. Authorities pulled the boy out of class at after classmates said they saw a gun under his shirt and saw him loading it outside. A .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun and 13 rounds of ammunition were found on the boy.


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4-30-99
Faye Holt, 34, of Westminster(Colorado), the mother of a former Pomona High School student, was arrested for a bomb scare that forced the evacuation of the school.   The task force investigating the Columbine shootings was called in to determine if the threat was connected to the events at Columbine.


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5-3-99
Everett High School, Lansing, Michigan 
A student hurled homemade chemical bombs on the campus.  "It's a kind of hysteria. It has a mind of its own, a face of its own. It has taken on its own personality. I've never experienced it as a professional" for 40 years, said Dale Glynn, principal

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5-3-99
Steven Allen Abrams, 39, Southcoast Early Childhood Learning Center, Costa Mesa, California

He intentionally plowed his Cadillac into a crowd of children outside a day care center, killing two toddlers and injuring five other people.

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5-8-99
Four former or current Adams High School(less than 30 miles northeast of Columbine) students were charged with attempted first-degree murder, for allegedly plotting an attack on the school.

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5-16-99
 A "real nasty" bomb was discovered Saturday at the entrance to a ballroom at the Sheraton Hotel in West Palm Beach, where hundreds of students were arriving for their high school prom.  The pipe bomb was filled with nails and other debris that could have inflicted serious injury had it gone off.

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5-19-99
South Junior High, Anaheim, Calif.
When police searched the homes of two eighth-graders at, they found two bombs, a rifle, a handgun, 1,500 rounds of ammunition and Nazi paraphernalia. They were tipped off by a student who heard that the boys were threatening to blow up the school.

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5-20-99
T.J. Solomon, 15, Heritage High, Conyers, GA   6 wounded by gunfire.


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From the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office Final Report-"Findings of the Threats Team"-we read

"IMMEDIATELY after the shooting on April 20, the command post received NUMEROUS reports of additional attacks that were to occur at other schools in the metro area as well as schools outside the state."(emphasis mine)

Based upon the sheer number of these incidents happening on or very near to 4-20, I'd have to say there is a probable connection--and that what was being planned was far more horrific than what actually happened.
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2007, 03:59:24 PM »

As Tom Snyder used to say, "Where Are They Now?"

Scott Fuselier, "the son of the FBI's lead agent in the investigation" (Associated Press, May 8, 1999)," coproduced a movie starring Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, in 1997.  The movie "depicts gun-toting, trench coat-wearing students moving through Columbine's halls and ends with a special-effects explosion of the school."

According to the Associated Press, Scott's dad, "[Dwayne] Fuselier is best known as one of the top negotiators in the 'Freeman' standoff in Montana. He is a former member of an elite FBI squad known as the Crisis Management Unit."

Miraculously, Scott's brother Brian, also a Columbine student, managed to escape the massacre.

Just last year, Scott was awarded 2nd prize from The Bronfman Center & Avoda Arts at the 3rd Annual NY Jewish Student Film Festival for his short flick, "Passover Noir," which can be found in the usual places online. 
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2008, 08:49:50 AM »

Actually, some schools now have things like metal-detectors on doors, random urine testing for drugs, etc.. Even if these problems don't exist, they want you to THINK they do, and hence propagate fear in the general populace.

Yeah, and it's bound to spark a few copy-cats in either event.
I had never quite thought of that... Oddly enough, I guess - well, it's completely possible. I know for a fact they want to disarm the public.

Hmm, some other leader did that at some point too - and then made a very powerful nation... dang, just can't remember who! lol
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