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« on: February 10, 2011, 04:16:11 AM »

"I, Sister Faustina Kowalska, by the order of God, have visited the Abysses of Hell so that I might tell souls about it and testify to its existence...the devils were full of hatred for me, but they had to obey me at the command of God, What I have written is but a pale shadow of the things I saw. But I noticed one thing: That most of the souls there are those who disbelieved that there is a hell." (Diary 741)

The Apostle of Divine Mercy
St. Maria Faustina Kowalska
 
"Today, I was led by an angel to the Chasms of Hell. It is a place of great torture; how awesomely large and extensive it is! The kinds of tortures I saw:
The First Torture that constitutes hell is:
     The loss of God.
The Second is:
     Perpetual remorse of conscience.
The Third is
     That one's condition will never change.
The Fourth is:
     The fire that will penetrate the soul without destroying it. A terrible suffering since it is a purely spiritual fire, lit by God's anger.
The Fifth Torture is:
     Continual darkness and a terrible suffocating smell, and despite the darkness, the devils and the souls of the damned see each other and all the evil, both of others and their own.
The Sixth Torture is:
The constant company of Satan.
The Seventh Torture is:
Horrible despair, hatred of God, vile words, curses and blasphemies.

These are the Tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings.

Indescribable Sufferings
There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned.

I would have died
There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me.

No One Can Say There is No Hell

Let the sinner know that he will be tortured throughout all eternity, in those senses which he made use of to sin. I am writing this at the command of God, so that no soul may find an excuse by saying there is no hell, or that nobody has ever been there, and so no one can say what it is like...how terribly souls suffer there! Consequently, I pray even more fervently for the conversion of sinners. I incessantly plead God's mercy upon them. O My Jesus, I would rather be in agony until the end of the world, amidst the greatest sufferings, than offend you by the least sin." (Diary 741)

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Warnings From Beyond (Hell), Part 1 of 3

To the Contemporary Church
[Confessions of Hell]
A literal text of the revelations made by the demons
Beelzebub, Judas Iscariot, Akabor, Allida,  and Veroba
during a series of exorcisms' from 1975 to 1978

Part One
TEXTS OF EXORCISMS[1]
August 14, 1975

E= Exorcist

A= Akabor, a fallen angel, from The Choir of Thrones[2]

Al= Allida, a fallen angel, from the Choir of Archangels

HELL IS TERRIBLE


A: There is more that I must still say.

E: Speak the truth, and nothing but the truth, in the name of the Most Holy Trinity, the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Conception...!

A: Yes, in Their names, and in the name of the Thrones from whom I came, I am forced to go on speaking. I must speak.

E: Tell the truth, and only the truth. You have no right to lie. In the name...!

A: I was a member of the Choir of Thrones. I, Akabor, must speak (his breathing is gasping; he[3] cries in a terrible voice). I must say how terrible Hell is. It is much more terrible than anyone could believe. God's justice is terrible, so terrible (he moans and groans).

E: Continue to tell the truth in the name of the Most Holy Trinity, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Conception. Say what God commands you to say.

A: Hell is so much worse than you imagine - you do not think deeply enough to comprehend. God's justice... naturally, His Mercy is available... but this requires many things. You must have great confidence, say many prayers, go to Confession. You must do everything according to the old ways. Novelties cannot be allowed to come in easily and wantonly. It is the Pope who speaks the truth.

E: Continue, in the name of the Most Holy Trinity, the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Conception, continue in the name of the Thrones, continue!

THE FLOCK IS IN DANGER

A:   The Wolves are even now...

E: Tell the truth, bring out the truth, in the name of the Most Holy Trinity, the Most Blessed Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Conception, and in the name of the Thrones!

A: The wolves are now in your midst, even among the good people.[4]

E: Tell the truth, nothing but the truth. We order you, in the name...!

A: As I said before, they (the wolves) are even under the form of bishops,[5] and higher still, in the cardinals.

E: Continue to tell the truth, in the name of the Most Blessed Virgin and Mother of God, Mary, in the name...! Continue to tell the truth, the whole truth, as you must, in the name...!

THE YOUNG ARE IN DANGER

A: I say this against my will. I am saying all this against my will. But the young... the young have been taken in. The young believe that with a few...

E: Tell the truth, in the name of the Thrones. You have no right to lie!

A: ...with a few works of charity, they can reach Heaven; But that is not so. No, never.

E: Continue to tell the truth, the entire truth, in the name of the Thrones, in the name of...!

A: They must, whatever it costs me, I have to say this...

E: Continue to tell the truth, in the name of the Holy Trinity! You must tell the truth, in the name...![6]

CONFESSION AND HOLY COMMUNION

A: ...they must receive the Sacraments; receive them in the proper way. True confession, not just participation in penitential ceremonies, and Communion. At this time (Communion) the priest should say “Lord, I am not worthy” three times, and not just once.[7] Communion must he received in the mouth and not in the hand.

