* NEWS ALERT: Republicans move to make Patriot Act Permanent? Gotta be kidding!

[jofortruth]

Jane Harman says Patriot Act extension passed, but it didn't
http://fluentnews.com/s/26450143


Another clueless Congressman? Wasn't she there? Oh yes, and she voted YES!  

[citizenx]

Jane Harman says Patriot Act extension passed, but it didn't
http://fluentnews.com/s/26450143


Another clueless Congressman? Wasn't she there? Oh yes, and she voted YES!  

Good riddance to that dingbat.

So long to the Wicked Witch of AIPAC.

[Protean]

Maybe they don't need Patriot Act anymore, with ObamaCare, and all those nasty laws buried in those zillion pages, they can kill us off or throw us in prison.
 

[citizenx]

They tried to co-opt it, the globalists, but some of those new congresspeople carried in by the Tea Party helped to defeat this thing (in fairness).

What is left of it that Murdock, Beck and Palin haven't corrupted should be defended and supported IMO along with the original intentions of the founders, like Ron Paul.

I think we are finally seeing a Tea Party dividend of sorts, a small victory (perhaps) but at least one in the win column.  One battle won, even if the war is still ongoing (the "infowar").

I think at least some of these new congresspeople are good eggs.  Time will tell.

[Georgiacopguy]

The Faux news cronies just were gloating about how they will still have to vote one more time before it sunsets, and all they will need is a simple majority. They were also talking trash about those who down-voted it yesterday

[citizenx]

As I understand it, the next battle on it will be in December.  I guess they have until then to false-flag us one more time --into submission.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/02/08/house-defeats-bill-extending-patriot-act-provisions-until-december/?iref=allsearch

[jofortruth]

Hijacked part of the Tea Party Voted "Yes" and if these people are your Representatives, you need to educate them as to why they should have voted NO
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=1215&st=25#entry5352532

[citizenx]

OK, but we need to really get beind the nine Tea Party members who WERE part of the 24 swing votes from the Republicna side that helped to defeat this measure, and some credit does need to go to the members on the othere side of the aisle IMO.  I still don;t understand why the majority of the Republican caucus continues to support the Patriot Act.

Well, really, I do sort of, but the "logic" is mind-boggling and depressing to think about.

But you are right most of the Tea Party members did not vote "No", though nine new Tea Party caucus membres were key to defeating it.  That is the whole story.

Good point.  The Tea Party remains utterly co-opted, and it is a great shame.  Shame on the 43 members of the Tea Party Caucus that voted "Yes" with the slithering neocons.

[jofortruth]

Yes, we must support the nine who did the right thing. If we can keep them on our side, they can be a force to reckon with in the House.

There are also other new members who voted the right way. If they are consistent going forward, we must support them also. Time will tell, so watch them closely:

Amash MI
Hultgren IL
Labrador ID
Schilling IL
Schweikert AZ
Fitzpatrick PA
Gibson NY
Wilson FL
Woodall GA

[citizenx]

I'm glad there is at least one from Michigan.  My home state.

[jofortruth]

Patriot Act is Back - Going to try to ram it through in another vote today it appears!    
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=200853.0

[America2]

So if I understand this correctly, Boehner has BLOCKED CSPAN cameras from the House legislation now?

[jofortruth]

So if I understand this correctly, Boehner has BLOCKED CSPAN cameras from the House legislation now?

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=8914&st=0&

And so did many of the previous Speakers' of the House!     

[Geolibertarian]

http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=8914&st=0&

And so did many of the previous Speakers' of the House!    

Cockroaches prefer the dark.

[Anti_Illuminati]

[America2]

So what's the deal, when will they make a final vote on this?

[independentWV]

So what's the deal, when will they make a final vote on this?

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/143341-house-passes-patriot-act-rule-clears-way-for-passage

[America2]

Buckle up, everyone, 2011 could very well be one wild ride.

But OTOH, the Green Bay Packers won the SUPER BOWL, so I guess everything won't be as bad as they seem, right?

