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« Reply #240 on: January 03, 2008, 02:20:59 PM »

FOX News censoring the only GOP candidate that speaks on behalf of Black America shows that this is a racist issue!

FOX News is purposefuly disenfranchising the Black Voters in the US!!!!!!!!!

Spread the word
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« Reply #241 on: January 03, 2008, 02:24:43 PM »

More FOX News Racism:

Against Hispanic Americans: http://mediamatters.org/items/200605120006

Against All Minorities: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-koppelman/cute-cuddly-fox-news-rac_b_21302.html

Against Irish Americans: http://www.irishfreedomcommittee.net/IFC_INFO/CAMPAIGNS/FOX_NEWS/boycott_fox_news.htm
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« Reply #242 on: January 03, 2008, 02:28:30 PM »

Racism against the Chinese on Fox News

8 min - Oct 23, 2007 -  (14 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwF_VzuN8dU


FOX News "Balances" Jena 6 With Black Racism

7 min - Sep 19, 2007 -  (281 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shPMUXEm0Tk


RACIST FOX NEWS ATTACKS OBAMA

9 min - Oct 8, 2007 -  (3 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9SH8HNe1mY


On FOX News, The Jena 6 Presented As Issue Of Black Racism

6 min - Sep 21, 2007 -  (57 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADrDxDkrbFI


FOX News Changes The Subject on Sean Bell Shooting

6 min - Mar 15, 2007 -  (41 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3W5hEOYVps


FOX News Fave Accuses Obama and Oprah Of Being A Racist

6 min - Mar 7, 2007 -  (278 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB7XkZUIHEQ


BILL OREILLY BRINGS HIS RACISM TO FOX NEWS

6 min - Sep 27, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxwHyzHs7Ww
 Watch video here - Related videos

More Asian Racism ("Eyes like this") on Fox News

37 sec - Nov 14, 2007 -  (14 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pLJxMzoXdY
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« Reply #243 on: January 03, 2008, 02:36:15 PM »

But FOX is not just racist, they also stir up racist sentiments by purposefully allowing moronic race-baiting guests to feed the minority wars in this country:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT4P3aw4i8I&feature=related

FOX News deliberately stirred up racial tensions with choice of guest Chuck Booms to discuss a black-against-white school fight. Booms has no expertise in nor connection to the incident but he insisted that it was a hate crime against whites, the "biggest problem in this country." From 5/3/07 Hannity & Colmes. Comment at http://www.newshounds.us/2007/05/04/fox_news_guest_says_black_racism_against_whites_the_biggest_problem_in_this_country.php#more
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« Reply #244 on: January 03, 2008, 02:52:03 PM »

OMFG - FOX News is Anti-Jewish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvelb2SJ7fs


FOX news anti jewish reporter telling an educated Jewish scolar that he is wrong. Shows how racist Fox news is.
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« Reply #245 on: January 03, 2008, 02:53:12 PM »

Whoa, major modification: Heres a list with PHONE NUMBERS and Email addresses:


Crest Whitestrips & Dawn (both Proctor & Gamble) 513-983-1100
Delphi (Driving Products) 1.888.809.9800
Mercedes Benz 1-800-367-6372
Comcast 1-800-COMCAST
Subaru 1-800-782-2783
GMC Suv’s 1-800-551-4123
Best Buy 1-888-237-8289
Travelocity 1 888.872.8356
Capzasin 1 (423) 822-5020
New Phase
Orbitz 1-888-656-4546
Ditech.com 1-800-DITECH-3
eloan.com (415) 786-3317 Laurie Azzano laurie@cosmo-pr.com
Toyota 1 800-331-4331
Centrum (Wyeth) 1-800-322-3129
Nextel (aka Sprint)1-800-639-6111
Vehix.com 1.866.698.3449
Gold Bond (Chattum) 423-821-4571
Aspercreme
webmd.com via email or webmd.com via other (212) 624-3700
American Express 1-877-877-0987, 1-800-525-3355
Holiday Inn Express 1 800-315-2621
M Professional unk
priceline.com 1-800-774-2354
L. L. Bean 1-800-441-7513
Jet Dry (Dishwasher Products) 1-800-820-8939
Chemistry.com (Matchmaking Web Site)
Bankrate.com (Mortgages)
Cars Direct.com
The Terminix International Company L.P. Phone: 901-766-1111
One-a-Day, a product of Bayer, can be reached via their website
Hefty Bags are from Pactiv (who knew?) You can leave a comment at http://www.pactiv.com/Contact/contact.aspx or
1-888-828-2850 or 847-482-2000.


Lowe’s, investorrelations@lowes.com

Ford (Taurus) 800-392-3673
800-232-5952 (TDD for the Hearing Impaired)

Wachovia Finance
Email Us: https://www.wachovia.com/contact/form
800-WACHOVIA (800-922-4684)

Tyson Foods
http://www.tyson.com/Corporate/Contact.aspx

24hourfitness.com
(800) 432-6348 (9-5 PST, Mon - Fri.)

Clairol’s Nice ‘n Easy
1-800-CLAIROL (1-800-252-4765)
http://clairol.com/ask-clairol/email-us.jsp

Prudential Real Estate
http://www.prudential.com/contactus
http://www.prudential.com/view/page/public/13184

Publix Super Markets Corporate Office
800-242-1227
Community Financial Services Association of America
Phone: 703-684-1029
Fax: 703-684-1219
cfsa@multistate.com

The Hertz Corporation
investorrelations@hertz.com
201-307-2100

ComData
http://www.comdata.com/comdata/contact_us_email_contact.jsp

American Standard
http://americanstandard.com/asdcontact.asp
1-800-241-5689 in the United States

1-800-Servpro
Phone: (615) 451-0200

Intel
(408) 765-8080
HP
http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/contact_us.html