E: Speak only the truth, in the name of the Precious Blood, the Holy Cross, the Immaculate Conception of Lourdes. Our Lady of the Rosary of Fatima!

A: We racked our brains for a very long time down there (he points downward), until we succeeded in getting Communion in the hand under way.[8] Communion in the hand... Communion in the hand is very good for us in Hell, believe me!

E: We order you, in the name... to say only what Heaven orders you! Speak only the truth, you have no right to lie, so leave off, stop it!

A: She (he points upward) wishes me to say...

E: Tell the truth, in the name...!

A: She wishes me to say... that if She, the Great Lady, were still living on earth. She would receive Communion in the mouth, but on her knees, and She would bow deeply, like this (he makes the gesture).

E: In the name of the Blessed Virgin... and of the Thrones, by order of the Thrones, tell the truth!

A: I have to say the Communion must not be received in the hand. The Pope himself gives Communion in the mouth. He does not want Communion to be given in the hand at all. That comes from the Cardinals.

E: In the name..., by order of the Thrones, tell the truth!

A: Then it went to the bishops and they imagined that it was a question of obedience, that they must obey the cardinals. Finally, it came to the priests, and they, in turn, imagined that they had to conform, because obedience is written in very large letters.

E: Tell the truth, you have no right to lie, in the name...!

A: Evil people should not he obeyed. The Pope, Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin are the ones who must he obeyed. Communion in the hand is not at all the will of God.

E: Continue telling the truth, in the name...!

DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN


A: The young must return to being pilgrims (on the road to Heaven). Moreover, they must turn towards the Blessed Virgin. They must not eliminate her. They must... they must know the Blessed Virgin and they must not live according to the spirit of the innovators - absolutely nothing must he accepted from those ones (he shouts furiously). We hold those ones, the wolves - we already have them in our clutches.

E: Continue, tell the truth, in the name...!

A: Nowadays, the young believe they have done wonders when they have accomplished a few charitable works, and when they are all united among themselves. But that is nothing very much - it is often very easy, when they have sympathy one for the other, but that has nothing to do with it. They must start to offer up sacrifices, they must mortify themselves, they must pray; they must go to the Sacraments at least every four weeks. But prayer and suffering are important too. Above all that, I must add...

E: Continue to tell the truth, in the name…! Say what the Blessed Virgin commands you!
IMITATION OF CHRIST

A: ...above all, the world of today, even the Catholic world, has completely lost sight of the truth that suffering for others is necessary. The fact that you are all part of the Mystical Body of Christ, and that you must all suffer for each other, has been completely forgotten (he whimpers wretchedly like a dog). Christ did not accomplish everything on the cross. He certainly opened Heaven up, but men must make reparation for each other. The sects say that Christ has done everything, but this is not true. The Passion of Christ goes on: In His Name, it will go on until the end of the world[9] (he groans).
SENSE OF SUFFERING

E: Continue, in the name of the Blessed Virgin, to say what she commands you to say!

A: It (the Passion of Christ) has to go on. People must suffer for each other, and offer up these sufferings in the name of the Cross of Christ and the sufferings of Christ. You must suffer in union with the Blessed Virgin and all the renunciations she endured during her life in order to unite her own sufferings with the terrible sufferings of Christ on the Cross and in His Agony in the Garden of Olives.

These sufferings were more terrible than men believe. In the Garden of Olives, Christ suffered in ways other than those that you perhaps know about. He was crushed by the Justice of God as if He had been the greatest of sinners, and as if He were going to have to go to Hell. He had to undergo this suffering for you men. Otherwise, you would not have been saved. He had to endure such terrible sufferings, that He was almost on the point of believing that He would go to Hell.[10]

His sufferings were so great that He felt Himself totally abandoned by the Heavenly Father. He sweated blood because He felt Himself totally separated from the Eternal Father and abandoned Him (he weeps piteously). He was crushed as if He were one of the greatest sinners.

This is what He has done for you, and you must follow Him; these sufferings are worth so much; these sufferings, darknesses, these terrible feelings of abandonment when it seems that all is lost and suicide is the only way out... I would rather not say it, no (he sighs heavily).

E: Continue to tell the truth in the name of the Thrones...!

A: God's response is the greatest, and rightly so. When these sufferings make it seem as if all is lost; one feels completely abandoned by God, the least among men and the lowest of creatures. These terrible, terrible sufferings in darkness are the most precious there can he. But the young do not know that. Most of the young do not know that, and therein lies our triumph.

 ACCEPTANCE OF SUFFERING (THE CALL TO SUFFER)

E: Continue to tell the truth, in the name...!