[jofortruth]

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/143341-house-passes-patriot-act-rule-clears-way-for-passage

The House could take up the Patriot Act extension bill as early as Friday. The Senate is expected to take up the Patriot Act next week, but is looking at bills that would extend the three surveillance authorities for at least three years.

[bigron]

Ron Paul slams Patriot Act, backers drown out jeers at conference


By Shane D'Aprile - 02/11/11 04:47 PM ET
 
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) elicited the loudest reaction of any speaker so far at the Conservative Political Action Conference on Friday, with a throng of raucous supporters drowning out audible boos emanating from the CPAC crowd.

Paul didn't disappoint, offering a fiery speech that took on the Patriot Act and military spending and lamented bipartisanship in Washington.

MORE

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/143605-ron-paul-slams-patriot-act-backers-drown-out-jeers-at-cpac

[bigron]

Weekend Edition
February 11 - 13, 2011
http://www.counterpunch.org/brasch02112011.html

An Unconstitutional Continuity

Obama and the Patriot Act

By WALTER BRASCH

The U.S. House of Representatives this week did something it should have done years ago—it blocked the continuation of three of the more controversial parts of the PATRIOT Act. The vote was 277–148 to continue the Act, but a 2/3 majority (284 of those voting) was necessary for the bill to move forward. The PATRIOT Act sections are scheduled to expire Feb. 28 unless further action is taken by Congress.

The Republican leadership had placed the bill on an expedited agenda, believing it had the necessary votes. It didn't count on a loose coalition of liberals and extreme conservatives to oppose the Act. Twenty-six Republicans, including seven who are allied with the Tea Party, voted against the bill. Had those seven Tea Party members voted for the continuation, the bill would have passed.

The PATRIOT Act was passed about six weeks after the 9/11 attacks. The 342-page bill was drafted in secret by the Bush Administration, had minimal discussion, and most members of Congress hadn't even read it when they voted for it. Only one of 100 senators and 66 of 435 representatives voted against it, claiming that it sacrificed Constitutional protections in order to give Americans a false sense of security. Most of the Act is non-controversial, an umbrella for previous federal law; the controversial parts taint the entire document.

The PATRIOT Act's "sunset" clause required 16 of the most controversial parts to expire unless Congress renewed them before December 31, 2005. However, in July 2005, Congress voted to extend the entire law.

The PATRIOT Act butts against the protections of six Constitutional amendments: the 1st (freedom of religion, speech, press, and assembly, and the right to petition the government for a redress of grievances), 4th (freedom from unreasonable searches), 5th (right against self-incrimination and due process), 6th (due process, the right to counsel, a speedy trial, and the right to a fair and public trial by an impartial jury), 8th (reasonable bail and freedom from cruel and unusual punishment), and 14th (equal protection guarantee for both citizens and non-citizens).

The PATRIOT Act also violates Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution, which guarantees the right to petition the courts to issue a writ of habeas corpus to require the government to produce a prisoner or suspect in order to determine the legality of the detention. Only Congress may order a suspension of the right of the writ, and then only in "Cases of Rebellion or Invasion." Congress did not suspend this right; nothing during or subsequent to the 9/11 attack indicated either a rebellion or invasion under terms of the Constitution.

Among the provisions of the PATRIOT Act, which 277 House members apparently believe is necessary for American security, is Section 215, which allows the government to seize all library records of any individual. Apparently, the government believes that reading is just another part of a wide terrorist conspiracy. A white-haired grandmother who checks out murder mysteries from the library could be a serial killer, according to the government's logic.

Several federal court cases, including decisions by the Supreme Court, with most of its members politically conservative, ruled that provisions of the PATRIOT Act are unconstitutional. Implementation of those rulings are slow or under appeal.