Jeep
http://tinyurl.com/jeg74
Phone: +1 248 512 2950
Fax: +1 248 512 2912

1-800-PetMeds
customerservice@1800petmeds.com
Acura
Advair
AFLAC
Aricept
1-866-4-Aricept, Aricept.com
Avodart
avodart.com
Bayer Aspirin
Beep-beep.com
Boniva
Bridgestone Tires
Buick Enclave
Cadillac - Escalade
CDW.com
Choice Hotels (Comfort Suites, Comfort Inn, Quality Inn, Sleep Inn, Clarion, MainStay Suites)
choicehotels.com
Chrysler Town and Country
Cleveland Clinic
Dodge Ram trucks
Duracell
Florida OJ - Dept. of Citrus
Frankin Templeton Investments
Garlique
GMC Sierra pickup
Gold Bond Medicated Powder
HealthMart Pharmacy
Holiday Inn Express
hotels.com
1-800-2hotels
Hummer - H3
Hyundai
IAMS
Intel - HP
LensCrafters, Inc.
4000 Luxottica Place
Mason, OH 45040
513-765-6000
Lexus
Lipitor
Lunesta
Sepracor Corporate Headquarters
508-481-6700
84 Waterford Drive
Marlborough, MA 01752
info@sepracor.com
Nissan
OneTouch - MyUltraMini.com
1-877-899-0599
On the Border Mexican Grills (not all markets)
http://www.ontheborder.com/index.asp
Orbitz
Pfizer - NFA Nat’l Fibromyalgia Association
www.fibrohope.org 1-866-99fibro
Phillips Caplets
Plavix
www.plavix.com
Remax.com
Scrubbing Bubbles Shower Cleaner
Spiriva Inhaler
Subaru
ThermaCare
Totino’s Pizza Rolls
Yellow Book
yellowbook.com, 1-800-YB-Yellow
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« Reply #246 on: January 03, 2008, 03:05:39 PM »

This will be much more effective if you actually CALL the sponsors and TELL them you are boycotting their products because they advertise on FOX News. Mention the sell-off of FOX News stock and tell them their stock is headed the same way. If they get enough phone calls, they will in turn hit the panic button and call FOX.

--Mike Rivero


How short has the time limit for edits gone down, I was just in like 5 minutes ago, cant we have an hour or something?
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« Reply #247 on: January 04, 2008, 01:37:21 AM »

OUTFOXED : Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism

1 hr 18 min - Sep 14, 2004 -  (1489 ratings)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6737097743434902428
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« Reply #248 on: January 04, 2008, 06:23:09 AM »

Thanks for that post, w/ the list of sponsors.

I was right about to purchase the 8800GTS from BestBuy.com....... and now I'm not.
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« Reply #249 on: January 04, 2008, 09:55:57 AM »

Fox Stock Dump
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/20613
Posted January 4th, 2008 by zenpiper


PBS had a story on its 11:00 radio news last night about Ron Paul supporters - feeling the snub by Fox - began to influence the selloff of Fox News Stock. As of last night it was down 3%. The story also mentioned that Fox advertisers were to be boycotted.

This is pretty incredible. The Ron Paul supporters are becoming a huge force for social change and this is something to be proud of.

Calling all Traders

Many of you are RP supporters, and we have seen some really good posts from financial guys who are in step with Ron Paul's sound money policies. I hope that the traders will keep up the selling of Fox stock and share their influence with others in the financial community. You are a great influence and can help the RP campaign enormously. Great work! More to do!
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« Reply #250 on: January 04, 2008, 10:26:44 AM »

The rats are  deserting the s(t)inking ship at high volume! Roll Eyes



look at the volume - best indicator for lower stock coming soon  Wink
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« Reply #251 on: January 04, 2008, 10:49:12 AM »

Yesterday's Close:  20.65   Market Cap: $62.23 Billion
Price Now:            20.31   Market Cap: $61.21 Billion

Another $1 Billion Loss for News Corp

Another $510 Million Loss for Murdoch personally

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« Reply #252 on: January 04, 2008, 11:07:32 AM »

Paul and Kucinich on Bill Moyers - Tonight 1/4/08
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/20010
Posted January 3rd, 2008 by manystrom


PBS Airtime: Friday January 4, 2008, at 9:00 p.m. EST on PBS (check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/moyers...).

Spread the word.

What do the results in Iowa say about the press and politics? In two interviews, Bill Moyers talks with candidates shut out of key debates - Paul by Fox News from an upcoming debate in New Hampshire and Kucinich by Iowa's biggest newspaper, The Des Moines Register, in December.

On the Friday after the Iowa caucuses, Paul and Kucinich will give their perspectives on the results, the politics and the process as the field heads to New Hampshire. Also on the program, Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center, examines the campaigns and coverage in Iowa and looks at the power of the press to systematically advantage some candidates and disadvantage others.

Thanks to Truthout for the tip
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« Reply #253 on: January 04, 2008, 11:32:37 AM »

Perhaps Kucinich can tell us why he is not supporting Paul, but rather Obama.
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« Reply #254 on: January 04, 2008, 11:35:02 AM »

i thought his wife said they support Dr Paul??
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« Reply #255 on: January 04, 2008, 11:38:09 AM »

Shep Smith and Greta Debate the Ron Paul Fox Forum Flap!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_XBgzHxQs

During the Iowa coverage tonight, Shepard Smith and Greta van Susteren, along with Susan Estrich, discussed the exclusion of Ron Paul from an upcoming forum on Fox, and whether Fox should reconsider.

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Those FOX News reporters are SMART!!!!!!!!!

WTF???????

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« Reply #256 on: January 04, 2008, 11:44:57 AM »

Perhaps Kucinich can tell us why he is not supporting Paul, but rather Obama.

just a few days after they killed his brother, go figure
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« Reply #257 on: January 04, 2008, 12:02:05 PM »

After writing and email and informing Fox News I will no longer support their advertisers, I just got this...

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    'bill.oreilly@foxnews.com'

Technical details of permanent failure:
PERM_FAILURE: Parse Error: Illegal To: address (invalid domain name): 'bill.oreilly@foxnews.com'

And so far, 14 other failure emails with permanent failure.
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« Reply #258 on: January 04, 2008, 12:08:09 PM »

No Room on the “Debate Bus” for Ron Paul
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=1526
Kurt Nimmo Truth News January 4, 2008


An article posted on the Associated Content website gets it right:

Television influences people from everything from commercials for cereal to opinionated news. Well, two stations, ABC and Fox News Channel are taking this to a whole new level. Both stated the will limit the amount of presidential candidates during their next debates. This has stirred up controversy for candidates, who are struggling in the polls including Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

It should stir up controversy, if not outrage, because in essence Fox and ABC are deciding who the front-runners will be. The Iowa caucus voting system, admittedly less than perfect, as of this morning has the following results for the Republicans:

Mike Huckabee - 34 per cent
Mitt Romney - 25 per cent
Fred Thompson - 13 per cent
John McCain - 13 per cent
Ron Paul - 10 per cent
Rudy Giuliani - 3 per cent


Obviously, Ron Paul, at ten percent and beating Giuliani hands-down, deserves a seat at the debates. But he will be excluded. “Fox has only asked five Republican presidential candidates to a debate that is set for Sunday in New Hampshire. These candidates include Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Fred Thompson. The candidates left out are Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter. The Fox News Channel says it only has a small amount of room in the studio, which will take place in a bus,” continues Associated Content.