A: Many, the majority who commit suicide, do so when they feel abandoned by God and the least of men. They no longer feel that, however dark the night. God is always near them. It is as if God no longer existed, and, momentarily, His presence is no longer felt by them. But, in spite of this, it is necessary for men to imitate the sufferings of Christ; especially those whom He has called to suffer much.

There are many who believe that they are perhaps no longer normal - but the majority are - so they give in. They give in much too easily; they believe they should kill themselves because they are no longer understood by men. Therein lies our triumph. Most of them go to Heaven,[11] but it is our triumph nevertheless because...

E: Continue, in the name...!

A: ...they have not fulfilled their mission. They should have gone on living.

E: Continue, in the name the message from the Thrones!

A. There are today, somewhere in the world, some extremely heavy crosses - it is She who makes me say that (he points upward). These crosses are often mounted on illness. Visible crosses, like cancer, infirmities, or other handicaps, are often easier to bear than the terrible anguish or darkness of the soul which many people are enduring today. She up there (he points upward) makes me say what She has said before through a privileged soul: “I will send my children sufferings, sufferings as great and as deep as the ocean”. Those people who have to bear these terrible crosses and many are predestined to do so - must not despair.

E: In the name of the Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit - Akabor, say what the Blessed Virgin charges you to say! A: By the way, the crosses of which I have just spoken are crosses which seem to be useless and pointless. They can lead on to despair. Often they become almost insupportable, but that is when they are most precious. I, Akabor, I am forced to say once again: She (he points upward) wants me to shout it to all the cross-bearers: “Courage! Do not be disheartened!” In the Cross lies salvation, victory is in the Cross. The Cross is stronger than the battle.

E: Continue, in the name... the message of the Thrones!

 MODERNISM

A: Modernism is false. Modernism must be totally rejected. It is our work, it comes from hell. Priests who spread Modernism are not even in agreement among themselves. Nobody agrees with anybody else. That indication alone should be enough for you.

E: Continue in the name of the Immaculate Conception! Tell the truth, in the name..., you must speak the whole truth, by order of the Blessed Virgin!

A: The Pope is tormented by his cardinals, his own cardinals... he is surrounded by wolves.

E: Tell the truth, in the name...!

A: If that weren't so, he would be able to speak out more. He is, as it were, paralyzed. He can no longer do very much; believe me, he can no longer do very much you will feel in your hearts what must be done. But, whatever else, in no way must you abandon the smallest scrap of the old faith. I want to say, I must say, that the Second Vatican Council was not very good. It was, in part, the work of Hell.

E: Tell the truth, in the name of the Most Holy Trinity!

 THE HOLY MASS

A: There were a few small things, which needed to be changed, but most of it - no. Believe me! In the liturgy, there was practically nothing to be changed. Even the Gospel reading should not be in the vernacular; it would be better if the Holy Mass were said in Latin. The reason can be seen if you just look at the Consecration, only the Consecration, but that is typical. At the Consecration, one uses the words: “This is My Body which will be given up for you”, followed by: “This is My Blood, which will be shed for you and for a great number”. That is what Jesus said.

E: It is not correct to say “for all”? Tell the truth, in the name... you have no right to lie.

A: It certainly isn't. The translations have not been completely accurate, and this is particularly the case with “for all”.[12] It should not, and cannot, be “for all” - it should be “for a great number”.

When the text is not correct, so the abundance of graces diminishes; the channel of graces still flows, but only sparsely.[13] And the Consecration is accompanied by so many graces when the priest does things correctly, according to the old Tradition, and according to the Will of God. For you and for a great number” must be said, just as Christ Himself said it.

E: But, didn't Christ shed His Blood for all? Tell the truth in the name...!

A: No, He would have liked to shed it for all, but, in fact, it did not flow for all.

E: Because many have rejected it? Tell the truth in the name...!

A: Exactly; in this way it did not flow for all, for it did not flow for us in Hell.

E: Tell the truth, in the name...!

A: The new order of the Mass - the bishops have changed the Tridentine Mass - the new Mass is absolutely not as They up there want it (he points upward). The point will soon be reached when the whole Mass will no longer be valid.[14]

E: How is the Tridentine Mass, the old Mass, which was prescribed by Pope St. Pius V? Tell the truth, in the name... and you have no right to lie!

A: It is the best in existence; it is in the standard, the true,[15] the good Mass (he groans).

E: Akabor, tell the truth, in the name of and by the order of, the Blessed Virgin! We order you to say everything she charges you to say!

A: I said all that against my will, but I was made to! She up there (He points upward) forced me (he mutters).

E: Is there anything more that you must say, in the name..! But speak only the truth!

