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« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2011, 04:55:38 PM » |
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62. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
That is from the first half of the second sura in the Koran -- right after the sort-of introductory sura (a very brief one).
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« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2011, 05:23:33 PM » |
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finally one Muslim is here.
lets hope its not too late.
maybe i can answer some of your questions.
i live in India, age 30, born in a Shia family.
yes, it is true that Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus (Isa) p.b.u.h. was raised to heaven alive by God. It is also believed that someone was crucified at his place. Now who it was, is not clear. But surely Prophet Jesus p.b.u.h. is still alive and that is why there will be a second coming. It would be a time of great chaos and testing when he will come and aid Imam Mahdi in fighting Dajjal (Satanic man whom you call Antichrist) and eventually will kill him, uniting the humanity (all of us) under one banner(1). Then would be the best of days humanity has ever seen. And finally Prophet Jesus p.b.u.h. will depart from the world.
(1) Now Muslims may say that this banner will be Islam. Others may say it would be their religion. This is only because we stand divided and just consider our faith to be perfect and infallible. Not only that, we consider others as gullible. We have made religion a means to differentiate amongst each other and to spread hatred. We do not follow our religion but we have so much pride, in fact arrogance, just for being a Christian or Jew or Muslim or... that religion only satiates our ego and not our self or conscience. In my opinion this banner will be of Believers and nothing more.
Now its time to sleep will continue tomorrow.
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« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2011, 06:09:50 PM » |
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shiism is islamoidism, i.e. a complete whack job from its inception. Which does not exclude the fact that Sunnism has not been hijacked throughout history. If anyone really needs a proof of this fact, they need to look at no other place than the very birthplace of islam, where the agents of rothschild are pursuing the hijacking of islam. In this perspective, both sunni and shiite islam today are tools of control by thievers and deceivers.
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« Reply #84 on: July 13, 2011, 01:28:39 AM » |
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AscensionMain article: Islamic view of Jesus' death
Persian miniature of Jesus (Isa) of Sermon on the MountIslamic texts categorically deny the idea of crucifixion or death attributed to Jesus by the Bible.[5][18] The Qur'an states that people (i.e., the Jews and Romans) sought to kill Jesus, but they did not crucify nor kill him, although "this was made to appear to them." Traditionalists believe that Jesus was not crucified but instead, he was raised up by God unto the heavens. This "raising" is understood to mean through bodily ascension.
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto the himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise.[Qur'an 4:157158]
According to some Muslim traditions, Jesus may have been replaced by someone who resembled him, or by one of the people that was about to crucify him; others suggest it may have been Simon of Cyrene, or one of the disciples such as Judas Iscariot. These theories, however, are not based on any textual evidences and are not found anywhere in the Qur'an.
The crucifixion interpretation, however, was rejected, and according to the Encyclopedia of Islam, there has been unanimous agreement amongst Islamic scholars in denying the crucifixion.[19] Modern commentators such as M. Hayek interpret the verse to say that the crucifixion "seemed thus to them" [i.e. the Jews].[5]
@ CX - MAYBE this was meant in a "figurative" way, as in his soul was eternal or that his beliefs clearly withstood his mortal demise?
I am kind of suprised we do not have many muslim members . . . maybe the "bible thumping" threads puts them off.
Me - Agnostic. I have no idea but i am interested in what others believe.
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« Reply #85 on: July 13, 2011, 02:04:02 AM » |
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finally one Muslim is here.
lets hope its not too late.
maybe i can answer some of your questions.
i live in India, age 30, born in a Shia family.
yes, it is true that Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus (Isa) p.b.u.h. was raised to heaven alive by God. It is also believed that someone was crucified at his place. Now who it was, is not clear. But surely Prophet Jesus p.b.u.h. is still alive and that is why there will be a second coming. It would be a time of great chaos and testing when he will come and aid Imam Mahdi in fighting Dajjal (Satanic man whom you call Antichrist) and eventually will kill him, uniting the humanity (all of us) under one banner(1). Then would be the best of days humanity has ever seen. And finally Prophet Jesus p.b.u.h. will depart from the world.
(1) Now Muslims may say that this banner will be Islam. Others may say it would be their religion. This is only because we stand divided and just consider our faith to be perfect and infallible. Not only that, we consider others as gullible. We have made religion a means to differentiate amongst each other and to spread hatred. We do not follow our religion but we have so much pride, in fact arrogance, just for being a Christian or Jew or Muslim or... that religion only satiates our ego and not our self or conscience. In my opinion this banner will be of Believers and nothing more.