In other words, it does not matter that Paul beat Giuliani: he will not be asked to attend. Of course, there is a reason for this — Giuliani is an establishment candidate and Ron Paul is an outsider who talks dangerously about liberty, taxes, the Iraq “war,” and the Constitution. Since he is not reading from the establishment script, there will be no room for him on the bus.

Despite Fox’s statement about the “space issue”, some just do not believe it. Pam Ungerman an Independent voter, states, “I do not buy it. Fox News Channel does not like Ron Paul’s libertarian views. He is everything that most Republican candidates are not. Paul hates the war and does not stand for core values of Republicans. Fox should have the debate in a larger area than just a bus. What a poor excuse.” Paul is very popular among college students on various campuses. Some students are calling for viewers to not watch the Fox News Channel anymore.

Good idea, that. Now if they can only convince their voting parents to do likewise.

ABC has not determined yet about who will be allowed to participate in its next debate, but states it will decide after the Iowa caucus that takes place on January 3rd. ABC News released a statement on its website saying it has criteria for its next debate that will take place this Saturday. ABC says the candidates must have one or more of these three requirements.

And what will that “criteria” be? It’s a no-brainer, obviously. No talk about ending the Iraq occupation — or no serious talk, anyway — and certainly no talk about eliminating the IRS and returning America to an economic policy not based on funny money. Sure, the Huck talks about eliminating income taxes, but you know he really does not mean it. Like Bush’s talk about “compassionate conservatism” in the lead-up to the 2000 election, Huck’s idea — stolen from Ron Paul — will get lost along the way to November.

Associated Content concludes:

It will be a very interesting and unique debate this weekend with the remaining candidates according to ABC and the Fox News Channel. They have limited any chance of a dark horse candidate in the election. It is becoming a terrible situation when network executives are deciding who they want the American people to see on television.

Hardly surprising, as corporate executives at the behest of the ruling elite are the folks who decide who will be the next president, not the American people.

Once upon a time, a government ruled by corporations, by corporatism, was defined as the very essence of fascism. Now most of us are none the wiser.

Thus it is not shocking that a gaggle of fascists — in business suits instead of military uniforms — will be deciding who gets on the bus.
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« Reply #259 on: January 04, 2008, 12:16:14 PM »

Ahhh. I figured out why I had some emails bounce back. The first batch of emails listed here in this thread had ' ' marks around the email addresses like this...

'bill.oreilly@foxnews.com'

So cut and paste the ones below (without the ' ' ) and email them!

bill.oreilly@foxnews.com; Brit.Hume@foxnews.com; david.asman@foxnews.com; foxnewsonline@foxnews.com; yourcomments@foxnews.com; jane.skinner@foxnews.com; john.moody@foxnews.com; viewerservices@foxnews.com; kathy.ardleigh@foxnews.com; shepard.smith@foxnews.com; thom.bird@foxnews.com; todd.ciganek@foxnews.com
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« Reply #260 on: January 04, 2008, 12:54:08 PM »

They have some firewall settings, like mentioning anything about Ron Paul!!!  Huh
Call the sponsors, money talks- even to Murdoch.
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« Reply #261 on: January 04, 2008, 01:04:48 PM »

Someone please embed or just watch the accompanying video..
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http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/72647/

Is Fox News Trying to Ruin the Ron Paul Revolution? [VIDEO]

Posted by Peter Slutsky, Open Left at 6:00 AM on January 4, 2008.

Fox News is not allowing Rep. Paul to participate in the January 6th forum in New Hampshire.

Over eggs and toast yesterday morning, team DoubleSpeak decided to dedicate our day to covering Ron Paul. Given the attention that was on Iowa yesterday and the reality that this campaign could be flip-turned-upside-down overnight after the caucus, we ventured off to wade gingerly into Ron Paul's New Hampshire revolution.

Whoever said the revolution will not be televised did not know DoubleSpeak and OffTheBus.

To say that we found anything near conventional would be completely false. The campaign looks nothing like operations we've been around in the past. A bearded ukulele player greeted us at the front door as scores of volunteers- many seemingly from out of state- prepared for one of their visibility "marches" back and forth to the New Hampshire statehouse which is a couple blocks away. The march was led by a gentlemen dressed in a revolutionary war uniform beating a drum as his flock chanted. But, this isn't just a campaign...it's a revolution. Revolutions need drummers...right?

As has been reported by The Huffington Post, Fox News is not allowing Rep. Paul to participate in the January 6th forum here in New Hampshire. We have found that this story has gotten significant legs here in the state but our read is that with Paul not exceeding expectations during tonight's caucuses, Fox will continue to ignore the Texas congressman.

If you like the video, you can listen to an extended podcast of our time with the Paul campaign.

Last night we stopped by the Obama HQ party to check out the results and say hi to an old friend, Rep. Pat Murphy who was hanging out with the Obama crew. Lots of excitement and anticipation over there.

Stay tuned.

Update: Campaign officials have confirmed to us that the Paul campaign is planning a counter-event on Sunday night and that details would be released shortly.

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« Reply #262 on: January 04, 2008, 01:08:57 PM »

 A few Sponsors are huge like Proctor and Gamble, and they make lots of products, a boycott for them is a nightmare. (I called them this morning, was polite and so was the rep.) 5 calls to anyone you actually think you will boycott will make a huge difference.
Example, not likely to buy a mercedes but I did call P&G and Best buy, Holiday Inn and American Express, I carry their card so it holds more weight, but I think lots of people have to do it. BTW Best Buy said they had several calls on this issue.
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« Reply #263 on: January 04, 2008, 01:12:08 PM »


http://www.alternet.org/mediafiles/foxvsronpau_31416_04012008.flv
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« Reply #264 on: January 04, 2008, 01:34:40 PM »

A few Sponsors are huge like Proctor and Gamble, and they make lots of products, a boycott for them is a nightmare. (I called them this morning, was polite and so was the rep.) 5 calls to anyone you actually think you will boycott will make a huge difference.
Example, not likely to buy a mercedes but I did call P&G and Best buy, Holiday Inn and American Express, I carry their card so it holds more weight, but I think lots of people have to do it. BTW Best Buy said they had several calls on this issue.