Among organizations that oppose the PATRIOT Act are the ACLU, American Bar Association, American Booksellers Association, American Library Association, and the National Council of Churches. Among liberals who have led opposition to the Act are Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.) and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio). Among conservatives opposing the Act are former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.), former Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.), who had been a U.S. attorney, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Tex) and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.). Among conservative organizations that oppose the PATRIOT Act are the American Conservative Union, Free Congress Foundation, and the Second Amendment Foundation.

MORE

http://www.counterpunch.org/brasch02112011.html

[jofortruth]

Yes, we must support the nine who did the right thing. If we can keep them on our side, they can be a force to reckon with in the House.

There are also other new members who voted the right way. If they are consistent going forward, we must support them also. Time will tell, so watch them closely:

Amash MI
Hultgren IL
Labrador ID
Schilling IL
Schweikert AZ
Fitzpatrick PA
Gibson NY
Wilson FL
Woodall GA

Of these new Republican Reps, all but two changed their vote to Yes on H. Res. 79  (2nd vote taken after the bill was rejected. If these guys are your Reps, they need to be asked who got them to change their vote)

Only three did the right thing, and voted NO again:

Labrador Idaho
Gibson New York
Wilson Florida

The others are already showing they are inconsistent, and / or can be influenced. Neither is acceptable for a new Rep to Congress. Let them hear from you!

House phone numbers:
http://clerk.house.gov/member_info/TTD-112.pdf


This type of inconsistency, among other problems, is why so many were sent home in the last election. These boyz need to be reprimanded or at least asked why they are not being consistent THIS EARLY IN THEIR TENTURE AS A NEW REPRESENTATIVE. HOLD THEIR FEET TO THE FIRE NOW, OR YOU WILL LOSE THEM FOR THEIR ENTIRE TERM, IMO!

[jofortruth]

THE VOTES: See for yourself:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll026.xml
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll029.xml

[jofortruth]

Patriot Act - Background to Present
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNSjydA7pAE

[bigron]

House Votes to Extend Patriot Act for Nine Months

Bill Still Needs to Be Reconciled With Senate Version

by Jason Ditz, February 14, 2011

The House of Representatives’ failed attempt to “fast track” the extension of the Patriot Act failed last week for lack of a supermajority, but was still able to pass readily in the normal manner today, with much the same voting as the last time.

MORE

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/02/14/house-votes-to-extend-patriot-act-for-nine-months/

[Rebelitarian]

Nullify at the state level when you get the chance.

[JT Coyoté]

Does this make anyone here want to grab the phone and call their federal and state Rep/Sens and ream their asses with the facts... I wonder...

Oldyoti

"Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss
of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions
against danger, real or pretended, from abroad."
~James Madison

[Rebelitarian]

Big surprise the TEA-publicans have betrayed their base.      Like no one saw that coming.     Anyway the Globalists in Washington are way behind in their agenda and are getting desperate.

Fight it on the state levels folks.

[Geolibertarian]

Greasy, ugly, evil, cowardly, snakes in the grass!!

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but we have lesser evil voters to thank for this!

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150

Until and unless they stop mindlessly falling for the "wasted vote" argument, it will continue to be business as usual for the robber barons who own and control both major parties -- and hence our government.

This is why our unified message to the electorate must be:

"From now on, either vote for your 3rd party or independent candidate of choice, or don't vote at all!"

[JT Coyoté]

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but we have lesser evil voters to thank for this!

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=81509.msg959150#msg959150

Until and unless they stop mindlessly falling for the "wasted vote" argument, it will continue to be business as usual for the robber barons who own and control both major parties -- and hence our government.

This is why our unified message to the electorate must be:

"From now on, either vote for your 3rd party or independent candidate of choice, or don't vote at all!"

In a republic you vote every chance you get by letter, phone, fax, and email on every issue of interest... the American people are asleep at the switch and the train of Liberty is about to derail due to this popular negligence.

JTCoyoté

"The people are the only legitimate fountain of
power, and it is from them that the constitutional
charter, under which the several branches of
government hold their power, is derived."
~James Madison

[EvadingGrid]

"From now on, either vote for your 3rd party or independent candidate of choice, or don't vote at all!"