 OBEDIENCE

A: Many priests make reference to obedience. But now, in these times, it is not necessary to obey modernist bishops. It is now the time of which Christ spoke: “There will rise up many false Christs and false prophets” [16]

Those (modernist bishops) are the false prophets. But one ought not - nor has one the right - to believe them. Soon, one will no longer be able to believe them, because they... because they... have accepted so many novelties. We are in them;[17] we from down there (he points downward) have stirred them up. Prior to that, we deliberated a great deal as to how to destroy the Catholic Mass.

It is over a hundred years ago that Catherine Emmerich said: “It was in Rome...” She saw Rome, the Vatican in a vision. She saw it, surrounded entirely by a deep ditch, and beyond the ditch stood the unbelievers. In the center of Rome, in the Vatican, stood the Catholics. They threw their altars, their statues, their relics - almost everything - into this deep, deep ditch until it was almost filled-up. And that - that time is here now (he cries out in a frightening voice).

Then, when the ditch was filled, those of the other religions were actually able to get across it. They crossed, and looked around in the Vatican. They saw how the Catholics, the Catholics of today and the modern Mass had very little to offer them. They shook their heads, turned their backs and went away. And many from among you Catholics were stupid enough to leave ahead of them. But they did not take one step in your direction. There is something more I must say.

E: Tell the truth, in the name...!
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2011, 04:33:15 AM »

Can you give any Biblical proof of any of this? Because this is a false gospel, from the mouths of demons.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;



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DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN

yep, follow that demon and you will be put in Hell.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

 


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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2011, 05:07:20 AM »

Hmmm, the only ONE I know of that descended into the pits of hell and returned out of it was Jesus Christ.  How is it that this person has done the same?  Jesus Christ is the FIRST & ONLY resurrected at this point in time.
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2011, 05:18:41 AM »

Pretty restrained so far , how long before the catholic is bashed?
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three persons present who believed in the truth of what was set down.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2011, 06:29:33 AM »

Hmmm, the only ONE I know of that descended into the pits of hell and returned out of it was Jesus Christ.  How is it that this person has done the same?  Jesus Christ is the FIRST & ONLY resurrected at this point in time.

Look this .
Believe me. There are several saints (Anne Catherine Emmerich, Sister Josefa , saint magdalena de pazzi ) who have gone down to hell to testify that hell is a real place ( under the earth ) of eternal suffering

The first message received at Fatima was this horrifying vision of Hell:

The first part of the Secret was a horrifying vision of hell "where the souls of poor sinners go" and contained an urgent plea from Our Lady for acts of prayer and sacrifice to save souls  . The Virgin Mary in her apparition at Fatima

In her Memoirs, Sister Lucy (Lucy Dos Santos) describes the vision of hell that Our Lady showed the children at Fátima:

"She opened Her hands once more, as She had done the two previous months. The rays [of light] appeared to penetrate the earth, and we saw, as it were, a vast sea of fire. Plunged in this fire, we saw the demons and the souls [of the damned].
The latter were like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, having human forms. They were floating about in that conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames which issued from within themselves, together with great clouds of smoke. Now they fell back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fright (it must have been this sight which caused me to cry out, as people say they heard me). The demons were distinguished [from the souls of the damned] by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals, black and transparent like burning coals. That vision only lasted for a moment, thanks to our good Heavenly Mother, Who at the first apparition had promised to take us to Heaven. Without that, I think that we would have died of terror and fear."

Sister Josefa Menendez' (1890-1923)
Description of Hell

 

The following material is quoted verbatim from the book "Way of Divine Love" of Sister Josefa Menendez (1890--1923). It first appeared in 1938 in French and was quickly translated into numerous languages and spread throughout the world. Sister Josefa was a Spanish nun of the Society of the Sacred Heart and lived only four years as a religious, at the convent of Les Feuillants in Poitiers, France, where she died at the age of 33. "The Way of Divine Love" consists largely of her notebooks, that she wrote down under obedience from our Lord, with the revelations of his Sacred Heart, plus portions of her biography. This material was composed after Rev. Schouppe wrote his book on Hell. It is appended here, because it is similar to what he wrote in his book, and exemplifies still further the points he is trying to make.

This young Spanish sister, who had a short religious life of great suffering, experienced revelations throughout much of her life, compiled in The Way Of Divine Love. More than once, she was taken to Hell to witness and feel the suffering first-hand. Sister Josefa was reluctant to write on the subject of Hell, and did so only to conform to Our Lord's wishes. Sister Josefa repeatedly dwelt on what she described as the greatest torment of Hell, namely, the soul's inability to love. One of these damned souls cried out: "This is my torture...that I want to love and cannot; there is nothing left me but hatred and despair. If one of us could so much as make a single act of love...But we cannot, we live on hatred and malevolence..." (March 23, 1922).