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Mike Huckabee's campaign is being aided by an independent group run by a former top aide at the NRSC and funded in part by a group of retired Procter & Gamble executives in Ohio. "Trust Huckabee," whose website went live last week, was responsible for flooding Iowa with automated calls last night praising the former Arkansas governor and criticizing his GOP opponents. Patrick Davis, a Colorado-based political consultant who served as political director of the NRSC in 2004, is running the organization and confirmed in a telephone interview that they were a pro-Huckabee outfit and were responsible for the calls. Davis stressed that they were "completely independent" of Huckabee's Arkansas-based campaign, but the formation of the group has caused concern in Little Rock. Huckabee's campaign sent out comments the candidate made about the calls this morning on the trail in Iowa. "Our campaign has nothing to do with the push polling and I wish they would stop," Huckabee said. "We don't want this kind of campaigning because it violates the spirit of our campaign. I don't want to become President because I disabled the other candidates, I want to become President because I am the best candidate."

Huckabee's campaign manager, Chip Saltsman, also issued a statement describing the calls as "extremely counterproductive." "It takes the campaign off message at a time when Governor Huckabee is resonating with voters as never before," Saltsman said. "It loses votes rather than gains them. It's an underhanded way of doing business that is not welcomed by the campaign and it flies in the face of what Governor Huckabee stands for: integrity and clean politics. On behalf of Governor Huckabee and his campaign, I ask that these calls be stopped immediately." But Davis said not only won't they stop, but that the calls last night represent only the start of their effort for Huckabee. He hinted that they'll soon do similar voter contacts , what he called "personalized educational artificial intelligence calls," in other early states and denied that they were negative. "The people who would be upset learning more about a candidate's true positions are those that are in that candidate’s camp already," he said.  He also reiterated that they would be actively recruiting precinct captains to bring out Iowans to the caucuses, but said that such a separate effort from that of Huckabee’s campaign would be a help not hindrance. “It helps our candidate by driving compatriots that are favorable to Mike Huckabee to the caucuses,” Davis argued. “It’s capacity-building.”

Asked if they’ll move beyond the internet and phone calls and air television or radio ads, Davis said, “we would like to.”  He wouldn’t reveal any donors’ names, but one active member of the group is Harold “Zeke” Swift, a retired executive at Cincinnati-based Procter & Gamble.  Contacted by phone this morning, Swift repeatedly referred me to Davis but did acknowledge his involvement and that he’s a Huckabee supporter and donor.  Swift and his wife served as co-hosts for a Huckabee fundraiser earlier this month in suburban Cincinnati.  Swift was also involved in the efforts of sister independent groups last year, both  called “Common Sense,” that sent similar calls into states with competitive Senate races. The 501 (c) (4) parent group of the Huckabee organization is called “Common Sense Issues."   This organization is also playing in contested Senate races in 2008, and just began airing an ad attacking Rep. Mark Udall (D), who is running in an open seat race in Colorado.   Swift wouldn’t say if another member of the 2006 effort and current Procter & Gamble executive, Nathan Estruth, was involved in funding “Trust Huckabee,” but Davis said the donors “were similar but not identical” to last cycle.  Estruth was also a sponsor of Huckabee’s fundraising reception earlier this month and he and his wife have already given $2,300, the maximum allowed in a primary, to Huckabee..  Estruth didn’t return messages left at his office or home.  Davis worked with Saltsman at the NRSC in 2002, but said he hadn’t talked to his old colleague or anybody else working for Huckabee about the group.  In an email, Saltsman said he knew nothing about the organization.  Davis emphasized that they were “above board” and would report what they had to with the IRS and FEC.
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Procter & Gamble Suing Utah Company For ‘Satan’ Remarks
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17655/procter-gamble-suing-utah-company-for-satan-remarks
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SALT LAKE CITY — Consumer products giant Procter & Gamble says Utahns spread false rumors that the company is associated with Satanism.  Procter & Gamble is suing the Utahns for libel and unfair competition. The Utahns, who are associated with a competitor of proctor and gamble, deny libeling anybody, and say they are protected by the first amendment. It’s a big case; it’s been going on since 1995. Dozens of lawyers have been involved and the file consists of more than a thousand documents. But federal Judge Ted Stewart slapped a gag order on the whole thing, so none of the participants or lawyers can talk. Cincinatti based Procter & Gamble is a giant company bringing in $60 billion a year, and employing 138,000 workers. It makes Ivory Soap, Tide, Prell, Crest, Charmin, Downy, Folgers, Gillette, And Pepto Bismol, among other products. But beginning in the 1980s, Procter & Gamble had a problem. People said the company was connected to devil worship, and they pointed to a company logo adopted in 1851. Rumor mongers said in the bottom of the beard here you can make out 666, the number of the devil. Procter & Gamble had to give up the logo. In the trial inside, proctor and gamble says that leaders of freedom tools and freedom associates, both based in Ogden, sent messages to each other in 1995, slandering Procter & Gamble. The people who allegedly sent the messages are associated with Amway, a corporate competitor of Procter & Gamble. The messages repeated an old rumor that the president of proctor and gamble appeared here on the old Phil Donahue talk show, and said he would “come out of the closet” and admit his company was Satanist, and gave a lot of its profits to the church of Satan. In fact, however, the president of proctor and gamble never appeared on Phil Donahue, and never said his company was Satanist.
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Proctor and Gamble and Eugenics
http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/1920sp6.html


In 1946, Gordon Gray founded the Bowman Gray (Memorial) Medical School in Winston Salem. The school maintained extensive eugenic records of children with diseases believed to be inherited, which included low IQ children. Herndon and Gray, with the help of Dr. Clarence Gamble, heir to the Proctor and Gamble soap fortune, began a program to administer an IQ test to all Winston Salem school children. Below some arbitrary cut off point in the test scores, the child was selected for sterilization. The program was extended to nearby Orange County with money from James Gordon Hanes, a trustee of Bowman Gray Medical School and underwear mogul. Hundreds of children in North Carolina were sterilized in the program. Wake Forest is still uncovering its past association with the eugenics movement
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« Reply #265 on: January 04, 2008, 01:44:36 PM »

That means we should boycott P&G Products permanently. Start reading labels, they make like ....Everything.
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« Reply #266 on: January 04, 2008, 02:02:19 PM »

Below, I outlined link to P & G product list

http://www.pg.com/common/product_sitemap.jhtml;jsessionid=MUP1ZRHWXRJERQFIASJHKZWAVACJE3MK
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« Reply #267 on: January 04, 2008, 02:05:35 PM »

I found this in my paper today from the washington times.

Fox News challenged over Paul debate snub
By Jennifer Harper
January 4, 2008
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080104/NATION/735680975/1002

The decision by Fox News not to include Republican hopeful Ron Paul in Sunday's prime-time presidential debate in New Hampshire has made some wonder whether the network has overstepped its bounds as a news organization.