 

[Geolibertarian]

In a republic you vote every chance you get by letter, phone, fax, and email on every issue of interest... the American people are asleep at the switch and the train of Liberty is about to derail due to this popular negligence.

Because of Soviet-style ballot access barriers, in all-too-many "elections" the only candidates people have to "choose" from are an establishment Democrat and an establishment Republican.

So if you passionately oppose policies A, B and C, and the two candidates from which you're being asked to "choose" both support those policies, then how is it an act of "negligence" to refrain from voting for the very things you most oppose?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that those who continually vote against their own beliefs are the ones being negligent of their responsibilities as citizens?

"Would the essence of slavery change if the rules at a slave auction permitted a slave to choose between the two highest bidders for himself? Could the fact that he made such a choice be interpreted as his sanction for his chains? How can it be argued that the citizen is free in a democracy when he has the choice of two candidates if neither candidate is willing to recognize his right to freedom?"

-- James Bovard, Freedom In Chains, p. 132

"In politics a person is not a citizen if the person's only function is to vote. Voters choose people who, in turn, act like citizens. They argue. They establish the forms within which people live their lives. They make politics. The people who merely vote for them merely make politicians. People who argue for their positions in a town meeting are acting like citizens. People who simply drop scraps of paper in a box or pull a lever are not acting like citizens; they are acting like consumers picking between prepackaged items. They had nothing to do with the items. All they can do is pick what is. They cannot actively participate in making what should be."

-- Karl Hess, Community Technology, p. 10

[JT Coyoté]

Not actually... there is no formula... when will they have control of that party too as well.... the best method is to vote for the most constitutional candidate with the highest moral character...

... then openly ride his ass on the issues every chance you get... publish them here for all to see... only secret societies have secret votes... Kennedy in his first speech to the press said secrecy is repugnant... and fear of reprisal is the only thing secrecy breeds... it is not who you vote for, it is how often you contact them to protect your vote!

American Apath-ocracy

JTCoyoté

"The truth is that all men having power
ought to be mistrusted." ~James Madison

[Rebelitarian]

Because of Soviet-style ballot access barriers, in all-too-many "elections" the only candidates people have to "choose" from are an establishment Democrat and an establishment Republican.

So if you passionately oppose policies A, B and C, and the two candidates from which you're being asked to "choose" both support those policies, then how is it an act of "negligence" to refrain from voting for the very things you most oppose?

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that those who continually vote against their own beliefs are the ones being negligent of their responsibilities as citizens?

"Would the essence of slavery change if the rules at a slave auction permitted a slave to choose between the two highest bidders for himself? Could the fact that he made such a choice be interpreted as his sanction for his chains? How can it be argued that the citizen is free in a democracy when he has the choice of two candidates if neither candidate is willing to recognize his right to freedom?"

-- James Bovard, Freedom In Chains, p. 132

"In politics a person is not a citizen if the person's only function is to vote. Voters choose people who, in turn, act like citizens. They argue. They establish the forms within which people live their lives. They make politics. The people who merely vote for them merely make politicians. People who argue for their positions in a town meeting are acting like citizens. People who simply drop scraps of paper in a box or pull a lever are not acting like citizens; they are acting like consumers picking between prepackaged items. They had nothing to do with the items. All they can do is pick what is. They cannot actively participate in making what should be."

-- Karl Hess, Community Technology, p. 10

Exactly.

Of course what I tell people is...

"Are you truly being represented when the person you vote for betrays you on every issue you personally stand for ?  That, my friend, is the truly wasted vote."  -Rebelitarian-

[JT Coyoté]

Exactly.

Of course what I tell people is...

"Are you truly being represented when the person you vote for betrays you on every issue you personally stand for ?  That, my friend, is the truly wasted vote."  -Rebelitarian-

If you don't make him aware of your position by constant contact, how can he know your position... or your ability to produce numbers of folks to vote against him should he fail to heed your constitutional will... Contact is Key!