She records, too, the accusations made against themselves by these unhappy souls: "Some yell because of the martyrdom of their hands. Perhaps they were thieves, for they say: 'Where is our loot now?' ...Cursed hands... Others curse their tongues, their eyes...whatever was the occasion of sin... 'Now, O body, you are paying the price of the delights you granted yourself!...and you did it of your own free will...'"
(April 2, 1922).

"I saw several souls fall into Hell, and among them was a child of fifteen, cursing her parents for not having taught her to fear God nor that there was a Hell. Her life had been a short one, she said, but full of sin, for she had given in to all that her body and passions demanded in the way of satisfaction..." (March 22, 1923).

"My soul fell into abysmal depths, the bottom of which cannot be seen, for it is immense. . . ; Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh. I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns. . . not a finger nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, not change posture, for the body seems flattened out and [yet] doubled in two. Sounds of confusion and blasphemy cease not for an instant. A sickening stench asphyxiates and corrupts everything, it is like the burning of putrefied flesh, mingled with tar and sulfur. . . a mixture to which nothing on earth can be compared. . . although these tortures were terrific, they would be bearable if the soul were at peace. But it suffers indescribably. . . All I have written," she concluded, "is but a shadow of what the soul suffers, for no words can express such dire torment." (September 4, 1922).

"Others curse their tongues, their eyes... whatever was the occasion of their sin... 'Now, O body, you are paying the price of the delights you granted yourself!.. and you did it of your own free will... '" (April 2, 1922). (That is, illegitimate delights).

"It seemed to me that the majority accused themselves of sins of impurity, of stealing, of unjust trading; and that most of the damned are in Hell for these sins." (April 6, 1922).

"I saw many worldly people fall into Hell, and no words can render their horrible and terrifying cries: 'Damned forever... I deceived myself; I am lost... I am here forever... There is no remedy possible... a curse on me...'

"Some accused people, others circumstances, and all execrated the occasions of their damnation." (September 1922).

"Today, I saw a vast number of people fall into the fiery pit . . . they seemed to be worldlings and a demon cried vociferously: 'The world is ripe for me . . . I know that the best way to get hold of souls is to rouse their desire for enjoyment . . . Put me first . . . me before the rest . . . no humility for me! but let me enjoy myself . . . This sort of thing assures victory to me . . . and they tumble headlong into hell.' " (October 4, 1923)

"I heard a demon, from whom a soul had escaped, forced to confess his powerlessness. 'Confound it all... how do so many manage to escape me? They were mine' (and he rattled off their sins)... 'I work hard enough, yet they slip through my fingers... Someone must be suffering and repairing for them.'" (January 15, 1923). ("Repairing," that is, "making reparation" for them).

"Tonight I was transported to a place where all was obscure. . . Around me were seven or eight people; I could see them only by the reflections of the fire. They were seated and were talking together. One said: 'We'll have to be very careful not to be found out, for we might easily be discovered.'

"The devil answered: 'Insinuate yourselves by inducing carelessness in them. . . but keep in the background, so that you are not found out. . . by degrees they will become callous, and you will be able to incline them to evil. Tempt these others to ambition, to self-interest, to acquiring wealth without working, whether it be lawful or not. Excite some to sensuality and love of pleasure. Let vice blind them. . . As to the remainder. . .  get in through the heart . . . you know the inclinations of their hearts. . . make them love. . . love passionately. . . work thoroughly. . .  take no rest . . . have no pity. Let them cram themselves with food! It will make it all the easier for us. . .  Let them get on with their banqueting. Love of pleasure is the door through which you will reach them . . .' " (February 3, 1923).

"Tonight," wrote Josefa, "I did not go down into Hell, but was transported to a place where all was obscure, but in the center was a red smoldering fire. They had laid me flat and so bound me that I could not make the slightest movement. Around me were seven or eight people; their black bodies were unclothed, and I could see them only by the reflections of the fire. They were seated and were talking together.

"One said: 'We'll have to be very careful not to be found out, for we might easily be discovered.'

"The devil answered: 'Insinuate yourselves by inducing carelessness in them... but keep in the background, so that you are not found out... by degrees they will become callous, and you will be able to incline them to evil. Tempt these others to ambition, to self-interest, to acquiring wealth without working, whether it be lawful or not. Excite some to sensuality and love of pleasure. Let vice blind them...' (Here they used obscene words).

"'As to the remainder... get in through the heart... you know the inclinations of their hearts... make them love... love passionately... work thoroughly.. take no rest... have no pity; the world must go to damnation.. and these souls must not be allowed to escape me.'

"From time to time Satan's satellites answered: 'We are your slaves... we shall labor unceasingly, and in spite of the many who war against us, we shall work night and day. We know your power!'

"They all spoke together, and he whom I took to be Satan used words full of horror. In the distance I could hear a clamor as of feasting, the clinking of glasses... and he cried: 'Let them cram themselves with food! It will make it all the easier for us... Let them get on with their banqueting. Love of pleasure is the door through which you will reach them...'