"Limiting the number of candidates invited to participate in debates is not consistent with the tradition of the first-in-the-nation primary," said Fergus Cullen, chairman of the New Hampshire Republican Party. "A level playing field requires that all serious candidates be given an equal opportunity to participate — not just a select few determined by the media prior to any votes being cast."

The party has prevailed upon Fox News to include Mr. Paul — and any other lesser-tier candidates from either side — to be included in the 90-minute forum.

Earlier this week, the network blamed logistics. There was simply no room for Mr. Paul on the debate's cramped mobile set, which happens to be inside a bus.

"Fox is not necessarily being mean; they're being mute. They won't acknowledge our requests to be included," said campaign spokesman Jesse Benton.

Mr. Paul has taken on Fox himself.

"They are scared of me and don't want my message to get out, but it will," he told reporters during an interview in a New Hampshire diner. "They are propagandists for this war and I challenge them on the notion that they are conservative."

Others accused Fox News of censorship.

"The Paul snub exposes censorship of competitive voices There is simply no tolerance of competing voices against the political elite of two-party politics," said Shane Cory, director of the Libertarian Party.

"Fox News itself apparently wants to limit the GOP discussion to variations on a neocon theme of perpetual war for perpetual big government," said conservative author Richard Viguerie.

"Ron Paul is a traditional limited-government conservative in the grand tradition of Robert A. Taft, Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan," Mr. Viguerie said, adding that Mr. Paul has raised $20 million and bested Fred Thompson, who is included in the Fox debate, in some polls.

"While Fox has ended the Democratic monopoly in TV news, it is becoming disturbingly clear that it is perpetuating the pro-big-government monopoly in TV news," Mr. Viguerie said.

ABC News also has garnered criticism for its policy: To be included in Saturday's debate, candidates must place in the top four spots in Iowa, or at least make a 5 percent favorability rating in national or New Hampshire-based opinion polls.

Such thinking irks the local press.

"New Hampshire, not TV, should decide," wrote Joseph W. McQuaid, publisher of the New Hampshire Union Leader.

"It is a perversion of the New Hampshire primary process to have serious, if longshot, contenders excluded from this possibly significant TV exposure. All New Hampshire citizens should be insulted and affronted by it."
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Murdoch lost more today!!!

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« Reply #269 on: January 04, 2008, 06:06:29 PM »

Ron Paul: Fox News Is "Beyond A Joke"

Presidential candidate slams decision to exclude him from forum

Paul Joseph Watson | Prison Planet | Friday, January 4, 2008
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2008/010408_beyond_joke.htm     

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show today, presidential candidate Ron Paul commented on the controversy surrounding his exclusion from a Fox News January 6th presidential forum by encouraging supporters to keep up the pressure on the network to reverse their decision and slamming the network's claim of being fair and balanced as "beyond a joke".

"People are outraged and a lot of them are coming to our defense including the Republican Party up there so we haven't heard the last word about that yet," said Paul.

The Congressman identified the main reason for his exclusion as Fox News' fear that he would express strong anti-war opinions, which they see as a "threat" when coming from the most conservative member of the house.

"They have to realize that what the numbers are and if it's hurting them, if it's not in their interests I think they're in a bind, I don't think they have any easy way out and they dug themselves into this situation so hopefully they wake up and realize that they have to come around to be much more fair and balanced, it's gone beyond a joke for them to advertise they're fair and balanced when they're just the opposite," said the Congressman.

Discussing the broader success of the campaign, Paul said, "Everybody's upbeat and they wanna win but they are also very realistic to know what is the future regardless of what's gonna happen....how can we keep working this, how can we keep our group together....I think we've really opened the eyes of a lot of people so there's reason to be optimistic," said Paul.

The Congressman added that the New World Order must be defeated not with weapons but with ideas and that the movement which he is now the figurehead for is much larger than he ever dreamed it would be.

"Most people thought that you'd have to be part of the establishment to get money and support but the supporters have proven that not only will they work hard and go out and do the legwork that is necessary but they'll also send in the money and they'll also be very creative," added Paul.

MP3 of the interview:
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Yep, NWS was down another 2.62 percent Friday--like I said, easy money if you shorted it.

It hit $20.06--very close to the fatal $20 mark.

If Alex gives it a mention on the show Monday, that could easily push it below $20 and put it into serious freefall.
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« Reply #271 on: January 04, 2008, 07:26:03 PM »

Critics Blast Fox News’s ‘Ideological’ ‘Censorship’ For Banning Ron Paul From NH Debate
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/04/fox-bans-paul/


Last week, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) revealed that Fox News is excluding him and Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) from their New Hampshire debate on Sunday, arguing that “it had limited space in its studio — a souped-up bus.”

The AP did not specify “what types of polls” Fox was relying on “and if there had to be consistent double-digit results.” As Josh Marshall has noted, Paul is beating Thompson by an average of 5 points in New Hampshire polls. Additionally, Paul raised nearly $20 million in the last quarter of 2007 — roughly the same amount as Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL).

Bill O’Reilly defended Fox’s decision on Wednesday, saying he’d “do the same thing.” He also revealed that the decision was based on “national poll numbers.” Watch it:

http://video.thinkprogress.org/2008/01/OReillyFoxPaul.320.240.flv

Though O’Reilly noted that “both Paul and Hunter will appear on January 10th in the Fox-sponsored South Carolina debate,” the decision to include Thompson rather than Paul in the New Hampshire debate is drawing particular criticism. Conservatives and pundits say it appears as though Fox is censoring Paul:

“Fox News itself apparently wants to limit the GOP discussion to variations on a neocon theme of perpetual war for perpetual big government.” [Conservative author Richard Viguerie]

“It raises the possibility that this is an ideological decision.” [Kathleen Hall Jamieson, director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania]

“The Paul snub exposes censorship of competitive voices.” [Libertarian Party director Shane Cory]

“The pivotal debates before the first statewide vote in the 2008 election cycle is not the time to be voting people off the island, no matter how much they may want a more free-wheeling exchange,” [New Hampshire Republican State Chairman Fergus Cullen]


This isn’t the first time conservatives who disagree with Paul’s politics have denied him a forum. In October, the popular conservative blog RedState banned Paul’s supporters from discussing Paul in “any way shape, form or fashion.”