Now its time to sleep will continue tomorrow.
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« Reply #86 on: July 13, 2011, 03:57:50 PM » |
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Welcome aboard!
Thanks. I have been on this forum for (i think) 2 years now. I actively read posts but do not post as people here are loaded with information, and i find myself a little less informed. |
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« Reply #87 on: July 13, 2011, 04:21:14 PM » |
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I do not understand what is the problem if Muslims call God "Allah". Its just a name for The God in Arabic with which humans can call him. I don't think anybody think God has a name, and that we can call him by no other name. Maybe i am wrong, and there are some people believing it. Please let me know.
In Quran many names of God are mentioned. Actually they are His attributes. And it is also mentioned that you can call God by whatever name you like but it must be a good name.
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« Reply #88 on: July 13, 2011, 04:32:52 PM » |
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Hi Eyeopener, I'm just curious if you have ever read the bible, seeing that muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and a good man
do you believe the words of Jesus in the bible are truly his or do you believe the bible is totally fraudulent?
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« Reply #89 on: July 13, 2011, 04:58:32 PM » |
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shiism is islamoidism, i.e. a complete whack job from its inception. Which does not exclude the fact that Sunnism has not been hijacked throughout history. If anyone really needs a proof of this fact, they need to look at no other place than the very birthplace of islam, where the agents of rothschild are pursuing the hijacking of islam. In this perspective, both sunni and shiite islam today are tools of control by thievers and deceivers.
shiism is islamoidism, i.e. a complete whack job from its inception. What is this? First of all i am an independent Muslim i.e. i don't follow blindly anybody's views on Islam or on anything else without testing it in my mind. If it passes the test then so be it if it fails then so be it. And that was why God provided us with the ability to choose. And do not ever believe that all the people in a religion or in a sect of a religion have the same faith or character or knowledge or judgment so as to hold the same view. In fact it is almost impossible to find even two people in this whole world who have the same views over everything. So one cannot generalize somebody as a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or a... And if rulers of some Muslim countries are agents of rothschild, Islam or Muslims in general should not be blamed. And going by your logic it seems that in every perspective, all things in this world today are tools of control by thievers and deceivers. One thing that i am sure of is this that all who are trying to sow hatred between people are tools of control by thievers and deceivers. |
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« Reply #90 on: July 13, 2011, 05:06:11 PM » |
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Hi Eyeopener, I'm just curious if you have ever read the bible, seeing that muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and a good man
do you believe the words of Jesus in the bible are truly his or do you believe the bible is totally fraudulent?
Hello. yes, i have read bible but only some parts of it. yes, Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus p.b.u.h. was one of the most important prophet like Prophet Mohammad p.b.u.h. And we love him at least as much as the Christians do. And we hold him in high regards at least as much as the Christians do. |
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« Reply #91 on: July 13, 2011, 05:09:50 PM » |
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Hi Eyeopener, I'm just curious if you have ever read the bible, seeing that muslims believe Jesus was a prophet and a good man
do you believe the words of Jesus in the bible are truly his or do you believe the bible is totally fraudulent?
Regarding bible it is our belief that parts of it is God's word but not whole. I will continue on this tomorrow if God wills. |
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« Reply #92 on: July 13, 2011, 06:54:56 PM » |
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shiism is islamoidism, i.e. a complete whack job from its inception. Which does not exclude the fact that Sunnism has not been hijacked throughout history. If anyone really needs a proof of this fact, they need to look at no other place than the very birthplace of islam, where the agents of rothschild are pursuing the hijacking of islam. In this perspective, both sunni and shiite islam today are tools of control by thievers and deceivers.
Let's see... First sentence...racist bullshit Second sentence...broad exaggeration Third place...Rothschilds/Rockefellers/other Committee of 300 assholes are pursuing the hijacking of all monotheistic religions Forth place...concluding racist bullshit based on a foundation of racist bullshit, exaggerated fuzzy logic, and inability to see a broad picture. Sunni and Shiites are over 99% for the positive progress of humanity just like christians, jews, etc. The elite psycho scumbags wouldn't need nanotech and the rise of the machines if this was not true. |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2012, 07:29:34 PM » |
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Dig, in all sincerity I can not escape the fact the elites historically and presently use the religion card.
It allows them to manipulate, create wars, genocide, and prepetuate controll. If I'm nuts, please explain.
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