"He added such horrible things that they can neither be written nor said. Then, as if engulfed in a whirl of smoke, they vanished." (February 3, 1923).

"The evil one was bewailing the escape of a soul: 'Fill her soul with fear, drive her to despair. All will be lost if she puts her trust in the mercy of that...' (here they used blasphemous words about Our Lord). 'I am lost; but no, drive her to despair; do not leave her for an instant, above all, make her despair.'

"Then Hell re-echoed with frenzied cries, and when finally the devil cast me out of the abyss, he went on threatening me. Among other things he said: 'Is it possible that such weaklings have more power than I, who am mighty... I must conceal my presence, work in the dark; any corner will do from which to tempt them... close to an ear.. in the leaves of a book... under a bed... some pay no attention to me, but I shall talk and talk... and by dint of suggestion, something will remain.. Yes, I must hide in unsuspected places.'" (February 7, 8, 1923).

Again, she wrote: "Souls were cursing the vocation they had received, but not followed... the vocation they had lost, because they were unwilling to live a hidden and mortified life..." (March 18, 1922.

"On one occasion when I was in Hell, I saw a great many priests, religious and nuns, cursing their vows, their order, their Superiors and everything that could have given them the light and the grace they had lost...

"I saw, too, some prelates. One accused himself of having used the goods belonging to the Church illicitly..." (September 28, 1922).

"Priests were calling down maledictions on their tongues which had consecrated, on their fingers that had held Our Lord's Sacred Body, on the absolution they had given while they were losing their own souls, and on the occasion through which they had fallen into Hell." (April 6, 1922).

"One priest said: 'I ate poison, for I used money that was not my own... the money given me for Masses which I did I not offer.'

"Another said he belonged to a secret society which had betrayed the Church and religion, and he had been bribed to connive at terrible profanations and sacrileges.

"Yet another said that he was damned for assisting at profane plays, after which he ought not to have said Mass... and that he had spent about seven years thus."

Josefa noted that the greater number of religious plunged into hell-fire were there for abominable sins against chastity... and for sins against the vow of poverty... for the unauthorized use of the goods of the community... for passions against charity (jealousy, antipathies, hatred, etc.), for tepidity and relaxation; also for comforts they had allowed themselves and which had led to graver sins... for bad confessions through human respect and want of sincerity and courage, etc.

Here, finally, is the full text of Josefa's notes on "the hell of consecrated souls." (Biography: Ch. VII--September 4, 1922).

"The meditation of the day was on the Particular Judgment of religious souls. I could not free my mind of the thought of it, in spite of the oppression which I felt. Suddenly, I felt myself bound and overwhelmed by a crushing weight, so that in an instant I saw more clearly than ever before how stupendous is the sanctity of God and His detestation of sin.

"I saw in a flash my whole life since my first confession to this day. All was vividly present to me: my sins, the graces I had received, the day I entered religion, my clothing as a novice, my first vows, my spiritual readings, and times of prayer, the advice given me, and all the helps of religious life. Impossible to describe the confusion and shame a soul feels at that moment, when it realizes: 'All is lost, and I am damned forever.'"

As in her former descents into Hell, Josefa never accused herself of any specific sin that might have led to such a calamity. Our Lord meant her only to feel what the consequences would have been, if she had merited such a punishment. She wrote:

"Instantly I found myself in Hell, but not dragged there as before. The soul precipitates itself there, as if to hide from God in order to be free to hate and curse Him.

"My soul fell into abysmal depths, the bottom of which cannot be seen, for it is immense... at once, I heard other souls jeering and rejoicing at seeing me share their torments. It was martyrdom enough to hear the terrible imprecations on all sides, but what can be compared to the thirst to curse that seizes on a soul, and the more one curses, the more one wants to. Never had I felt the like before. Formerly my soul had been oppressed with grief at hearing these horrible blasphemies, though unable to produce even one act of love. But today it was otherwise.

"I saw Hell as always before, the long dark corridors, the cavities, the flames... I heard the same execrations and imprecations, for--and of this I have already written before--although no corporeal forms are visible, the torments are felt as if they were present, and souls recognize each other. Some called out, 'Hullo, you here? And are you like us? We were free to take those vows or not... but no!...' and they cursed their vows.

"Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh."

Here Josefa repeated the multiple tortures from which no single member of the body is excluded:

"I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns... not a finger-nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, nor change posture, for the body seems flattened out and yet doubled in two.