UPDATE: On CNN’s The Situation Room, Fred Thompson said, “I don’t expect that we’re going to be very competitive in New Hampshire.” But he’s still in the Fox News debate.
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« Reply #272 on: January 04, 2008, 08:25:44 PM »

I just read this from my brothers blog posting.

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News Story:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/11/15/regan/index.html

By Alex Koppelman and Erin Renzas

Rudy Giuliani's ties to Fox News
Judith Regan's lawsuit against News Corp. alleges that Rupert Murdoch's firm, which owns Fox News, wants Giuliani to be president. A look at links between the candidate and the company.

Nov. 15, 2007 | Of all the allegations contained in former ReganBooks Publisher Judith Regan's lawsuit against her one-time employers at Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., the most explosive is the first. Regan charges that News Corp. executives wanted to destroy her reputation because she knew too much about her ex-boyfriend, former New York City Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, and that what she knew could be harmful to the presidential hopes of Rudy Giuliani -- whom she depicts as the preferred candidate of News Corp. and its subsidiary, Fox News. According to Regan's suit, "This smear campaign was necessary to advance News Corp.'s political agenda, which has long centered on protecting Rudy Giuliani's presidential ambitions."

Regan and the married Kerik had a well-publicized yearlong affair. Their assignations often took place in a lower Manhattan apartment that had been specifically reserved for the use of workers in the aftermath of 9/11. After Giuliani left the mayor's office on January 1, 2002, Kerik went to work for him as a consultant at Giuliani Partners. Kerik and Regan broke up later in 2002. In December 2004, according to Regan's complaint, when President Bush tapped Kerik, at Giuliani's recommendation, to head the federal Department of Homeland Security, Regan was pressured to keep quiet, and asked to lie on Kerik's behalf. "[A] senior executive in the News Corp. organization told Regan that he believed she had information about Kerik that, if disclosed, would harm Giuliani's presidential campaign. This executive advised Regan to lie to, and to withhold information from, investigators concerning Kerik. ... [D]efendants knew they would be protecting Giuliani if they could preemptively discredit her."

This is not the first time that News Corp. has been accused of having a political agenda. Fox News is often accused of favoring Republicans. In the current presidential election cycle, however, there have also been repeated suggestions, from critics on both the right and the left, that the network prefers Giuliani over the other GOP contenders.

As it happens, Giuliani and News Corp. do have a history. Giuliani has several personal and financial connections to News Corp. and Fox News -- beginning with Fox's top executive -- and those connections seem to have proven mutually beneficial:

Roger Ailes: The head of Fox News, Ailes was a veteran Republican operative long before he was a news executive, having worked as a media consultant in the presidential campaigns of Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and the first President Bush. In 1989, he worked as a media consultant on the unsuccessful first mayoral campaign of a former federal prosecutor named Rudy Giuliani, with whom he had bonded at dinner parties over their shared admiration for Ronald Reagan. Since then, Giuliani and Ailes have remained good friends. Giuliani officiated at Ailes' wedding and brought presents to Ailes' room when Ailes was hospitalized in 1998. The New York Times has reported that aides to the two men say they don't see each other often, but they did sit together at the White House Correspondents' Dinner in April 2007 -- which Giuliani attended as a guest of News Corp. (Ailes has also socialized with Bernie Kerik.)

The Time Warner lawsuit: In 1994, according to the New York Times, Giuliani prepared a speech for a reception honoring Ailes in which he wrote, "Roger has played an important role in my own career." In 1996, Giuliani had an opportunity to repay the favor. Fox News was launching, with Ailes at the helm, and Time Warner, which provided cable service to 12 million homes nationwide, had decided it would not carry Fox News. Time Warner was the dominant cable operator in New York City, meaning that not only would 1.1 million city homes not get Fox, but the fledgling network would go unseen by media powerbrokers in the nation's media capital.

Three days after Murdoch learned of Time Warner's decision, a call from Ailes to Giuliani set in motion a series of unprecedented moves in favor of a cable network by the Giuliani administration. As calls and meetings continued between Fox and city officials, including Giuliani, the Giuliani administration reportedly threatened Time Warner executives with the loss of their cable franchise if the cable provider didn't accept a deal in which the city would give up one of its own government channels so Fox News could take the slot. (Some 30 other cable networks had tried and failed to win channel space on Time Warner.) When Time Warner refused to take the deal, the city announced that it would go ahead with the plan anyway and force the cable provider to carry Fox News. A legal battle ensued.

Ultimately, the two warring parties made peace and Fox won carriage, but not before a judge and an appeals panel both ruled against the city's plan. In granting Time Warner a temporary injunction, a federal district court judge issued a harsh rebuke to the Giuliani administration, saying the city had repeatedly shifted the legal justifications for its stand, indicating that "the City does not believe its own positions." The judge further wrote, "The City's purpose in acting to compel Time Warner to give Fox one of its commercial channels was to reward a friend... The very fact that the City chose Fox News out of all other news programs -- not to mention the significant number of other programs which have been denied space on Time Warner's commercial network -- is by itself substantial evidence that the City chose Fox News based on its content."

Lobbying: Giuliani's connections to News Corp. extend to his law and lobbying firm, Bracewell & Giuliani. Giuliani announced his partnership in the firm previously known as Bracewell & Patterson in March 2005. Beginning the next month, according to congressional lobbying disclosure records, the firm billed News Corp. and DirecTV, which was then a subsidiary of News Corp., for $120,000 in federal lobbying during 2005. The firm represented News Corp. on issues including regulations on violent and indecent programming and the potential re-write of the 1996 Telecommunications Act. In the years prior to Giuliani joining the firm, congressional records do not show any lobbying work performed for News Corp.

Airtime: Earlier this year, a study by the political journal Hotline found that Giuliani had been interviewed on Fox News during the first 196 days of 2007 for a total of 115 minutes, more than any other presidential contender, and 14 minutes more than the runner-up, the then-undeclared Fred Thompson.

Sean Hannity: In Fox's defense, the bulk of the time Giuliani was on the network he was talking to Sean Hannity, the Long Island-bred cohost of "Hannity & Colmes." And no wonder -- though Hannity claims not to be supporting a candidate (a denial he was forced to make when Ariz. Sen. John McCain accused him on-air, albeit obliquely, of supporting Giuliani), he flew to Ohio to introduce the former mayor at a campaign fundraiser in August. When a New York Times reporter asked a Fox spokeswoman about the Hotline figures, she responded that Hannity makes his own booking decisions. Hannity has also handled post-debate anchor duties for all three Fox GOP debates held to date.