JTCoyoté

"To suppose that any form of government will
secure liberty or happiness without any virtue in
the people, is a chimerical idea."
~James Madison

[Rebelitarian]

Agreed.   

[Geolibertarian]

it is not who you vote for, it is how often you contact them to protect your vote!

But if, in the name of not "wasting" your vote on someone who "can't win," you vote for a candidate who openly supports the very policies you most oppose, and you call him months later to complain about his refusal to change those policies, then he can correctly say to you that you're getting exactly what you voted for, and that you therefore have no rightful business demanding that he do the opposite of what he said he would do during the campaign.

That said, I, of course, agree that people must stop treating politics as just another spectator sport and start exerting non-stop pressure on whoever's in office if they hope to have any chance of changing things for the better in their lifetimes.

That's precisely why I created the following two threads:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0
       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=198869.0

[JT Coyoté]

But if, in the name of not "wasting" your vote on someone who "can't win," you vote for a candidate who openly supports the very policies you most oppose, and you call him months later to complain about his refusal to change those policies, then he can correctly say to you that you're getting exactly what you voted for, and that you therefore have no rightful business demanding that he do the opposite of what he said he would do during the campaign.

That said, I, of course, agree that people must stop treating politics as just another spectator sport and start exerting non-stop pressure on whoever's in office if they hope to have any chance of changing things for the better in their lifetimes.

That's precisely why I created the following two threads:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0
       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=198869.0

This is precisely why it is important that you vote on the basis of constitutional savvy and moral character, regardless of party, or what the media or local left-right, rep/dem naysayer-talking-head touting the old "lesser of two evils" diatribe, says.

The point is that the people as a whole are negligent in "herding" their elected and entrusted representatives a healthy direction. Namely, the direction we/they should be taking the country... CONSTITUTIONALLY.

Politicians will be politicians, potential scoundrels all and the people have forgotten that fact.  Complaining on a forum about political shenanigans would be better served if cut and pasted and sent to the in-boxes of elected and unelected representatives, the latter being corporate lobbyists... I do this regularly, do y'all?  

Our representatives are ours to command, thus the founders made them the point of praise and or ridicule... I remind them of this weekly, and even tell them true stories of parties where the center of the fest was the rightful "tar and feathering" of a crooked and deceitful elected official...

As long as the majority of the people believe that the ballot box is their only vote or say in government, and do not directly communicate regularly with their Representatives, things will not get better, only worse.

Oldyoti

"Whenever there is an interest and power to
do wrong, wrong will generally be done, and not
less readily by a powerful and interested party
than by a powerful and interested prince."
~James Madison to Jefferson in 1788

[egypt]

Well, we knew this was coming on the heels of "extension."   On that note, Michelle Bachmann needs to be let know that it didn't go unnoticed that she is a traitor. <indeed, every single one who voted for extension who was newly-elected>

Michelle Bachmann is the head Tea Party Caucus !.  There is no excuse, I don't care what she says, for voting to extend the Patriot Act.  She needs to be called on the carpet for this.  If she is so incompetent,and unknowing about basic politics, she needs to step down.  She needs to be let known, that she's not squirming out of this one!

Fax website that is free: http://www.myfax.com/free/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Here is the contact information for Michele Bachmann.  The following is from: http://bachmann.house.gov/Contact/

Washington D.C. Office
103 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-2331
Fax: (202) 225-6475

Woodbury Office
6043 Hudson Rd, Suite 330
Woodbury, MN 55125
Phone: 651-731-5400
Fax: 651-731-6650

St. Cloud/Waite Park Office
110 2nd Street S, Suite 232
Waite Park, MN 56387
Phone: 320-253-5931
Fax: 320-240-6905

[jofortruth]

A man of principle, votes for a man of principle, and from an informed stance!

A clueless person will vote for whoever the media tells them can win, never realizing the media is manipulating them to vote for a certain person!

TO THE PUBLIC:  Are you a clueless manipulated type, or an informed man of principle?