"All this I felt as before, and although those tortures were terrific, they would be bearable if the soul were at peace. But it suffers indescribably. Until now, when I went down into Hell, I thought that I had been damned for abandoning religious life. But this time it was different. I bore a special mark, a sign that I was a religious, a soul who had known and loved God, and there were others who bore the same sign. I cannot say how I recognized it, perhaps because of the specially insulting manner in which the evil spirits and other damned souls treated them. There were many priests there, too. This particular suffering I am unable to explain. It was quite different from what I had experienced at other times, for if the souls of those who lived in the world suffer terribly, infinitely worse are the torments of religious. Unceasingly the three words, Poverty, Chastity and Obedience, are imprinted on the soul with poignant remorse.

"Poverty: You were free and you promised! Why, then, did you seek that comfort? Why hold on to that object which did not belong to you? Why did you give that pleasure to your body? Why allow yourself to dispose of the property of the Community? Did you not know that you no longer had the right to possess anything whatsoever, that you had freely renounced the use of those things?... Why did you murmur when anything was wanting to you, or when you fancied yourself less well treated than others? Why?

"Chastity: You yourself vowed it freely and with full knowledge of its implications... you bound yourself.. you willed it... and how have you observed it? That being so, why did you not remain where it would have been lawful for you to grant yourself pleasures and enjoyment?

"And the tortured soul responds: 'Yes, I vowed it; I was free... I could have not taken the vow, but I took it and I was free...' What words can express the martyrdom of such remorse," wrote Josefa, "and all the time the jibes and insults of other damned souls continue.

"Obedience: Did you not fully engage yourself to obey your Rule and your Superiors? Why, then, did you pass judgment on the orders that were given you? Why did you disobey the Rule? Why did you dispense yourself from common life? Remember how sweet was the Rule... and you would not keep it... and now," vociferate satanic voices, "you will have to obey us not for a day or a year, or a century, but forever and ever; for all eternity... It is your own doing... you were free.

"The soul constantly recalls how she had chosen her God for her Spouse, and that once she loved Him above all things... that for Him she had renounced the most legitimate pleasures and all she held dearest on earth, that in the beginning of her religious life she had felt all the purity, sweetness and strength of this divine love, and that for an inordinate passion... now she must eternally hate the God who had chosen her to love Him.

"This forced hatred is a thirst that consumes her... no past joys can afford her the slightest relief.

"One of her greatest torments is shame," added Josefa. "It seems to her that all the damned surrounding her continually taunt her by saying: 'That we should be lost who never had the helps that you enjoyed is not surprising... but you... what did you lack? You who lived in the palace of the King... who feasted at the board of the elect.'

"All I have written," she concluded, "is but a shadow of what the soul suffers, for no words can express such dire torments." (September 4, 1922).
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The first part of the Secret was a horrifying vision of hell "where the souls of poor sinners go" and contained an urgent plea from Our Lady for acts of prayer and sacrifice to save souls  . The Virgin Mary in her apparition at Fatima

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Only Jesus can save. Salvation is only through his name, and no other.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Notice Jesus says I AM!! He doesent say me and my mom, or me and the demon Queen of Heaven. It is only through Jesus. Everything else is a false gospel spread by devils. The Virgin Mary, Queen of Heaven is a devil, sent to deceive.
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2011, 07:21:56 AM »

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Only Jesus can save. Salvation is only through his name, and no other.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

I AM CATHOLIC

I will not argue with you because everyone has their opinion but the Virgin Mary in Europe is very dear and beloved, ... She truly works miracles. In fact, Padre Pio, one of the greatest saints in heaven, has over 4000 Miracles 

All these visions of hell are real .. Hell is real ... and is forever

Boy Raised from the Dead by St. John Bosco

A fifteen year old boy in Turin was about to die. He called for Don Bosco, but the saint was not able to make it in time. Another priest heard the boy's confession and the boy died. When Don Bosco returned to Turin, he set out at once to see the boy. When told that the boy was dead, he insisted that it was "just a misunderstanding." After a moment of prayer in the room of the dead child, Don Bosco suddenly cried out: "Charles! Rise!" To the utter amazement of all present, the boy stirred, opened his eyes, and sat up. Seeing Don Bosco, his eyes lit up.

"Father, I should now be in Hell!" gasped the boy. "Two weeks ago I was with a bad companion who led me into sin and at my last confession, I was afraid to tell everything . . . Oh, I've just come out of a horrible dream! I dreamt I was standing on the edge of a huge furnace surrounded by a horde of devils. They were about to throw me into the flames when a beautiful Lady appeared and stopped them. 'There's still hope for you, Charles,' she told me. 'You have not yet been judged!' At that moment I heard you calling me. Oh, Don Bosco! What a joy to see you again! Will you please hear my confession?"