Cease-and-desist: In October, Fox lawyers sent a cease and desist letter to John McCain's campaign after he included footage from Fox's October 21 Orlando debate in a TV commercial. The ad featured a McCain quip aimed at Senator Clinton's push for a so-called "Woodstock museum." The letter demanded McCain pull the ad and remove footage of the debate from his Web site, according to Talking Points Memo.

However, similar letters were not sent to two other GOP presidential hopefuls who were also using footage from the Fox debate -- Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney. After initial reports showed that only McCain had been sent such an order, a Fox spokesperson told the New York Times, "Our legal team has been alerted and there will be cease and desist orders." Letters were sent to both the Romney and Giuliani campaigns, but they are apparently not being heeded. Giuliani's Web site still makes liberal use of Fox footage, including one clip added at least a week after the date of the cease and desist letter. Romney's site also continues to feature material from the debate.

Steve Forbes: Himself a former Republican presidential candidate, the magazine magnate is now a national co-chair and senior policy advisor with the Giuliani campaign. He's also, in the words of a Giuliani campaign press release, "a frequent business commentator for Fox News Channel's 'Forbes on Fox.'" Though that show is actually hosted by a Fox News employee, David Asman, its guests come from the editorial staff of Forbes Magazine. Steve Forbes is both the editor-in-chief of Forbes Magazine and the president and CEO of its publisher, Forbes, Inc.


By Alex Koppelman and Erin Renzas



I don't know if anyone has talked about this, but it is pretty strong evidence that Rudy is as corrupt as the Bushies.

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« Reply #273 on: January 04, 2008, 10:42:02 PM »

What! The republican party and CNN come to Ron Paul's defense !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7offuHK3mZI
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Heres the video... and article.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01042008/watch2.html

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Bill Moyers talks with Ron Paul

BILL MOYERS: In politics, it's usually the insurgent who carries the discontent of people who feel excluded from the mainstream. This campaign Ron Paul is the insurgent. Congressman Ron Paul from Texas placed fifth in Iowa with ten percent of the vote. But turn on your computer, and you'll find him at the top of the world's most watched video posting site.

STEVE: Congressman Paul. It's nice to meet you. My name's Steve. I'm from YouTube. The news and politics politics center over there. Yeah, welcome. You have quite the following over there.

RON PAUL: I've heard about that.

STEVE: I'm sure you have more subscribers than any other candidate on the platform.

BILL MOYERS: Some seven million viewers at last count had clicked on Ron Paul's You Tube offerings. More viewers then tuned into the first two Republican debates on cable television. Whatever happens now, this libertarian Republican has become a phenomenon in his own right taking on the powers that be in his party to argue against the war in Iraq among other contrarian positions. He stopped in our studio en route from Iowa to New Hampshire. Congressman Paul, Thanks for coming.

BILL MOYERS: You've got quite a following on the YouTube and on the Internet generally. What's your explanation for that and the difference between that and what happened in the primary?

RON PAUL: You know, every time I meet some of the young people who come, you know, and join the campaign, I ask them that question. The answer are generally very similar. And I've been very pleased and very surprised. A lot of them will just say, "Well, you're a strict Constitutionalist. We like your respect for the Constitution." That sort of thing, very encouraging. And others will say, "We like your respect for personal liberties, you know." And even monetary policy. I talk about monetary policy--

BILL MOYERS: Right.

RON PAUL: --and they're interested in that. And I think it's very important policy. So, that excites me when I see young people responding to it. But I think they realize the financial condition of this country much better than those who work around Washington they condition themselves to be convinced there's no serious problems.

BILL MOYERS: As you were coming in, I was reading another story on the Internet about Fox News excluding you from the Republican debate this weekend in New Hampshire. What was the rationale they gave you?

RON PAUL: They wouldn't give us one. We kept calling. And matter of fact, even the Fox affiliate in Houston came and interviewed me, and they were interested in the story. And they called, and they couldn't even get an answer. Of course, they were getting a lot of calls from our supporters in Texas wanting to-- why he's excluded. But the affiliate wasn't even told why. They don't tell us what the criteria is. And so it's all speculation. But I think in the long run they're going to be more embarrassed than I will be.

BILL MOYERS: You are in the ABC debate this weekend. Right?

RON PAUL: That is right.

BILL MOYERS: Because you met their benchmarks?

RON PAUL: Well, evidently. But, again, they don't describe them. But I've been in all the debates so far, you know. And we've done rather well, you know. We always do real well in the post-debate polling.

BILL MOYERS: Right. And you and Dennis--

RON PAUL: And even on-- even on Fox.

BILL MOYERS: You and Dennis Kucinich usually are said to be the winners of--

RON PAUL: Yeah.

BILL MOYERS: --those debates.

RON PAUL: Yeah. And yet some people, I guess, they don't want to hear our message.

BILL MOYERS: How would you encourage more substantive discussion of ideas by people like you in the mass media that is primarily owned by five or six major companies in America today. And you think that's a free market?

RON PAUL: Well, not really, because the radio waves and the TV waves were never totally free, you know. They're allocated by the government. And then they're licensed by the government. And there's regulations there. So, I see that last week. And I think you could make a case for what you're saying, and I understand what you're saying. But fortunately we have more competition today than ever before. That's what's exciting. All of a sudden, you know, I can get a message out on the Internet.

BILL MOYERS: Okay.

RON PAUL: And what I fear, and what I talk about a lot is will the government come in and have regulations on what you can say on the Internet like they can have with what you say-- you know, and maybe there's a narrow little group who gets to buy-- all these TV and radio stations, and Clear Channels and thing like that. So, are they going to control it? So, that's why I fear the regulation. I don't want the government in the business of regulating. I don't want them to regulate the Internet, because we've become competitive, just like you've indicated a few minutes ago. We reach a lot of people. We haven't translated that into the conventional polls. We still have a challenge in this campaign. But there's still a wonderful opportunity with the free market in disseminating information.

BILL MOYERS: But it isn't the government that is requiring Fox News to keep you on the air ways. It's not the government making those decisions about who get heard or not. It is these companies with--

RON PAUL: Well.

BILL MOYERS: --who own, as you say, a lot of the media out there.

RON PAUL: But I think it's still to this philosophy they believe in. They believe in war. And they believe in the military industrial complex. And some of these companies that are mixed in with making profits off war. So, they're not going to have the same attitude about going to war as I might have. But I think that's still a reflection of their philosophy rather than the fact that they're a media company.

BILL MOYERS: You remind me of something you told Tim Russet on MEET THE PRESS-- you talked about fascism. Look at this piece of tape.