After hearing the boy's confession, Don Bosco said to the boy, "Charles, now that the gates of Heaven lie wide open for you, would you rather go there or stay here with us?" The boy looked away for a moment and his eyes grew moist with tears. An expectant hush fell over the room. "Don Bosco", he said at last, "I'd rather go to Heaven." The mourners watched in amazement as Charles leaned back on the pillows, closed his eyes, and settled once more into the stillness of death.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2011, 07:30:57 AM »

I AM CATHOLIC

I will not argue with you because everyone has their opinion but the Virgin Mary in Europe is very dear and beloved, ... She truly works miracles. In fact, Padre Pio, one of the greatest saints in heaven, has over 4000 Miracles 

All these visions of hell are real .. Hell is real ... and is forever

Boy Raised from the Dead by St. John Bosco

A fifteen year old boy in Turin was about to die. He called for Don Bosco, but the saint was not able to make it in time. Another priest heard the boy's confession and the boy died. When Don Bosco returned to Turin, he set out at once to see the boy. When told that the boy was dead, he insisted that it was "just a misunderstanding." After a moment of prayer in the room of the dead child, Don Bosco suddenly cried out: "Charles! Rise!" To the utter amazement of all present, the boy stirred, opened his eyes, and sat up. Seeing Don Bosco, his eyes lit up.

"Father, I should now be in Hell!" gasped the boy. "Two weeks ago I was with a bad companion who led me into sin and at my last confession, I was afraid to tell everything . . . Oh, I've just come out of a horrible dream! I dreamt I was standing on the edge of a huge furnace surrounded by a horde of devils. They were about to throw me into the flames when a beautiful Lady appeared and stopped them. 'There's still hope for you, Charles,' she told me. 'You have not yet been judged!' At that moment I heard you calling me. Oh, Don Bosco! What a joy to see you again! Will you please hear my confession?"

After hearing the boy's confession, Don Bosco said to the boy, "Charles, now that the gates of Heaven lie wide open for you, would you rather go there or stay here with us?" The boy looked away for a moment and his eyes grew moist with tears. An expectant hush fell over the room. "Don Bosco", he said at last, "I'd rather go to Heaven." The mourners watched in amazement as Charles leaned back on the pillows, closed his eyes, and settled once more into the stillness of death.

The Virgin Mary? There is no Virgin Mary! Mary had a whole bunch of kids after Jesus. Shes not a God, she is dead.

Why Is Mary Crying?
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You are being lied to and deceived by demons!!! Read the Bible! Gods very words, and it will show you just how you are being deceived by devils in disguise.
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2011, 07:38:16 AM »

Please read this free book and try to answer the questions in it. Please learn just how you are being deceived by Babylon.

Understanding Roman Catholicism
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2011, 09:01:02 AM »

The Virgin Mary? There is no Virgin Mary! Mary had a whole bunch of kids after Jesus. Shes not a God, she is dead.

Why Is Mary Crying?
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp

You are being lied to and deceived by demons!!! Read the Bible! Gods very words, and it will show you just how you are being deceived by devils in disguise.

I ask that you please do not go down that road .. You're offending my mother in Heaven .Simple like that

Mary is VIRGIN .. I am Catholic, not Protestant ...
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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2011, 09:16:01 AM »

you are offending your father in heaven

Matthew 23:8-11, "But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.  Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.  But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant."
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2011, 09:24:23 AM »

I ask that you please do not go down that road .. You're offending my mother in Heaven .Simple like that

Mary is VIRGIN .. I am Catholic, not Protestant ...

Maybe you should actually read what the Bible says, im quite sure it is going to offend every belief you have.

Mary had a whole bunch of kids after Jesus was born. Joseph knew her, alot. at least 7 kids AFTER Jesus. She was not and is not a perpetual virgin. Its in the BIBLE plain as day. try reading it, please.

Their is only one that can save you and that is Jesus himself, not Jesus and his mom. You have fallen for the lie of Babylon,

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 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

 2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

 4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2011, 09:25:56 AM »

The Virgin Mary? There is no Virgin Mary! Mary had a whole bunch of kids after Jesus. Shes not a God, she is dead.

Why Is Mary Crying?
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0040/0040_01.asp

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Matthew 13:53-56

 53And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.

 54And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

 55Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

 56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2011, 09:39:28 AM »

Matthew 13:53-56

 53And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence.

 54And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

 55Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

 56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

exactly, Mary was not a perpetual Virgin, that is a lie of the Catholic church being used to suplant Jesus for the demon Queen of Heaven.

I just want to reiterate here.

John 2:12 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.

 
He= Jesus
And his mother= Mary the mother of Jesus
And his brethren= These are his siblings. Siblings means brothers and sisters
And his disciples= these are his followers.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2011, 06:16:25 AM »

No discussion. We have different beliefs .. I believe in the virgin mary because I am Catholic

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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2011, 06:24:39 AM »

No discussion. We have different beliefs .. I believe in the virgin mary because I am Catholic



Sorry to hear that. May God have mercy on your soul. May God in heaven forgive you because your really don't know what your doing!


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