RON PAUL (on MEET THE PRESS): Were not moving toward Hitler-type fascism, but we're moving toward a softer fascism. Loss of civil liberties, corporations running the show, big government in bed with big business. So you have the military industrial complex, you have the medical industrial complex, you have the financial industry, you have the communications industry. They go to Washington and spend hundreds of millions of dollars. That's where the control is. I call that a soft form of fascism, something that is very dangerous.

BILL MOYERS: Do you really think that we're heading in that direction?

RON PAUL: Yeah. Now we're living in an age today in this post-9/11 atmosphere where our civil liberties are being undermined constantly. All in the name of safety and security we're supposed to give up our rights for our privacy? We're allowed now to accept the idea of secret prisons and secret renditions, and the lost of habeas corpus. This is very, very dangerous. And I don't want to get to the point where it's hard to reverse. Matter of fact, right now it's getting more difficult everyday to reverse this trend, because the American people seem to so often say, "You know I want to be-- I can't be free, if I'm not safe. So, I want my government to make me safe." And they're willing to give up their liberties. And I'm convinced that you never have to give up liberties to be safe. I think you're less safe when you give up your liberties.

BILL MOYERS: Well, as you speak, I'm curious about how you as a libertarian feel that the winner in Iowa, and a possible leader of your party in the fall in the presidential election is a man who openly identifies himself, defines himself as quote, "A Christian leader." I'm speaking, of course, of Michael Huckabee, who as you know, wears his religion on his sleeve. Talks openly about it. Doesn't proselytize particularly for it. But he is a man who has identified himself as a Christian leader. Does that make you uncomfortable given the fact that most libertarians I know are disturbed about any entanglement between the government and religion?

RON PAUL: Well, it bothers me to a degree. I happen to be a believer. I'm a Christian. And I do write about it. But I specifically say I don't carry my religion on my sleeve. Sometimes I had been annoyed about the prayer breakfast in Washington. I never attended the prayer breakfast in Washington, although I am a believer. I just thought that was more publicity. And, you know, the Bible does teach us that we should say our prayers in a closed room, and not flaunt it, and not to pretend you're holier than-- others. So, I've approached it that way. And I haven't accused anybody of doing that. But when it's overly used, it does annoy me. I mean, the idea of a theocracy very much annoys me. And--

BILL MOYERS: Do you see Michael Huckabee in that direction? You don't--

RON PAUL: He hasn't said anything specifically that I would say we got to defeat Mike Huckabee, because I think he's a theocrat. I haven't said that. But I think that there are a lot of people who may interpret it that way.

BILL MOYERS: And are you nervous?

RON PAUL: I'm nervous about the way the country is going, because they don't understand the First Amendment, you know. Because I'm a strong defender of the First Amendment and then after the Congress shall write no laws, and that's what I think is the most important thing. I sometimes even worry... I don't like the idea that Mitt Romney might lose, you know, because of his religious beliefs. And if you understand the First Amendment, we shouldn't even be asking him what his what his religious belief is. So, I'm sympathetic with that, and I don't like the way he's been treated, or at least subtly behind the scenes and how people might react to that, because with the First Amendment says we're not supposed to dealing in that, and that shouldn't be a litmus test for being elected.

BILL MOYERS: And the Constitution-- you believe in the Constitution, says that there can be no religious test for office. Right? Doesn't some of the things that Mike Huckabee is saying get close to an implied religious test?

RON PAUL: I think that some of the supporters might be doing that. And I think they have a right to know what your religion is. But it doesn't be a test. And I think for some individuals it becomes a test. But I don't think we've quite gotten to the point where we have to make a public statement of what our religious beliefs are, or the rejection of our religious beliefs. I think the most important thing is to make sure they understand the First Amendment.

BILL MOYERS: You're against the war that your party cheered. You're scared of this big debt building up under your party's leadership. You oppose the big spending that President Bush has encouraged on the drug industry, and education. Wall Street thinks you're a crank for your beliefs. Why do you stay in the Republican Party?

RON PAUL: Well I've been elected as a Republican for ten times. And Republicans have a platform, and had a better platform in the past. They expressed these views. Matter of fact, George Bush, if you remember ran on a foreign policy not too far from what I'm talking about. So, it's not like I'm completely a stranger to the Republican ideas of-- you know, they talk about balanced budgets and they're strict Constitutionalists.

And I think the ones who are in charge right now have left the Republican Party and the platform, which makes it more difficult, because people in the party, the hard core base, which unfortunately for the Republicans is getting smaller. But they stick their loyal to the leader. And they're loyal to maintaining power. They're not loyal to a principle or the Constitution and saying doing what is right, you know. They can't reverse their trend, you know. If we're in a bad situation in Iraq, "No. We can't be disloyal." And so they're not objective enough. So-- but I think I can be a good Republican and fight for these ideals, because they have been in the Republican Party in the past. And the question is, is will these ideas be revived once again in the Republican Party? Will people like myself be excluded? There's indeed a lot of people would like to exclude me from the Republican Party. But the party is awful small. Why would they want to exclude is, if we want to work within the Republican Party?...........

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« Reply #275 on: January 04, 2008, 11:14:54 PM »


Looks like I'll be a stinky, dirty, hairy, no dish washin', no a$$ wipin', dog starvin', diarrhea havin', happy Ron Paul supporter.  They make alot of $hit.
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« Reply #276 on: January 04, 2008, 11:18:11 PM »

Rudy comes in with 3% of the Iowa vote and the first person Hannity and Colmes interviewed was Rudy G.
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« Reply #277 on: January 04, 2008, 11:53:02 PM »

Ron Paul with Bill Moyers 1-04-08 parts 1 to 3

23 min - Jan 5, 2008 -  (2 ratings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-epeXDBLXsA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReGxVBWMBYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBuvhbZh0ns
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« Reply #278 on: January 05, 2008, 12:04:30 AM »

solid interview.  reminds me of old interviews he used to give.  only dealt with true American issues and had plenty of time to explain the foundation of the problems.  It is the essence of Ron Paul a statesman with the patience, the spirit, the depth of knowledge, and the intellect to truly show us the way to freedom.

Only we can demand our freedom, but Ron Paul has shown us the path.

He is not a saviour or a king, he is simply a guide.

We will either walk to freedom or stay in our prisons. 

The choice is ours.
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« Reply #279 on: January 05, 2008, 01:10:03 AM »

We should blow up the video links on you tube and PBS!!!!

Watch  videos for Ron Paul, set your favorites for Ron Paul.......

PUSH! PUSH!

Set your Homepage to RON PAUL related sites for FREEDOM!!!!
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